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	<title>Comments on: Comics A.M. &#124; The comics Internet in two minutes</title>
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		<title>By: Blackjak</title>
		<link>http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2009/06/comics-am-the-comics-internet-in-two-minutes-93/comment-page-1/#comment-11122</link>
		<dc:creator>Blackjak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newsflash:  Jesus was a Jew...  

His dislike for money-changers, money-lenders, or whoever, had nothing to do with their religion, merely their greed.  Jews can be good or bad, just like everyone else.

Read what you want into it, but actively looking for an offense where none *may* have been intended can actually cause far more harm than good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newsflash:  Jesus was a Jew&#8230;  </p>
<p>His dislike for money-changers, money-lenders, or whoever, had nothing to do with their religion, merely their greed.  Jews can be good or bad, just like everyone else.</p>
<p>Read what you want into it, but actively looking for an offense where none *may* have been intended can actually cause far more harm than good.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Thal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Thal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The American cartoonist and the Canadian former-PM are related.  At some point two branches of the same family ended up living in different countries and each produced a famous individual.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a stretch to say that the strip amounts to antisemitism. That said, most of Trudeau&#039;s critics grasp that the real target was the predatory lending companies that helped create the current financial crisis.  The issue is that he used an interpretation of scripture that is heavily anti-Judaic in order to do so and then followed it up with a popular anti-Semitic trope as the punch line.

Both the interpretation of scripture and the stereotype have been used in recent history as incitements to anti-Semitic violence-- this isn&#039;t to say that Trudeau used them with that intent-- it&#039;s entirely possible he used both without a full awareness of the consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American cartoonist and the Canadian former-PM are related.  At some point two branches of the same family ended up living in different countries and each produced a famous individual.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a stretch to say that the strip amounts to antisemitism. That said, most of Trudeau&#8217;s critics grasp that the real target was the predatory lending companies that helped create the current financial crisis.  The issue is that he used an interpretation of scripture that is heavily anti-Judaic in order to do so and then followed it up with a popular anti-Semitic trope as the punch line.</p>
<p>Both the interpretation of scripture and the stereotype have been used in recent history as incitements to anti-Semitic violence&#8211; this isn&#8217;t to say that Trudeau used them with that intent&#8211; it&#8217;s entirely possible he used both without a full awareness of the consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Sijo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sijo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 00:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The joke was about comparing moneylenders (bankers) to the Moneychangers At The Temple. Note it&#039;s a child character who makes the confusion. The adults realize her error but are just following on it for fun. Presumably, moments later they corrected her. But that wasn&#039;t shown because Trudeau expected people to get the joke. 

I agree the delivery could have been more clear, but to go from there to an accusation of antisemitism is going a bit far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The joke was about comparing moneylenders (bankers) to the Moneychangers At The Temple. Note it&#8217;s a child character who makes the confusion. The adults realize her error but are just following on it for fun. Presumably, moments later they corrected her. But that wasn&#8217;t shown because Trudeau expected people to get the joke. </p>
<p>I agree the delivery could have been more clear, but to go from there to an accusation of antisemitism is going a bit far.</p>
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		<title>By: ykw</title>
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		<dc:creator>ykw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. My bad. Had recalled he was of some relation to the former Canadian PM and went from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. My bad. Had recalled he was of some relation to the former Canadian PM and went from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Melrose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Melrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trudeau&#039;s American.</description>
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		<title>By: ykw</title>
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		<dc:creator>ykw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the thing about DOONESBURY: The characters make specific reference to Jews (the folks &quot;Jesus&quot; loses his shite with) =and= money-lenders in the context of a single panel. Not that it would have been necessary, though; ever since that rat-bastich Shakespeare tossed out his anti-Semitic blood libel, there hasn&#039;t been a society of any consequence on this planet that =hasn&#039;t= made the association: 

money-lenders &gt; Jews &gt; enemies of mankind 

You don&#039;t need to put in a panel of a grinning hook-nosed Shylock or say the phrase &quot;Jew money-lenders&quot; or even put (or hint at the concept) &quot;Jew&quot; and &quot;money-lenders&quot; in context with one another for the term -- left unrebuked -- to be understood for what it is.

