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See Carnival of Souls comparisons from $60-million Heroes lawsuit

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Carnival Comics has provided Robot 6 with a copy of Jazan Wild’s $60-million lawsuit against NBC and Heroes creator Tim Kring, complete with color images detailing alleged similarities between the TV series and the comic Carnival of Souls.

The lawsuit, filed May 13 in Los Angeles federal court, alleges that the traveling carnival featured prominently in the fourth season of Heroes is “virtually identical” to the one depicted in Wild’s 2005-2006 comic series.

Wild (aka Jason Barnes) wants to prevent NBC from rebroadcasting the season, and seeks compensatory and punitive damages for copyright infringement, intentional interference with prospective economic advantage, unfair competition and unjust enrichment.

After the break you can see some of the side-by-side comparisons from the complaint:

Exhibit 1B from Jazan Wild's complaint

Exhibit 1B from Jazan Wild's complaint

“The opening shot of the Carnival on Heroes (right), has the Ferris Wheel and tents in the same position as Carnival of Souls (left). Colors of poles are the same; sign positions are the same and the string lights are the same. The scene appears to be directly storyboarded from Carnival of Souls and uses the same camera angle.)”

Exhibit 1C from Jazan Wild's complaint

Exhibit 1C from Jazan Wild's complaint

“Here are both Carnivals’ Ringmasters. Notice the same color design and style of clothes, as well as the position of characters. The scene seems to be directly storyboarded from Carnival of Souls and uses the same camera angle.)”

Exhibit 2C from Jazan Wild's complaint

Exhibit 2C from Jazan Wild's complaint

“In the above scene, both protagonists see the Magical Carnival that has appeared in the remote wooded area. Both Magical Carnivals have a character with outstretched hands welcoming the protagonists into a ghost-like deserted carnival. The camera angle of both characters is substantially similar. The Heroes’ scene seems to be directly storyboarded from Carnival of Souls.)”

Exhibit 2D from Jazan Wild's complaint

Exhibit 2D from Jazan Wild's complaint

“In the above scene, both protagonists see the Magical Carnival that has appeared in the remote wooded area. Both Magical Carnivals have a character with outstretched hands welcoming the protagonists into a ghost-like deserted carnival. The camera angle of both characters is substantially similar. The Heroes’ scene seems to be directly storyboarded from Carnival of Souls.)”

Exhibit 3A from Jazan Wild's complaint

Exhibit 3A from Jazan Wild's complaint

“Above is the ‘House Of Mirrors’ from both series. The camera angle of the House Of Mirrors and the design, specifically the title above the entrance and pull away red curtains, are substantially similar. The scene seems to be directly storyboarded from Carnival of Souls.)”

Exhibit 3B from Jazan Wild's complaint

Exhibit 3B from Jazan Wild's complaint

“Above is where both protagonists have their names called out to them and both protagonists then reply ‘Mother/Mom’ when their dead mother appears to them in the mirrors. The camera angle of both characters as well as the circular House Of Mirrors design are substantially similar. The scene seems to be directly storyboarded from Carnival of Souls.)”

Exhibit 4A from Jazan Wild's complaint

Exhibit 4A from Jazan Wild's complaint

“Above is where both stories have an evil character enter the House Of Mirrors and blast an enemy with Kinetic Energy from his hands. The camera angle is substantially similar. Both are overhead shots as the evil character enters. The design of the mirrors is similar, as is the darkness behind the mirrors. The scene seems to be directly storyboarded from Carnival of Souls.”

Exhibit 5A from Jazan Wild's complaint

Exhibit 5A from Jazan Wild's complaint

“Above is the picture of the Jamaican Witchdoctor from both stories. Note the glowing white eyes.”

Exhibit 7 from Jazan Wild's complaint

Exhibit 7 from Jazan Wild's complaint

“Both stories have a character who can see the future being warned that a Hunter is coming to attack the Carnival.”

Exhibit 9 from Jazan Wild's complaint

Exhibit 9 from Jazan Wild's complaint

“Both stories have a Hunter who attacks the Carnival while his daughter is at the Carnival. On the left is a scene where the Hunter from Carnival of Souls is looking at his daughter through the scope of his rifle. In the picture on the right, the Hunter from Heroes is also looking at his daughter through the scope of his gun, while he is attacking the Carnival.”

Exhibit 10 from Jazan Wild's complaint

Exhibit 10 from Jazan Wild's complaint

“Above, both stories have the Carnivals being destroyed. Top left, the evil character is attacking the Carnival of Souls and people are fleeing. Top right, the evil character is attacking the Heroes Carnival and people are fleeing. Bottom left, the blonde-haired girl in a panic flees from the Carnival of Souls. Bottom right, blonde-haired girl in a panic flees from the Heroes Carnival.”

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This is easily the funniest series of stories I’ve read in years. You can’t make this up. This guy is so utterly clueless as to think no one will realize he’s suing Heroes for stealing stuff HE STOLE.

This is the kind of moron who calls the cops when his drugs get stolen.

DrunkJack’s post seems to be directly storyboarded from Carnival of Souls.

Wesley, you win the coveted Comment of the Morning Award.

This is ridiculous. I mean the House of Mirrors? People who can tell the future? Tim Kring should be ashamed of stealing this comic’s ideas.

(Sarcasm aside, I imagine the real shame would be if Heroes got intellectually bankrupt to the point where they would even consider ripping off this comic.)

I am so glad i gave up on this poor excuse for a tv show a long time ago.

DrunkJack : I believe the correct response to your accusation would be “Post your proof.” This guy did – you can’t beat side-by-side comparisons for proof.

MisterSmith: You say “Tim Kring should be ashamed of stealing this comic’s ideas.”, which missed the point somewhat. It’s not the ideas that Jazan Wild is suing over, it’s the *execution* of the ideas. Note the emphasis on the case for Heroes having used the comic to storyboard the show.

Anybody who spells Jason with two “a”s and a “z” automatically loses.

I’ve never had an interest in watching Heroes. I’ve never heard of this comic book.

These ‘comparisons’ are nowhere near identical and I really don’t get why this guy is trying to get some free press for a comic that came out years ago that no one remembers or cares about.

It’s adorable that Nick H. thinks this guy actually makes a, “case,” and that this absurd collection of images constitutes, “proof.”

One thing is for certain: that comic looks awful.

I said he made a case. I didn’t say he made a good case. Nor, indeed, a bad one. I’m not a lawyer. I doubt anyone posting here is.

(Good god, the level of comments here reminds me of the bad old days of Newsarama. Whatever happened to intelligent discourse?)

It died the moment you said, “you can’t beat side-by-side comparisons for proof,” Nick H. You killed it. Its blood is on your hands, and yours alone.

If this goes forward, then Ray Bradbury’s “Something Wicked, This Way Comes,” the HBO series “Carnivale” and Herk Harvey’s 1962 film “Carnival of Souls” may want to have a word with Jazan Wild.

