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	<title>Comments on: Comics College: Jack Kirby</title>
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		<title>By: kamandi martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kamandi martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 21:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Devil Dinosaur, which dares to tell the tender story of a vicious red dinosaur and his tender friendship with a cro-magnon tween,  is amusing and full of high melodrama, but remains perhaps a bit too silly, even by Kirby&#039;s standards, to be regarded as essential&quot;

I&#039;ve heard a lot of people dissing Devil Dinosaur, even in the pages of the Jack Kirby collector magazine.  For me, it&#039;s an underappreciated classic that at first (Issues 1-3) deals with themes of survival through cooperation between species.  This alone sets it far above the average superhero fare.  Issues 4-7 take the series in a abrupt new direction when aliens kidnap the prehistoric animals for experimentation (something only hinted at in the Eternals series, but shown here in full).  Kirby scarred my impressionable &#039;70&#039;s mind with shocking images of vivisection aboard a U.F.O., and I loved it.

There&#039;s actually a lot going on in this series and it deserves a re-examination.  I think its a good series to give as an introduction to someone.  I gave it to my brother who has never read comics and he loved it!  Even though he&#039;s a biology professor, he wasn&#039;t bothered by Kirby placing dinosaurs together with primitive man, and instead was delighted by the series&#039; exploration of Darwinian ideas about evolution and survival.  If I had given my brother Fantastic Four to read, I don&#039;t think he would have enjoyed it as much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Devil Dinosaur, which dares to tell the tender story of a vicious red dinosaur and his tender friendship with a cro-magnon tween,  is amusing and full of high melodrama, but remains perhaps a bit too silly, even by Kirby&#8217;s standards, to be regarded as essential&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard a lot of people dissing Devil Dinosaur, even in the pages of the Jack Kirby collector magazine.  For me, it&#8217;s an underappreciated classic that at first (Issues 1-3) deals with themes of survival through cooperation between species.  This alone sets it far above the average superhero fare.  Issues 4-7 take the series in a abrupt new direction when aliens kidnap the prehistoric animals for experimentation (something only hinted at in the Eternals series, but shown here in full).  Kirby scarred my impressionable &#8217;70&#8242;s mind with shocking images of vivisection aboard a U.F.O., and I loved it.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s actually a lot going on in this series and it deserves a re-examination.  I think its a good series to give as an introduction to someone.  I gave it to my brother who has never read comics and he loved it!  Even though he&#8217;s a biology professor, he wasn&#8217;t bothered by Kirby placing dinosaurs together with primitive man, and instead was delighted by the series&#8217; exploration of Darwinian ideas about evolution and survival.  If I had given my brother Fantastic Four to read, I don&#8217;t think he would have enjoyed it as much.</p>
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		<title>By: JK Parkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK Parkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t even know what that&#039;s supposed to mean.</description>
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		<title>By: Ricardo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should take this column to a book further down the road...</description>
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		<title>By: GatewayGeek</title>
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		<dc:creator>GatewayGeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Kirby&#039;s importance to comics is that he was one of the first to identify the characters in the medium as the new pantheon of gods.

 Like the residents of Asgard and Olympus before them, the residents of Metropolis, Gotham, and New York all represent a drama of humanity played out by immortal figures. 

I have to wonder if there is a simularity between the reception of Kirby&#039;s work back then and the reception of Grant Morrison&#039;s work now. Some people are calling him such because of the different ways he looks at DC characters. Other people, such as myself, see Morrison&#039;s work as highly confusing and steeped in its own mythology that only makes sense to him. 

Could you say the same thing about Kirby when the New Gods first debut? Did people see the use of Mother Boxes and Space Deity&#039;s too confusing and self involved? I wish I could hear some perspective from someone who didn&#039;t like Kirby when he first came out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Kirby&#8217;s importance to comics is that he was one of the first to identify the characters in the medium as the new pantheon of gods.</p>
<p> Like the residents of Asgard and Olympus before them, the residents of Metropolis, Gotham, and New York all represent a drama of humanity played out by immortal figures. </p>
<p>I have to wonder if there is a simularity between the reception of Kirby&#8217;s work back then and the reception of Grant Morrison&#8217;s work now. Some people are calling him such because of the different ways he looks at DC characters. Other people, such as myself, see Morrison&#8217;s work as highly confusing and steeped in its own mythology that only makes sense to him. </p>
<p>Could you say the same thing about Kirby when the New Gods first debut? Did people see the use of Mother Boxes and Space Deity&#8217;s too confusing and self involved? I wish I could hear some perspective from someone who didn&#8217;t like Kirby when he first came out.</p>
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		<title>By: Cole Moore Odell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cole Moore Odell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The third Golden Age Captain America Masterworks has the last of the Simon/Kirby issues--they left after #10 for National. I think the first All-Winners Masterworks also has at least one Simon/Kirby Cap story.

