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Booted from Southwest Airlines flight, ‘way fat’ Kevin Smith fights back

Kevin Smith: "Look how fat I am on your plane!"

Kevin Smith: "Look how fat I am on your plane!"

The most entertaining reading of the weekend wasn’t, surprisingly enough, the continued overblown response to Captain America #602 but rather Kevin Smith’s Twitter crusade against Southwest Airlines after he was removed from a flight for, well, being too fat.

It all started on Saturday after the filmmaker and comics writer, who according to the airline had purchased two seats for a flight from Oakland to Burbank, California, changed his plans, opting for an earlier flight. That meant Smith was flying standby on a plane that, by the time he boarded, had only one seat available.

Shortly thereafter is when the problem, and the subsequent public-relations headache, began. Let’s mark the starting time at 7:52 p.m. Pacific on Saturday, when Smith fired the first volley: “Dear @SouthwestAir – I know I’m fat, but was Captain Leysath really justified in throwing me off a flight for which I was already seated?”

“I flew out in one seat, but right after issuing me a standby ticket, Oakland Southwest attendant Suzanne (wouldn’t give last name) told me Captain Leysath deemed me a ‘safety risk,’” Smith continued. “Again: I’m way fat … But I’m not THERE just yet. But if I am, why wait til my bag is up, and I’m seated WITH ARM RESTS DOWN. In front of a packed plane with a bunch of folks who’d already I.d.ed me as ‘Silent Bob.’ So, @SouthwestAir, go fuck yourself. I broke no regulation, offered no ‘safety risk’ (what, was I gonna roll on a fellow passenger?). I was wrongly ejected from the flight (even Suzanne eventually agreed). And fuck your apologetic $100 voucher, @SouthwestAir. Thank God I don’t embarrass easily (bless you, JERSEY GIRL training). But I don’t sulk off either: so everyday, some new fuck-you Tweets for @SouthwestAir.”

But that, of course, was only the beginning.

Smith boarded another Southwest flight, where he took the above photo: “Look how fat I am on your plane! Quick! Throw me off!” And after his flight landed: “I’ve landed in Burbank. Don’t worry: wall of the plane was opened & I was airlifted out while Richard Simmons supervised.”

Southwest, or rather the poor person assigned to weekend PR/customer-relations duties, responded both on Twitter and on its Nuts About Southwest blog, whose server was bogged down by traffic from the dust-up.

“First and foremost, to Mr. Smith; we would like to echo our Tweets and again offer our heartfelt apologies to you,” Southwest’s Christi Day wrote. “We are sincerely sorry for your travel experience on Southwest Airlines.”

Day went on to explain that Smith was ejected by the pilot under the airline’s decades-old “Customers of Size” policy: “Our pilots are responsible for the Safety and comfort of all Customers on the aircraft and therefore, made the determination that Mr. Smith needed more than one seat to complete his flight. Our Employees explained why the decision was made, accommodated Mr. Smith on a later flight, and issued him a $100 Southwest travel voucher for his inconvenience.”

Smith, though, doesn’t seem interested in an apology: “Hey @SouthwestAir? Fuck making it right for me just ’cause I have a platform. I sat next to a big girl who was chastised for not buying an extra ticket because ‘all passengers deserve their space.’ Fucking flight wasn’t even full! Fuck your size-ist policy. Rude …”

The filmmaker also addressed the voucher: “Articles say I was given $100 @SouthwestAir voucher. It was OFFERED: the way a john tosses a hooker a c-note after a hate-fucking. Said no.”

And so the crusade continues …

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i do not Blame Kevin for being ticked off and also refusing south west offer of a voucher for after all he got thrown off his flight after he paid money for it because he happens to bet a certain size . and when he let his opinion over his treatment known the airline trying to do damage control only offers his a voucher instead of a oh we are so sorry we kicked you off and caused you public humilation due to your figure. here have a voucher. do not blame kevin for telling them to stick their voucher.

South West should have been thrilled to have Kevin Smith on their flight instead of giving him a hard time. Rude. They should have offered him First Class or the co-pilots seat! The planes practically fly themselves.

Does he kind of look like Adam Duritz from the Counting Crows in that photo?

Anyone who has flown and experienced the distress caused by obese passengers to other passengers who are already uncomfortable in their seats will find no sympathy for this spoiled millionaire’s grievances.

Guess what, Kevin Smith? You’re obese. Morbidly obese. So much so that your hypocrisy is also detailed online as you boasted on Twitter that you recently broke a toilet seat because of your obscene poundage.

Add to that your whining because you couldn’t wait for the flight where you purchased two tickets to hold your girth and tried to squeeze yourself into one seat on an earlier one and you come across as a pathet!c half-celebrity who can’t even deal with such an embarrassing incident on his own and has to tell the world via Twitter.

There are real problems in the world. Even real consumer problems that are far more pressing than a disgustingly indulged and obese half-celebrity who can’t own up to his own excesses.

What a fool.

The Ugly American

February 15, 2010 at 8:16 am

I fly Southwest expressly because I don’t wanna sit next to no fatties.

I suspect this story hits a lot of comic book fans right where it hurts — somewhere in that ambiguous fatty region that used to be guts and lower titties.

Kevin Smith is an asshole, so I laughed when I first read this, but the airline definitely screwed up here.

A c-note after a Hate fuck—a metaphor I shall never forget…Henry Miller sticking a sous note on a hooker…also a metaphor worth remembering.

This is, of course, only a small part of the story.

I found it particularly informative to note the following details, which were left out of CBR’s coverage:

1. Kevin Smith originally purchased TWO tickets for JUST himself.

2 Kevin Smith asked to fly standby on an earlier flight for the same airline.

3. Kevin Smith was told there would only be ONE standby seat available for him, prior to boarding.

If Kevin Smith didn’t think he was so big that he needed two seats, and would cause a hazard to
someone by taking just one, right next to someone else, WHY did he initially buy TWO?

Why does he keep omitting the fact?

And yeah, when you fly standby with _any_ airline, you take what you can get – he didn’t pay for two
seats on the earlier flight, and he got refunded the ticket for the extra seat.

God I wish Southwest flew out of Atlanta. I’m sick to death of getting stuck next to fat guys who smell like ass and take up 2 seats.

Consider it karmic payback for Dogma and Jersey Girl Ton of Fun.

“I found it particularly informative to note the following details, which were left out of CBR’s coverage:”

Did you read the second paragraph?

GO listen to his new SMODcast for the full story.

Hey Kevin!

Just lose some weight.

It’s actually good for you, your family who loves you and want to see you live as long as possible and those friends that have your back but aren’t brave enough to tell you to eat better and exercise.

I’m an overweight guy, myself, and I’m all with Kevin on this. I saw this on the news last night. It pissed me off that they did that to him.

Maybe it’s because Kevin Smith is a hack. I’m cool if southwest has a “no hack” policy.

Lance:

You’re “all with Kevin” because you’re admittedly obese and have no respect for people with self control who prefer to experience a flight without your blubber resting in their lap.

We all know Kevin Smith is the patron saint of fat, smelly comic book guys who give the hobby a bad name but that doesn’t make his behavior – or yours – acceptable.

Thank you Southwest, for caring about your customers and not subjecting them to sharing their seats with greasy guts.

I’ve had the displeasure of flying SouthWest in the past and never will again… they have been, in my vast experience, the biggest bunch of assholes when it comes to airlines…. and my issues had nothing to do with weight… but more to do with the way they handle ticketing – and the really sick attitude displayed by their employees towards paying customers. I’m not the biggest Kevin Smith fan in the world… but the way they treated him is a bit ridiculous… if they had a problem with his size, they shouldn’t have ticketed him in the first place.

And thank you, TopJack, for being an intolerant piece of shit, talking all kinds of nonsense from the safety of behind your computer screen. I hope you choke on the next salad you eat, oh glorious skinny person.

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Maybe he buys two seats because he doesn’t like irritating people sitting next to him?
If I could afford it, I would too.

The real reason the Capt. kicked him off was cuz he’s a comic fan and was pissed at Kevin for his chronic lateness. (Ewww, a ‘chronic’ joke!)

Poor Ben and Sean:

In addition to being obese and disrespectful of people with self control who prefer to take flights without your b!tch tits hanging in their face, you’re also pathetically unclever and have no excuse for your hairyfat god Kevin Smith other than Southwest airlines are mean to fatties.

Grow up, take the Double Whopper out of your ears and realize customers who can control their eating habits don’t deserve to have your b!tch tits in their face when they pay good money for a comfortable flight.

Such spoiled and indulged children you are.

Fuck you TopJack and the rest of you assholes who can’t get the story right. He wanted to get home earlier and they only had one seat, so he took it. He fit well within the weight guidelines (I work for an airline), he was able to lower both armrests with no problem, and he was able to buckle up with no extender. BTW I am 6’0″ and 180lbs so it is not only fat people who side with Smith. What Southwest did was inexcusable.

I’m not on either side but I empathe’size’ with both.

Still, Bruce Vilanch couldn’t write better comedy than some of the posts I’ve read here.

No clayr, Southwest cares about its customers a d doesn’t subject them to obese people spilling into their seats. People pay good mney for a comfortable flight and should not have to pinch their shoulders and lean forward for hours due to the lack of self control a d selfishess of obese people who should rightfully pay for two seats.

If you want to eat for two, then you’ll have to fly for two.

Such disrespectful babies you are.

Did you not even read my post? As I stated, HE WAS WELL WITHIN GUIDELINES. I don’t want to be stuck next to someone spilling over either, but that does not apply here since Smith was not spilling over. They measure by seeing if you can put your armrests down without touching your sides and guess what Kevin Smith passed that test, so no matter what you say your argument has no grounds in this situation.

