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	<title>Comments on: Dan DiDio vs. Joe Quesada on &#8220;event fatigue&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s physically exhausting to actually track down all these books and a good reading order, not to talk of the time and money. It’s not just 

I want to find out the deal behind the Red Hulk? I have to have this huge Fall of the Hulks checklist.
I follow a few X-books and long for the second coming of Hope? Huge Second Coming checklist.
I want to see the New Mutants back in action? Huge X-Necrosha checklist.
X-Nation has been great so far but it’s a hard to follow. Uncanny is so good, Legacy is so good, New Mutants is great.

DC handled the situation great with the Batman revamp. The main story was in the main title, readable as one sequence.

A story should &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; start in one title and continue in another, like Kraven’s Last Hunt, The Other, or most of the overlap between Detective/Batman during the nineties. Things like a shared snowstorm or blackout or limbo-invasion is fine. “This story continued in Uncanny Detective #223” is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s physically exhausting to actually track down all these books and a good reading order, not to talk of the time and money. It’s not just </p>
<p>I want to find out the deal behind the Red Hulk? I have to have this huge Fall of the Hulks checklist.<br />
I follow a few X-books and long for the second coming of Hope? Huge Second Coming checklist.<br />
I want to see the New Mutants back in action? Huge X-Necrosha checklist.<br />
X-Nation has been great so far but it’s a hard to follow. Uncanny is so good, Legacy is so good, New Mutants is great.</p>
<p>DC handled the situation great with the Batman revamp. The main story was in the main title, readable as one sequence.</p>
<p>A story should <i>never</i> start in one title and continue in another, like Kraven’s Last Hunt, The Other, or most of the overlap between Detective/Batman during the nineties. Things like a shared snowstorm or blackout or limbo-invasion is fine. “This story continued in Uncanny Detective #223” is not.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think my favorite &quot;crossover&quot; was back in Simonson&#039;s Thor, when the ongoing plot involved the Casket of Ancient Winter being broken, and then you saw unusual snowstorms in several other Marvel books at the time. That was enough to establish a shared universe, but not so much that it disrupted other writers&#039; ability to tell their own stories.&quot;

Having just read the Essential X-men that covers that time period, that sort of thing is just odd.  No context other than &quot;hey, whats going on&quot; and no further explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think my favorite &#8220;crossover&#8221; was back in Simonson&#8217;s Thor, when the ongoing plot involved the Casket of Ancient Winter being broken, and then you saw unusual snowstorms in several other Marvel books at the time. That was enough to establish a shared universe, but not so much that it disrupted other writers&#8217; ability to tell their own stories.&#8221;</p>
<p>Having just read the Essential X-men that covers that time period, that sort of thing is just odd.  No context other than &#8220;hey, whats going on&#8221; and no further explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They&#039;re both right, really. I had a problem with Quesada&#039;s though, because Marvel&#039;s publishing catalogue for 2010 isn&#039;t backing up his words. Yes, Siege should be over before we&#039;re a third of the way through 2010, but X-Men&#039;s got a huge event, there&#039;s some event featuring all the &quot;street-level&quot; heroes...when there&#039;s a family of books this large, even a mini-event is pretty big.&quot;

I disagree.  Where-as every writer needed to know what was going on with Civil War or Secret Invasion, Greg Pak hardly has to worry about the X-men event any more than Mike Carey has to follow the Hulk event.  Its just like going back to the old X-men only type cross-overs they used to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They&#8217;re both right, really. I had a problem with Quesada&#8217;s though, because Marvel&#8217;s publishing catalogue for 2010 isn&#8217;t backing up his words. Yes, Siege should be over before we&#8217;re a third of the way through 2010, but X-Men&#8217;s got a huge event, there&#8217;s some event featuring all the &#8220;street-level&#8221; heroes&#8230;when there&#8217;s a family of books this large, even a mini-event is pretty big.&#8221;</p>
<p>I disagree.  Where-as every writer needed to know what was going on with Civil War or Secret Invasion, Greg Pak hardly has to worry about the X-men event any more than Mike Carey has to follow the Hulk event.  Its just like going back to the old X-men only type cross-overs they used to do.</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 05:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;@ EJ: I&#039;m pretty sure it wasn&#039;t the critics that had a problem with FC. It made most best of lists, and was actually #1 when they released it in trades. Need another example.&quot;