I&#039;d love to see Machine Man get the same treatment as Devil Dinosaur, although I assume that&#039;s tangled up with 2001: A Space Odyssey rights issues, as a spin-off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The third Golden Age Captain America Masterworks has the last of the Simon/Kirby issues&#8211;they left after #10 for National. I think the first All-Winners Masterworks also has at least one Simon/Kirby Cap story.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see Machine Man get the same treatment as Devil Dinosaur, although I assume that&#8217;s tangled up with 2001: A Space Odyssey rights issues, as a spin-off.</p>
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		<title>By: Thad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh, disagree on X-Men.  I far prefer the Kirby era to the Claremont era.  A bit cookie-cutter, perhaps, and the characters weren&#039;t as well-developed as the Fantastic Four, but I far prefer the fun, colorful Kirby versions to the hamhanded allegory the series has become known for in the years since.

Love the column, though; I&#039;m a guy who does his best to introduce people who don&#039;t read comics to reasons they should, and both your entries so far have listed great places to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh, disagree on X-Men.  I far prefer the Kirby era to the Claremont era.  A bit cookie-cutter, perhaps, and the characters weren&#8217;t as well-developed as the Fantastic Four, but I far prefer the fun, colorful Kirby versions to the hamhanded allegory the series has become known for in the years since.</p>
<p>Love the column, though; I&#8217;m a guy who does his best to introduce people who don&#8217;t read comics to reasons they should, and both your entries so far have listed great places to start.</p>
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		<title>By: benday-dot</title>
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		<dc:creator>benday-dot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great recommendations. The thing about Kirby is that his oeuvre is so massive, lengthy and varied that he has not only legions of devoted fans, but specific battalions of fans devoted to specific periods and segments of the colossal output. Thus, we get: &quot;What about Thor?&quot; &quot;Don&#039;t discount his 80&#039;s stuff.&quot; The early Fantastic Four issues were among the King&#039;s best.&quot; &quot;One start with the Joe Simon collaboration to get at the essence of he work. &quot;

There really is something for everyone. One can still know much love for the part with only glimpsing those bright spots still illuminating the farther horizon. 

So yes if you haven&#039;t read Demon yet, there is still time and there is still the force of that recommendation of what part, small or large, you have discovered and found devotion for.

I have in the monthly issues everything for which Kirby did interior pencils from 1968 to his death. I have lots of stuff from the earlier years too. Anything reprinted of Kirby&#039;s going back to 1939 I have tried to gather and enjoy. The thing is there is always something new to discover and appreciate in Jack Kirby&#039;s voluminous output. One day I&#039;ll pick up 1976 Black Panther stuff and the next 1952 Boys Ranch and I&#039;ll see such a wonderful variance, but also such a common and continuous dynamic strain that is the hallmark of a man who helped define the history of American comic books, and I&#039;ll still know that I&#039;ll never tire of the wonderful legacy the King of Comics has left us.