Anyone who has ever had the experience of flying next to some lard butt understands how southwest should be applauded. There is nothing worse than being held captive by a moving wall of blubber for which there is no escape.

No clayr, that’s what he says. The professionals at Southwest saw otherwise and removed him in consideration for the safety and comfort of fellow passengers.

Not to mention he purchased two seats for his original flight because he’s obese and bragged that his weight broke a toilet seat.

Too bad his two tall tales contradict each other.

Advice for you: just because an attention-craving pseudo-celebrity says something on Twitter doesn’t make it true.

The Ugly American

February 15, 2010 at 12:10 pm

Man, can you imagine breaking a toilet seat?

I figure it would just have gone missing after he got up.

I agree with TopJack, in sentiment if not in his actual verbiage. Kevin Smith has his fine points, but he also tends toward being vulgar and self-indulgent quite often. Southwest Airlines has a far better customer service history than any other airline, so I tend to believe their side of this sordid mess more so then Mr. Smith’s. Just because you can manage to slide a couple of armrests down past an over abundance of body tissue (with or without grease) doesn’t mean it’s an easy fit, or that it comes without cost to the person beside you. It wouldn’t surprise me if that “easy fit” someone mentioned earlier wasn’t more along the lines of a really hard lean to the left, pushing the armrest down, and then being glad the rest wasn’t even with the more ample girth a couple inches higher.

Oh, and that “Hate Fuck” comment. Really tacky, but then who’s surprised. Sounds like it came from the mouth (fingers) of someone with experience.

Wow what a smug little douche you are. You must not know Kevin Smith, I know how big he is, and I also know the size at which a person is considered too fat for one seat on an airline (I work for an airline, remember) I know for a fact he falls within the guidelines. The only reason he bought two seats for his original flight was because he likes his privacy and the seats are cheap. It is well known that he has been doing that for years. I agree that if you are above the weight that the flight manual deems unsafe for flight you should have to purchase an additional ticket, but in this case SW were in the wrong.

Are you his doctor, clayr? His Jenny Craig counselor? His lover?

You have no idea what he weighs. Southwest Airlines had an idea, though, and put the safety and conmfort of it’s passengers before that of this spoiled, toilet-wrecking pig.

I think we’re losing perspective here.

- Michelle Obama recently launched a campaign against what we call “the obesity epidemic” in America
- The newest American character in the new Street Fighter games, Rufus, is ridiculously obese. He’s also characterized as a jerk.
- In stories of all kinds, not just comics, the premise of a “morbidly” obese villain is a well-explored concept. The reference to gluttony as a deadly sin is so obvious that it’s almost insultingly simple.
- Instead of trying to make another “Law and Order” spinoff, NBC continues to film “The Biggest Loser”, and it’s making them lots of money.

That said, what does art say about life, and vice versa?

I believe it means that obesity in our country, and increasingly in the world, is a problem. I believe that society’s view of the problem heretofore is that this is an individual problem bred of a “lack of self-control” or outright gluttony. However, as the population of medically-diagnosed obese people increases such that it creates a larger burden on society, our culture is drawing the conclusion that we the people must impose upon the individual persons certain “restrictions” and “punishments” if they cannot control themselves. In effect, you can be as fat as you want until there are so many fat people that it makes life difficult on the rest of us. We thus reach a point at which the relationship becomes confrontational. Meanwhile, there are lots of people out there who genuinely want to do something about their problem. However, they’re too afraid to step into a gym or get help because they’re afraid we’ll laugh or stare at them.

Kevin Smith was publicly embarrassed in an antagonistic fashion. Instead of admitting that he has a problem, whether it’s genetic or self-control related, he’s instead become hostile and acted in opposition of what would be in his own best interests. We haven’t done anything to solve the problem– we’ve only made it worse.

Orson Welles, Marlon Brando, and John Candy were all great entertainers and storytellers that died from the complications of extreme bodyfat composition. That’s tragic, because what we all lose from that is their creative contributions. I feel the same way about Kevin Smith. Oprah Winfrey is fighting the same battle.

Calling each other “fat pig” and “skinny skinhead” on here doesn’t do anything to solve the problem. If you’re in the “obese” category, forget about how people look at you or whether you fit in an airline seat– worry more about how you look at yourself and how you fit in your life. The next time you’re next to someone who’s incredibly overweight, think about what it must be like to walk a mile in that person’s shoes before you say something to them; it will probably cause you to realize that there’s a lot more burden that goes along with their appearance than just the weight.

Our battle against obesity is one of convincing people to adopt a healthier lifestyle. That means we have to lure them toward it and sell them on its benefits. Obama got voted into office on a campaign of “Hope” and “Change”. Bin Laden recruits new warriors every day by advertising he’s winning. Phil Jackson has more championship rings than he has fingers because he convinces his players of the power of his “winning zen”. There’s a big gap between “win” and “don’t lose”.

A more positive campaign will do a lot more good for a lot more people. As for Mister Smith, I hope he sees the benefit in embracing his “enemy” and doing something to affect positive change for both himself and Southwest.

TopJack- Sounds like you work for this airline. Your an ass. Not everything is about you. …People like you are whats wrong with America. Not every overweight person is fat and happy. Some people have very slow metabolisms. Freaking jerk. Kevin Smith is a great writer, probably one of the best writers of dialogue of our time. Screw you for acting like a jealous twit.

Good for you kevin sticking up for yourself and all bigger people who have been looked down upon by jerk airlines. They have attacked us they are jerks. Another reason I am glad I almost never have to fly anywhere.

Smith tells what he weighs all the time jackass. If you want the real story of what happened listen to smodcast 106. Or does Southwest not let you download from your workstation.

If Kevin Smith is “one of the best writers of dialogue of our time,” then dramatic writing as a medium is beyond all redemption.

Me:

Unfortunately, Kevin Smith’s problem isn’t a slow metabolism but his fast dashes to Carls Jr.

This has nothing to do with whether Kevin Smith is “fat and happy.” The comfort and value of people who pay good money not to spend hours sharing their seats with someone else’s blubber is the issue. Sadly, Kevin Smith can’t see that the problem isn’t a great company like Southwest Airlines but his uncontrollable appetite and sense of pseudo-celebrity entitlement.

His dubious “dialogue” abilities do not give him the right to make other people uncomfortable or devalue their flying experience.

Please remove your obsequious fanboy hat and realize your favorite obese celebrity isn’t entitled to infringe on the rights of others.

@clayr

Gotta love the hypocrisy, telling some guy he is some shill for the corporation when your “true” source of info is the guy on the other end who is angry as hell for getting the boot.

Clayr:

So the entire basis of your defense are the words of Kevin Smith. Such objectivity.

I can think of one toilet seat that would care to disagree. If it wasn’t shattered.

And let’s find your objectivity, oh wait you have none. You assume because the man has extra weight that southwest was justified in humiliating a paying costumer. I do like Kevin Smith, as a writer/director, and as a person who has been no less than honest and candid with his audience. You say I am taking his word over that of a company whose sole interest in this matter is to cover its ass, your damn right. That is a lot more logical than you and mecline immediately jumping to the defense of southwest, who has much more of a reason to bend the truth than Kevin Smith does. Oh, and thanks for bringing up the toilet seat story, which only proves how candid Smith is with his audience. You wouldn’t even know that story if not for how open Smith is about his life.

I think people should be thrown off of life for “tweeting”.

TopJack: “Poor Ben and Sean:

Grow up, take the Double Whopper out of your ears”
……………………………………………………………………………..

Watch out, TopJack. Ben Gebhart doesn’t like Whopper jokes. Trust me, I know…

clayr:

Your logic is nonexistent.

You’re blinded by fanboy loyalty instead of contemplating that someone who admittedly broke a toilet seat due to their excessive weight might not fit in an airline seat.

Unfortunately for Smith, his candor makes him look like a hypocrite. And you like a drooling fool.

I have a question: why is this news HERE?

You know, it doesn’t matter if the person in question is Kevin Smith or Ghandi. And it isn’t a matter of society coming down unfairly on “poor fat people.” Southwest didn’t instutute this rule because some corporate exec hates “fatties,” they instituted it because it simply isn’t fair that people should be forced to endure an uncomfortable flight simply because luck of the draw placed them beside someone that was obese. The “inside the armrest rule” is a guideline, not the eleventh commandment. If Mr. Smith’s bulk caused him to take up part of his neighbor’s space, Southwest simply saw to it someone else wasn’t inconvenienced.

In my opinion, Smith is tarnishing his reputation through his current antics. I’d think so whether I was thin or fat.

“I have a question: why is this news HERE?”

Because Kevin Smith is a comic book writer — Batman: The Widening Gyre, The Green Hornet and countless other comics projects grace his resume.

I just want to know why TopJack thinks Ben and I would waste a delicious Double Whopper by putting it in our ears.

Jeez TopJack did Kevin Smith fuck your mother or something?
So much hate…lol

In re JK Parkin:

That’s the entire point: Once you’ve read that second paragraph, the rest is prettymuch just acknowledging that Kevin Smith decided to use a bully pulpit to whine.

I’m not a fanboy, you’re just an intolerant bigoted asshole. I would be just as outraged if it was an ordinary citizen who was within the weight limit getting thrown off a plane. Where in this story are you idiots seeing that he was making anyone sitting near him uncomfortable. Sorry but your the one with whose got a logic issue since your obvious hatred of fat people is blinding you to the facts of this story. I think it’s funny that the only thing you can say is “you’re a fanboy, that’s why you’re siding with Smith”. So, does that mean if Southwest has a fan site you’re a hardcore member.