Just because a couple of critics like on here worship at the altar of Morrion doesn&#039;t change facts, hell I was just reading on here how great Morrion&#039;s X-Men run was and that was another debacle.  The facts are that it didn&#039;t live up to the hype with fan or sales wise from Morrison&#039;s own lips he said he would beat Secret Invasion and the sales on FC didn&#039;t stack up. And most fans pretty much made it clear that it was a clusterfuck of an event that really didn&#039;t deliver on any of the promises it made, I know the Morrison kool-aid drinkers are now trying to go back and re-write the past but they&#039;re not fooling anyone FC was a flop in everyway hence why people were fatigued with DC until BN dropped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;@ EJ: I&#8217;m pretty sure it wasn&#8217;t the critics that had a problem with FC. It made most best of lists, and was actually #1 when they released it in trades. Need another example.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just because a couple of critics like on here worship at the altar of Morrion doesn&#8217;t change facts, hell I was just reading on here how great Morrion&#8217;s X-Men run was and that was another debacle.  The facts are that it didn&#8217;t live up to the hype with fan or sales wise from Morrison&#8217;s own lips he said he would beat Secret Invasion and the sales on FC didn&#8217;t stack up. And most fans pretty much made it clear that it was a clusterfuck of an event that really didn&#8217;t deliver on any of the promises it made, I know the Morrison kool-aid drinkers are now trying to go back and re-write the past but they&#8217;re not fooling anyone FC was a flop in everyway hence why people were fatigued with DC until BN dropped.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be interested to see how many entries from the Big Events make it to the &#039;Top 100 Storylines&#039; poll that is going on at Comics Should Be Good. My suspicion is that there won&#039;t be many at all. I don&#039;t think that the mega-crossovers lend themselves to good stories, even if they are big sellers. (Although I certainly recognize comics companies are in the business of selling books, not the business of making &quot;good stories&quot;, whatever those are.)

I think my favorite &quot;crossover&quot; was back in Simonson&#039;s Thor, when the ongoing plot involved the Casket of Ancient Winter being broken, and then you saw unusual snowstorms in several other Marvel books at the time. That was enough to establish a shared universe, but not so much that it disrupted other writers&#039; ability to tell their own stories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be interested to see how many entries from the Big Events make it to the &#8216;Top 100 Storylines&#8217; poll that is going on at Comics Should Be Good. My suspicion is that there won&#8217;t be many at all. I don&#8217;t think that the mega-crossovers lend themselves to good stories, even if they are big sellers. (Although I certainly recognize comics companies are in the business of selling books, not the business of making &#8220;good stories&#8221;, whatever those are.)</p>
<p>I think my favorite &#8220;crossover&#8221; was back in Simonson&#8217;s Thor, when the ongoing plot involved the Casket of Ancient Winter being broken, and then you saw unusual snowstorms in several other Marvel books at the time. That was enough to establish a shared universe, but not so much that it disrupted other writers&#8217; ability to tell their own stories.</p>
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		<title>By: SageShini</title>
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		<dc:creator>SageShini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ EJ: I&#039;m pretty sure it wasn&#039;t the critics that had a problem with FC.  It made most best of lists, and was actually #1 when they released it in trades.  Need another example.

Thanks to Robot6 for bringing this up, since I was going to do the same thing on a forum eventually.  

They&#039;re both right, really.  I had a problem with Quesada&#039;s though, because Marvel&#039;s publishing catalogue for 2010 isn&#039;t backing up his words.  Yes, Siege should be over before we&#039;re a third of the way through 2010, but X-Men&#039;s got a huge event, there&#039;s some event featuring all the &quot;street-level&quot; heroes...when there&#039;s a family of books this large, even a mini-event is pretty big.

