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Mark Waid is Irredeemable, BOOM! is apparently crazy

BOOM! Studios has pulled back the curtain to reveal what is all about, as the site is now sporting an animated gif that reveals a new comic called Irredeemable by Mark Waid and Peter Krause:

Mark Waid is Irredeemable

Mark Waid is Irredeemable

You might remember back during San Diego, Waid asked fans to let him know what kind of comics they’d like to see from him. Earlier this month I interviewed Chip Mosher, BOOM! Studios’ sales and marketing guy, and when I asked him what genres people had suggested, he said:

Basically the fans came back with every genre you could think of. You know the success of BOOM! stems from us doing what other companies don’t. We do high-concept genre books that exist somewhere between the Big Two and the indie art comics scene. It’s a space that we just flat own. And I think that’s part of the genius of Ross and Andy’s original vision for BOOM! You know, why would you want to do an ongoing superhero comic and compete with the Big Two? They are experts at that. They do that every day. You’d be crazy to compete with that. Which is why what we do at BOOM! works so well. They don’t do what we do. We don’t do what they do.

So I guess this makes them crazy? Although having Waid write superheroes — or villains, it appears in this case — isn’t what I’d call crazy. Especially with John Cassaday doing the cover.

Update: BOOM! sent out a press release and artwork from the book tonight, which you can find after the break …

Brace yourselves for a comic industry event: BOOM! Studios presents a new monthly ongoing superhero series from Mark Waid – IRREDEEMABLE!

With IRREDEEMABLE, Mark Waid dares to ask the question: what if the world’s greatest hero decided to become the world’s greatest villain? IRREDEEMABLE is a “twilight of the superheroes”-style story from the writer of KINGDOM COME and EMPIRE!

IRREDEEMABLE #1 will feature variant covers by John Cassaday (ASTONISHING X-MEN, PLANETARY) and Barry Kitson (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN) in a 75/25 split. The first twelve issues of the series will feature incentive covers by hot newcomer Jeffrey Spokes that will spell out I-R-R-E-D-E-E-M-A-B-L-E! The first issue incentive cover will be a special 1-in-50 rarity with every copy signed by Mark Waid. IRREDEEMABLE issue #1 will also feature a special afterword by Grant Morrison.

Peter (POWER OF SHAZAM) Krause has committed to doing the interiors for the first twelve issues.

“In superhero comics, pretty much everyone who’s called upon to put on a cape is, at heart, emotionally equipped for the job. I reject that premise,” said series writer and BOOM! Studios Editor-in-Chief Mark Waid. “IRREDEEMABLE is, in a way, my third and most complex chapter on the cost of superheroics – a pulp adventure tale of horror exploring how the lessons we learn about right and wrong as children can become warped and twisted when challenged by the realities of the adult world. ”

“IRREDEEMABLE is a fresh start, a way to enjoy superhero comics without forty to eighty years of back story and following dozens of titles,” said BOOM! Studios managing editor Matt Gagnon. “It’s the superhero book fans have been waiting for!”

IRREDEEMABLE #1 features variant covers by John Cassaday and Barry Kitson in a 75/25 split with incentive covers by Jeffrey Spokes and is a “Featured Item” in the Diamond Previews Catalog with an order code of FEB094134.

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ElCoyote's Prophet

January 27, 2009 at 7:52 pm

Y’know, this is really not what I care to read right now. I like Waid, but he’s got a tin ear on this one, it’s everything I’d ignore from anyone else.

C’mon, man, give us a new HERO. Everyone’s been doing this thing for two decades. It’s O-L-D. I’m sick of it. Give me someone I can root for.

I will give this a look, and maybe even a year, but if I don’t see some hint that someone is standing up to this world’s greatest hero gone bad…that it’s just another Empire…I might not even give it a second issue.

I assume he can’t be doing Empire again or just trying some other sort of One Man Squadron Supreme riff, this set up just screams “Hey, I’ve read this comic A HUNDRED FRICKIN’ TIMES! ENOUGH!”, hopefully it’s meant to evoke that and then will take a strong turn somehow.

I’m in.

I preferred this when Waid called it ‘Empire’.

I’m giving this a shot.

And I’d like some more EMPIRE someday.

Oh yeah, it’s official – we are crazy at BOOM!

Seriously, check out tomorrow’s Previews for an essay by Mark on IRREDEEMABLE that has more info on the book. This is NOT going to be an EMPIRE re-tread. It is a whole other ball of wax.