Plus, Trudeau&#039;s a Canadian. They have a &quot;Human Rights&quot; kangaroo court up there that&#039;ll smite writers and authors to ashen heaps for a whole lot less than what went on here. Hoo boy, he got a heap o&#039; trouble now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the thing about DOONESBURY: The characters make specific reference to Jews (the folks &#8220;Jesus&#8221; loses his shite with) =and= money-lenders in the context of a single panel. Not that it would have been necessary, though; ever since that rat-bastich Shakespeare tossed out his anti-Semitic blood libel, there hasn&#8217;t been a society of any consequence on this planet that =hasn&#8217;t= made the association: </p>
<p>money-lenders &gt; Jews &gt; enemies of mankind </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t need to put in a panel of a grinning hook-nosed Shylock or say the phrase &#8220;Jew money-lenders&#8221; or even put (or hint at the concept) &#8220;Jew&#8221; and &#8220;money-lenders&#8221; in context with one another for the term &#8212; left unrebuked &#8212; to be understood for what it is.</p>
<p>Plus, Trudeau&#8217;s a Canadian. They have a &#8220;Human Rights&#8221; kangaroo court up there that&#8217;ll smite writers and authors to ashen heaps for a whole lot less than what went on here. Hoo boy, he got a heap o&#8217; trouble now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Thal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Thal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vinnie-

I think that you miss the point that leading up to the panel about Jesus&#039; anger at the &quot;money lenders&quot; there is a theological discussion about the difference between Jesus and God as presented in the &lt;i&gt;Tanakh&lt;/i&gt;.  Leaving aside that it&#039;s a pretty inaccurate reading of the texts in question, it&#039;s essentially a claim that Judaism is inferior to Christianity and thus deserving contempt.

I&#039;ve been a lifetime fan of Gary Trudeau, but the cartoon does does repeat an anti-Semitic canard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vinnie-</p>
<p>I think that you miss the point that leading up to the panel about Jesus&#8217; anger at the &#8220;money lenders&#8221; there is a theological discussion about the difference between Jesus and God as presented in the <i>Tanakh</i>.  Leaving aside that it&#8217;s a pretty inaccurate reading of the texts in question, it&#8217;s essentially a claim that Judaism is inferior to Christianity and thus deserving contempt.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a lifetime fan of Gary Trudeau, but the cartoon does does repeat an anti-Semitic canard.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Thal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Thal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, at least in the letter I wrote to Doonesbury, I pointed out that Rev. Sloane has always been portrayed as a progressive clergyman always willing to do interfaith social-justice work.  So it was pretty out of character for him to just sit back and let Sam spell out such an anti-Judaic theology without correction.  So it would actually have been in character for him to say something like: &quot;Hey! Is that what you&#039;re getting from my sermons?!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, at least in the letter I wrote to Doonesbury, I pointed out that Rev. Sloane has always been portrayed as a progressive clergyman always willing to do interfaith social-justice work.  So it was pretty out of character for him to just sit back and let Sam spell out such an anti-Judaic theology without correction.  So it would actually have been in character for him to say something like: &#8220;Hey! Is that what you&#8217;re getting from my sermons?!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Vinnie Bartilucci</title>
		<link>http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2009/06/comics-am-the-comics-internet-in-two-minutes-93/comment-page-1/#comment-11083</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinnie Bartilucci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the ADL is digging a little deep on this one.  It&#039;s a very weak syllogism - &quot;Many people subscribe to the stereotype that all jews are evil bankers, Garry Trudeau made a joke about bankers, therefore, Garry Trudeau made a joke about Jews&quot;.  No, he made a joke about bankers, and how stories about evil greedy bankers permeate history.  I didn&#039;t see anything that mentioned &quot;Jew bankers&quot; of the Elders of Zion or anything that suggested anything else.  By this argument, all the anti-bank mentality in the country is anti-Jew mentality, and I don&#039;t hear them claiming that.

But as I&#039;ve said many times, you don&#039;t get on television by saying something nice or congratulatory.  You need a crisis or a scandal to get prime time coverage.My favorite example is Ice Cube&#039;s film &quot;Barbershop&quot;, a black produced film with an almost all-black cast dealing with a uniquely black social gathering place, and it drew stellar crossover crowds.  He drew white people to a &quot;black&quot; movie.  The &quot;urban leaders&quot; (Sharpton&#039;s crowd) could have come out and commended Cube about making a film that didn&#039;t make black people out to be drug dealers and gangbangers, and to be able present a positive set of characters to a wide audience, but instead thay pilloried the film over a joke about Rosa Parks.  If they&#039;d presented him with a plaque for his positive achievements, it probably wouldn&#039;t even have gotten the spot after the weather - a scene involving black outrage, it got covered and discussed for days.  Which is all people are really interested in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the ADL is digging a little deep on this one.  It&#8217;s a very weak syllogism &#8211; &#8220;Many people subscribe to the stereotype that all jews are evil bankers, Garry Trudeau made a joke about bankers, therefore, Garry Trudeau made a joke about Jews&#8221;.  No, he made a joke about bankers, and how stories about evil greedy bankers permeate history.  I didn&#8217;t see anything that mentioned &#8220;Jew bankers&#8221; of the Elders of Zion or anything that suggested anything else.  By this argument, all the anti-bank mentality in the country is anti-Jew mentality, and I don&#8217;t hear them claiming that.</p>
<p>But as I&#8217;ve said many times, you don&#8217;t get on television by saying something nice or congratulatory.  You need a crisis or a scandal to get prime time coverage.My favorite example is Ice Cube&#8217;s film &#8220;Barbershop&#8221;, a black produced film with an almost all-black cast dealing with a uniquely black social gathering place, and it drew stellar crossover crowds.  He drew white people to a &#8220;black&#8221; movie.  The &#8220;urban leaders&#8221; (Sharpton&#8217;s crowd) could have come out and commended Cube about making a film that didn&#8217;t make black people out to be drug dealers and gangbangers, and to be able present a positive set of characters to a wide audience, but instead thay pilloried the film over a joke about Rosa Parks.  If they&#8217;d presented him with a plaque for his positive achievements, it probably wouldn&#8217;t even have gotten the spot after the weather &#8211; a scene involving black outrage, it got covered and discussed for days.  Which is all people are really interested in.</p>
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		<title>By: Blackjak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blackjak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Writes the ADL: &quot;Doonesbury&#039;s Reverend Sloan is guilty of promoting anti-Jewish stereotypes and biblical illiteracy. He owes both Jews and Christians an apology.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They want a cartoon character to apologise!?!?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Writes the ADL: &#8220;Doonesbury&#8217;s Reverend Sloan is guilty of promoting anti-Jewish stereotypes and biblical illiteracy. He owes both Jews and Christians an apology.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>They want a cartoon character to apologise!?!?!?</p>
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		<title>By: Spidey_82</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spidey_82</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Anyone want to see if we can convince Joss Whedon to come back to the idea of a Wonder Woman movie after all?&quot;

