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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2009/09/even-banned-books-week-has-its-detractors-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-16976</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 07:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ALA admits its own problem with the title of its list.  They are stuck with &quot;Banned&quot; Books Week -- because that&#039;s how they started and that&#039;s what the media (and blogs) salivate for.  But the ALA&#039;s list is &quot;Challenged Books&quot; -- because that&#039;s what happens -- and the books always win -- especially in sales.

Come to California -- where we have 80% of our school libraries without librarians.  Where we have half the public libraries of the national average.  We know how to deny access to books.  And it ain&#039;t one at a time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALA admits its own problem with the title of its list.  They are stuck with "Banned" Books Week -- because that's how they started and that's what the media (and blogs) salivate for.  But the ALA's list is "Challenged Books" -- because that's what happens -- and the books always win -- especially in sales.</p>
<p>Come to California -- where we have 80% of our school libraries without librarians.  Where we have half the public libraries of the national average.  We know how to deny access to books.  And it ain't one at a time.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2009/09/even-banned-books-week-has-its-detractors-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-16975</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 07:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Burning a Book 
By William Stafford

Protecting each other, right in the center 
a few pages glow a long time. 
The cover goes first, then the outer leaves 
curling away, then spine and a scattering. 
Truth, brittle and faint, burns easily, 
its fire as hot as the fire lies make-- 
flame doesn&#039;t care. You can usually find 
a few charred words in the ashes. 

And some books ought to burn, trying for character 
but just faking it. More disturbing 
than book ashes are whole libraries that no one 
got around to writing -- desolate 
towns, miles of unthought-in cities, 
and the terrorized countryside where wild dogs 
own anything that moves. If a book 
isn&#039;t written, no one needs to burn it-- 
ignorance can dance in the absence of fire. 

So I&#039;ve burned books. And there are many 
I haven&#039;t even written, and nobody has. 

William Stafford 
An Oregon Message 
© 1987, NY, Harper and Row</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burning a Book<br />
By William Stafford</p>
<p>Protecting each other, right in the center<br />
a few pages glow a long time.<br />
The cover goes first, then the outer leaves<br />
curling away, then spine and a scattering.<br />
Truth, brittle and faint, burns easily,<br />
its fire as hot as the fire lies make--<br />
flame doesn't care. You can usually find<br />
a few charred words in the ashes. </p>
<p>And some books ought to burn, trying for character<br />
but just faking it. More disturbing<br />
than book ashes are whole libraries that no one<br />
got around to writing -- desolate<br />
towns, miles of unthought-in cities,<br />
and the terrorized countryside where wild dogs<br />
own anything that moves. If a book<br />
isn't written, no one needs to burn it--<br />
ignorance can dance in the absence of fire. </p>
<p>So I've burned books. And there are many<br />
I haven't even written, and nobody has. </p>
<p>William Stafford<br />
An Oregon Message<br />
© 1987, NY, Harper and Row</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kat Kan wrote, &quot;In the town where I live, the public school system can no longer shelve Avi&#039;s Fighting Ground, a Newbery Award winning title (this means it was considered the best book for young readers for the year of the award).&quot; The Fighting Ground by Avi did not win the Newbery Award (though it appeared on several recommended book lists). Avi won the Newbery Award for Crispin and received Newbery Honors for The True Confessions of Charlotte Doyle and Nothing But the Truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kat Kan wrote, "In the town where I live, the public school system can no longer shelve Avi's Fighting Ground, a Newbery Award winning title (this means it was considered the best book for young readers for the year of the award)." The Fighting Ground by Avi did not win the Newbery Award (though it appeared on several recommended book lists). Avi won the Newbery Award for Crispin and received Newbery Honors for The True Confessions of Charlotte Doyle and Nothing But the Truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Libative Republicrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libative Republicrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems to me like a kneejerk reaction to a kneejerk article.  As a librarian myself, I found the WSJ article to have some relevant points, particularly about the fact that 90% of the episodes of banned books were actually &quot;challenged books&quot; that didn&#039;t result in the removal of the books.

