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Before the Young Avengers, we almost had the Young Avengers

New Warriors #1

New Warriors #1

Marvel’s senior VP-executive editor Tom Brevoort shares a fun blast from the past over on his Marvel.com blog: a proposal for a series called Young Avengers. But this isn’t the Allan Heinberg/Jim Cheung book that came out in 2005; it’s a proposal from 1989, by studiomates Jim Valentino and Rob Liefeld. Before Youngblood, Shadowhawk, Deadpool, X-Force or even Guardians of the Galaxy, the duo pitched a series about Namorita, Firestar, Vance Astro, Speedball and Richard Rider — as Torpedo, rather than Nova — coming together with two new characters to train under the direction of Rick Jones.

“At the time this was written in 1989, while both of them had dabbled in doing Marvel work, neither creator had really had a break-out hit. Sharing a studio at the time, they hoped that YOUNG AVENGERS might be it, with Jim writing and Rob illustrating a series they would co-plot,” Brevoort writes.

Although the pages are a bit blurry when scanned in — they were typed more than 20 years ago — you can still read about some of the plots and villains they planned to use, as well as new characters they were creating named Cougar, Brahma, Photon and Combat. Which may sound familiar to readers of Youngblood and related titles.

“As it turned out, work was already underway on the book that eventually was entitled NEW WARRIORS, which prevented this incarnation of YOUNG AVENGERS from moving ahead. It’s actually pretty extraordinary to see how close the line-up for what Jim and Rob proposed was to the eventual NEW WARRIORS team,” Brevoort writes.

If only they’d given Rick Jones some battle armor and a skateboard …

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Thank you for posting about this! How cool! I’m a big New Warriors fans, and I love hearing behind-the-scenes stuff like this.

Although, is the roster similarity due to the fact that the team had already been introduced in THE MIGHTY THOR by Tom DeFalco and Ron Frenz, who put the team together? Or does this proposal pre-date that, even?

I hope Tom Brevoort posts the Warren Ellis proposal.

And uh… it’s Rich RIder. With an ‘i’. (Sorry. Pet peeve.)

“. It’s actually pretty extraordinary to see how close the line-up for what Jim and Rob proposed was to the eventual NEW WARRIORS team.”

Hahahah. How extraordinary…… not. Sounds like a rip-off to me.

This kind of thing seems to have happened quite often at Marvel. Where creators make a proposal, are rejected and the basic premise is then given to another creative team…

He die-yng you obvisouly read the article since you quoted it but maybe you missed the sentence before the one you quoted.

work was already underway on the book that eventually was entitled NEW WARRIORS, which prevented this incarnation of YOUNG AVENGERS from moving ahead. It’s actually pretty extraordinary to see how close the line-up for what Jim and Rob proposed was to the eventual NEW WARRIORS team,

Jim Valentino’s mentioned this before online as far back as 2005.

“Although, is the roster similarity due to the fact that the team had already been introduced in THE MIGHTY THOR by Tom DeFalco and Ron Frenz, who put the team together? Or does this proposal pre-date that, even?”

Here’s a line from a comment made by Jim Valentino over on the Image Comics message board about his Guardians of the Galaxy run where he mentioned his and Rob’s Young Avengers -

“I had worked slavishly on a new Defenders concept and Rob and I had co-created (and would have done together) a concept called The Young Avengers (we were unaware that Tom himself had already created the New Warriors, a team similar to ours), plus several other concepts that I no longer recall.”

He doesn’t mention much beyond that besides confirming that Namorita would be on the team -

“Both my take on the Defenders and Young Avengers are, alas, lost to time. No notes remain for either.
Of the later I do recall that Cap was going to recruit and train the youngsters and that Namorita (whom both Rob and I loved) was going to be on the team. And that Rob wanted to create a female Bucky (something I was dead-set against and he eventually did in Heroes Reborn).”

Heh, I wonder if someone could let him know his YA notes at least are apparently alive and well at Marvel? Sure am curious about that Defenders pitch now.

Source: I think this link should still be working -

http://www.imagecomics.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=144

However and whenever the Warriors came to be Im glad they did.

They got me into comic books when other Marvel books had failed. I liked that they were my contemporaries (okay a bit older but not a “kid” team), that they werent mired in 30 years of convoluted continunity and that the stories had a nice combination of heroics and the complications of their personal lives without being over the top soap opera. Not to mention being fairly self contained story arcs that even when the plot was concluded would affect how the team interacted or approached its heroing for the next several issues.

I took some crap from people at the time for this being my “must buy” book but a title doesnt go 4 years with a cast of former C & D list heroes if its not doing something right.

It seemed almost fitting for an underdog team like the New Warriors (some of them rejected by the Avengers, some of them rejected by their own families,often disparaged by fellow heroes and the public) to wind up starting the Civil War, though it pained me to see it. Course, the worst part about that was it proved that the crappy (badly drawn and poorly scripted) volume two of the Warriors Fabian Nicezia put out a couple years before Civil War was just to remind the public who they were before Speedball became Penance.

Course, the worst part about that was it proved that the crappy (badly drawn and poorly scripted) volume two of the Warriors Fabian Nicezia put out a couple years before Civil War was just to remind the public who they were before Speedball became Penance.

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First of all, that was volume 3 of NW. Secondly, Fabian didn’t write that craptastic series, Zeb Wells (I think, but I could be wrong) wrote it.

How the actual Young Avengers getting that long promised monthly?

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