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Frank Miller, conservative comment-thread commentator


Frank Miller and Eva Mendes (photo by UGO.com's Dr. Know)

Frank Miller and Eva Mendes (photo by UGO.com's Dr. Know)

He's one of the most influential comics creators of all time (and my personal favorite, might I add), but Frank Miller has kept a pretty low profile since the critical and box-office failure of his adaptation of Will Eisner's The Spirit last Christmas. He's reportedly continued to work on scripts for his Jim Lee collaboration All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder and the sequel to the Sin City film adaptation he co-directed with Robert Rodriguez; and of course there's his long-gestating graphic novel that may or may not be about Batman fighting al Qaeda and may or may not be called Holy Terror, Batman! But whatever he's been up to, he's been up to it incommunicado, turning down requests for interviews.

That's why you may be surprised to discover where he has been publicly speaking, albeit in brief snippets: the blog of neoconservative pundit and military historian Victor Davis Hanson. Hanson and Miller have been friendly for years, with Miller using Hanson's work on ancient Greece as a reference for his Eisner-winning comic 300 and Hanson returning the favor by providing an introduction for 300: The Art of the Film.

Miller's comments at Hanson's online hangout were first widely noticed this week, when the cartoonist and director responded to a Hanson post complaining that pervasive liberal influence and cultural decadence had driven him away from the bulk of American popular entertainment. Miller's comment-thread response encouraged Hanson to take heart, noting the talents of several Sin City, 300, and The Spirit stars, as well as action-franchise leads like Matt Damon, Daniel Craig, and Harrison Ford. Miller went on to invite Hanson to a get-together with the Friends of Abe, a group founded by actor Gary Sinise as a sort of support system for conservatively inclined Hollywood talent.

Doing a little detective work, Comics Commentary's Rodrigo Baeza dug up several more comments from Miller at Hanson's blog. The topics range from the casting of Gabriel Macht in The Spirit's lead role to how "horrible for my country [the then-pending election of Barack Obama] will be" to later asking that people at least give Obama a chance before freaking out to railing against anonymous commenters. (Click over to Baeza's blog for a best-of collection.)

Agree or disagree, Miller's comments (and indeed his very choice of venue) provide an interesting insight into the current state of mind of a comics giant who's been working at more and more of a remove from the ebb and flow of comics culture.


19 Comments

James B Elkins II

October 22, 2009 at 1:25 pm

Current state of mind? More and more of a remove? I submit that this is the same brilliant mind that brought us The Dark Knight. I think that, much like Alan Moore, Frank Miller marches to his own drum beat, choosing to be an island in the "ebb and flow" of comics culture.

Further more... what's your point? That Mr. Miller is a conservative? You've read Dark Knight & 300 and yet you seem to suggest that this is a revelation to you, or that he's changed his tune. Perhaps I mis-read the tone of your article, and in that case I apologize.

However, I do submit that Mr. Miller has repeatedly demonstrated that while he may be of a conservative bent, he is opposed to any rigidly dogmatic philosophy or group. I think thats it.

I always feel pity for anyone who can believe that Obama could be a worse president than either Bush....

That point-of-view tells more about the generator than it does about the subject matter....

Sean T. Collins

October 22, 2009 at 2:05 pm

James: I promise you you mis-read the tone of the article. As I tried to establish in the first paragraph, the point is simply that Miller hasn't spoken to the press in months, so yeah, these comments offer a glimpse into his "current state of mind" that we can't get through interviews, since none exist during that timeframe. It's not his POV that surprised me so much as the simple fact that he's out there talking someplace.

At any rate, I bow to no one in the "I love Frank Miller" sweepstakes. Go ahead and get me started on the genius of The Dark Knight Strikes Again, I dare ya, I double dare ya.

Goodbye, Frank Miller. If the narcissism of All-Star Batman & Robin weren't enough, to find out he's a half-closeted wingnut is enough to forgo any further purchases of his work, past or present.

I had an inkling from the homophobic, and historically incorrect, tone of 300, but this cinches the deal.

Oh, and Pajamas Media is the same organization that hired "Joe the Plummer" to report from Iraq.