And Previews will be the most you’ll hear from Waid on the subject until our panel Friday at NYCC.

There is more to come!


BOOM! Studios


But it would be great if it were part of the Empire Universe somehow… And Keith Giffen were writing some lateral stuff. He’s been seriously sidelined at DC these days.

Jeez, folk, jump the gun much? I’m not that big of a Waid supporter, but he did some very fine FF work, the best in years. How about you read before you judge. …and a tin ear refers to an inability to produce well-written/reproduced dialogue. Does that really appear to be the case here? No wonder pros have a low opinion of fan sites’ judgment. I’ll be trying out the 1st issue of this instead of waiting for the trade just to leaven the mix a little.

Peter Krause on interiors has my interest, if nothing else. I loved his work on Power of Shazam.

I hate to say this because the creative talent and the production values that went into this book are clearly first-rate but I found the scene previewed here a real turn-off. I just have no interest in reading a story in which a character who is apparently Supermanesque at least powerlevel wise use those abilities to try to slaughter innocent women and children like we see here.

It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I’m going to have to give this one a pass.

God, I hate 99% of comic book fans so damn much. You guys do nothing but whine and bitch about why everything will suck. How ’bout reading it first?

I am more than going to give this a try and then judge it on its own merits. From what Mark Waid has done in the past and judging from that art preview, it looks promising. So I am looking forward to giving this a shot.

Hey everyone,

First things first. I’m not an unbiased observer. Mark is editing my next book, which will be coming out from BOOM! in May. With no offense to other editors I’ve worked with – Mark’s the flat out best editor I’ve ever worked with. He’s also a friend and mentor, as he has been to many comic pros. And – meet him in person at a con and I think you’ll agree – an all around nice guy.

I’m not going to yell at people for jumping the gun. I think when creators/publishers tease work like this, we invite it to an extent. But I do think this book is worth a shot. Here’s why:

When I heard his pitch, it was one of those brilliant “why has no one ever done those before/why didn’t I think of that” stories. I stopped slapping myself when I realized even if I’d thought of it, I wouldn’t have executed it as well as he will.

It’s easy to say, “I read this the first time when it was called Empire. That’s not a shot. I say the same thing myself, out loud, in movie theaters all the time when the trailers come on. Sometimes I’m right, sometimes I’m wrong.

This isn’t an in depth article where Mark has waxed poetically about the project. We’ve got a brief premise, some pretty great cover art, and a scene that…well, I heard the pitch and I’m not sure where it falls. It could be he’s trying to slaughter innocent women and children, but that’s not what I took out of it. Nor is it consistent with, well, anything Mark’s ever written.

And from a brief preview could say Irredeemable has something in common with Empire. Just like you could say Kingdom Come does, or Wanted does, or Watchmen does. Or hell, Squadron Supreme, even the “Emperor Doom” graphic novel from the 80s where Dr. Doom took over the world with the help of Purple Man, and Wonderman got up from a nap and Doom let him save the world because he was bored of ruling it so easily.

My point? Those books may have similar premises, but they’re all very different works. Different in tone, style, them…etc.

This is definitely NOT a re-tread of Empire. I can’t say why without spoiling what I know of the plot, and I don’t ask you to take my word for it. But as someone who DOES want to see more Empire, I’ve asked him about it, and he definitely has more Empire to tell. It would be a slap in the face of Barry Kitson if he were to tell an Empire story under a different name, and Mark doesn’t roll like that. I feel pretty confident we’ll see an Empire story some day – but this won’t be it.

For those of you that are worried that there won’t be a heroic element in this or his other work – think about who we are talking about. Mark, along with Kurt Busiek, was one of the few people to help drag comics out of the darkness they were in for such a long time. If not for him, we might still be reading bad knock-offs of Dark Knight and Watchmen.

Just look Mark’s his body of work. The Flash, Captain America, Superman Birthright. Mark has consistently written characters and stories that embody heroism. He may have range, Kingdom Come, Potter’s Field and yes, Empire might be edgier than people expected. But I don’t think you’ll find a drop of cynicism even in his darkest tales.

As a writer of (among other thigns) super-hero comics, I often daunted by the fact that are a field in which it’s hard to be TRULY original. It’s especially hard to break the mold when you are working for a corporation that’s protective of its trademarks. Sometimes I think, why bother?