Of course, Kevin Smith will continue to book flights via Southwest. But next time, he won’t ask for standby consideration. And he’ll book three seats instead of two… because though his bags fly free, his ego doesn’t.

“Where in this story are you idiots seeing that he was making anyone sitting near him uncomfortable. ”

It’s called reading between the lines. It’s simply horrible business sense to remove someone from a seat that isn’t causing an issue. Kevin Smith was removed. Ergo, regardless of two armrests imbedded in his hips, he was big enough to cause a problem for his neighbor.

If he blogs or tweets or Burps details that specifically say his entire bulk was well within his own seat space, that his mid-section didn’t rest over the armrests or the outsides of his arms didn’t break into the invisible plane of his neighbors space 9space that person paid for, by the way), then maybe I’ll give him more credence.

I bet you money he’ll never say that, though.

clayr:

You’re being disingenuous.

I have stated countless reasons why Kevin Smith was rightfully thrown off of Southwest Airlines and how childish and hypocritical his rants are.

You choose not to listen, less the fat martyr card forgets to get played.

Anyone can choose to be whatever weight they want. But they have to play by the rules, pseudo-celebrity or not.

Again, if you want to eat for two, you have to fly for two. No one should be inconvenienced or made uncomfortable due to the poor lifestyle choices of others.

Whether SW Airlines is in the wrong or Kevin Smith is in the wrong, I cannot say. All I know is that I’m glad this sort of thing will never happen to my favorite obesse celebrity, Santa Claus, cause he doesn’t have to rely on the airlines for transportation.

I assume that TopJack is a PR slug for Southwest. Obviously, everything they say is true.

Unless you were on the flight, you are talking out of your ass.

Do you think they plopped Kevin Smith on the baggage scale before he boarded? Probably not. Then the pilot had no idea how much he weighed. His decision was arbitrary at best.
Contrary to what you seem to believe, pilots are not always right. Everyone likes to defer to their expertise and feed their god complex, but they aren’t infallible.

For every pilot that can safely ditch in the Hudson River, there is another one who insists on landing in nasty cross winds, against the advice of the tower and crashing into a Toronto ravine.

Kevin Smith was pissed & vented. Apparently, that hurt your feelings.

And before you reply with some vitiolic crap, I’ve never met Kevin Smith.

Airlines are looking for anything these days to gouge the consumer. Some charge a premium for additional leg room. By your logic that makes anyone over 5’9″ a self indulgent ass wipe.

Then there’s the issue of congested seating that is causing blod clots in people on overly long flights, particularly in the elderly. Aw who cares about them anyway. They’ve paid their bills & provided you with an education, fuck em.

Do you think the airlines reduced the number of seats in the cabin because of altruistic reasons? They did it to stave off litigation.

The airlines adopt the “two seat” policy because they probably hear more complaints about obese people than from obese people.

Apparently you have a problem with obese people. Perhaps you used to be one yourself & lost the weight to suck your own dick. Maybe you’re a closet “chubby chaser” and your friends found out & teased you about it.

Whatever the case, get over yourself.

Dickhead.

Sorry but you have not named countless reasons he was rightfully thrown off, all you doing is muttering the same regurgitated rants that all the other fat haters are spewing. So, I’ll lay it out. He was within their guidelines, no one around him complained, they confronted him after he was boarded and seated (which is against policy), and there was someone much fatter than he who was allowed to stay on the plane. He has every right to be pissed, end of story. You have nothing to refute any of that.

Fat guy, rude guy/lady who assumes all armrests are belong to them, kids who kick the back of your seat and the parents who don’t reprimand them. If all these people are not kicked off the plane, then none of em should be. This is not nearly as bad as being kicked off for speaking Arabic though.

Ian Kirk:

Your tirade/argument is pure sophistry.

Elderly people, “chubby chasers” and “god complex” pilots have zero relevance to the situation. Just desperate ad hominem attacks that discredit any point you were attempting – and failed – to make.

Obese Kevin Smith purchased two tickets for a flight, was impatient and found space on an earlier flight with one seat, the professionals at Southwest Airlines determined that his excessive girth violated airline rules and impeded the comfort of other passengers and placed him on a subsequent flight where he could spill into multiple seats.

Kevin Smith then threw a hissy fit because he had to play by the same rules as other passengers and whined to the world, defending his girth while he previously boasted that his weight was so excessive he destroyed a toilet.

This might be difficult for you to comprehend without childish rants about “chubby chasers” but is indeed what happened by all accounts.

Sadly, you accuse a responsible pilot of a “god complex” while defending a pseudo-celebrity who cries to the world because he has to play by the rules.

Irony escapes you. As do any argumentative skills.

Welcome to the latest installment of “Corporate Shills from Hell versus Fanboy Geeks with Calloused Hands.” In this issue we pit Southwest Airlines and those that side with them against Kevin Smith and his followers. Geesh…

This is getting to be as polarized as anything in U.S. politics.

Regardless, I find it hard to believe that a pilot would toss a paying customer if there weren’t valid reason. I don’t find it hard to believe that an overweight patron would deny a weight issue and use his notoriety as a pullpit — knowing full well how limited said airline would be in being able to engage in a realistic rebuttal.

I wish Southwest could simply come out and say, “Yeah, he was able to squeeze his fat ass between the armrests. It was the 100 pounds of lard that took up 1/4 of the seat beside him that caused the problem.” But they can’t because of the grief, so Kevin wins. I’m about to the point that I’ll never watch another Smith movie or read another Smith book simply because he’s being so childish.

clayr:

Your desperate fanboyism based solely on the words of admitted toilet-destroyer Kevin Smith are devoid of logic, critical thinking and display how sad celebrity worship is.

If you are obese yourself, this sad defense of Kevin Smith is only an attempt to rationalize your own poor lifestyle choices.

Sorry, but fat people have to play by the same rules as everyone else. No one should be inconvenienced because you freebase Big Macs. Your blubber doesn’t make you special, a ‘victim” or a protected class.

TopJack… Okay, I even have to call a time out, here. You’re burying your very valid points about Smith’s possible guilt and childish behavior beneath a dog pile of name-calling. Even if your base arguments hold water (and you’ve probably seen from my earlier posts I think they do), you’re derailing them. Everyone’s concentrating more on how you’re saying it than what you’re saying. No way to win an argument, dude.

Dalghryn:

The elephant is the room that isn’t being addressed is that Kevin Smith epitomizes the aesthetic of a stereotypical comic reader – obese, reeking of b.o. and unkept.

This story hits too close to home for many posting here: if Kevin Smith, the Zeus of obese, unkept comic lovers, can be thrown off a plane because of his destructive lifestyle choices, what hope do they have?

This intellectual dishonesty, at the expense of a reputable company actually performing a service for its customers who play by the rules, should be addressed in an honest fashion.

Nothing against Kevin Smith but this is not a story Comicbookresource should run. If this was a different writer oro artist was wasn’t as high caliber I doubt this would be a story.

Honest is one thing, but you’re making assumptions about other people that post here that may or may not be accurate. Those assumptions are derailing the main point. You’re also using a very unpopular stereotype as a debate tool for forwarding your argument — a guaranteed method of distracting people from the main points. Intellectual honesty is a noble goal, but it can also be used as a term that camoflagues cruelty.

Your debate style is yours to do with as you like. I gotta admit, though, even as someone who sees your ponts and agrees with them — it’s turning me off, too. Just saying.

Actually mike mignola is my Zeus. Why deal in stereotypes? Most comic book nerds I know are scrawny to average, and while I know the Simpson’s comic book guy is what people like to think of, it’s just another bullshit stereotype. Meh, energy being diverted elsewhere.

Yes, Kevin Smith is overweight, but as he points out he isn’t King Kong. Jorge Garcia flies back and forth from Hawaii to LA frequently, and he’s never been thrown off a plane. Neither has Dan Slott.

Kevin Smith is 217lbs. That’s about twelve pounds more than me. Nobody in real life could ever tell I weigh that much because I’m six feet tall, and Kevin is five-seven.

Furthermore, this has done nothing to bolster Southwest’s reputation. Their planes are terribly uncomfortable, their flight schedules are constantly altered due to delays of various kinds, and they have some of the worst pilots in the industry.

I say go Kevin. Sue the pants off these motherfuckers, then write a movie about it. They picked the wrong guy to mess with.

Yeah, I still am not sure why I should care, just because he’s done a few comics.

I’m hardly svelte, and I can fit into one Southwest Airlines seat without spilling over onto someone’s laptop.

The answer is simple: make more money and buy your own coprporate jet, or lose some weight and lay off the marijuana.

My useless two cents.

Also, “217 lbs.” my big @#s.

Most guys drop a few pounds off their weight and add a few inches to their height.

Kevin Smith is not “most guys”, Hysan, and has always told it like it is (check out his Evening with Kevin Smith DVDs). Kevin was very clearly not spilling over onto anyone else’s personal space as he had the armrests down.

I’m not that shocked to hear this, though. Every time I’ve been forced to fly Southwest since 9/11, they’ve basically searched the bags of every single one of my traveling companions because of some kind of “watch list” or “profile”, constantly causing missed flights. No other airline has ever done that to us.

holy crap this got out of control.
after reading both the article and all the comments, the only thing i can definitely be sure of, is that topjack is a dick.
now, im not on the side of either Smith of Southwest, so theres no reason to insult my opinions, especially since my only opinion is that TOPJACK IS A DICK.
after reading all the comments i saw that topjack is at once, against insulting people for stupid reasons, and at the same time, all for insulting everyone on here who doesnt agree with him.
TOPJACK IS A DICK
TOPJACK IS A DICK
TOPJACK IS A DICK
TOPJACK IS A DICK
TOPJACK IS A DICK
TOPJACK IS A DICK.