Thanks again for a nice overview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great recommendations. The thing about Kirby is that his oeuvre is so massive, lengthy and varied that he has not only legions of devoted fans, but specific battalions of fans devoted to specific periods and segments of the colossal output. Thus, we get: &#8220;What about Thor?&#8221; &#8220;Don&#8217;t discount his 80&#8242;s stuff.&#8221; The early Fantastic Four issues were among the King&#8217;s best.&#8221; &#8220;One start with the Joe Simon collaboration to get at the essence of he work. &#8221;</p>
<p>There really is something for everyone. One can still know much love for the part with only glimpsing those bright spots still illuminating the farther horizon. </p>
<p>So yes if you haven&#8217;t read Demon yet, there is still time and there is still the force of that recommendation of what part, small or large, you have discovered and found devotion for.</p>
<p>I have in the monthly issues everything for which Kirby did interior pencils from 1968 to his death. I have lots of stuff from the earlier years too. Anything reprinted of Kirby&#8217;s going back to 1939 I have tried to gather and enjoy. The thing is there is always something new to discover and appreciate in Jack Kirby&#8217;s voluminous output. One day I&#8217;ll pick up 1976 Black Panther stuff and the next 1952 Boys Ranch and I&#8217;ll see such a wonderful variance, but also such a common and continuous dynamic strain that is the hallmark of a man who helped define the history of American comic books, and I&#8217;ll still know that I&#8217;ll never tire of the wonderful legacy the King of Comics has left us.</p>
<p>Thanks again for a nice overview.</p>
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		<title>By: Alvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No disrespect for the earlier issues but for me, Kirbys art  on FF really pops in issue 30  on through his run on the title,  30 is one of my all time favorite issues, as a kid Diablo freaked me out I loved his work on the Demon,  the design of  Etrigin was a tribute to the work of Hal Foster on Prince Valiant and there was so much Frankenstienish movie influence, just crazy. Kirbys work on Thor or The Demon or the FF pretty much every thing he did  always had such gradioso backgrounds larger then life gadgets which just added to the story and created its own drama. just plain cool! later!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No disrespect for the earlier issues but for me, Kirbys art  on FF really pops in issue 30  on through his run on the title,  30 is one of my all time favorite issues, as a kid Diablo freaked me out I loved his work on the Demon,  the design of  Etrigin was a tribute to the work of Hal Foster on Prince Valiant and there was so much Frankenstienish movie influence, just crazy. Kirbys work on Thor or The Demon or the FF pretty much every thing he did  always had such gradioso backgrounds larger then life gadgets which just added to the story and created its own drama. just plain cool! later!</p>
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		<title>By: ChristopherH</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChristopherH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a relatively late returner to comics who read them but didn&#039;t really appreciate them when he was younger, I want to say thanks for such an awesome overview. The comments are really helpful too. Given that I know so little about the genre, it is nice to have so many perspectives. I&#039;m going to buck your suggestions, though, and start with Fourth World... looks interesting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a relatively late returner to comics who read them but didn&#8217;t really appreciate them when he was younger, I want to say thanks for such an awesome overview. The comments are really helpful too. Given that I know so little about the genre, it is nice to have so many perspectives. I&#8217;m going to buck your suggestions, though, and start with Fourth World&#8230; looks interesting!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Schillig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Schillig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second the recommendation for 2001: A Space Odyssey, which lasted for ten issues and blew my 10-year-old mind monthly as I was buying it. It also introduced Mister Machine (who had a name change to Machine Man when he got his own series) in the last three issues. If Marvel could ever work something out with MGM, I would buy a trade collection of this book in a heartbeat. 

And as much as I like The New Gods, I enjoy The Eternals more. Something about Kirby&#039;s second coming at Marvel that really speaks to me -- it&#039;s all great stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second the recommendation for 2001: A Space Odyssey, which lasted for ten issues and blew my 10-year-old mind monthly as I was buying it. It also introduced Mister Machine (who had a name change to Machine Man when he got his own series) in the last three issues. If Marvel could ever work something out with MGM, I would buy a trade collection of this book in a heartbeat. </p>
<p>And as much as I like The New Gods, I enjoy The Eternals more. Something about Kirby&#8217;s second coming at Marvel that really speaks to me &#8212; it&#8217;s all great stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Jack Kirby&#039;s work.   I also think Gil Kane was a titan not to be trifled with!   Be sure to read Steven Grant&#039;s ongoing discussion in his column (also here at CBR) for a discussion of Kirby, Kane, and Ditko.   Good stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Jack Kirby&#8217;s work.   I also think Gil Kane was a titan not to be trifled with!   Be sure to read Steven Grant&#8217;s ongoing discussion in his column (also here at CBR) for a discussion of Kirby, Kane, and Ditko.   Good stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: Patent Dragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patent Dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just added the Fourth World Omnibus volumes to my Amazon wish-list. Seventies Kirby Cap and The Falcon played an important role in my early interest in comics, so unlike some more recent creators I appreciate the adulation for Kirby. Long may it continue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just added the Fourth World Omnibus volumes to my Amazon wish-list. Seventies Kirby Cap and The Falcon played an important role in my early interest in comics, so unlike some more recent creators I appreciate the adulation for Kirby. Long may it continue!</p>
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		<title>By: Ninjazilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ninjazilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>looking forward to Tezuka next montH!</description>
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		<title>By: tallrobert</title>
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		<dc:creator>tallrobert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It always amazed me how different inkers would mesh with Jack Kirby&#039;s artwork in different ways.
  Don Heck, Vince Colletta, Dick Ayers and Joe Sinnott each brought out different qualities of his work.
  And what always impressed me about Kirby was his ability to draw the common man on the street. 
  During the heydays of his work on The Fantastic Four and Thor, Kirby did crowded street scene of a cross section of people, often commenting and interacting with the characters. 
  Does anyone do that these days?? I thought of that during a scene during the Civil Wars run when Reed Richards and Johnny Storm met in a coffee house. Kirby would have drawn that coffeehouse crowded with people, including a very attractive woman in the foreground. The clothing and hairstyles would have been researched and would show a cross section of people of different ages and classes. Instead, the coffee house was deserted with only Reed and Johnny in the panels...very disappointing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It always amazed me how different inkers would mesh with Jack Kirby&#8217;s artwork in different ways.<br />
  Don Heck, Vince Colletta, Dick Ayers and Joe Sinnott each brought out different qualities of his work.<br />
  And what always impressed me about Kirby was his ability to draw the common man on the street.<br />
  During the heydays of his work on The Fantastic Four and Thor, Kirby did crowded street scene of a cross section of people, often commenting and interacting with the characters.<br />
  Does anyone do that these days?? I thought of that during a scene during the Civil Wars run when Reed Richards and Johnny Storm met in a coffee house. Kirby would have drawn that coffeehouse crowded with people, including a very attractive woman in the foreground. The clothing and hairstyles would have been researched and would show a cross section of people of different ages and classes. Instead, the coffee house was deserted with only Reed and Johnny in the panels&#8230;very disappointing.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Rawley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Rawley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eisner, while no doubt a genius, will get his own entry, I&#039;m sure. This one is about KIRBY! 