A movie storyboard seldom (or at least not often) looks exactly like the final shot. The director might not be able to get the proper angle, or the lighting’s bad, or they just decide to go in a different direction.

Some of the above examples are close enough to the final screenshots that an argument could be made that they were stolen. I’m not saying they were… I’m just saying that if this case gets to trial, it may not be as clear cut as it seems.

It might be you’re misinterpreting me, or it might be that I haven’t been clear enough. So I’ll try again.

If someone says “This work is totally copying my work, because both works are both about the same subject!”, there’s no proof at all.

If someone say “This work is copying my work, and I can provide these side-by-side comparisons as proof”, then there is potentially a case to answer there. This is before entering into a judgment of any proof other than the most cursory. It’s up to the lawyers to examine the similarities and determine how they compare on a legal basis, but certainly it can’t be denied that Jazan Wild has offered up what he believes is proof, rather than just shooting his mouth off.

Quite why Bobot thinks any of three three things he mentions might want to have a word with Wild, I don’t know. As I said in my first comment, it’s the execution, not the idea, that is at issue. There’s nothing wrong with having multiple mystical carnival stories (just as there is nothing wrong with having multiple western stories, or multiple spy stories). It’s when one story directly copies another story that problems arise. I don’t see any suggestion that Wild is directly copying “Something Wicked This Way Comes”, “Carnivale”, or the film called “Carnival of Souls.” Note that in the latter case, titles aren’t subject to copyright, so there’s no case to be made that Wild ‘stole’ the title.

Based on the exhibits above, I don’t see much of a case. They’re all pretty generic shots/panels of a carnival.

I agree with the people saying this case is ridiculous. So, if you have…

-a carnival
-a ringleader
-a hall of mirrors
-a generic-looking woman
-a man with dreadlocks

…then, all of these things are copyrighted, have never been done before, and they’re original ideas that Heroes took? Come ON. The pictures don’t even look that similar! No case, just a guy trying to capitalize off of a failing show — kicking something that’s already down.

I was gonna say that a superpower carnival is common enough, from X-men’s Ringmaster to of course Ray Bradbury’s Something Wicked This Way Comes. Yet upon seeing the very specific details of this comic. there are just too many specific characters and scenes that were in the comics that have very similar doppelgangers in Heroes. What i thought was a frivolous lawsuit might actually have something. In particular that scene with the house of mirrors. It just adds up to too much to be coincidence or generic ideas. And here I thought Heroes had was only bankrupt enough to steal ideas from famous comics like Watchmen and X-men. I dunno, somehow that blatant theft from known comics doesn’t seem bad compared to picking on a lesser known book like this.

TVTropes has entries for “Circus of Fear,” “Hall of Mirrors,” “Monster Clown,” “Witch Doctor,” and “Fortune Teller.” They’ve all got long, long lists of movies, TV shows, books, comics, games, and more that have used those elements.

It doesn’t matter if they’ve got a side-by-side comparison of anything. These are all very common and standard elements of fiction. Carnival Comics and Jazan Wild are idiots.

A lot of people are missing the point. While I agree that a mystical carnival setting is pretty generic, and that a lot of shots here don’t warrant much attention, there are a couple specific comparisons that appear to be blatant rip-offs of not only the angles, staging and mise-en-scene, but of the actual narrative context of the scene. That’s an important distinction.

Take for instance the shot of the protagonist talking to a dead mother through the mirrors, and then getting attacked by an enemy with kinetic blasts. Or the shot of the hunter’s scope looking at his own blond daughter before attacking the carnival. It’s not just that these settings, characters and angles are extremely similar – it’s that the very narrative context of the scenes are basically the same. If people can’t understand why the author would find this troubling, then you’re probably not a reasonable or intelligent person who can make logic-based decisions or judgments.

Some of those pictures – no. I see no real resemblance, especially concerning the ringmaster and the layout of the circus.

But what’s the likelihood of two supposedly unconnected stories in which the following happens:

A good guy goes into the house of mirrors at the creepy carnival, sees his ghostly mother inside every mirror he looks in, and while that’s happening, a bad guy comes in and starts blasting the mirrors with energy bolts from his hands.

Afterwards, a Jamaican witchdoctor does something nonspecific and a precognitive warns the carnival members that someone’s going to attack. The guy who attacks starts sniping, and apparently nearly shoots his own daughter while taking potshots at circus folk.

That apparently happens in *both* stories. Now, considering that the lost revenue that Jazan Wild may have suffered from Heroes *potentially* using his work to come up with something that really doesn’t sound that amazing in the first place, $60 million is a stretch. Maybe $250?

Nick H. has it exactly right. Of course we’ve seen evil carnivals before, but this looks like someone at Heroes was too lazy to come up with some original scriptwriting. The side-by-sides look too close to have just been coincidences. Look at where the Ferris wheels are placed in [ex.1b], the hand gestures in [ex.1c], the view from behind the shoulders towards the carnival (With the fiures in the background – arms outstretched) [ex.c2] . The “camera” angle from [ex.3a]. Not only do the characters encounter their mothers in the House of Mirrors, they each shoot bolts of lightning from their hands? -[ex. 3b & 4a]. The identical rifle scope views?— from [ex.9]………These rip-offs are distinct and obvious……NBC ….Just pay the man!…….

I dunno… I think there is just too many gerneric concepts to be taken to a lawsuit… there are many many other examples beyond these two stories, there is many role playing games that have similar charecters and concepts. I think what we see here is not a rip off but rather just these generic concepts surfacing.

If we want to take it further, All of HEROs concepts have been done before. A speedster, a flying man, someone who can shoot lightning.. how many other times have “evil carnivals” been featured in other comic books/games/movies/tv shows/novels.. is there any other media I’m missing?

I’ll get the money form the lawsuit and give it to Ray Bradbury anyway….

Jazan Wild’s dumb-ass “Carnival of Souls” looks like IT was stolen from the equally dumb-ass KISS “Psycho Circus” comics from the 90s.

I think that Jazan Wild may have made a mistake by trying to declare early concepts (the carnival itself, the ringmaster) as rip-offs, when the storyline is far more of one.

It’s NOT the circus that is the problem. It’s NOT that there’s a evil mystical carnival. It’s that the evil mystical carnival has the EXACT SAME THING happen as in the comic – something entirely different from what happened in Something Wicked This Way Comes, or Psycho Circus, or Carnivale (at least, I’m assuming that).

DKMODE you put it succinctly. The plot details beyond the basic carnival set up are so incredibly similar that it’s hard to chalk it up to coincidence.

I’m not Jazan Wild. And nor, I’m willing to bet, are DKMODE, Talanic, Bob the Wild or Greggory – all of whom are saying substantially the same thing as I am.

All we are, it would appear, are the handful of people who have actually read the entirety of this post properly.