Eh. It&#039;s not that Whedon gave up on writing/directing the movie, it was Warner that wanted something else and did everything to scare him off. Maybe if they change their approach (same as DC comics-wise), it&#039;ll be doable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anyone want to see if we can convince Joss Whedon to come back to the idea of a Wonder Woman movie after all?&#8221;</p>
<p>Eh. It&#8217;s not that Whedon gave up on writing/directing the movie, it was Warner that wanted something else and did everything to scare him off. Maybe if they change their approach (same as DC comics-wise), it&#8217;ll be doable.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Thal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Thal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;i&gt;Doonesbury&lt;/i&gt; strip in question, while probably not intended to be anti-Semitic (since it was really meant to refer to predetory lenders&#039; role in causing the financial crisis), definitely made its centerpiece a popular theological canard that is degrading Judaism, and isn&#039;t even a remotely accurate reading of scripture.  Of course, invoking the theological claim while then refering to &quot;money lenders&quot; as the enemy of Jesus also evokes Shylock form &lt;i&gt;The Merchant of Venice.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <i>Doonesbury</i> strip in question, while probably not intended to be anti-Semitic (since it was really meant to refer to predetory lenders&#8217; role in causing the financial crisis), definitely made its centerpiece a popular theological canard that is degrading Judaism, and isn&#8217;t even a remotely accurate reading of scripture.  Of course, invoking the theological claim while then refering to &#8220;money lenders&#8221; as the enemy of Jesus also evokes Shylock form <i>The Merchant of Venice.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Matt Maxwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which Spider-Man, Wraith?  Ultimate Spider-Man?  Marvel Adventures Spider-Man?  Brand-New-Day-Spider-Man, which is spread over three different titles (or are they running it differently now?)  And which of these titles are accessible to someone who just wants to pick up and read a Spider-Man comic they can understand?  I have my answer, but it&#039;s also the one that&#039;s the least-read in the DM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which Spider-Man, Wraith?  Ultimate Spider-Man?  Marvel Adventures Spider-Man?  Brand-New-Day-Spider-Man, which is spread over three different titles (or are they running it differently now?)  And which of these titles are accessible to someone who just wants to pick up and read a Spider-Man comic they can understand?  I have my answer, but it&#8217;s also the one that&#8217;s the least-read in the DM.</p>
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		<title>By: Scavenger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scavenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too disagree, but really with the inclusion of the Naruto &quot;article&quot;.

It was a a page worth  of quote followed by &quot;Naruto&#039;s TPB&#039;s are numbered, Spider-Man&#039;s aren&#039;t&quot;.

There&#039;s no real point other than stating the obvious. No discussion of what Marvel could do better. No reasons why things are as they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too disagree, but really with the inclusion of the Naruto &#8220;article&#8221;.</p>
<p>It was a a page worth  of quote followed by &#8220;Naruto&#8217;s TPB&#8217;s are numbered, Spider-Man&#8217;s aren&#8217;t&#8221;.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no real point other than stating the obvious. No discussion of what Marvel could do better. No reasons why things are as they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Wraith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wraith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree. You want accessibility? The title &quot;Spider-Man&quot; gives you a decent clue as to what you&#039;re getting into.

I have no idea what (who?) a &quot;Naruto&quot; is. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree. You want accessibility? The title &#8220;Spider-Man&#8221; gives you a decent clue as to what you&#8217;re getting into.</p>
<p>I have no idea what (who?) a &#8220;Naruto&#8221; is. <img src='http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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