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Who should be the next Thunderbolt?

Marvel Two In One #86

So for a few days now has been running a poll asking folks which villain should join the Thunderbolts. Choices include a lot of great classic villains, like the Absorbing Man, Batroc, Mr. Hyde and The Shocker, as well as some that aren’t quite so classic, like Dr. Demonicus.

I’ve changed my vote several times now, as I keep going back and forth on who really deserves the kind of redemption being a Thunderbolt could bring:

  • I started out backing Sandman, because I always thought Flint Marko got a raw deal when they turned him back into a villain. The now-classic Marvel Two-in-One #86 was a quiet story where Sandman and The Thing hung out at a bar, trading tales and becoming friends, that set up the Sandman as the ultimate case of redemption. Marko eventually moving on to work for Silver Sable and even became an Avenger. I mean, look how happy he is here — doesn’t he deserve a second second chance?
  • But then I started to remember that the Absorbing Man also had some desire to get away from his life of crime, so I started backing him. Plus, he was ahead of Sandman and probably had a better chance of winning. I always thought Crusher Creel was an awesome bad guy; I still remember an issue of the Avengers where he pretty much took apart the team by himself, until he turned into glass or smoke or whatever substance was around him that he accidentally touched. But he showed his softer side later on, marrying his insane girlfriend Titania and even becoming a follower of Thor, before eventually being portrayed as a villain again. But hey, maybe this time redemption will finally stick.
  • Or maybe not. The more I thought of some of those classic fights he’s had with Avengers and Thor, the more I decided maybe I didn’t want him redeemed. And you know who else might be even more deserving? Madame Masque. Sure, she’s been the Hood’s right-hand woman most recently, but she started her career as someone more misguided than evil. Let’s see, she’s the daughter of an evil super villain, she’s got a scarred face, she’s the former lover of Tony Stark … she even had a “bio duplicate” who hung out with the Avengers for a time. So there’s a nice redemption story there that’s been set up by past events. She’s also taken the lead this morning, knocking the Shocker out of the top spot.

Could any of these guys or gals be redeemed? I was holding out hope that one of them just might make it, like Songbird and Atlas and Techno, er, and MACH-V. But who really knows, except for Thunderbolts writer Jeff Parker.

“And hey, don’t worry about which villains are redeemable when you write in- I sure don’t,” Parker said on Twitter.




How the heck are Shocker and Madam Masque leading that poll by such a huge margin? I guess MM got a lot of face time as the Hood’s moll recently and she’s one of the only two females there but Shocker? I don’t get that at all.

Well, I’ve voted for Madame Masque a few times now myself. :) But Shocker is… shocking. There must be a campaign going on somewhere; is there a Shocker fan site I don’t know about?

The Ugly American

December 22, 2010 at 10:15 am

Probably a little background is in order

I too was disappointed when the Sandman was turned back into a villian. I kept hoping that it was all part of a Nick Fury plan, for Flint Marco to go deep undercover amongst the super-villians of the MU. But too much time has passed for that to be a credible.

As for new Thunderbolt recruits

: Titania (but without Absorbing Man)
: Trickshot
: Tigershark
: Joystick
: Cardinal
: Taskmaster
: Mr Hyde (with Calvin Zabo’s mind in control)
: Cassandra/Sloth/Golden Jocasta/Rik/Sliver/Tarkas/Korg (The Gatherers, former Avengers from alternate Earths)
: Constrictor
: Chemistro
: Thunderball (breaking away from the Wrecking Crew)

I voted for The Shocker. The team needs a Spidey villain, and I always liked him.

I’m all for MM, but you already have Ghost from Iron Man’s rogue gallery, I say go with Sandman or The Shocker in my opinion.

I wrote in for Constrictor. I’d love to see Parker follow up on what Cage did with the character in Avengers: The Initiative.

Um, that should be Gage up there.

Anyone notice you can cheat?

1. Choose character
2. Vote.
3. Return to poll
4. Repeat

I don’t get why anyone’s surprised at results on these kinds of polls, given that it’s easy enough for Marvel (or whoever, WWF used to do these kinds of polls all the time) to rig these to get to a pre-determined conclusion.

Hows this for a new Thunderbolts line-up?

Hyperion, Dr Spectrum, Speed Demon, Tiger Shark, Titania, Killer Shrike and Chameleon.

But as a serious suggestion, what about Calvin Rankin aka The Mimic. Not sure what state he was left in after taking part in Osborn’s Dark X-Men team, but he is certainly in of some direction and some character progression. I remember when he was a brief member of Excalibur, he was starting to stablise and control his powers, but when he next popped up in the pages of X-51, he was a member of the Brotherhood of Mutants.

Batroc! Ze Lepair! It is, as you say, inevitable, mes amis.

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