Are you guys serious? Have any of you (who think this guy has a good case) actually watched this show? The story isn’t the same at all. Where else would Sylar be sent to see visions of those he had killed (his mother being one of them) than a house of mirrors? The carnival toilette? A barrel of dirty water? It’s a carnival. There are going to be similar elements. I could go on, but I’ll just leave it at this. Jazan Wild is full of it. I can’t wait to see his case fail and fail miserably.

Is it just me, or are all of these scenes just generic carnival pictures?

Adam you are exactly right. If this is his proof then he has no case. The side by sides don’t look close at all. It a flippin’ carnival! Over many hours of filming you could probably find stills to vaguely compare to any carnival scene anywhere. The first example being the worst. They don’t look even vaguely similar.

Hey, retards, you kinda have to read the fucking post instead of just looking at the pretty pictures and scrolling down to the comments box where you can espouse how out-of-line this guy is to bring a lawsuit against his story line being used PRETTY MUCH VERBATIM IN A NATIONALLY WATCHED TELEVISION SHOW WITHOUT ANY CREDIT WHATSOEVER.

Are you fucking kidding me, the details near the end are IDENTICAL to each other and you think this guy has no case? Absolutely laughable.

“A good guy goes into the house of mirrors at the creepy carnival, sees his ghostly mother inside every mirror he looks in, and while that’s happening, a bad guy comes in and starts blasting the mirrors with energy bolts from his hands.

Afterwards, a Jamaican witchdoctor does something nonspecific and a precognitive warns the carnival members that someone’s going to attack. The guy who attacks starts sniping, and apparently nearly shoots his own daughter while taking potshots at circus folk.”

Fucking read shit before you open your mouth and vomit everywhere, you’re wasting bandwidth.

If people are just looking at pictures and saying they dont look similar or they’re too generic to draw any conclusions, i think they’re missing the point. Sure there are tons of carnival stories, but having so many specific details in common blurs the line between expanding on a theme and plagiarism.

Chris, I repeat my question. Have you actually watched the show?
Oh, and by the way you didn’t even accurately read and quote the article yourself.
Dipshit.

“A good guy goes into the house of mirrors at the creepy carnival, sees his ghostly mother inside every mirror he looks in, and while that’s happening, a bad guy comes in and starts blasting the mirrors with energy bolts from his hands.”

Sylar wasn’t a good guy, case disproven.

Seriously, the last few comparisons are very similar in storyline and execution. While it doesn’t constitute proof, it does deserve a closer look into story elements of both series,

Josh, I understand what you are saying. You can’t just judge it on the pictures, but, I have seen the show and the similarities that this guy is trying to pin on them are laughable.

I watched the first half the most recent season and finally lost my ability to watch Heroes, the first season was so great and I finally got tired of trudging along hoping it would go back to being as good as I felt it was.

There is nothing that I can remember watching that was similar to what is described here, but I never got to the part with the scope image. So since you have watched it Christina, is there more to the hunter part that can make them different? From my view point they look remarkable close and when you tie that with the shot for shot of the mirrors it makes it look like something could be going on to substantiate the claim. The sniper shot and story with it is what is helping to convince me there is a case.

Cory, this is the discription of the scene from the Heroes website.
“Lying on a ridge overlooking the Carnival, H.R.G. finds Samuel in his sniper scope, and is about to get busy, when Lauren spies Claire. Just then, Claire calls H.R.G. to inform him that Samuel will surrender, as long as the rest of the Carnival denizens remain safe and off the grid. If there’s any chance to get this done without anyone getting hurt, they have to try. Telling Claire to meet him with Samuel in the field outside the Carnival, H.R.G. hangs up. Lauren scoffs — Samuel won’t go peacefully — but H.R.G. insists on trusting his daughter. Besides, they’ll have a clearer shot on Samuel in the field. Knowing H.R.G. to be a better shot, Lauren tells him to be careful, and leaves with the intention of escorting Samuel to the field.”

This is a discription of the house of mirrors scene. (the mother one)
“Damian leads Sylar through the labyrinth to the heart of the House of Mirrors, a chamber ringed with mirrors. He lays his hands on Sylar, then backs away, leaving Sylar to re-experience his murder of his mother, and many, many others. Brian Davis, Chandra Suresh, Isaac Mendez, and Elle Bishop, just to name a few. Sylar rips at his hair and falls to the ground begging for the memories to stop. It’s not him, it can’t be! Finally Sylar crawls his way out of the House of Mirrors, and vomits over a garbage can.”

So anyway, in the sniper scene HRG was using his scope as his binoculars and so we saw much of the scene that way. With the mirrors and the camera angles being the same, well, where else can you put your camera in a room full of mirrors without the camera being reflected?

Okay…to anyone who quotes “A good guy goes into the house of mirrors at the creepy carnival, sees his ghostly mother inside every mirror he looks in, and while that’s happening, a bad guy comes in and starts blasting the mirrors with energy bolts from his hands.” I have to laugh. It proves, alone, that the scene wasn’t stolen from the comic.

1: Sylar wasn’t a good guy.
2: Yes, he saw scenes of his dead mother.
3: SYLAR started blasting the mirrors with kinetic energy.

There was no “good guy” in the scene at all. And a “bad guy” didn’t show up at the end and start blowing crap up.

For the first side by side, you need an extremely good imagination to see a similarity at all.
For the second. Umm… “Notice the same color design and style of clothes, as well as the position of characters.” Seriously? Completely different outfits. The idiot from the comic looks like a typical ringmaster. The guy (Samuel) from the show could pretty much walk down the street without too many odd looks. And, yes, both characters are pretty much centered in the shot. Wow…what a shock. 1 character in the scene. Where the hell ELSE do you think the guy running the camera’s going to put them?
“The camera angle of the House Of Mirrors and the design, specifically the title above the entrance and pull away red curtains, are substantially similar.” Umm…yeah…if by “substantially similar” you mean “not even remotely close.” Take a look. The ONLY similarity in the title above the entrance is that they both say “House Of Mirrors.” Which, you know, is what a sign telling you that you’re entering a house of mirrors is sort of going to say. I mean, it’s not like you’re going to see a sign saying “Building Filled With Reflective Surfaces.”
I could go on, but I’m sure you get the point. I would say this idiot has no case at all, but I think that might be giving him too much credit. I can’t even begin to understand how the case made it into court in the first place.

Hey, Chris? You want us to read stuff before we say there’s no case?

I’ve got a better idea for you. See, like you, we did read it. More importantly, manifestly UNlike you, we watched the scenes in question from the show.

The similarities between the two? Non-friggin’-existent. To call them “virtually identical” would be laughable if it wasn’t so pathetic.

Thank you Synch. Well said.

Similar accustions came out during Heroes Season 3.