Then I think back to Mark’s JLA story, when Batman got caught profiling his fellow heroes like they were enemies, Ra’s Al Ghul took the remains of Bruce Wain’s parents to the Lazarus pits. How many years of Justice League stories, let alone Batman tales, had their been before, and no one ever thought of this? Mark yet again pulled something new out of his hat.

Now he’s working without the constraints of having to service someone else’s trademarks (not that there’s anything wrong with that).

I’m not asking anyone to take my word for it. What I do ask – is for you to think about Mark’s long track record of original, heroic fiction – and think about whether it’s fair to presume, based on that body of work, that Mark’s going to write a dark rip off of a book he wrote 10 years ago.

Like I said, I’m not without bias. But I also have nothing to gain from saying this – he’s already publishing my book. But I feel strongly about supporting a creator who dare to work outside the big two, and even more strongly when that creator has given as much comics as Mark Waid has.

Mark (Sable)

Looking for a better page rate Mr. Sable???

:o) (I kid, I kid)

Thanks for your comments. I am looking forward to putting this on my order this week. :o)

ElCoyote's Prophet

January 28, 2009 at 4:58 am

I based my opinion on the pages previewed, none of which look all that…y’know innovative, it looks like Empire or Wanted, another over the top super-grim and gritty tale of bad guys winning.

So the twist is here this used to be a good guy.

But like someone else said, that page with the guy trying to rangle his wife and kids didn’t seem to promising, it seemed like that could’ve been in Wanted.

The tone of these pages doesn’t do anything for me.

Sometimes, I think it would be best not to partially preview a book, I know publishers thing a taste is in order, but a sample doesn’t always do the whole justice. Give me sketches and non specific covers, don’t give me pages that don’t represent the whole work because they’re dramatic, you give me a taste of something I don’t like I’m going to expect the whole thing will taste like that.

It is nice to see Peter Krause doing comics again, it’s been, what, almost ten years since Power Of Shazam bit the dust? I’m one of the few who really enjoyed that book.

Oh wow, Peter Krause, eh? I loved him on Six Feet Under.

You know, I’ve never really been a huge Mark Waid fan but ever since he’s gone to BOOM!, I’ve been nothing but impressed. Between the ultimate superhero in “The Incredibles” and the ultimate supervillain in this, I’m definitely beginning to notice BOOM! (it helps that they’re bringing back “The Muppets”, as well). I really like that 1/50 incentive cover. If it wouldn’t be so expensive to pick up, that would be my pick for the cover.

I’ll be diplomatic and just say that while I think Waid is a very good writer, conceptually this is very boring. I think he’ll have to work especially hard to make it rise above the typical dark superhero book.

Hey, I hope you guys will give it a chance. Working with Mark Waid and Matt Gagnon has been a lot of fun.

And I loved Peter Krause (obviously not ME!) on “Six Feet Under” and “Sportsnight”.

I’m looking forward to it. I felt that Wanted was gratuitous and it was Millar taking a shot at traditional super hero stories. I have more faith that Mark Waid has a broader story to tell than just the “here’s all the killing and raping I can get away with” than I got from Wanted.

“C’mon, man, give us a new HERO. Everyone’s been doing this thing for two decades. It’s O-L-D. I’m sick of it. Give me someone I can root for.”

Every time I go into the comic shop I am surrounded by books about super HEROES, some of whom are 70 years O-L-D. Why on earth anyone would criticize a writer for trying something different in today’s troubled marketplace is beyond me. Especially since the book hasn’t even come out yet.

I, for one, am very glad to see Krause back on a monthly comic. He’s obscenely underrated. Loved his Power of Shazam and the issue of Birds of Prey we worked on (#7). He’s got strong storytelling skills ala Paul Ryan.

And Waid knows superheroes like the back of his hand. When he and the late Mike Wieringo did FF, it was the best since Lee & Kirby, IMHO.

btw, I have no affiliation with Boom! Studios, for any of you cynical lads out there.

Comics seems to be the only industry where the consumers root for failure. Pull back the hate a bit. It’s like smashing someone’s toe before he gets in the room.

ElCoyote's Prophet

January 28, 2009 at 10:37 am

“Why on earth anyone would criticize a writer for trying something different in today’s troubled marketplace is beyond me. Especially since the book hasn’t even come out yet.”