You&#039;ve gotta back off ALL the events before you can say event fatigue is real, and that&#039;s why we&#039;re taking a break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ EJ: I&#8217;m pretty sure it wasn&#8217;t the critics that had a problem with FC.  It made most best of lists, and was actually #1 when they released it in trades.  Need another example.</p>
<p>Thanks to Robot6 for bringing this up, since I was going to do the same thing on a forum eventually.  </p>
<p>They&#8217;re both right, really.  I had a problem with Quesada&#8217;s though, because Marvel&#8217;s publishing catalogue for 2010 isn&#8217;t backing up his words.  Yes, Siege should be over before we&#8217;re a third of the way through 2010, but X-Men&#8217;s got a huge event, there&#8217;s some event featuring all the &#8220;street-level&#8221; heroes&#8230;when there&#8217;s a family of books this large, even a mini-event is pretty big.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve gotta back off ALL the events before you can say event fatigue is real, and that&#8217;s why we&#8217;re taking a break.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean T. Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean T. Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deniz, you get at something I tried to express in the post, which is that Marvel&#039;s events are much more comprehensive than DC&#039;s. Blackest Night is the widest-ranging thing DC&#039;s done since the Countdown to Infinite Crisis minis where OMACs would show up here and there, and even BN doesn&#039;t touch every book; by contrast, pretty much every Marvel title reflected the events of Civil War, The Initiative, Secret Invasion, and Dark Reign even if they weren&#039;t expressly labeled as tie-ins. It&#039;s possible DC&#039;s less ambitious &quot;big event&quot; structure is more sustainable than Marvel&#039;s for that reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deniz, you get at something I tried to express in the post, which is that Marvel&#8217;s events are much more comprehensive than DC&#8217;s. Blackest Night is the widest-ranging thing DC&#8217;s done since the Countdown to Infinite Crisis minis where OMACs would show up here and there, and even BN doesn&#8217;t touch every book; by contrast, pretty much every Marvel title reflected the events of Civil War, The Initiative, Secret Invasion, and Dark Reign even if they weren&#8217;t expressly labeled as tie-ins. It&#8217;s possible DC&#8217;s less ambitious &#8220;big event&#8221; structure is more sustainable than Marvel&#8217;s for that reason.</p>
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		<title>By: salamurai</title>
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		<dc:creator>salamurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hit &quot;event fatigue&quot; a couple years ago. And now I feel like I don&#039;t know what&#039;s going on in either company&#039;s superhero universe. Fortunately for me, and bad for them, I don&#039;t care, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hit &#8220;event fatigue&#8221; a couple years ago. And now I feel like I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s going on in either company&#8217;s superhero universe. Fortunately for me, and bad for them, I don&#8217;t care, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Deniz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deniz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the thing is, it doesn&#039;t look like Marvel is stopping events. Their &#039;mini events&#039; seem to be about as big as, say, Final Crisis was for DC, at least in terms of the event itself (the lead ups being some two or three years of the ongoings that preceded them). 

Linewide events, I agree, can be really tiresome...but only because a single premise (heroes, villains and loved ones come back from the dead!) can only sustain so many different stories. I&#039;ll be honest -- I&#039;m tired of that already. If you limit those events in scope and scale a little, you&#039;re good to go. 