There was a scene with Sylar and Elle, where Elle was shackeled in a holding cell at the Pinehearst Institute, Sylar entered the cell and Elle blasted him with a huge blast oof Lightning…The way that they showed Sylars skin blasting away from the lightning was very VERY similar to the Dr. Manhattan scene in the Watchmen movie. So Similar that it could have been story-boarded using either the graphic novel or movie.

I wouldn’t put it past the people behind Heroes doing this.

I also can see that this guy may have a case, although the first half of his arguments fall terribly flat when you consider the history of “evil circus” stories going back decades.

But the last few images… he might be able to build a case off of that. Might. But I’m guessing the main goal is to settle on this anyway. He should be able to walk out with a few hundred thousand from NBC no problem.

For those that are saying the “sniper scope” comparison is evidence of plagiarism, I would like to point out a few of facts.

The Heroes character, HRG, used a sniper scope to see two people in a previous season. It’s not a new concept or “storyboard” for the show. Oh, and he used the scope to try to kill a really, really powerful “bad guy”.

The character being targeted in the comic is the protagonist. The character being targeted in Heroes is the antagonist.

Targeting a “bad guy” while having an “innocent” in the sights is far from a new concept. It creates something, called drama for the audience.

HRG has been a “hunter” since the inception of Heroes, way back in 2006. Perhaps Mr. Wild stole that idea?

The comparison of the comic to the movie is debatable. I’m pretty sure we could also find similar comic cases vs. movie frames with Something wicked this way come or even Howling VI: The Freaks. However both movies were made way before the comics…

I can’t wait to hear the outcome of this. Even though the sad news came that the show is cancelled, I’m glad in a way. Before you throw tomatoes at me let me explain: Tim Kring was never able to grasp the energy and the simple complexity of the first season. The show has been on a downfall ever since.

As for poor Mister Wild, he will definitely get a kick of publicity and sale boost out of this and that’s a shame. But hey, that’s how some people get rich. Marketing…

Are you kidding me? The only reason these two things happen to be similar is because they’re both set in a carnival. Carnivals typically have tents, signs, poles, ferris wheels, a house of mirrors, fortune tellers, etc. Having these elements present in both the comic and the tv show is not surprising at all. The only thing that strikes me as fishy is the side-by-side of the two characters being aimed at by a long range weapon. Otherwise, I think saying Tim Kring stole the idea for last season of Heroes is 1) making excuses for crappy television and 2) the Carnival of Souls creator thinking he could make a great deal of money off of the show now that it’s over.

Apart from the House of Mirrors, I can’t see anything that could possibly be ripped-off.

Jason Beamaroonietoonie

May 20, 2010 at 10:45 am

A house of mirrors? A carnival barker wearing a double-breasted suit with a vest? A fortune-teller? How incredibly unique! I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like that in a carnival, ever!

I’ve never read Carnival of Souls or watched this season of Heroes. While some of the similarities can probably be thrown out as being cliche carnival elements, NBC will probably have to prove that the more specific elements were developed independantly of Carnival of Souls. The big ones in my mind are the character with glowing eyes, the visions in the mirrors, and a guy seing his daughter through his gun sight. If Heroes had previous examples of visions, glowing eyes, or scenes through gun sights then they’ll probably win the case. But it’ll be up to them to prove it.
Personally, I doubt the NBC will want to go to that much trouble for a cancelled show. They’ll probably settle out of court and be done with it as quickly as possible.

If Heroes had previous examples of visions, glowing eyes, or scenes through gun sights then they’ll probably win the case.
They do, they do, and they do.

I’d be surprised to find out that Heroes even uses storyboards.

It’s all a moot point. Copyright, by definition, covers the SPECIFIC EXPRESSION. Hell, the character names are different, it’s in a different medium, and there is no way there were any actual damages incurred by this. It’s a money/publicity grab. If you don’t agree with that then you support terrorists.

“The opening shot of the Carnival on Heroes (right), has the Ferris Wheel and tents in the same position as Carnival of Souls (left). Colors of poles are the same; sign positions are the same and the string lights are the same. The scene appears to be directly storyboarded from Carnival of Souls and uses the same camera angle.)”

Image one shows a distorted sort of ‘knee-high” view
Image two is from a crane shot above the people, tents etc.

The only thing similar about the two shots is that A) they’re pointed at the subject and B) the story behind them are both poorly written and an extreme waste of valuable minutes of your life.

If they did ripp off this load of crap from “Jazan” I think NBC should sue the shit out of him for creating such pathetic source material.

Why is his silly pen-name three times as large as the name of the book? Ego over content I guess…

“It’s all a moot point. Copyright, by definition, covers the SPECIFIC EXPRESSION. “

I think that’s why the exhibits repeatedly emphasize that a scene “seems to be directly storyboarded from Carnival of Souls.” Wild isn’t simply arguing that both works have a carnival, a sinister barker/ringleader, etc., but that, in his view, camera angles, scene compositions, costumes and so on are “virtually identical.”

Laughable, at best.

I didn’t know what this book was so when I heard the claim, I didn’t think much of it. Maybe Heroes did rip them off, I didn’t know.

If this is his proof though, I hope he enjoys being laughed out of court.

Does Awful on Awful cancel each other out?

I’ve read the comic. Terrible.

I watched those final episodes of Heroes. Terrible.

Sadly, they are eerily similar, and it does look like somebody at the already lazy Heroes decided to steal bad elements from a bad comic to create a bad story.

Now, they should both just go away…

Hey look guys I want to make money on a famous just cancelled show. I’ll use my horrible comic and make a case of plagiarism so people can see how bad my comic was and perhaps drive sales if anything. Maybe some poor suckers will buy my crap upon hearing is my frivolous lawsuit. Oh and Heroes did suck and was blatantly derivative of many comics but I highly doubt this comic had any influence whatsoever. Try making the case of Rising Stars and I could see it in court.

…Is this a joke?

Of course, with every year, it will be harder and harder to use similar tropes without inviting comparisons. If Carnival of Souls had become as acclaimed as Watchmen or some other classic, it would be seen as a tribute (which is why JMS has not kicked up a fuss about Heroes being similar to Rising Stars or Star Trek: Deep Space 9 being similar to Babylon 5). When you inject YOUR characters into another easily recognizable story, everyone seems to get it. The fact that few people have even heard of this comic, much less read it is probably part of the problem. I suspect that a bid for validation of his work is also behind the lawsuit.

That’s all I got. I think were done here.

Nick H, I am a lawyer. It wouldn’t be up to me to decide, but I think most would find this case does not have any real footing. The reaction of most people on this page is evidence of that. MOST people given the evidence would not find it more likely than no that there was some sort of theft in the above case… At least not without further evdience.

IMHO and based on these images, there’s a very good chance the writer/s of that season used the comic as a source of “inspiration”. Pretty obvious in some cases like the House of Mirrors shots and the sniper’s scope view. At the very least, Jazan Wild’s got a case, even if not necessarily a good one. That said, I don’t think he deserves 60 millions. 2 millions at the most and only that much to serve as a lesson for the people in charge of Heroes. One they can pass on to their writers.