Because it’s not different? Empire. Wanted. It’s not even that different than most of what DC is putting out these days, darkness for darkness sake. Hopeless heroes. Good guys get the shaft. Yay. It’s tiresome. The only brightspot at DC these days is JSofA. Most of those books are so unrelentingly ‘dark’ one wonders how anyone can read them all and not want o blow their heads off.

And I’m criticizing WHAT THEY OFFERED AS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BOOK. I didn’t pick those pages. Boom did. Maybe even Waid did. They picked pages depicting the lead up to the apparent murder of an innocent family.

I’m supposed to read more into it? I’m supposed to go beyond what they showed me and expect MORE?

No. Either tell me I should expect something interest and trust I can wait, or show me.

DO NOT show me one thing and then say “it’s not that!”, that’s just craziness.

You show me a crappy trailer that looks like something I’ve seen before, I’m gonna be less than interested in the film.

I expect something good from Waid. This, based upon the preview, DOES NOT LOOK GOOD. It looks like another tired exercise in deconstruction.

I’m not against it, I’m just wary.

I’m not interested either. Pretty artwork sure, but who the hell wants to read a book about a Superman-analogue gone all eeeeevil and slaughtering the families of his former friends!? Both DC and Marvel’s books are chock-full of darkness and evil lately with Dark Reign and the Faces of Evil storylines. Its just such oppressively dreary reading.

It’s been done so many times before… Dark Phoenix, Miracleman, Watchmen, Scarlet Witch, Black Adam, Ultimates, Superboy-Prime, Bishop, Invincible, an on and on and on…

When *Teen Titans* of all things uses the evil-former-teammate as a plot staple for decades then you know you haven’t exactly mined innovative new territory with this series.

Maybe the nihilists out there feel they need an antidote to all the happy-happy joy-joy surrounding Obama’s inauguration but personally I’d rather be reading something more hopeful, heroic and far less gruesome.

“And I’m criticizing WHAT THEY OFFERED AS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BOOK. I didn’t pick those pages. Boom did. Maybe even Waid did. They picked pages depicting the lead up to the apparent murder of an innocent family.

I’m supposed to read more into it? I’m supposed to go beyond what they showed me and expect MORE?”

Well I should hope you can expect at least 20 or so pages more… Your response to this is like watching a movie trailer and saying “That movie sucked, it didn’t even make sense! No character development, no build-up, nothing!” Yes, a trailer or a preview can help you decide whether a movie or book is something you would be interested in watching or reading, but dang man… you’ve spent a lot of time criticizing a book you haven’t even read yet. If you don’t want to read it don’t, but I think you could have read it in less time than it took you to type up your comments.

As for me, reading the article only gave me a passing interest in this, but the preview pages put me over the top. I’m excited about this book and look forward to it, and there are only maybe one or two other books I’ve been able to say that about lately. Great concept, and I know Waid will knock it out of the park! I think the only cynicism I’m picking up is in some of these comments… sheez guys, really!

It’s not cynicism – it’s weariness of the concept of “Superhero Becomes Psychotic Killer”.

Your movie trailer analogy is very apt; I’ve decided not to spend my money going to films based entirely on what the producers chose to highlight in the trailer. Same situation here.

Despite the title, and knowing Waid’s work, I see the potential here for a great story of redemption, or at least the power and consequences of personal choice and responsibility. That’s something that sets it apart from the “darkness for darkness’ sake” that I think you’re talking about. Of course I haven’t read it yet either, but I see the possibilities here and given the talent attached I’d like to see where the story goes. From the looks of things the story is starting off with the main character in darkness, and journeys from darkness to light often work better than the inverse… and I think are more in keeping with recent real world developments (or at least that’s my hope, but I guess only time will tell!).

A 1-in-50 variant for a book that likely won’t sell 5000 copies? And the variant is that Waid will sign it? I’d say Waid is insane.

I have a feeling this series may be more about the people that are trying to stop the ex-hero than it is about title character.

Not sure if i’m buying because of the interior. Had it been Kitson and Cassaday I might have been enticed of taken a crack at it.

Should be interesting, though.

Don’t usually follow Mr. Waid’s work, but this looks like an interesting story.

It always bugs me how characters mentioned above, like Phoenix, Scarlet Witch or Wolverine see-saw back from heroes to mass murderers without real consequence.

This story looks like it may have room to actually explore the concept. Art’s pretty, too, so I’ll at least be giving first issue a go.

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