Truth is, as public libraries, how many of us subscribe to Hustler and Penthouse?  They would certainly get used.  Whenever we choose one material and choose not to purchase another, we are indulging in a form of censorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems to me like a kneejerk reaction to a kneejerk article.  As a librarian myself, I found the WSJ article to have some relevant points, particularly about the fact that 90% of the episodes of banned books were actually "challenged books" that didn't result in the removal of the books.</p>
<p>Truth is, as public libraries, how many of us subscribe to Hustler and Penthouse?  They would certainly get used.  Whenever we choose one material and choose not to purchase another, we are indulging in a form of censorship.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy Tomorrow</title>
		<link>http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2009/09/even-banned-books-week-has-its-detractors-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-16803</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommy Tomorrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of college students and young people don&#039;t have a clue as to the history of censorship in America, both in the recent past and the ongoing practice of information being filtered out by corporations (media) and governments today.  Just a few decades ago for example a Supreme Court decision sent Ralph Ginzburg to prison for publishing a magazine called EROS. Though I&#039;m not defending the merits of EROS, this wasn&#039;t about some parent expressing outrage that Harry Potter books were teaching witchcraft to children.  Furthermore a lot of younger Librarians probably don&#039;t even know who Lenny Bruce was and what happened to him.  The idea of history repeating itself may be a cliche worth noting once a year.  In the Global environment of the internet, censorship anywhere can become censorship everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of college students and young people don't have a clue as to the history of censorship in America, both in the recent past and the ongoing practice of information being filtered out by corporations (media) and governments today.  Just a few decades ago for example a Supreme Court decision sent Ralph Ginzburg to prison for publishing a magazine called EROS. Though I'm not defending the merits of EROS, this wasn't about some parent expressing outrage that Harry Potter books were teaching witchcraft to children.  Furthermore a lot of younger Librarians probably don't even know who Lenny Bruce was and what happened to him.  The idea of history repeating itself may be a cliche worth noting once a year.  In the Global environment of the internet, censorship anywhere can become censorship everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Pate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Pate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an ALA member, an IFRT member, a fan of Nat Hentoff since I read one of his essays 15 years ago, and someone who is quite pleased to have gotten to attend presentations by Judith Krug on two different occassions, I have to admit that I agree with Muncy that while Banned Books Week is a very catchy marketing slogan, I haven&#039;t always considered it accurate. There is a world of difference between parents and others who exercise their First Amendment rights to challenge materials and when something is actually removed from the shelves.

On the other hand, I don&#039;t know where Muncy came up with the idea that censorship is only &quot;prior restraint on publication.&quot; Stopping the flow of information the way that China, Iran, and Cuba have with the able assistance of companies like Cisco is definitely censorship.

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/05/22/cisco-internal-memo.html

And one last note on Pullman: I wouldn&#039;t blame any library for not carrying his works. It took me two tries to get through the Golden Compass and I really wish I hadn&#039;t bothered. Not unlike Dan Brown, Pullman is much better at marketing through controversy than at actually crafting prose worth reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an ALA member, an IFRT member, a fan of Nat Hentoff since I read one of his essays 15 years ago, and someone who is quite pleased to have gotten to attend presentations by Judith Krug on two different occassions, I have to admit that I agree with Muncy that while Banned Books Week is a very catchy marketing slogan, I haven't always considered it accurate. There is a world of difference between parents and others who exercise their First Amendment rights to challenge materials and when something is actually removed from the shelves.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I don't know where Muncy came up with the idea that censorship is only "prior restraint on publication." Stopping the flow of information the way that China, Iran, and Cuba have with the able assistance of companies like Cisco is definitely censorship.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2008/05/22/cisco-internal-memo.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.boingboing.net/2008/05/22/cisco-internal-memo.html</a></p>
<p>And one last note on Pullman: I wouldn't blame any library for not carrying his works. It took me two tries to get through the Golden Compass and I really wish I hadn't bothered. Not unlike Dan Brown, Pullman is much better at marketing through controversy than at actually crafting prose worth reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Frankly Speaking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frankly Speaking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The WSJ piece is interesting for showing those of us deep within the groupthink of libraryland how our parochial concerns look to the real world. BBW is an overblown exercise in self-righteous hype, as in &quot;OMIGOD THE BARBARIANS ARE AT THE GATES AND ONLY WE BRAVE LIBRARIANS CAN STOP THEM&quot;. Ah, it&#039;s hard to be heroic, but ALA will sell us the posters and buttons necessary to lead the charge against prejudice and ignorance! 