Here’s the question – why would they do this?

As pointed out, the individual elements are generic enough that nobody can reasonably claim that ‘Carnival of Souls’ developed them. Even the shots themselves are that generic. The thing is that when you deliberately try to make your comic book solely to pitch a movie, and draw every shot as a camera would film it [and I'm sure some intrepid 'Heroes' fan could find sources for a lot of that; I'd suggest starting with the Tobe Hooper film 'The Funhouse'], then this is what’s going to happen. Some of the angles you drew will match angles that actual filmmakers use. Only simple-minded people who can’t think beyond whatever narrative they’re immediately exposed to could possibly think this guy’s story is the most sensible explanation for the at-best vague similarities.

I mean, I understand stealing from ‘Watchmen’ and ‘X-Men’, but why would they steal from ‘random obscure shit that nobody’s ever heard of that didn’t actually do anything “original” in concept or execution’?

Marko:

A lawyer’s opinion is very interesting, considering the legal standpoint, but I’d also like to hear a director and/or a storyboarder’s. I wonder what people who regularly have to create / interpret / use this kind of material as the basis of live action performances / interpretations would have to say about this. Expert opinion, y’know?

As for the reaction of most people on this page:

A fairly unknown creator of a fairly unimpressive comic sues a very successful show starring super-powered characters that happens to be a very big hit with comic book fans for an excessive amount of money.
The evidence is a few images with art that is not exactly awe-inspiring and doesn’t even match exactly the shots from the series (the fact that live action interpretations don’t necessarily -and, I think, almost never- match exactly the storyboards hasn’t been mentioned by anyone, I believe)? Ahem…
We’re all comic book fans here and I believe a vast majority of us loves the show as a whole and doesn’t like to see it under attack of any kind for any reason (including bad writers :D). So, not exactly surprising, imho. :) And not particularly worthwhile as evidence, either (imho, of course). :)

Sir Manley Johnson

May 22, 2010 at 2:41 pm

What this seems to prove is how both creators have drawn from the same well of established tropes in the fantasy horror genre.

I am also a lawyer, and while I have not read the complaint and don’t have a clue what Carnival of Souls is about, I have to admit to being troubled over some of the apparent similarities. Most notably the bit where the hunter is looking at the ringmaster and the hunter’s daughter through a rifle scope. Not knowing how the characters in the comic got into that situation, I would have to say that’s a pretty remarkable similarity that seems a bit too improbable to be a coincidence. Honestly, I’ve always thought the whole carnival plot on Heroes was just so weird and out-there that I assumed they were ripping off somebody — I’d assumed it was the HBO Carnivale series.

Oh, and a few minor points.
1. When Sylar first went into the mirror house, he was a “good guy.” This was when he was in the middle of one of his innumerable tedious redemption arcs. Actually, IIRC, when he went into the mirror house, he still thought he was Nathan, didn’t he?
2. I don’t see any comparison at all between Heroes and Rising Stars except for the fact that both involve superheroes who seldom if ever wear traditional superhero costumes. However, it is pretty much undisputed that DS9 brazenly ripped off B5 — JMS initially shopped B5 as a Star Trek spinoff, and the producers of DS9 had access to the B5 bible. The only reason JMS didn’t sue over it was because the company that produced B5 was a joint venture between Warner Bros. and Paramount, the latter of whom produced DS9. Either he was outright contractually barred from suing one of the parent companies or he just decided not to bite the hand the was feeding him.

The first set of images are claimed to have the same camera angle, but those of us with eyes can see that this isnt true. The comic book image is a snail’s eye view, the Heroes image is an overhead shot. At first I thought the language was chosen becasue it was the only legal jargan that suited the claim, but later several panels are said to have camera angels that are “substantially similar,” which would have been more apropreate. The really funny thing is that one of the “substantially similar,” examples (the guy with the energy-hands standing in the hall of mirrors) is in fact the exact same camera angle!

I also thought it was funny that they use the costume worn by the ringmaster as proof of wrongdoing. One has a hat, the other doesn’t. Besides, they are both wearing extremley standard ringmaster atire. It’s jsut funny is all.

There is no lawsuit here. The proof is non-consistent. The judge will throw this out.

Man, all this stuff up until 3B is EXTREMELY flimsy and only served to make me scoff at this guy’s case. From 3B on I am seeing some pretty substantial similarities. But if this guy is really trying to make a case based on visuals, he’s going to fail. Lousy art and shoddy final season notwithstanding, I think it’s coincidental.

Perhaps Jazan Wild should have received permission for Gene Simmons for naming his comic after a Kiss album, then kinda ripping off the carnival/circus story from Psycho Circus. I’d laugh my ass off if he actually won his 60 mil, then Simmons came along with bigger and better lawyers and took it away from him.

I don’t know this kind of strikes me as a Heap vs. Swampthing vs. Manthing story.

Since comics feature so heavily in the Story of Heroes it wouldn’t surprise me if the writer or director came across various elements in Carnival of Souls (and the Circus of Crime, and Something Wicked this Way Comes) before writing up this story line, but to claim a direct pull is asking alot of the Jury.

Like all the various swamp monsters, the tropes are just too ingrained in liturature to claim that anyone stole anything.

It also is perhaps worth noting that I believe in Heroes that is electrical energy not kinetic energy being used against the mirrors.

Also, just to make a point, the story board isn’t taken from the comic, at least not as shown. The opening scenes are at differnt times (day in the comic, night in the television program), the angle of the shot although similar frames things very differntly, note that the Ferris wheel is far more prominant and facing towards the viewer in the comic, and is in the background and shown only from the side in the television program. These subtle differnces show that it likely wasn’t a direct lift, even if there were influences.

Aside from having a Jamacian Mystic (looks like Marvel will be suing both for lifing Doctor Voodoo from them) there really isn’t that much that is directly relatable, at least from what is shown here.

You perhaps have an argument about some story items, but again I don’t know if they are unique enough to warrant such a claim.

You know, I would imagine that there are only so many ways that you shoot the opening of a carnival, and they likely all open up with a ferris wheel in the left hand corner and a large banner across the center of the shot. Likewise, ringmasters outfits are pretty uniform, and I believe Purple is the same color that the Ringmaster in the Circus of Crime wears (as well as the Joker, another circus themed villain).

Likewise, halls of mirrors usually feature the shot from above at it’s most dramatic point, and the hero shooting at the images they see is fairly common as well.

bluedevil2002

May 22, 2010 at 10:06 pm

Two comments:

1.) “PRETTY MUCH VERBATIM IN A NATIONALLY WATCHED TELEVISION SHOW WITHOUT ANY CREDIT WHATSOEVER.”

—-Um….if Heroes was so nationally watched…why did it get cancelled? Sorry…cheap shot. But I’m another one of those fans that was frustrated at how hard this show crashed.