As a kid, I hated Kirby, while being strangely attracted by him. I only saw reprints of his FF but the cover of OMAC #1 SCARED THE HELL out of me. Kamandi is a CLASSIC. (I only read Machine Man when Ditko was drawing it.)

In any other artistic field, a guy like Kirby would have streets, towns and stadiums named after him. When Stan Lee FINALLY dies and every obituary calls him &quot;The Creator Of The Marvel Universe:, I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m going to have to stab a lot of obituary writers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eisner, while no doubt a genius, will get his own entry, I&#8217;m sure. This one is about KIRBY! </p>
<p>As a kid, I hated Kirby, while being strangely attracted by him. I only saw reprints of his FF but the cover of OMAC #1 SCARED THE HELL out of me. Kamandi is a CLASSIC. (I only read Machine Man when Ditko was drawing it.)</p>
<p>In any other artistic field, a guy like Kirby would have streets, towns and stadiums named after him. When Stan Lee FINALLY dies and every obituary calls him &#8220;The Creator Of The Marvel Universe:, I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m going to have to stab a lot of obituary writers.</p>
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		<title>By: Boomtuber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boomtuber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice read here, a rapid overview of Kirby&#039;s masterwork mostly from the sixties up. One have to read the early Marvel stuff with an open mind and a minimum of knowledge of the era. Comic book publishing was coming out of a bleak period, business was good again after the big fifties &quot;Wertham&quot; uproar. These early FF&#039;s, Hulks, Avengers, Iron Man&#039;s, Cap&#039;s, X-men&#039;s, Thors and numerous others were the foundations of this multi-billion business that has been called Marvel since. They were wildly imaginative tales meant to be a fun read and make sure one bought the next issue on stand. They were not dark and broody, no. They were exciting and often times thought challenging. They had vocabulary; they were written by a Shakespeare buff, Stan Lee. You could see that in Thor, mainly.

Modern readers may find Stan Lee unbearable to read, but his books were solid sellers, and the work shall remain. The writing was very methodic. Stan, the writer AND editor-in-chief always kept in mind that new readers were jumping aboard whichever the 15 monthlies he was publishing mostly alone until around 1965. Of course, you can&#039;t write like that anymore in the comic field. A lot of water has passed under the bridge.

But Kirby&#039;s imaginative, at times naive tales remain solid, classic superhero storytelling. Also keep in mind that Kirby beefed up the superhero as he augmented and rounded out the muscle volume of his heroes, changing from the lean, athletic type of DC heroes. The dynamism of his splash pages is a lesson in drawing and page composition. Heck, Kirby IS a storytelling school in itself.

To get to know Kirby better, one should get acquainted with The Jack Kiby Collector (TJKC), acclaimed fanzine published by Tomorrows. There are 53 issues now published and most have been collected. 