Whatever, I&#039;m on board for a lot of the stuff both companies are putting out, we&#039;ll see how it goes. They&#039;ve both got some most excellent talent on deck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the thing is, it doesn&#8217;t look like Marvel is stopping events. Their &#8216;mini events&#8217; seem to be about as big as, say, Final Crisis was for DC, at least in terms of the event itself (the lead ups being some two or three years of the ongoings that preceded them). </p>
<p>Linewide events, I agree, can be really tiresome&#8230;but only because a single premise (heroes, villains and loved ones come back from the dead!) can only sustain so many different stories. I&#8217;ll be honest &#8212; I&#8217;m tired of that already. If you limit those events in scope and scale a little, you&#8217;re good to go. </p>
<p>Whatever, I&#8217;m on board for a lot of the stuff both companies are putting out, we&#8217;ll see how it goes. They&#8217;ve both got some most excellent talent on deck.</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan is right event fatigue is code for that event sucks, look at FC it didn&#039;t light up the charts in sales and wasn&#039;t critically praised overall it was a disapointment and DC moved quickly to forget about it. Now with BN, it&#039;s gettting great sales and the fans are digging it so it&#039;s grown and expanded and been the biggest hit DC has had since Infinite Crisis. People only complain about events when they suck sadly most of them have but when they are done right there is no fatigue just great buzz and hype for your company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan is right event fatigue is code for that event sucks, look at FC it didn&#8217;t light up the charts in sales and wasn&#8217;t critically praised overall it was a disapointment and DC moved quickly to forget about it. Now with BN, it&#8217;s gettting great sales and the fans are digging it so it&#8217;s grown and expanded and been the biggest hit DC has had since Infinite Crisis. People only complain about events when they suck sadly most of them have but when they are done right there is no fatigue just great buzz and hype for your company.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Brut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Brut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan Didio kicked my puppy in the face! Joe Quesada is a veterinarian and fixed him up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan Didio kicked my puppy in the face! Joe Quesada is a veterinarian and fixed him up!</p>
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		<title>By: Myron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These points of views describes the difference between someone who has been involved in the comic book industry at various levels for many, many years (Quesada) vs someone who has cut his teeth in other industries before becoming a comic book industry executive (Didio). Quesada has been in the industry long enough to learn from history while Didio don&#039;t have that same history so he believes he is able to run from history.

Time will tell who is right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These points of views describes the difference between someone who has been involved in the comic book industry at various levels for many, many years (Quesada) vs someone who has cut his teeth in other industries before becoming a comic book industry executive (Didio). Quesada has been in the industry long enough to learn from history while Didio don&#8217;t have that same history so he believes he is able to run from history.</p>
<p>Time will tell who is right.</p>
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		<title>By: Debaser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debaser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DiDio nailed what event fatigue is. When you&#039;re just putting out event after event after event with no build-up and no real payoff, that shit is going to get tiring very fast.

But, when you have some real building time like Geoff Johns has had with Blackest Night, then that&#039;s when things start getting interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DiDio nailed what event fatigue is. When you&#8217;re just putting out event after event after event with no build-up and no real payoff, that shit is going to get tiring very fast.</p>
<p>But, when you have some real building time like Geoff Johns has had with Blackest Night, then that&#8217;s when things start getting interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Ortiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ortiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Event fatigue is real, events are fun, well, most of them, but I&#039;m tired of tie-ins and minis and stuff like that, I want comics like Thor or Captain America, with little interaction with the &#039;outside world&#039;, IMO Marvel and DC should  make &#039;an event&#039; every 2 or 3 years, that sounds good. Let&#039;s see what happens with those mini-events Marvel has planned for 2010, I don&#039;t think that&#039;s a solution, but definitely, it&#039;s better than a big event.

Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Event fatigue is real, events are fun, well, most of them, but I&#8217;m tired of tie-ins and minis and stuff like that, I want comics like Thor or Captain America, with little interaction with the &#8216;outside world&#8217;, IMO Marvel and DC should  make &#8216;an event&#8217; every 2 or 3 years, that sounds good. Let&#8217;s see what happens with those mini-events Marvel has planned for 2010, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a solution, but definitely, it&#8217;s better than a big event.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pray for the day I can buy and read a single run by a creative team on any comic book title that&#039;s self-contained and stands on its own independent of any other titles.  Sure, there are a few titles out there like that, but they don&#039;t necessarily have the characters and/or the writers and artists I&#039;m interested in -- because the characters and/or the writers and artists I&#039;m interested in are all tied up with some damn event -- over and over again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pray for the day I can buy and read a single run by a creative team on any comic book title that&#8217;s self-contained and stands on its own independent of any other titles.  Sure, there are a few titles out there like that, but they don&#8217;t necessarily have the characters and/or the writers and artists I&#8217;m interested in &#8212; because the characters and/or the writers and artists I&#8217;m interested in are all tied up with some damn event &#8212; over and over again!</p>
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