2.) “Wild (aka Jason Barnes) wants to prevent NBC from rebroadcasting the season,”

—-Really, I dont’ think that’s going to be an issue. NBC has never rerun any Heroes, except for a few occassional times when they were prepping for a new season’s return, or they just needed to buy themselves a week during the season. And with the show cancelled, I don’t think they’ll worry about reruning it anymore. (Especially since no one watched it the first time — sorry, another cheap shot. It’s just too easy.)

While I’m seeing some very BASIC and BROAD similarities in the comparison pictures, I would say that it’s because carnival stuff is fairly generic. The House of Mirrors sign being “similar”? What else is a house of mirrors sign supposed to say? The Ferris wheel and tent shot is so generic and NOT ripped off that it’s not even funny. The camera angles AREN’T the same.

Anyway, the entire season of Heroes was full of carnival stuff. Was it a mass conspiracy of numerous writers, directors, actors, and crew to rip off this comic that no one has heard of to get a handful of random shots and plot elements strewn across a bunch of episodes?

Yes, I can see that a few of the story elements seem similar, but if you look hard enough, you can compare any one thing to any other thing. All it takes is time. Blame Heroes for having a lot of common carnival tropes, but this is ridiculous…

Oh, and the Ringmaster with his arm outstretched looks like it was ripped off from Harold Zidler in Moulin Rouge, so Jazan owes Baz Lurhmann a billion dollars.

Heroes has been blatantly ripping off mainstream comic books (mostly X-Men and Watchmen) since it began. We should give them credit for ripping off something not many people have read.

There is enought similar elements used the same way to make a case.

I’m reminded of 3 Original TWILIGHT ZONE episodes (“Minature”,”Sounds and Silence” and “Short Drink from A Certian Fountain”) That were tied up for years do to lawsuits from writers who had similar stories. These episodes wern’t put into the syndication package untill the 1980′s!

I’m not saying they were copied but similar ideas can come together by different writers in the same way.

This is sad. IMHO the one point worth arguing is the vodoo doctor. And as pointed out heroes has always had glowing eyes.

The mirrors are completely unrelated as sylar sees a lot more than just his mother, and the point of it is for him to recover his memory. not have a conversation with her.

The scope thing is as stated taken out of context. in the comic it is the good guy being spotted by the hunter. in the show the bad guy. Which also as stated is a common dramatic element. And probably good to note that it is actualy a member of the carnivale which ends up doing the shooting.

Samuel and fat guy have nothing in common. And the carnivale does not get destroyed in the end of heroes. A few parts get damaged at best, and i think its important to note that they were unable to use live action shots as reference because the two villans were nothing alike.

As for the vodoo guy. He is not doing something unspecific in heroes. He uses his powers to make them have visions in the house of mirrors, and reveiw their pasts.

There have been fortune tellers in heroes before the carnival, and it would be sad if the carnival didn’t have one.

As far as people saying heroes went downhill after season one. I disagree strongly that season 3 parts one and two were much better. although yes season 2 made me sad. Blame the writers strike not the show.

Enough Bashing

May 24, 2010 at 5:17 pm

OK. Pretty much a one sided Heroes fanfest going on in here. I would like to pose the question that if Jazan Wild’s book had came out in 2011 and Heroes sued him with the same evidence, would this big hate fest be directed at the sweethearts over at NBC?

I unlike 90 percent of the commentors here, not only looked at the few sample pictures above but also read the complaint at Wild’s publisher’s site and the note that went with it, stating he never claimed he owned any carnival story but his own. After reading the complaint I determined that there is more than enough story lifting for three lawsuits. Plus even more damning pictures not presented here.

1. A carnival that is led by a dark figure with the sole purpose of collecting people with special powers to make his carnival more powerful.

2. A kid that goes to a carnival and gets a prophecy and that same carnival seeks him out years later.

3. (And for me here’s where it gets pretty undeniable) A lead character in the story is being chased by an angry mob “not too unlike the mob posting on this forum” after being accused of murder. He is running in a remote wooded area when suddenly, a magical carnival appears. The carnival (which is empty) rescues him.

4. (And again for me here’s where it gets even more undeniable) Once the lead guy is in the carnival, he goes to a house of mirrors and sees dear ole departed mom. She tells him bad stuff and he screams out. What I find funny in the picture of both screams is dead mother is right over his shoulder. come on. But that picture is at the publisher’s site.

Both carnivals have a voodoo witchdoctor which look nothing alike. Yea right. Again strongest picture is at the publisher’s site, not posted here.

At this point I’ll stop the points to say, that these sequence of events are in only two carnival stories. Heroes and Jazan Wild’s carnival. Think about it, all 4 of these events occur in both stories, in the same order.

Again if Jazan Wild’s book came out in 2011 and heroes sued, I have a feeling all the same commentors here, would be saying Heroes would have a slam dunk case. It’s ok to love a show. But find a moral compass for crying the f out loud. It’s feeling like the OJ jury in here.

I recently saw a season of ‘Smallville’ where virtually every episode seemed to be based on a popular movie! It seems that this sort of thing is extremely common. The trick is to have enough pop culture knowledge to spot the copies

@ Enough Bashing:

First, it’s Jazan’s books, it’s not book. He made multiple books and the backstories leading up to this “controversy” are nothing similar.

Second, if he published them in 2011, or even 2001, nobody would have read them. The vast majority of people only know about this because he sued NBC.

Now, to your points:

1. A Ringmaster trying to increase his power by recruiting “special” people is original? You have got to be kidding. Ever heard of the “Ringmaster”? Or any carny barker? That is in many way their JOB.

2. That didn’t happen in Heroes. The “found” child in Heroes was already a part of the carny and he had an older brother. Also, the two characters aren’t remotely similar. One is the “good” guy, while the other is the freakin “evil leader” of the carny.

3. It wasn’t an angry mob that Sylar was fleeing, it was the Police. Also, running in a remote area only to find a magical place is of course a brand new idea…

4. The House of Mirrors was established in Heroes to be a place to “learn” things about yourself. Again, not a new concept in storytelling when it comes to Carnivals. Did the “main” character in Jazan’s books kill his mother? Did he lose his memory? Sylar did. Also, there was no second person in the scene, unlike Jazan’s books. And Sylar saw multiple visions, not just his mom.

As for the Voodoo witchdoctor, can you tell me what one is supposed to look like, especially in a freakin Carnival? My guess would be middle aged, black and with cornrolls. Again, not a new concept.

As for the sequencing, how the heck else are you supposed to tell a story? Give away the ending at the beginning?

It’s interesting how many former fans of the show are “angry mobbing” this comment thread. It’s my guess that they can see a baseless lawsuit that is attempting to gain fame and/or money off of a famous television show. Jazan has certainly got more “views” than his stories deserved based upon this suit, so, in some respects, he has partially succeeded.