Ok. I still don’t buy it.

Like I said, I’m hardly svelte….maybe we have different body types…I’m guessing I’m a *bit* more active than Mr. Smith (which is not me tooting my own horn or anything, I’m hardly an Olympic class runner or something)….and I’ve never been discriminated against for my weight on a flight.

I guess I’d have more sympathy if he were actually someone who would be put out by this, maybe someone living on a fixed income?

As it is, not so much. Sorry, I’m not trying to be mean.

Dalghryn:
Might I ask, what exactly are TopJack’s base arguments? All I can glean from his hateful crap is that
a) Kevin Smith is clearly lying, I mean, he has to be,
b) Southwest must be telling the complete truth and are in the right, they’re “a great company,”
oh and primarily,
c) he hates fat people.
You can’t call a human being a “greasy gut” and expect to be taken seriously as anything but a hateful bigot.

TopJack:
“Anyone can choose to be whatever weight they want.” Complete and utter bullshit. Talk to any medical professional. That is simply false information. Not anyone CAN be whatever weight they choose to be. Many individuals exercise great self control and effort and still struggle with their weight their entire lives. There are legitimate medical conditions that result in obesity, and making fun of those individuals and throwing countless insults at them doesn’t obscure or bury your point, it reveals that you have NONE.

And before any of the insults come, not that I really care, but I am not fat, in fact I am fit, I walk or run 4 miles a day. Also, I do not enjoy Kevin Smith’s work at all, I find him to be a pompous ass a lot of the time, but I disagree with you. Regardless of how it effects my convenience as a passenger, if an airline accepts a ticket from a large individual at the boarding gate and allows them on to their seat and THEN decides to humiliate them, then the airline is in the wrong. If he needed to purchase two seats then they shouldn’t have let him on without two tickets. Why is any passenger feeling the negative effect of the airline’s employees not knowing their own policy? THEY didn’t “play by the rules.” Anyone can buy a plane ticket without a mention of their weight from their website, there is no indication that one would need a separate seat, what rule was broken? . Kevin Smith did “play by the rules,” which you could see if you read all the information provided and looked at all the facts. But you would just rather ignore any and all points made by those trying to engage in an actual discussion by informing those who disagree with you of our real motivations and attributes, and insulting us.

“Kevin Smith is not “most guys”, Hysan, and has always told it like it is (check out his Evening with Kevin Smith DVDs). Kevin was very clearly not spilling over onto anyone else’s personal space as he had the armrests down.”

I didn’t realize it until he went on Jay Leno a year or so back for Zack and Miri, but Smith got really really big compared to what he was in his movies. I was wondering how he broke a toilet, but seeing him on the red carpet photos during that time, I can buy it. I can also buy him being big enough to be a problem on an airplane.

Topjack,

Clearly, your limited linguistic skills need a Websters assist.

You use only those facts that support your position.

If the arm rests were down, he couldn’t have been spilling into the next seat. He may have been close enough to another passenger to cause them to be uncomfortable, but so could a person with wide shoulders. Are they not playing by the rules either?

Is there a clear guideline dictating when two seats must be purchased? Is it based on weight or girth?

Is the pilot responsible because his action agreed with your personal bias? You obviously haven’t dealt with very many pilots. The “god complex” reference is quite relevant. Their word is treated as gospel by anyone working in or around an airport. The only person who has questioned the pilot’s decision is Kevin Smith. You chose to believe that the pilot is right because Kevin Smith is fat.

You have pigeon holed anyone with a weight problem as lacking self control and being disrespectful to others on a flight for not buying two seats.

Anyone who thinks that Southwest was wrong is a fanboy. Look closely, you are posting on the same website. Unless your are trolling around websites looking for a fight, that same epithet could be used to describe you.

You accuse me of a childish rant because I addressed you in the same manner that you addressed others. My apologies. I thought that insults would something that you are used to receiving.

“Intellectual dishonesty”? “addressed in an honest fashion”?

Please.

uh TopJack

“Smith boarded another Southwest flight, where he took the above photo: “Look how fat I am on your plane! Quick! Throw me off!” And after his flight landed: “I’ve landed in Burbank. Don’t worry: wall of the plane was opened & I was airlifted out while Richard Simmons supervised.”"

He boarded another Southwest flight, so it seems like it was only selective discrimination on that one flight, and you are way too hung up on his toilet seat, and kinda sad you can’t recognize self depreciation humor, and I understand the need to be comfortable on flights, but to resort to name calling and dehumanizing these people is wrong, and you are a bigot.

Kevin Smith annoys me. I find this funnt that it happened to him. His fat ass can buy a first class ticket on another airline now to accommodate his girth.

Here’s what we didn’t hear: apparently in the smodcast, Kevin Smith challenged Southwest Airlines to put their seats on Jon Stewart’s “The Daily Show” and Kevin would show up and sit down in one of their seats. I’d love to see that, and let’s get Ian Kirk and Evil Todd to show up and sit in the adjacent seats for comic relief.

Kevin, Southwest did you a favor. Instead of waging a “tweet” war (really effeminate, btw) against them, you should be thanking them.

Get some exercise, try eating a little better. You’ll lose weight, feel better, look better, even sex will be better. You can get some new clothes, and while you’re at the Beverly Center, you can get some new eyeglasses and ditch your current ones (it’s not 1985 anymore, ya know). Lose the stupid beard, too, while you’re at it.

Maybe you’ll even be inspired to make a movie that doesn’t suck. Then you’ll be able to afford first-class and avoid all of this.

Respect yourself and at least these idiot fanboys will stop calling you a fatass.

Good luck-

“… really effeminate, btw …”

Wait, what?

Hilarious. I read about half of these posts and just find you people a fantastic joke. “What’s wrong with the world today” is you people. Everyone is so tough with their arguments on the web, but get them in public and they would hide under the coffee table.

Kevin Smith is fat. The pilot made a decision based on the rules of the company. Maybe he could have done it earlier but maybe he didn’t board the plane until then. And some say the people next to him didn’t complain..no $#!%! If I was sitting next to Kevin Smith on a plane I would probably not complain either, and I really don’t like the guy’s work. Let’s look at it this way though…say the pilot let him sit and took off. Maybe his arms were on the armrests but the guy (or girl) next to him didn’t have anyplace to put their arm. Maybe they complain, and Southwest tells them to piss off. Then who is right. You fanboys would be arguing against Smith then I guarantee it.

Whatever though, on with your pissing match…

So Kevin Smith discussing what happened to him in a public forum emasculates him somehow?

I thought the Warner Todd Huston thing was insane…

You’d think a rich fuck like him would fly business not coach.

I am so sick and tired of the whole free world being forced to grab our collective ankles just bc we have to be polite and courteous to the lardasses that weigh a shit ton or more. How is it our fault that they treat every freaking meal like thanksgiving, put down the fork and spoon for crying out loud. eat something green and fresh that isn’t covered in sauce or dressing. Keep rocking it southwest, make the fatasses that take up weigh more space than the rest of us pay for that extra space.

that fat jerk should put all that energy into losing weight instead of complaining. Southwest is the greatest. i hope they make all lardasses pay for multiple seats.
and Obama wants us to pay for the healthcare costs of these fatties too. what an insult to thinking people who know to take care of themselves.

I’m going to post this again because I hate seeing a forum presenting an opportunity to discuss a real problem get hijacked by hate and bile.

I think we’re losing perspective here.

- Michelle Obama recently launched a campaign against what we call “the obesity epidemic” in America
- The newest American character in the new Street Fighter games, Rufus, is ridiculously obese. He’s also characterized as a jerk.
- In stories of all kinds, not just comics, the premise of a “morbidly” obese villain is a well-explored concept. The reference to gluttony as a deadly sin is so obvious that it’s almost insultingly simple.
- Instead of trying to make another “Law and Order” spinoff, NBC continues to film “The Biggest Loser”, and it’s making them lots of money.

That said, what does art say about life, and vice versa?

I believe it means that obesity in our country, and increasingly in the world, is a problem. I believe that society’s view of the problem heretofore is that this is an individual problem bred of a “lack of self-control” or outright gluttony. However, as the population of medically-diagnosed obese people increases such that it creates a larger burden on society, our culture is drawing the conclusion that we the people must impose upon the individual persons certain “restrictions” and “punishments” if they cannot control themselves. In effect, you can be as fat as you want until there are so many fat people that it makes life difficult on the rest of us. We thus reach a point at which the relationship becomes confrontational. Meanwhile, there are lots of people out there who genuinely want to do something about their problem. However, they’re too afraid to step into a gym or get help because they’re afraid we’ll laugh or stare at them.

Kevin Smith was publicly embarrassed in an antagonistic fashion. Instead of admitting that he has a problem, whether it’s genetic or self-control related, he’s instead become hostile and acted in opposition of what would be in his own best interests. We haven’t done anything to solve the problem– we’ve only made it worse.

Orson Welles, Marlon Brando, and John Candy were all great entertainers and storytellers that died from the complications of extreme bodyfat composition. That’s tragic, because what we all lose from that is their creative contributions. I feel the same way about Kevin Smith. Oprah Winfrey is fighting the same battle.

Calling each other “fat pig” and “skinny skinhead” on here doesn’t do anything to solve the problem. If you’re in the “obese” category, forget about how people look at you or whether you fit in an airline seat– worry more about how you look at yourself and how you fit in your life. The next time you’re next to someone who’s incredibly overweight, think about what it must be like to walk a mile in that person’s shoes before you say something to them; it will probably cause you to realize that there’s a lot more burden that goes along with their appearance than just the weight.