Bye, Frank. Enjoy your golden years, fantasizing of your imaginary dreamworld where all women are hookers and all men spit nails.

I was wondering why Sin City and 300 were so good...how greatness actually happened in our age of tired mediocrity and weakness worshipping. Now I know. They were made by a man who still has his balls attached.

I've known that about Miller for quite awhile, even though in MY mind it seems to run counter to what he was doing in The Dark Knight Returns (YMMV on that one, but given how he made Supes a puppet of Reagan's propaganda I'll stand by that assessment)... I don't agree with him on much of anything these days, I'm sure, but it won't take anything away from some of the great work he did in the past. I just think he's lost his mind, as any of his more recent work proves (and I'm throwing Dark Knight Strikes Again in there), and he probably drinks way too much too. Which might be part of the problem, actually.

Then again, I haven't snuggled up with Eva Mendes recently.... That sonuvabitch.

"At any rate, I bow to no one in the "I love Frank Miller" sweepstakes. Go ahead and get me started on the genius of The Dark Knight Strikes Again, I dare ya, I double dare ya."

Taking this bet!

Sean T. Collins

October 22, 2009 at 5:50 pm

You're on! Keep your eye on savagecritic.com ...

If Miller does in fact think that the "neocons" are correct, I disagree with him, a lot. (And i do in fact disagree, a lot, with both Bush *and* Obama, who has retained in his administration many of the neocons who served Bush, and continued many of Bush's most odious policies re: wiretapping, the security state, etc.) But I'd never write off his work because of that disagreement. He's not my enemy. Hurting him doesn't help me or the things I believe in. Ditto for, say, Brian K. Vaughan, even though I understand that his comic Ex Machina embodies other political ideas with which I also disagree. He's not my enemy, either. Shunning him wouldn't elevate the things I value. (And it would rob me of Y: The Last Man, which I greatly enjoy.) I think that anathematizing people who disagree with us only makes us more susceptible to being fooled by the charlatans who pretend to represent our interests; and decreases our understanding of, and empathy towards, other human beings.

This post would be incomplete without noting that Sean T. Collins voted for Bush in 2004.

Ohhhh - I can't wait for the DKSA review on Savage Critics. I am a big defender of the work as well, but my argument always falls apart at the end (like the book).

James B Elkins II

October 23, 2009 at 3:33 pm

Sean: That's cool. I was just saying is all. I'll let you duke it out with david brothers for the "I Love Frank" title. .... and Savage Critic is now in my favorites.

TonyJazz, nice job with your closed-mindedness.

Obama is already far worse than either Bush in a very important area: the deficit.

That is a fact.

""I always feel pity for anyone who can believe that Obama could be a worse president than either Bush..."

Well, if the first nine months is any indication of what is to come, I don't see why anyone would find it hard to believe. Obama has been an absolute embarrassment.

Sean, I don't know if you saw, but I did a two-part DKSA post-mortem here and here. Bring it on.

I just think he's lost his mind, as any of his more recent work proves

Yup, that has been my opinion for a while now. Not sure exactly when his brain asploded (pretty sure it was either on 9/11 or during the Clinton impeachment), but everything he's written since 'Big Guy and Rusty' is just terrible. I was excited for 'All Star Batman', but NOPE, turned out to suck.

But I'd never write off his work because of that disagreement.

Well, no. Plenty of creators I like whose views I don't. But I hate it when I'm looking for a good exciting story, and instead get a barely-disguised political lecture or lame half-assed "allegory" about this modern world of ours and oh my isn't it awful how men aren't real men anymore and on and on and etc.

Cole Moore Odell

October 26, 2009 at 1:40 pm

I for one am shocked that Frank Miller's world view and politics sound like something out of a comic book for pubescent boys. It just doesn't add up.

Irwin: I definitely deserve to be reminded of and shamed for that from time to time, although for some reason it's always by pseudonymous commenters. At least I always put my name to my crazy, stupid, malicious ideas, man.

Miller's politics and opinions are lamentable and a bit repugnant but, at the very least, the guy could find a more constructive outlet than comment-section flame wars.

Use your real name or be known as a coward!! Stand and fight me, sir!!

Anyone want to predict a Zell Miller-style challenge to duel?

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