Enough Bashing

May 25, 2010 at 6:45 pm

@wolfbro

Again it is clear that you did not read the lawsuit. And, as you say if no one read the books, then how can so many here be making so many comments without the facts. Here’s a few facts to start with. According to the lawsuit, the Carnival Of Souls digital comics was featured in the LA Times for being the first digital comic book on Blackberry, where it was the #1 ebook for months and is currently #3. The article even mentioned Heroes in it for their online comics. He was featured in Entertainment Weekly and Nokia named his company their 2009 success story, for having hundreds of thousands of downloads. That’s not no one read it. Maybe you didn’t and that’s ok. Just don’t comment about what you don’t know. And it also appears he didn’t need the press.

1. The leader of a carnival that collects people with special abilities to make his magical carnival stronger, is not every ringmaster’s job. But it is in these two stories. Again, nowhere does the lawsuit say that Wild is claiming ownership of every carnival story or every aspect of the story.

But when the story has a dark leader collecting souls for a carnival, and a child entering the carnival and that same carnival seeking him out to recruit him for his special abilities,as well as a magical carnival appearing in the woods to collect a carnie on the run,

And a house of mirrors in which the lead character sees his dead mother, and a hunter attacking that carnival to try to destroy it, and then have the carnival destroyed. (This was what the online version of Heroes graphic novel ending was to Season 4, as opposed to the TV version.)

Now that’s a lot when it’s looked at in it’s entirety. Now add in some of the same camera angles and shots. Again if it were Heroes suing Wild, I doubt you would take the same position of almost wanting to not see what seems pretty straight forward.

2. The child entering the carnival is Hiro. In the graphic novel it is described this way, and all of this is in the lawsuit, should you care to read it:

Title “Stolen Fate”

“A mysterious and powerful Carnival has been intersecting with the lives of our Heroes. 14 years ago,
Hiro Nakamura visited this very Carnival as a boy when it was in Tokyo. There he was given a fortune prophesying his heroic destiny.”

What I find funny about this is that no where for three seasons was this mentioned at all. In fact Heroes whole season felt out of place to me. But that’s an opinion. Not fact.

Jazan’s story has him entering a carnival as a boy and receiving a prophecy when he speaks the words “I want to live in a Carnival forever.” The leader of that carnival then replies “Come see me in about 15 years”
The online description of Jazan’s graphic novel is “Each character has a story to tell about why they have succumbed to the Carnival Of Souls. This Caravan Of The Damned travels between this world and the next, between reality and dreams!”

Then both carnival’s seek them out. That’s the facts. Read the suit.

3. Angry Mob chasing is a angry mob chasing if it’s the police or it’s girlscouts selling cookies. The fact is if there are other stories that a have a person being chased through a wooded area when suddenly a deserted magical carnival appears and takes the person in, because he has special abilities and is being recruited to this magical carnival, please produce it.

4. If someone steals 7 dollars out of the ten dollars off your dresser top, did they not still steal it? One is named Sylar and one is named Jazan. So what. It’s still the same storyline.

Again this same character that just got rescued by this magical carnival in the middle of the woods, now heads to the house of mirrors and the first words spoken in both stories are the same? Not to mention all this is still ocurring in the same order of events.

5. The fact that the voodoo witchdoctor is there at all just adds more on the pile, legally. There is a point when coincidence ends and plagiarism begins.

In the end, it seems like what is going on here is malicious. It seems as I said before, The case at the very least seems to have merit from a legal stand point. But I’m just looking at the facts. Again it’s ok to love a TV Show, but do you love plagiarism? Lose or Win, the guy has the right to defend his property.

Now really, the same could be said about you using this lawsuit claim to be bashing a show that you hate. It’s okay, but it just seems as if you’re just looking for excuses to bash the show. Carnival elements had already been present in other mediums such as Carnivale, if they really wanted to sue someone.

Enough Bashing

May 31, 2010 at 10:13 pm

@Eid

Don’t hate Heroes and Don’t love it either. I find the law interesting. Your comment once again, shows you didn’t read the suit. It has nothing to do with Carnival elements, but rather particular storylines and storyboards being stolen. Carnivale to my knowledge, never had:

A lead character in the story that is being chased by an angry mob after being accused of murder. He is running in a remote wooded area when suddenly, a magical carnival appears. The carnival (which is empty) rescues him. Once the lead guy is in the carnival, he goes to a house of mirrors and sees dear ole departed mom. She tells him bad stuff and he screams out. Not to mention a hunter attacking the carnival and the carnival being destroyed etc…

As the suit shows Heroes and Carnival does have these same storylines. The facts are interesting.

I can’t believe people would even take this seriously, considering the title of the series is directly lifted from two films previously released, most notably…

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055830/

SHOCKER! This one’s about a woman who is drawn to a mysterious travelling carnival. This idea was never original, and people could just as easily be suing the creator of “Jazan Wild’s Carnival of Souls”, but they aren’t.

@ Liana

You can’t sue over a name unless it’s trademarked like Pepsi. Carnival of souls was used by Rob Zombie for Halloween nights at Universal Studios and by many bands as titles of their cds and their band’s name.
I can’t believe people who read the lawsuit aren’t taking it seriously. They used quite a bit of the dude’s story and even did it in the same order. I don’t get everyone attacking the one guy standing up to them. Good for him.

Look at these shots from wild’s site, where the whole lawsuit is shown, and tell me you don’t see a problem.

http://www.jazanwild.com/NBC_LAWSUIT_HEROES_JPEGS_WEBSITE/WITCHDOCTOR.jpg

http://www.jazanwild.com/NBC_LAWSUIT_HEROES_JPEGS_WEBSITE/EXHIBIT_4B.jpg

“Above is the ‘House Of Mirrors’ from both series. The camera angle of the House Of Mirrors and the design, specifically the title above the entrance and pull away red curtains, are substantially similar. The scene seems to be directly storyboarded from Carnival of Souls.)”

seriously? house of mirrors is in every carnival, and the title is above each one of them (they are totally different by the way, i don’t see same design, i’m sorry).. pull away red curtains are in every fking circus or carnival aswell, this is sad

Enough Bashing

June 6, 2010 at 8:47 pm

@ oliver

Isn’t it funny that again you are not seeing the forest for the trees. That house of mirrors scene is preceeded by a person with special powers running from an angry mob, when a magical carnival appears and takes him in before the mob can get him. Now the scene with the house of mirrors which does look similar, comes into play in the very same order in both stories. Now the scene that follows has the person with special powers enter this house of mirrors and see his departed mother in the mirrors. By the way both insides of the house of mirrors also look the same. So story and appearance are similar.

BTW here’s a shot of the house of mirrors from Something wicked this way comes. I guess they forgot to put on the red curtains and house of mirrors sign.

http://content8.flixster.com/photo/13/57/99/13579970_gal.jpg?ver=20100601

BTW here’s a shot of the inside of the house of mirrors from SWTWC. I guess they forgot to make it in a circle and made it as a smoke filled maze instead, oh yea and they forgot to add the dead mother.