Our battle against obesity is one of convincing people to adopt a healthier lifestyle. That means we have to lure them toward it and sell them on its benefits. Obama got voted into office on a campaign of “Hope” and “Change”. Bin Laden recruits new warriors every day by advertising he’s winning. Phil Jackson has more championship rings than he has fingers because he convinces his players of the power of his “winning zen”. There’s a big gap between “win” and “don’t lose”.

A more positive campaign will do a lot more good for a lot more people. As for Mister Smith, I hope he sees the benefit in embracing his “enemy” and doing something to affect positive change for both himself and Southwest.

what are you dumbasses talking about with the idea that he was not spilling over into the adjoining seats if the armrests are down? have you ever been on a plane? i have seen hugely fat people squish into seats only to nearly suffocate the passengers next to them. that fat fuck should go lose some weight.

Jim G – what are you talking about this guy being embarassed by SW? no one would know about this if he didn’t make such a big deal. he is just another opportunist — SW can’t embarass him. he should just lose some weight and keep his mouth closed.

One thing the stories all keep omitting is that Smith didn’t buy two seats originally because of his size. He bought them for comfort and privacy. When he was asked to leave, he was already seated, belt fastened, and arm rests down, clearly he “fit” in the seat.

I am amused at all the bickering there is on this article. I am not particularly a fan of Kevin Smith. However, I think SW should have alerted and dismissed him before he boarded the plane. Maybe even when he tried to change planes.

Also, to TopJack: I think to make a better argument, you need to reference to more than the toilet-busting incident. That shouldn’t be the only source you have to Kevin Smith’s fatness.
Also, I am not obese comic fan. I am 5’5 and weigh 140 lbs. Whenever I can afford it and if the flight is long, I like to purchase 2 tickets. Kevin Smith has a lot more money than I do, I can’t see why he wouldn’t by multiple tickets just for the privacy especially since people are able to ID him by his character.

The “elephant is the room” is that Topjack is being abusive to other posters and should be banned.

Gee, what a surprise, a fat ass celebrity throwing a hissy fit for being treated like everyone else. I love how Smith thinks it’s some giant conspiracy against him. Maybe he can incorporate it into a 3 issue comic book series that will take 5 years to complete.

Oh, and TopJack, don’t worry about these fatties that like to ignore facts. They’re the ones that get laughed at as they stuff a whole cheeseburger in their mouths.

I haven’t flown since before 9/11..

Smith has never been political before.. not sure why he’s seemingly trying to be now.. stick to making films with potty-mouth characters riffing on obscure pop-culture and passing it off as deep wisdom. And finish “Daredevil: Target”!

I FUCKING LOOOVE CHEESEBURGERS!!!!!!!!!

Hey Volstagg, let’s make with the Personal Training Sessions!

I once flew on jetblue… in an aisle seat. There were two very heavy guys already in the row and only left me half-a-seat. Look, you know it if you take up more than one seat. That’s the issue. If you do, be kind enough to purchase another seat. If you fit comfortably in one seat without spilling over into someone else’s, well… then enjoy the flight.

Wow, who knew Kevin Smith could evoke such emotion. I mean, based on his body of work you’d never know!

i think alot of these incredibly rude and just plain cruel people on here like topjack should listen to the smodcast. Hell everyone should it gives alot of insight and honestly what southwest did greatly offended me when i hear the entire story.

Bottom line(s)

- Kevin Smith admits he’s fat.
-The Capt. made a judgment call that he is allowed to make…maybe it was a personal thing, maybe not…doesn’t really matter if he was within his rights to do so by company rules.
-Kevin Smith is making a mountain out of a molehill.
-I’ve seen guys way bigger than KS on planes. They even have special seat belt extenders for them on some airlines.

Obviously the Capt had some reason for removing him

TopJack, you said to clayr to not believe what’s the exact weight of Mr. Smith because the only source to know it is Mr. Smith himself, right? But you do believe the broken toilet seat story that was told by no other person than Mr. Smith. Be clear on something, you believe or not what Mr. Smith says only if supports your argument. And man you are old enough to know big companies are all about to make money, no matter if they sell plane tickets, comics or burguers. Do you think they care too much about their customers? Well, maybe you do.

This entire thread = fail

And ah helped!

Guy who thinks "Kevin is an asshole"

February 15, 2010 at 7:29 pm

This is inane. Kevin next time you buy a bottle of suntan lotion and one isn’t enough to cover your entire disgusting fat body, sue the lotion maker, makes about as much sense. Southwest Airlines should not have to apologize for your adolesent behavior and the fact your lard ass doesn’t fit on their planes.

Captaineach:

You actually prove this point.

Either Kevin Smith is obese enough to annihilate a toilet seat with his sheer poundage or he’s far too petite to be deemed so rotund as he can’t fit on a single plane seat.

He wants to have it both ways. It’s one or the other. Considering Southwest Airlines found him too obese to utilize a single seat, it appears he was initially correct when he destroyed that unsuspecting toilet seat.

And how coincidental that he throws this hissy feat just before his latest film is released? Considering his last cinematic efforts have been box office failures, he’s a flop away from directing episodes of “Law & Order.” And, as reality TV has proven without a doubt, any publicity is good publicity, despite his denials that this incident only spotlights his obesity and is embarrassing.

He obviously has no shame. Kudos to Southwest for respecting the rights of passengers who don’t want to share the space they paid for with Kevin Smith’s oozing, white gut.

TopJack is a bigot.

I wish me and my baseball bat can see you in person.

I can see it now. Coming this Memorial Day weekend the most horrifying movie to hit the screen, Fat People On A Plane! Hear Samuel Jackson exclaim, “I’m tired of all these G.D. fat people on this M.F’n plane!”

In all seriousness, why is this news? So Smith got kicked off a plane. I am sure people get removed from a plane all the time we do not hear about. So Southwest is in a PR nightmare because they removed a celebrity from their plane and having to apologize for it for fear of a backlash from the obese community. Damage done. Just learn form your less than tactful handling of the situation and focus on customer service before it gets to this point.

Ian Kirk:

The ad hominems do nothing to advance you or Kevin Smith’s cause.

Such hyperbolic assertions of pilots with “god complexes” when the simple fact is to anyone with two functioning eyes can easily observe that Kevin Smith is obese. What an absurd leap to assume the pilot had some sort of grudge when Kevin Smith resembles Octomom at full term.

As far as fitting between the armrests, obese people constantly wedge themselves into airline seats and allow the overflow of lard to spill into the neighboring seat. It’s entirely disrespectful and invasive of others personal space. Thankfully, Southwest Airlines values its customers enough to force obese people like Kevin Smith to purchase two tickets to fit their outrageous posteriors – and egos.

You either play by the rules or don’t play at all.

Guido:

How absurd you are. You need to learn the definition of bigotry.

Obese people are not forsaken any rights or privileges in society. Nor should I or anyone begrudge them any right.

But people also have a right to fly in a plane seat without having Kevin Smith’s hairy b!tch tits slapping them in the face. Your idolatry of a celebrity is truly blinding. And your threats of violence are risible and embarrassing.

Truly sad to see how fame is the ultimate religion for some people.

Well first and foremost, I believe that safety is a concern that we all must have nowadays getting onto ANY plane. This whole thing about 2 seats for heavyset/fat/obese people at first might seem absurd but how many times have we been on a plane where the seats wouldn’t accommodate the person next to us and they are literally ‘overflowing” out of their seats… fact is Smith just had his feelings hurt because his fat ass is getting fatter! If i was the pilot I would have made him purchase 2 seats two. If you don’t like the fact that your ass has 4 cheeks instead of two, the i suggest getting your ass to the gym! you won’t be missed from behind the camera cuz your movies suck ass!

Very true, Ken. He exploits his fans to mindlessly fight his battles when he should be fighting his own battle with himself. How cowardly.

Seriously, who – other than fanboy star humpers – wouldn’t approach a seat next on a plane next to the person in the following photo with sheer dread:

http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl1/1/12981/44_2008/8dea00a1bfa44ca1_kevin-smith.xlarger.jpg

The best part of Smith’s tweet!

“Again: I’m way fat … But I’m not THERE just yet.”

well what the fuck?! Im not there yet? Oh so this another goal of yours besides making shitty movies is to see just how fat you can get!?

PUHLEEZE Smith is such a schmuck!

@topjack:

wow it’s been awhile since i’ve seen a photo of him!! SHIT HE’S HUGE! Clearly obese and the airline should have just said you know what? Fuck you we take our $100 voucher back and instead we’ll offer you a 3 month membership to Bally’s! use it! LMAO

While Kevin Smith might have reacted a bit much, I’m sure anyone in this situation would also be quite pissed. Aside from that, that’s all it is, and people are looking WAY too much into this. As for posters, I’m agreeing with everyone else. TopJack is quite the ass. If you want to make your point, go for it all you want man, but you’re attacking each and every person who disagrees with you and it comes off as childish man. At least try giving your point off without attacking everyone, that is what is getting people irked with you.

Mike:

You’re quite incorrect. For many posters, it’s very uncomfortable to see someone like goateed manatee Kevin Smith being thrown off a plane for posing a safety risk and an imposition to others’ comfort when their own weight likely rivals his. The mirror can be both telling and cruel.

Are you in that group?

Sounds like you’re just trying to pick fun at anyone who doesn’t agree with you is all. Both Southwest and Kevin Smith have valid points, so honestly, I’m in both you could say. Some things I agree with what Kevin Smith has said, some things I can see why Southwest Airlines have been the way they have with certain things. I agree in that once you change your original flight, anything can happen so Kevin Smith shouldn’t have been surprised to be taken off the plane, it happens. I don’t agree that they took him off after he boarded. They should’ve had an idea before he got on the plane, but that’s just my opinion.