As for Will Eisner; he hired Kirby in the late thirties at Eisner &amp; Igor, after Jack had left the animation industry (he was an &quot;inbetweener&quot; on Popeye cartoons). So in my book, Eisner is as much a giant as Jack, Shulz and many others who deserve the label of &quot;founding fathers&quot; of this american art form, the comic book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice read here, a rapid overview of Kirby&#8217;s masterwork mostly from the sixties up. One have to read the early Marvel stuff with an open mind and a minimum of knowledge of the era. Comic book publishing was coming out of a bleak period, business was good again after the big fifties &#8220;Wertham&#8221; uproar. These early FF&#8217;s, Hulks, Avengers, Iron Man&#8217;s, Cap&#8217;s, X-men&#8217;s, Thors and numerous others were the foundations of this multi-billion business that has been called Marvel since. They were wildly imaginative tales meant to be a fun read and make sure one bought the next issue on stand. They were not dark and broody, no. They were exciting and often times thought challenging. They had vocabulary; they were written by a Shakespeare buff, Stan Lee. You could see that in Thor, mainly.</p>
<p>Modern readers may find Stan Lee unbearable to read, but his books were solid sellers, and the work shall remain. The writing was very methodic. Stan, the writer AND editor-in-chief always kept in mind that new readers were jumping aboard whichever the 15 monthlies he was publishing mostly alone until around 1965. Of course, you can&#8217;t write like that anymore in the comic field. A lot of water has passed under the bridge.</p>
<p>But Kirby&#8217;s imaginative, at times naive tales remain solid, classic superhero storytelling. Also keep in mind that Kirby beefed up the superhero as he augmented and rounded out the muscle volume of his heroes, changing from the lean, athletic type of DC heroes. The dynamism of his splash pages is a lesson in drawing and page composition. Heck, Kirby IS a storytelling school in itself.</p>
<p>To get to know Kirby better, one should get acquainted with The Jack Kiby Collector (TJKC), acclaimed fanzine published by Tomorrows. There are 53 issues now published and most have been collected. </p>
<p>As for Will Eisner; he hired Kirby in the late thirties at Eisner &amp; Igor, after Jack had left the animation industry (he was an &#8220;inbetweener&#8221; on Popeye cartoons). So in my book, Eisner is as much a giant as Jack, Shulz and many others who deserve the label of &#8220;founding fathers&#8221; of this american art form, the comic book.</p>
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		<title>By: roshambo</title>
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		<dc:creator>roshambo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 03:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ach, he left out &quot;Machine Man&quot;....my first real intro to Kirby before i read the early FF. It was a fun little book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ach, he left out &#8220;Machine Man&#8221;&#8230;.my first real intro to Kirby before i read the early FF. It was a fun little book.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 02:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When there is so much Kirby, and such detailed examinations going on, how someone could position themselves as some sort of authority, yet write:

The Eternals and The Demon have both, as of yet, been unread by me, but I know plenty of folks that regard them very highly.

leaves me stunned by your shallowness. Go back to teaching high school!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When there is so much Kirby, and such detailed examinations going on, how someone could position themselves as some sort of authority, yet write:</p>
<p>The Eternals and The Demon have both, as of yet, been unread by me, but I know plenty of folks that regard them very highly.</p>
<p>leaves me stunned by your shallowness. Go back to teaching high school!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 02:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about Thor?,  man that is some great stuff.  Kirby and his work is Huge, this is to small a sample for Mr. Kriby&#039;s work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Thor?,  man that is some great stuff.  Kirby and his work is Huge, this is to small a sample for Mr. Kriby&#8217;s work.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I wouldn&#039;t recommend picking up at the beginning with FF #1, however. The early issues are certainly entertaining, but the series doesn&#039;t come into full flower until about midway through, say, after issue #30.&quot;
Also disagree.  Much like I disagree with the previous Comic College on Los Bros Hernandez, where the writer suggested skipping the first collection of Jaime&#039;s work (Maggie the Mechanic) and heading straight to the second volume (Girl from HOPPERS).

Just because the first issues/collections aren&#039;t the absolute strongest of the series doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re worth skipping.  Chances are you&#039;ll appreciate the stronger work more once you get to to it.  Going back and reading backwards doesn&#039;t make sense because you&#039;ll probably be let down since you started with the &quot;best&quot; part.  F4 and Locas are epic series that should be read all the way, from beginning to end.

No one suggests skipping the first half hour of a movie just to get the best parts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I wouldn&#8217;t recommend picking up at the beginning with FF #1, however. The early issues are certainly entertaining, but the series doesn&#8217;t come into full flower until about midway through, say, after issue #30.&#8221;<br />
Also disagree.  Much like I disagree with the previous Comic College on Los Bros Hernandez, where the writer suggested skipping the first collection of Jaime&#8217;s work (Maggie the Mechanic) and heading straight to the second volume (Girl from HOPPERS).</p>
<p>Just because the first issues/collections aren&#8217;t the absolute strongest of the series doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re worth skipping.  Chances are you&#8217;ll appreciate the stronger work more once you get to to it.  Going back and reading backwards doesn&#8217;t make sense because you&#8217;ll probably be let down since you started with the &#8220;best&#8221; part.  F4 and Locas are epic series that should be read all the way, from beginning to end.</p>
<p>No one suggests skipping the first half hour of a movie just to get the best parts.</p>
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