Why should Marvel bother going back on it now? It would be like getting out of a hole by digging deeper. It ain’t gonna happen.

I’ll just stick to the summaries and for the people that wont QUIT ASM just because of OMD. I advise you guys to stoop reading the books and just stick to checking out summaries.

Quesada stated that if natural progression for Spiderman and his life is to occur than we should be ordering SpiderGirl off the shelves more than usual just to have a place to read about an older Spiderman.

Thats not necesarliy the case when it comes to Captain America’s death. Him DYING is, US moving on. ITS Natural Progression occuring in the MainStream World. Basically with this Joe Contradicts HIMSELF.

Bringing Steve Rogers back from the dead (REGRESSION) would not only be a MIDDLE FINGER to the MORAL VALUE of Captain America START TO FINISH Biography, but to the CONCEPT of American Patriotism, especially with the fact that he died from being viewed from two controversial perspectives in the Civil War.

- He was being seen as a trator to his Country for disagreeing against the American Government and People.
- And he was being looked at as fighting for American Civil Rights, and being discrimiated against.

And telling fans to get over OMD is like telling a mother to get over the muder, or death of her child in one afternoon. You dont say that to someone who lost a huge fraction of her whole world especially if that person could have died honorably, lets say the child grew older and fought and died in for a justified moral cause..

Peter and MJ are not the kind of characters who would leave one another or divorce one another, their love is unconditional and they have a strict beleif in that. I hated their seperation back in 2001-2003, it didnt make any characteristic sense and was chastised just as much as their current “break up” in BND is right now. It’s not because divorce at that age isnt possible, it’s because THAT’S NOT WHO THEY ARE AS CHARACTERS

Joe, despite how he went about things, respects that aspect. He’s married, and has a thing about family values (just look at the additions made to Luke Cage, the FF, and keeping Spider-Girl afloat), as do I. I know just as many people at that age that are STILL MARRIED

Divorce shouldnt be encouraged in comics just because a bunch of decident fanboys have weaker minds than Peter and MJ

To be fair though, Spider-Girl is still kept very much alive by Quesada, and with the newspaper strip back to normal, Marvel really have never let the marraige slip out of their hands for the two-and-a-half years it’s been “absent”

For anyone who followed that “dream” story by the way…Peter’s nightmares are disturbing….he has fantasies about unmasking Electro in front of his kid, then waiting out the hospital room while they make up.

Ultimatley, some people need to accept that Spidey’s story ended ten years ago. That final issue of ASM before the 1999 cancelation? Where Peter swings off into the sunset to rescue who he beleives to be his daughter? That’s it. That’s the end. Everything afterwards ought to be left up to your imagination. Either Peter saved Aunt May and the Parkers lived happily ever after, Peter still a photographer, MJ a part-time actress in theatre (newspaper strip), or Peter saved Mayday and the timeline follows the Spider-Girl mythology. Either one of them is better than the garbage I have seen ransack ASM ever since that final page. Thank god for USM, Spider-Girl, and SSM.

As far as I’m concerned, Spider-Girl is the natural continuation, continuing the spirit of the franchise whilst growing and maturing Peter and MJ without neccersarily having them always at the center of the action, mentoring and guiding their legacies in Mayday, April, and Benjy. DeFalco is one of the last true custodians of what Spider-Man is all about…progress, overcoming personal strife, and family values. Mayday isnt Peter, but Peter logically would have given up this s*it by now. He’d have grown up. Too bad nobody could let him go.

Ultimate Spider-Man isnt an example of a succesfull “single” Peter title.. Peter and MJ only ever had two break-ups in the title, and neither lasted very long or had much angst in it, they recently made a vow to marry each other one day and would wait until then to consumate their relationship.