As for it being uncomfortable to see someone like Kevin Smith throw off the plane as a safety risk, I really think its hard to say a lot of people think that just because you think they are “bigger.” It could be one of many reasons, whether it be just bad service from Southwest Airlines before that left a bad taste in their mouth, or it could just be someone throwing their 2 cents in. I’m not completely ruling out what you’re saying isn’t true, but you have to look at these things from both sides.

Ladies and gentlemen, the internet:

Kevin, your fat- pay for two tickets and stop trying to get the attention that your career can’t get you. I wouldnt want to sit next to you on a flight. Maybe try flying an airplane that has first class and seats that might fit your fat ass. How about losing weight. Did you know that if you eat less calories than you burn you will lose weight, its that simple.

What Im guessing here is that Topjack was raped by a fat guy once and so hates them all. He lumps all fat people into a category of ‘oh they dont have self control’ which is not only an eggregiously broad denouncement, but just plain juvenile and hackneyed. I have known many fat people in my life who have perfect self control. See, if you knew of what you speak, you’d understand that biology and physiology play HUGE roles in both weight loss and weight gain. Yes, of COURSE there are those who are fat because of overeating and just plain laziness, but then there are some who CAN NOT lose the weight because of genetics. Now, were you simply insulting Kevin Smith (a man who admits and seems to boast about his ridiculous eating habits), that would be excusable, but you’re lobbing insults at all overweight people and judging them as if they are below you. And you have the GALL to call them babies? You sound like an uneducated child who knows nothing of others struggles.

For two years in college I was a physical trainer in a gym in Atlanta and have known literally hundreds of people who worked their ass off day in and day out and don’t deserve to be lumped with lazy people the way you seem keen on doing. Grow up and take the hypocrisy from your mouth before spewing your vitriol.

Just when I thought I regained my faith in humanity, I read the internet.

I saw this same thing happen on a flight from L.A. to Miami back in January of 1984. The gent in question was literally taking up two seats and asked to leave. He took it personal at first but eventually got up and was escorted out.

It would help if Smith would stop dropping the F-bomb with every other sentence. I’m more worried about his coming down with Tourette’s syndrome than his weight problems.

Fat people are fat because they eat more calories than they use. If ANYONE eats 2000 calories AND uses 2000 calories they will not gain weight no matter what medical condition they try to blame it on. Fat people are a greater health risk and should pay for it. This is not discrimination this is only fair.
If you are a bad driver thus a higher risk you pay higher insurance for your car. If you are fat you should pay higher health insurance and you should pay for your size on an airplane.

I have to say, I’m really impressed with these people who think it’s just as easy as “get up and stop eating you fat loser” … you remind me of those “green” people who want me to move closer to work so I can save gas, or carpool with people who don’t work the same shift as I do. Like I can just start imposing on people or pick up and move my entire house and life at the drop of a hat.

It’s not like if KS decided one day to get up and walk a mile around the block and didn’t eat a burger he’d instantly shrink, it’d require a concerted and continued effort on his part, and that sort of lifestyle change is a lot harder than just remembering to keep the toilet seat down for a girlfriend.

Plus, what a lot of people are discounting is that some hobbies (and professions) actually take a little more sitting around and are not conducive to exercise. It’s hard to write, proofread, draw, sketch, etc. when you’re exercising and if you want to make a living out of it, you have to – guess what – sit some more and work to perfect it. Some people don’t have the room or the time to exercise because they work more than a single job or have to care for family members who are ill or infirm. Genetics, food standards, and lifestyle aside, it can be a lot of work to get thin and then keep it off. KS doesn’t have a lot of these problems, but a lot of the attitudes being displayed here don’t seem like they’re focused only on KS, but on any ‘fatty’ that dares exist.

This isn’t to say that people can’t eat healthier, exercise more, most everyone can, but not everyone knows how. Not everyone has the interest in learning how to do so, just like not everyone has the interest in learning how to speak correctly, dress well, or model themselves to a specific fashion that others in society may like.

If he was “spilling into another seat” which I highly doubt as the armrests were down, that’s one thing. It’s quite another if the armrests are down and he’s just using both of them (I know plenty of skinny people who do that, as well as one overweight friend who gives himself cramps by keeping his arms crossed whenever sitting so as not to impose on others) If we was buckled in – without an ‘extender,’ if his armrests were down, then it’s no different than sitting next to someone you don’t want to sit next to, be they Asian or goth or gay or any other descriptor.

Hmmmmmm, maybe he could see it as a “Wake up Call”, loose some weight, simple, he is cute afterall, maybe a bit less weight would make him cuter :)

For those trying to defend his obesity with “a lot of people struggle with their weight due to genetics”, sorry, but no. Yes there are people who’s genetics will keep them from ever looking slim/toned and they’ll always carry some excess of weight. However you just cannot blame genetics and a slow metabolism for being morbidly obese, if you are that big you are that big through your lifestyle choices, it really is that simple.

Kevin Smith is a fat-ass.
I’m glad they kicked him off.

http://www.fitsugar.com/Reality-Check-What-Broken-Toilet-Told-Kevin-Smith-2447763

So these aren’t the reactions or actions of a populist director with a genuine and understandable gripe to vent, but a man with a serious problem who needs an intervention, and is instead getting either abuse or enabling from detractors and fans.

I guess when he dies of a heart attack at 45, you will all be satisfied, eh?

Now I can’t joke. This thread sickens me.

You know, making fun of people’s physical characteristics is one of the trademarks of a bully, and few things are more despicable than being a bully.

And before people pounce on me, I hasten to say that I’m not a fan of Kevin Smith and I was never overweight in my life, quite the opposite. I am a slim guy that works out in a gym three times a week. But you don’t need to be obese yourself to notice that there are problems that are not that easy to overcome.

People are affected by stress in different ways. I lose my appetite when I am nervous about something. I have friends that eat uncontrollably when they’re nervous. It’s ridiculous to assume that it’s as simple as just telling them to magically get some self-control.

Have some goddamn compassion, Topjack. Are you perfect? You’re telling me you don’t have any habit that is an escape from stress? No overeating, no drinking, no gambling, no compulsive sex? If yo’re that perfect, then congratulations. But it’s a pity you’re not “perfect” enough to have some compassion.

Rene:

Where is the compassion from Kevin Smith for people who have to suffer through hours of an uncomfortable flight they paid good money for while having to share a seat with his oozing blubber? Why are the needs of these people secondary to that of an overindulged and overfed pseudo-celebrity?

How shameful is it that people have no regard for disciplined passengers with self respect, restraint and respect for their fellow travelers while falling over themselves to defend a grotesque monstrosity like Kevin Smith who believes he’s entitled to smother people with his lard and not play by the same rules as others.

He can stay as obese as he likes. It doesn’t matter. What matters is that he doesn’t infringe on the comfort of others and plays by the rules of the airline that everyone else does.

Thankfully, the good people at Southwest Airlines treated him no differently than any other passenger and forced him to play by the rules.

if you have two rear ends, you must buy two tickets.

Dartfin:

Your reading comprehension is blinded by your agenda and celebrity worship.

No one is impugning obese people. What people do object to is the arrogance displayed by Kevin Smith in assuming he shouldn’t play by the rules set by the people at Southwest Airlines and infringe on the rights of others due to his obscene weight.

Not only would his presence in a single seat result in extreme discomfort to fellow passengers, he was deemed to pose a safety risk by the pilot. How outrageous to think anyone’s safety should be put at risk due to Kevin Smith’s impatience in insisting on flying in a single seat on an earlier flight rather than the two he previously purchased to accommodate his outrageous girth.

This talk of tolerance is a straw man argument for the real issue: an overindulged celebrity believes the comfort and safety of others are secondary to his selfish needs and he should be able to break the rules everyone else follows.

You know, I’ve been reading about this elsewhere and I’ve come to a conclusion — this is the second time Smith has played up his “fat problem” right before the release of one of his movies. There’s nothing better than free publicity. Smith knew he was morbidly overweight when he played the broken toilet seat card right before Zack and Miri Make a Porno was released. He’s only gotten fatter since.

Though I’ve thrown up my hands at the idea of geting Top Jack to play nice, I have to agree… “Either Kevin Smith is obese enough to annihilate a toilet seat with his sheer poundage or he’s far too petite to be deemed so rotund as he can’t fit on a single plane seat.” He’s playing it for publicity, and there are far too many of his fans (and others) letting him get away with it.

I’m with SouthWest on this one. I can’t stand having my flight mildly inconvenienced by having someone even as mildly fat as Kevin Smith beside me. What if he tried to deep fry some sort of high-calorie foods in mid-air? I’d rather be on a flight with terrorists, truth be told. So thank you Southwest for protecting the comfort of all us non-fatties out there, and thank you TopJack for doing the same!

So, who would win in a fight, Kevin Smith or Volstagg?

If he can accord to buy TWO coach seats to have room everytime he flies, then why not just buy ONE first class seat instead and not have to worry about anything as they tend to have more room.

He knows he is larger than the average person, which is why he bought TWO tickets. Then when he wants to squeeze into one seat and others complain for the very SAME reason he buys two tickets… he uses his popularity and fans to attack an airlines for doing thier job and doing what HE knows to be true.

And lets not forget, if he has TIME to go about on his rant against the airlines, then how about using that time to FINISH a comic you started 7 years ago. His excuse is that he is always too busy with hollywood stuff to do it, but it looks to me like he has plenty of time on his hands if he can go on a crusade at a moments notice.

They didn’t kick him off cause he was too fat. They kicked him off cause of JERSEY GIRL!

good for southwest! Obese people are a burden to our society and I think it’s time people hold them accountable for their bad choices.