The citizens who pay the taxes that support the schools and libraries surely have a right to express their opinions and seek redress of their grievances. That&#039;s in the Constitution, ALA. To count every complaint, and act like the sum reflects a vast tide of repression, when the great majority of these are by ALA&#039;s own admission dismissed makes the self-congratulatory drama all the more misplaced. 

Note: those citizens bringing these complaints do vote on school and public library millages. If you alienate enough potential users by patronizing and sanctimonious dismissal of their concerns, don&#039;t be surprised if they vote you down in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The WSJ piece is interesting for showing those of us deep within the groupthink of libraryland how our parochial concerns look to the real world. BBW is an overblown exercise in self-righteous hype, as in "OMIGOD THE BARBARIANS ARE AT THE GATES AND ONLY WE BRAVE LIBRARIANS CAN STOP THEM". Ah, it's hard to be heroic, but ALA will sell us the posters and buttons necessary to lead the charge against prejudice and ignorance! </p>
<p>The citizens who pay the taxes that support the schools and libraries surely have a right to express their opinions and seek redress of their grievances. That's in the Constitution, ALA. To count every complaint, and act like the sum reflects a vast tide of repression, when the great majority of these are by ALA's own admission dismissed makes the self-congratulatory drama all the more misplaced. </p>
<p>Note: those citizens bringing these complaints do vote on school and public library millages. If you alienate enough potential users by patronizing and sanctimonious dismissal of their concerns, don't be surprised if they vote you down in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy Tomorrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommy Tomorrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Banned Books Week is probably a phrase that could be freshened up a bit...some people (librarian colleagues included) probably don&#039;t give a thought to censorship or think it is no longer a problem in the age of the internet. Couldn&#039;t be further from the truth. The internet is the perfect editing/censorship tool for content. Take Google/China for example:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4645596.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Banned Books Week is probably a phrase that could be freshened up a bit...some people (librarian colleagues included) probably don't give a thought to censorship or think it is no longer a problem in the age of the internet. Couldn't be further from the truth. The internet is the perfect editing/censorship tool for content. Take Google/China for example:<br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4645596.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4645596.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Madison Stuart</title>
		<link>http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2009/09/even-banned-books-week-has-its-detractors-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-16795</link>
		<dc:creator>Madison Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;[...] while librarians hand down &quot;hidden verdicts&quot; as they stigmatize any who dare oppose them&quot;

I must admit that the mentioned WSJ article made me angry for the most part, but the impression I got from it with regards to the above sentiment was less about the actual banning of books, and more about the fact that, when it comes down to it, the librarians are the ones who choose what books come in to the library.

While they may be influenced by patron preferences, in the end it is the librarians who order the books and not all of those books are necessarily going to fit the reading preferences of the majority. In a good public library, there should be a reasonable distribution of books of both types. What&#039;s the good of having a point of view if it&#039;s never challenged?

I feel like those who focus on trying to get books banned from the public library should instead ask if the library can order a book that reflects their point of view to go alongside it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"[...] while librarians hand down "hidden verdicts" as they stigmatize any who dare oppose them"</p>
<p>I must admit that the mentioned WSJ article made me angry for the most part, but the impression I got from it with regards to the above sentiment was less about the actual banning of books, and more about the fact that, when it comes down to it, the librarians are the ones who choose what books come in to the library.</p>
<p>While they may be influenced by patron preferences, in the end it is the librarians who order the books and not all of those books are necessarily going to fit the reading preferences of the majority. In a good public library, there should be a reasonable distribution of books of both types. What's the good of having a point of view if it's never challenged?</p>
<p>I feel like those who focus on trying to get books banned from the public library should instead ask if the library can order a book that reflects their point of view to go alongside it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Melrose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Melrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, sure, freedom of thought and speech means all of that. But it also means that those who disagree with, say, an opinion piece are permitted to say as much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, sure, freedom of thought and speech means all of that. But it also means that those who disagree with, say, an opinion piece are permitted to say as much.</p>
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