USM is a series that tries to establish Peter as a man before he leaves High School…it’s what Ditko always wanted for the character, when he graduated either High School or at best College, he’d pretty much know exactly who he wanted and what he wanted. Bendis has been very “real” with USM, it’s not the Archie-like homage ASM is trying to be. Here, characters make their minds up about who they want to be and they stay that way without revertals in character for the sake of keeping things “iconic”

I don’t know anyone can enjoy BND. I’d understand if it resembled Spider-Man’s spirit and world in the slightest, but it does not. There is character regression and, pun intended, character assasination all over the shop. Peter outgrew a lot of what he is experiancing in this title, he’s a respected photo journalist who’s appeared on Johnny Carson, why is he driving cabs? Jameson Snr is a BLUNT mary sue, Aunt May desecrating Ben’s memory and having sex after a two-month period of dating? Menace the transmorphant Goblin b*tch? What the FRACK is this garbage? People LIKE this s*it? SRLY? No wonder Hilary Duff and Limp Bizkit are/were popular.

Spidey is just MTV-level garbage aimed at drunk bloggers or Deviantart fanfic writers these days.

Harry seems to be channeling Michale Rosenbaum’s Lex Luthor with hair…he’s a grown man whose a father with a family, yet has gay playdates with Peter in the park barefoot (?!), and whinjing over his ex-fiances being Goblins-in-disguise

Liz forgave him after “Mind on Fire”, can’t we just get back to the supposed family values Quesada employs? I know he loves influencial parental figures, so why break up Harry’s marraige if he’s a FATHER? Not to mention even without knowing Peter’s identity, MJ is established as a character who sees past all of Peter’s problems and wouldnt leave him at all to begin with, he’s her one true love and always has been. They have a spiritual marraige whenever they don’t have a legal one.

Someone above me was right…look at “The Spectacular Spider-Man” series…it has one of the best uses of MJ ever…she’s kept to a minimum, she’s trying to pair Peter up with Gwen, she loves him in a different way that can be construed as the “selfless romantic”…by keeping MJ in the background, the “girl who’s always there”, Peter will eventually realize he is THE girl for her…the “Spidey Loves MJ” series are also a good psychological dossier on the character.

DeFalco had the common sense to realize the only way you can ever have proper drama with MJ is for her to know who Peter is…otherwise all she is is Peter’s best friend, surrogate wife (or legal wife), the unintentional spoiler, and support pillar whenever she doesnt know. There’s no drama with her unless she knows.

I’d retcon the whole Quesada regime given the chance…it’s the Bush/Cheny of the comics industry. All rage, no principle. A success? Yes…but when everyone looks back on this era, they will wonder what they were thinking supporting this garbage. All this talk of people who like Hilary Duff? No different here. No difference at all. There are shining gems amongst the crap (Brubaker’s DD and Cap, DeFalco on Spider-Girl, She-Hulk , Spidey/Human Torch, USM, and Mighty Avengers), but I won’t miss this era of comics at all as a whole….waste of trees

Everything has it’s time, and everything dies. BND will not last forever. I’m perfectly fine with those that can accept that and just enjoy the ride if they want to….but to others, wake the f*ck up and stop kissing Marvel’s ass. They only delayed the inevitable.

Case. In. Point.

Even his present “girl troubles” are so shallow that it can be ignored without affecting the rest of the story.

And if they HAD to undo the marriage, there’s no reason they can’t keep MJ in the dynamic. Look at the Spectacular Spider-Man animated series. There’s this constant love tension between Peter and three different girls (Liz, MJ and Gwen), and it’s a wonderful thing. They should bring that sort of relational dynamism into the comics.

All things considered, I still have this nagging thought in the back of my head: “The Spider-Man I know doesn’t make deals with the Devil.”

OMT, another reason why sales on ASM are down is because of the 3 times a month schedule. As I predicted (and said on various message boards) over a year ago when the thrice monthly scheduled was first announced, that this 3 times a month schedule is going to hurt sales on this book in the long term. The same thing is also going to happen with the upcoming bi weekly X-MEN FOREVER series.