Maybe Smith will become so consumed with whining about Southwest he won’t have time to make any more mediocre movies. One can only hope.

geez, Topjack reaaaalllllyy hates fat people.

oh and: “Your reading comprehension is blinded by your agenda and celebrity worship.”

LOLZ! like you dont have an agenda (you obviously do, as shown by your countless posts on this thread).

oh and i believe we can all rest assured that topjack will most likely suffer a horrible karma induced death long before Kevin smith dies of clogged arteries.

TopJack is the kind of guy who sits behind the safety of his own computer and posts bile to stir trouble.
He keeps saying his rhetoric to get reactions because he has no life anyway.
He probably has multiple accounts on other websites.
Posts as women to flirt with men because he’s too awkward to be himself out of the closet.
Whether straight or gay is irrelevant, he’d be regarded as awkward and a shrill little girl-man by any man or woman of his dreams.
He’s conflicted and vents his insecurities by intentionally offending people and masking it as opinion.
He just wants to be a trouble maker. He wants attention because nobody will give it to him in his life.
So he sits there pounding on his keypad while having other tabs open to porn sites and bopping his flab he calls his “unit” until it’s a shriveled husk of skin that resembles the flab a formerly fat person has left after they lose it and still need to get surgery. Something that resembles his black soul and his blackened lonely heart.
He’s most likely the same guy who posts under phantom accounts on various sites and been caught, called out, and banned repeatedly for it. Yet he still does it just to satisfy his own insane need to be the center of attention. He is the personification of predictable. He’ll even post some stupid diatribe that he will attempt to make him seem smart and intellectual. He’ll try in vain to get a rise out of me.
But this will be my one and only post. I won’t waste one more ounce of energy on him than I’ve allowed to type all of this. I’m not even going to come back here to see this later. So when he responds. And you know mr. predictable will! He’ll only be giving me what I want if he does or not.
See I’ve enjoyed reading this ass’ posts because only he is making himself into the biggest tool. Not only that. The entire tool box! Ha-ha-ha!

ZERO SYMPATHY for this fat hack. Its not Southwest Airline’s fault that KS is sooo fat that he needs two seats!

He should be ashamed of himself, for letting himself blimp up like that…but what do you expect from someone from Joisey?!?

Okay one last bit. An observation. Look at TopJack’s post timeline. The guy seriously has no life. Only further proof. Hope some fat guy kicks his ass soon.

Jim Gourley – You got it right. Keep up the positive fight.

This is a huge problem in North America. It needs to be proberly addressed. While I agree with some of what TopJack says….I know its easy to think degrading someone will make them lose weight…I think it’ll be the opposite.

Thin Man:

You already proved your lack of conviction by posting multiple times when stating you would only once. How can you be taken seriously?

Much like Kevin Smith, you have no restraint or convictions, just childish name calling.

Most fascinating is you offer only ad hominem attacks with outrageous statements but nothing to defend your hairyfat idol. Shouldn’t that be the ultimate purpose of your vitriol?

The reason? The situation is indefensible to anyone with a basic grasp of facts and proper behavior. It’s evident as the facts have been presented, the only retort from the Kevin Smith cult are ad hominem attacks, threats of violence and an absence of logic. Which is not coincidentally similar to any Kevin Smith film.

His fans are reflective of his own boorish behavior. He should serve as an example to these unwashed and slovenly folks by issuing an apology to Southwest Airlines followed by retreating to a fat camp. He would be able to redeem his actions and perhaps inspire his obese fans to clean up their act.

Your anger obviously derives from something deeper and more personal, something likely rooted to the Carls Jr. drive thru window.

Imagine you are sitting in an airline seat . Suddenly the entire air-plane lurches . Rythmic Plane-quakes make the entire plane shiver in stress , all the joints cry out in despair .. Towards you squeezes a whaleproportioned mountain with a slight humanoid resemblance… This puddinglike grotesque blubber blob of a man leaves a snailtrail of sludge behind him composed of grease , sweat and the remains of small dogs and children he crushed because he did not see them under his quivering belly . The B.O hit you like a hatchet between the eyes. You desperately try to stop the bile pushing towards your front teeth .. where the heck is that air sickness bag? His bloated fingers grip a ticket ,it seems to be smaller than the real one , held in those blunt sausage fingers . Behind glasses myopic eyes destroyed by diabetes desperately searches the numbers above the seat for the one corresponding with his ticket . And You know he WILL be sitting next to You ,almost squeezing you through the airplane window like meat through a grinder . You feel like a skier drowned by a mountain avalanche as the huge mass of a man oozes into and overflows the entire row of seats next to You .. His enormous head swivel towards you , and his mouth opens . The rotten stench that hits you make you black out for a moment , but when you comes to he says Hi Honey and you smile back : This will be the best holiday ever , hubby sweetie! In the background You can hear the captain speaking : Oh God . we need a much longer runway! cue music

Yeah, that sucks. They should interview the pilot. If he talks like Sully, you know he’s legit and didn’t kick off the fat guy because he was a celebrity and if he’s like “standard regulation blah-blah-blah” and has a mustache or something, I’m cool and Kevin Smith is nonsense. But if this pilot starts calling TMZ and putting up shirtless pictures of himself on his website, then this guy totally exploited Kevin Smith which is UNcool!

Then again, this is the first thing I read about Kevin Smith in a while. His Batmans suck. I hope his Green Hornet is cool. Being fat sucks, you get all these strangers pissing on you for no reason. I’m not fat, by the way.

Jay-Me-Dee et al,

I’m not going to invoke Godwin’s Law, but I truly believe we need to understand a few things–

- All the arguing about “who’s the bigger prick, SW or KS”, accomplishes NOTHING
- Mr. Smith’s blog tirade accomplishes NOTHING
- Any attempt to advocate socio-political action restricting the freedoms of people based on their weight will accomplish NOTHING
- Telling a person who is fully aware that their life is a struggle against their own body mass that they’re fat accomplishes NOTHING

We’ve become so angry here that we’ve surrendered to our worst instincts, yelling and screaming until we’ve lost sight of what CAN BE accomplished or, really, what we were arguing about in the first place. Many of you might believe that there is nothing that can be accomplished to begin with. After all, this is just some forum on a comics fan website. What can we do?

Therein lies the genesis of the bile posted above. What can we do? We feel we can do nothing. We are powerless, impotent, pitiful. So why not just fill the internet with sound and fury? It’s the only option we have– right?

No, it’s just the easiest option you have. It’s the cowardly, lazy, hopeless option. In our daily, mundane lives we feel trapped and isolated, directionless and confused. We suffer our hopelessness silently. What I see here are the desperate screams of people shouting their despair in a forest of other desperate screams.

We read comics. Comics with stories. Stories about heroes who do great things and dare great thoughts. Heroes who challenge assertions and antagonists, who dream big and act bigger. We look back at moments like the exploration of the Louisiana Purchase, the Moon Landing, and the defeat of Hitler and wonder– “what’s left for us to do?” We feel that there are no more opportunities to be heroes anymore. Nixon, Vietnam, and OPEC robbed us of those opportunities. We rely on James Cameron to spoon-feed us dreams, and Kevin Smith to act as a lightning rod for our frustrations.

We’re better than that.

A hero is only as great as the challenge he or she faces. I dare anyone here to say that Mother Theresa has less courage than the Last Son of Krypton. She didn’t despair that there were no challenges around her. She went to India where there were challenges.

What challenge did you find today? Where did you go? Were you afraid to use your real name on a blog? Were you afraid to give actual thought to a problem that stands before society? Were you afraid to write something that might actually be criticized?

It’s easy to spew anger and foul language at each other. It’s easy to call someone fat, bigoted, or wrong. It’s pretty difficult to recommend a solution, and even more difficult to enact it. It doesn’t take any courage at all to hide behind a screen name and call Kevin Smith untalented or insult his physicality. It takes a lot of courage to say “My name is…” and open your best and brightest ideas to criticism.

It takes a lot of courage to accomplish something, because as we see, the heroes who try to accomplish things will always be outnumbered by desperate cowards who are afraid that such accomplishments will only put their failures into greater relief.

Can’t we just put all the obese people and Arabs onto one plane together since NO ONE apparently wants to fly with either of those groups these days?

Jim, I’m afraid you’re a lone voice in the wilderness here.

You’re making the problem too big, Sean. The whole world is a wilderness. This is a putting green compared to that. As such, I’m more than willing to be the “lone voice” here. But I take your statement to mean that I’m not as alone as you think I am.

This past weekend I organized a mini “indoor triathlon” at my local gym. Seven people came out, more than one of which had never swam, biked, and run in quick succession in all their life. Everyone finished, and they all had fun.

Seven people. In the eyes of the peasants of a small village in 1800′s Mexico or feudal Japan, that’s more than enough. You gotta start somewhere.

…While i’m not a Kevin Smith fan by a long shot, I will have to admit that the worst flight attendants in the air have always been those on Southwest. Back in the days when I was flying between Austin, Dallas, Houston and El Paso on a four-times-a-month basis, three of those flights usually turned out to be Southwest. Every single flight on Southwest was marred by a snotty stewardess whose best example of customer service was to behave as if any request you made – i.e., a pillow, blanket or even a pack of peanuts that weren’t stale – was like asking her to part the Red Sea. Unluckily for them, as these were state-funded flights, I was asked after each flight when I got back to the office to list any problems encountered with flight attendants during the flight. Seems I wasn’t the only one who experienced problems with Southwest, and I received at least a dozen calls from SW representatives asking for more clarification on what each attendant did with regards to poor service. Unluckily again for them, I made sure to get at least their first names from either the pilot or the co-pilot, as it seemed to be the common denominator for a stewardess with a bad attitude to have somehow lost her nametag. I do know I got at least four of the snotty little bimbos fired, but it sadly didn’t seem to help matters much as those who replaced them seemed to have the same customer relations problems.