BTW after a 2 minute google search I found nothing that looked like Jazan and Heroes house of mirrors but did find these.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44734986@N00/2307665293

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_bcS60NRiXFk/SWa36bN8-PI/AAAAAAAABBM/hDQGDygWRQM/s400/MA-FF-43-moondragon.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gairid/3843081213/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/angeleena_z/2858243502/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hometownzero/1651001/

Again it’s ok to love a TV Show, but do you love plagiarism?

Enough Bashing

June 6, 2010 at 8:54 pm

Sorry. Here is the missing link.

BTW here’s a shot of the inside of the house of mirrors from SWTWC. I guess they forgot to make it in a circle and made it as a smoke filled maze instead, oh yea and they forgot to add the dead mother.

http://content7.flixster.com/photo/13/57/99/13579973_gal.jpg?ver=20100601

Enough Bashing

June 6, 2010 at 9:03 pm

@ oliver

Isn’t it funny that again you are not seeing the forest for the trees. That house of mirrors scene is preceeded by a person with special powers running from an angry mob in a remote wooded area, when a magical carnival appears and takes him in before the mob can get him. Now the scene with the house of mirrors which does look similar, comes into play in the very same order in both stories. Now the scene that follows that scene has the person with special powers enter this house of mirrors and see his departed mother in the mirrors. By the way both insides of the house of mirrors also look the same. So story and appearance are similar.

BTW here’s a shot of the house of mirrors from Something wicked this way comes. I guess they forgot the put on the red curtains and house of mirrors sign.

http://content8.flixster.com/photo/13/57/99/13579970_gal.jpg?ver=20100601

Go get um Wild! Don’t listen to the haters. You have to be blind not to see that Heroes cherrypicked your stuff.

Enough Bashing

June 14, 2010 at 2:04 pm

(Enough Bashing, this is why I chose that username for these posts. I said in my earlier comment that it’s ok to love a show, but do you love plagiarism? It has become very obvious that the venom on this and other sites about this case was an attack. The Heroes fan site “The 9th Wonder” clearly shows this to be the case.)

( Wolfbro describes himself as “Being a freedom fighter, a force for good.” But then posts this. Again opinions are fine but inciting violence, slander and attacks are not. Especially from an administrator of the site.)

Wolfbro : May 18 2010, 12:31 AM

I’ve watched the first two of these and I just can’t see the similarity the plaintiff is claiming. The are not even remotely similar other than there was a carnival involved. Yep, that’s it so far. Jeez, we need a whiney bitch slap motivator for people trying to get rich off of the works of others. Also, this story really isn’t very good. It deserves a backhand for being so predicable.

(This is the group Administrator, believe or not. First of all, he watched two video chapters which is about 12 pages into the first book. The lawsuit states that this is a rip over a three issue story arc. Not part of the first book. The most substantial rips begin at the end of book 1 with the carnival appearing to collect the running Carney. Most of book one is the carney’s story. Book 2 has the House Of Mirrors scene with the mother. Book 3 has the hunter attacking the carnival and the carnival being destroyed.

Again whiney bitch is what an Administrator of the Official / unofficial Heroes fan site calls an independent graphic novelist for standing up against a huge corporation, for what he at least, believes is plagiarism.)

Doombringer11 : May 18 2010, 07:15 AM and May 18 2010, 02:53 PM

Point is,how will this affect Heroes?

It effects our chances of continueing the story through spinoffs and other means.If he wins,Heroes will have a tough time continueing at all.

(My original statement is that “it’s ok to love a show, but do you love plagiarism?”)

MrHalliwell : May 18 2010, 10:57 AM

This is ******…don’t worry we will get 4th season on DVD…if not…grrrr…someone will get hurt! seriouslly!

(So the attack is mounted against someone who spent years making his independent series. Got it published in 2005 and 2006. Made a success to the point it’s the first comic on Blackberry according to the suit and #1 ebook on that phone, which is carried by Sprint, which has been a Heroes sponsor since season three; this person is now under attack for defending his property, because fans want a dvd release. This is the most trivial, unscrupulous reason to try to prevent justice from taking place.)

FlyingGirl : May 18 2010, 03:03 PM

Should I have the ninjas placed on standby sir?

(More of the same. Conspiring to change the outcome of a legal matter and suggesting bodily harm.)

jen12037 : May 18 2010, 06:00 PM

i’m sure us fans will take care of it

(And I got the answer to my question. These Heroes fans, do find that loving a show, outweighs any concerns about plagiarism. Even if you don’t agree with the case, let the courts decide, that’s what they are there for. This is mob mentality at it finest and it’s wrong.)

psychopathicROC : May 29 2010, 10:08 AM

yeah, because 4400 and rising stars are the only things to ever have mutants being hunted, a way to artificially obtain powers, etc, and this dumbfart was the creator of mystical carnivals.

( Side note. This poster continues the untruth that was started about this suit from the second it became known. No where in this suit or any where has it ever been said that Jazan said he created any mystical carnival but his own. When you got nothing to stand on, make up lies.)

(The part that was most telling to support Wild’s case is also found on the 9th Wonder site and comes from a Heroes fan who chose to go against the mob mentality and speak his mind. Brock joined in 2006 and has posted over 86 times. He is attacked by the other more hellbent posters because they don’t want to hear his side. But at least he does not love plagiarism more than the show. Good for him for having a moral center.)

Brock Samson (joined 9th Wonder on Sept 26th of 2006 with over 86 posts)
May 24 2010, 05:46 PM

If you’ve seen the series and read the graphic novels, you would see the similarities become more evident. I was tempted to do a frame-by-frame with the GN when I saw first saw the carnival storyline.

It doesn’t have to be that exact. If you look at movies that are adaptions of comics, some of them aren’t even as close as these two. It’s not quite as generic a claim as some of you say. It does have merit.

Even more than Species and Splice

(Note a Heroes fan who had read Jazan Wild’s Carnival Of Souls, saw the rip when Heroes aired the Carnival Storyline. Long before any suit was made known.)

It’s ok to love a T.V. Show… But Come On. Get a sense of right and wrong. This is Wrong.

Jeez, Enough Bashing/Spaceman, get a life.

Ha Ha!!!!!!!

BUSTED.

Heroes troll patrol got busted being villians!

Wolfbro is Wolfbro and the Admin at 9th Wonder (an NBC backed website)

Synch is the Synch at 9th Wonder (featured on Heroes NBC backed site)

Christina is the NerdGirl1980 at 9th Wonder

Enough Bashing was right. They planned a whole smear campaign

so that the dvd of season 4 would come out.

So Lame. You guys need to get a life and then do something

better with it.

Nope, sorry, not me. And I really don’t think there is anything to worry about as far as the DVD coming out because this lawsuit is going to fail, and fail miserably. ; )



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