…What will end up happening from all this is that Southwest will either give Kevin a few hundred thousand miles of free air miles to shut him up, and continue on with business as abnormal. If Kevin *really* has any balls about him and wants to do something with his ranting, he needs to go on a crusade against airlines’ prejudice against “fat people” and force a judge to issue restraining orders against the entire airline industry preventing them from both prohibiting overweight people from boarding *and* forcing them to charge only for one seat and provide two, just as punishment for having attempted to penalize overweight people just because they’re wider. This sort of prejudice is the same as if the airlines were to bar black people, hispanics, asians or anyone else who wasn’t a WASP. It’s discrimination, and it’s illegal. It just hasn’t been enforced like it should be.

So let’s put up or shut up, Kevin. Either take up the sword and be a hero, or take a settlement and admit you can be bought.

Here’s a question– why are we telling Kevin to put up or shut up? Whether he does one or the other, what do we achieve through his action, and what true influence can we claim to have had on him?

Meanwhile, are airlines really biased against fat people? Consider this. Airlines are businesses. They make money by filling seats and transporting people safely from one place to the next. If providing you with optimal comfort and enjoyment of the travel experience were their top priorities, they would have redesigned the planes long ago. Therefore, they only have two real concerns when it comes to people of profound girth–

- Whether they can safely occupy the seat they purchased without causing the person next to them undue discomfort or safety hazard
- Whether they present a clear and present danger to the evacuation of the aircraft in the event of an emergency.

So long as the “normal sized” person beside the larger one doesn’t openly complain or cause a fuss on the plane, then the person’s size can be tolerated. Now consider just how much crap people put up with before they actually voice displeasure, and you get an idea for what the airlines believe they can tolerate. Meanwhile, if a person of extremely large size wants to purchase two seats, the only remaining concern is whether they can safely traverse the aisle in the event of an emergency. How fast is that? How big is too big? I doubt there’s a definable metric for it.

Therefore, given his or her responsibility for the aircraft’s safety, it’s a judgment call to be left to the pilot. If you don’t like the pilot’s judgment with regard to Mr. Smith’s size, then perhaps you should genuinely question whether you want to remain on the plane yourself. After all, you disagree with the pilot’s ability to deal with safety issues, and he’s about to maneuver 200,000 pounds of highly explosive fuel and turbine engines held together by plastic polymers and aluminum through the air at about 500mph. You’re just along for the ride, and he’s in the driver’s seat.

A good “put up or shut up” idea would be a joint campaign. Maybe if SW donated so many dollars to the new initiative to fight obesity for every pound Kevin lost, or if Kevin wrote a special edition of Bluntman and Chronic to discuss the issues satirically and increase public awareness.

Consider this– obesity among children is predominantly an affliction of lower-income kids. Families that don’t have money have to buy cheaper food, and healthy produce and organic foods don’t fit into that category. Instant pizza and extra value meals are a way of life for some kids whether they like it or not. Kevin may be angry for the way he’s treated, but instead of ranting at SW, maybe he could channel that anger toward helping someone less fortunate who is unwillingly being forced into the same situation he’s in.

Through his popularity and media presence, Mr. Smith has great power. Is he using it responsibly?

“Maybe if SW donated so many dollars to the new initiative to fight obesity”

…Gee, and lemme guess: you’d like to see Michael Richards donate to the fight to give white people some color? Or Louis Farakkhan to do the same?

Overweight people need to be accepted, period. If they choose to remain fat, that’s *their* business, and not yours.

That’s nonsensical. A person cannot help their skin color, nor does it pose a risk to their own life. There’s no such thing as “morbidly caucasian”, nor have we labeled illegal immigration as “the latino epidemic”.

Being overweight, however, is an entirely different subject. It’s unhealthy. Initiatives to help people overcome obesity are no different than those that promoted awareness regarding the effects of smoking. Michelle Obama herself is leading the new campaign against obesity.

Your proclomation that overweight people need to be accepted presupposes that they themselves accept their condition. Meanwhile, there are no end of people lining up for a chance to participate in “The Biggest Loser” because they are absolutely miserable in their current state of health. You’re correct that it’s their business, but from what I’m hearing there are a lot of people saying they want to change the way they do business.

I accept people for who they are and what they contribute, not how much they weigh or the way they look. I do not wish to accept, and it is my sincerest hope that no one would want to accept, a state of affairs in which people literally eat themselves to death. As I mentioned earlier, we’ve lost some of the most talented people in the creative industry to complications from obesity. There’s absolutely no reason to lose more.

Funny-sad story, this definitely sounds like a day in Kevin Smith’s life. As for his weight, he’s free to do whatever he wants with his body. But, he must also realize that this condition can influence his life and especially the life of his loved ones in a negative manner. When you have family, you also have the responsibility to take care of yourself so you’ll be around for them.

Interesting. There’s a SModcast dedicated to this and he mentions a lot of things that haven’t been covered, including a conversation with a woman in another flight that went through something odd too. Maybe there should be a link in the article? It’s #106.

Bill Blathermouth

February 16, 2010 at 7:53 pm

People should be charged by weight just like freight. I spent a day and a half on a bus once with one of these tubs shoving me into an armrest. These days, I go to the gym nearly everyday. Just because I read comics doesn’t mean I want to be disgusting, unhealthy, and have to settle for fat chicks (for those of you who can get any at all). Get out from behind the computer, comic, D&D table for a couple hours a day. And Kevin: your movies are shitty, your comics are shitty, and you suck.

THEY COME FOR KEVIN SMITH! NO SPOKE UP BECAUSE DRUNK HULK SLIGHT OVERWEIGHT! THEN THEY COME FOR DRUNK HULK! THEN NO ONE LEFT TO FLY PLANE!

“Do you think they plopped Kevin Smith on the baggage scale before he boarded?”

“People should be charged by weight just like freight. I spent a day and a half on a bus once with one of these tubs shoving me into an armrest. These days, I go to the gym nearly everyday. Just because I read comics doesn’t mean I want to be disgusting, unhealthy, and have to settle for fat chicks (for those of you who can get any at all).”

Damn right! There should be a scale for people to stand on with their luggage & a total weight allowance per customer. It’s not fair that I can’t take my bag on a plane for being a kilo over the limit, but some man mountain is OK to board. Also, comic fans have enough to put up with for reading “immature kid’s stuff” without having the fat comicbook guy stereotype shoved in our faced by the likes of KS (I do like most of his movies BTW, so this is nothing personal about him). Bless you TopJack & Bill for speaking some sense in this sea of self-pitying whining!

Bullies are bullies. Internet bullies are just bigger, more insecure cowards that can’t stand the thought of bullying face-to-face.

I’ve been on both sides of the issue. College football player who stopped exercising and kept eating. No excuse at all. I nearly ate myself to death. I peaked at 525 pounds. More than a quarter ton. Mock away—I did it to myself and offer no excuse.

When finally faced with the fact that I was literally killing myself and probably wouldn’t make it to 40…I actually did something. LIke lose 315 pounds. I got back in shape and have successfully completed triathlons. Feel free to check out public photos at http://www.facebook.com/DeckerX?ref=profile .

Okay, credentials done.

In the old days, when I flew, I knew I was an incredible burden on people around me. I always booked an aisle seat and tried to get the last row on the plane…so I’d be as out of the way as possible. I would lean out into the aisle to prevent encroaching on the territory of a seatmate. I took a lot of beverage carts to the shoulder, but I felt it was what needed to be done. I was never mocked–at least, not to my face. I’m sure I was by such lovely folks as post here. But had I been confronted, I would have apologized and offered my condolences for having to be next to me.

So now that I’m healthy, do I sneer at the morbidly obese? Nope. I don’t. I feel sympathy. I know how embarrassing it is. I know how hopeless it can feel. I know how, even though there situation is their own fault, what it feels like to be on display and mocked and ogled for being that way.

Yeah, bullies puff up and blow smoke with anger and insults. If being thin is all you’ve got going for you, I feel for you. If you feel that strongly that being thin alone makes you a better person than someone that’s not–good for you. Mock away!

Dexter should get frequent flyer miles for helping us to walk a mile in his shoes.

So, we have at least anecdotal evidence now that overweight people aren’t all slovenly, selfish gluttons that eat with complete disregard for society and enjoy, literally, throwing their weight around.

That said, let’s reflect on the paradigm…

“I used to be addicted to cocaine”
“I used to be an alcoholic”
“I grew up being taught black people are evil”

There are lots of rehab programs for all kinds of maladies of socio-cultural mental models. When you meet a recovered addict or former racist that’s turned their life around, you don’t continue to villify or shun them– you embrace them as a success story. We want to believe in these people because they reinforce a key belief that we need to live– that human beings are inherently good. We want to believe that people can turn their life around and do something wonderful. Don’t believe me?

“I feel the good in you, the conflict.”
“There is no conflict.”
“You underestimate the power of the Dark Side. If you will not fight, then you will meet your destiny.”

“No. You’re coming with me. I’ll not leave you here, I’ve got to save you.”
“You already… have, Luke. You were right. You were right about me. Tell your sister… you were right.”

And, of course, there’s the irony about what Luke was right about. But there you have it, affirmation of a fundamental human belief in one of the greatest stories ever told.

So if I can welcome a former coke-head, boozer, racist, or Sith Lord with open arms and hail them as a good person who has triumphed over weakness, why can’t I try to help an overweight person get over that same obstacle?

Some really scrawny guys had to drink super-soldier elixir or get bitten by radioactive spiders before they could change. The rest of us, regardless of body type, are probably going to be less lucky and need more help.

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