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Jason Aaron to Alan Moore: “Go f*ck yourself”

Battle of the beards: Jason Aaron and Alan Moore

Battle of the beards: Jason Aaron and Alan Moore

No, seriously! Those are Scalped and Ultimate Captain America writer Jason Aaron’s exact words to the legendary Watchmen and From Hell scribe (and fellow beard enthusiast) in Aaron’s latest “Where the Hell Am I” column for CBR: “Go fuck yourself, Alan Moore.” Apparently the writer took Moore’s spate of angry and dismissive comments about the comics industry — spurred most recently, in straw-that-broke-the-camel’s-back fashion, by unpleasant dealings Moore had with former collaborator Dave Gibbons over DC’s potential publication of Watchmen sequels — very personally:

But just how has Alan Moore seen fit to thank me for all the support and adoration I’ve shown him over the years?

By throwing me under the bus, that’s how.

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As a comic book writer, I am mostly definitely a child of Alan Moore, whether it shows in my work or not. He had one of the most profound influences on me of any writer in comics.

But I guess all I’ve done is let the old man down.

Apparently it’s my fault, as a modern-day comic creator, that poor Alan Moore continues to be so bedeviled by Marvel and DC. If I just didn’t suck so bad, along with all my peers, then comic book companies wouldn’t have to keep making Moore so miserable.

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“That’s too harsh,” you might say. After all, Moore’s a rather squirrelly old man who worships a snake god. He probably doesn’t even know what he’s saying, and he does have every right to be upset about possible “Watchmen” sequels. I mean, as a fan, I don’t want to see those either. And besides, he’s said many times before that he doesn’t even read comics anymore, so he really doesn’t even know what he’s talking about. It’s certainly nothing I should take personal.

But I do.

As a fan, I’d just rather not support someone who so blatantly insults me and my friends.

Some other creators have gotten in on the act as well: Ex Machina artist Tony Harris (himself no slouch in the beard department) tweeted of Moore “He’s a Douchebag” after first admitting he’d never read a single Moore comic. On the other hand, Viking writer Ivan Brandon (reasonably if not extravagantly bearded) begged to differ with Aaron’s interpretation of Moore’s remarks:

though i love my friends, still funny to me that some have taken a really vague rant & managed to find a way to be personally insulted by it[.] “alan moore said i suck!” well, first of all, no, he didn’t. second of all: alan moore likely has no opinion at all about you or your work.

Because clearly the best way to respond to Moore’s scathing critique of contemporary comics and Aaron’s equally vicious rejoinder is with a good old-fashioned “let’s you and him fight,” I’ll put it to the group. In the immortal words of the ads for Civil War: Whose side are you on?

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No one side is really right, but if forced to choose a side then Ivan Brandon.

Is he going to tell Cebulski and Brovoort to go eff themselves for repeatedly tweeting, apropos of nothing in particular, that all writers suck except Marvel writers?

Or do they get a pass since he’s a Marvel writer?

Also, just for fun, can we get Rick Nielsen of Cheap Trick and ZZ Top in on this? I’m quite emjoying the facial hair feud theme.

My first thoughts were the same as Ivan Brandon’s.

I’ll agree with Ben on this one.

The irony of a man who built nearly his entire comics-writing career on deconstructing other writers’ creations — from Superman to the Charlton heroes to Doc Savage to Swamp Thing to Captain Marvel to characters from Victorian era England, and on and on and on — having the gall to accuse other writers of not having a good original idea in 25 years is almost enough to earn him a mention in the Oxford English Dictionary’s entry for “Ironic.” Good work, Alan Moore. No doubt Doyle, Stoker, Burroughs, J. M. Barrie, and many others would think you were a hack for ripping off their ideas, as well.

I like a lot of Moore’s comics, but I don’t think I have ever come across a comic book professional who needed more desperately to get over himself.

This looks like a job for the Beard Hunter!

Ivan Brandon summarizes the issue quite perfectly and diplomatically. Weird how this is the second Marvel/Watchmen item of the day, you might ALMOST think they were trying to get turn this into a ploy for publicity.

There are many writers whose work I admire—their work. William Faulkner was a compulsive liar, but man did he write some sweet novels. Is Moore a doucher…probably…still like much of his work and think his curmudgeon comments come from the fact that what do accomplished, wealthy, by comic book standards people have to be pissed off about? Like tenured academics..they have cushy lives and so have to create battles where there are none. Love Aaron too…and I don’t mind one bit that you told Mr Moore off.

“I’d just rather not support someone who so blatantly insults me and my friends.”

So you’re quitting Marvel tomorrow, eh?

As big a jagoff as Moore has become, if my most notable accomplishment was writing “Ultimate Captain America,” I don’t think I’d be in a position to criticize anyone.

“if my most notable accomplishment was writing “Ultimate Captain America,” ”

What, you’ve never heard of Scalped?

Wow, he must have learned his professionalism from Dan Slott! Watchmen is over-rated, and it’s Aaron’s fault for trying to worship Moore for writing “mature” comics because somewhere down the line, he became too embarrassed to read superhero comics and worship the Roger Sterns, David Michelinies, and Gerry Conways instead. That’s what I did, I enjoyed much better comics, and I don’t have any regrets. I was even insulted and banned by writer/artist extraordinaire and messageboard disciplinarian, John “Pops” Byrne, after only a week on his forum, and I still didn’t throw a temper tantrum like Aaron is doing, and Byrne is one of my top favorites, too.

Marvel lets these guys get away with too much unprofessionalism. It’s bad enough that they perpetuate this “God complex” that their writers have! What exactly have you been a “creator” of that’s of any significance, Jason? Wolverine? Ghost Rider? You’re a comic book writer, dude. Maybe if you dropped the delusions of grandeur and sense of entitlement, you’d be able to get over yourself and not throw hissy fits like this over absolutely nothing. You think?

I’m not going to take sides on this one, but STK put it right in his post above:

“The irony of a man who built nearly his entire comics-writing career on deconstructing other writers’ creations — from Superman to the Charlton heroes to Doc Savage to Swamp Thing to Captain Marvel to characters from Victorian era England, and on and on and on — having the gall to accuse other writers of not having a good original idea in 25 years is almost enough to earn him a mention in the Oxford English Dictionary’s entry for “Ironic.” Good work, Alan Moore. No doubt Doyle, Stoker, Burroughs, J. M. Barrie, and many others would think you were a hack for ripping off their ideas, as well.

I like a lot of Moore’s comics, but I don’t think I have ever come across a comic book professional who needed more desperately to get over himself.”

You nailed it, man.

Dusty:

Scalped, The Other Side.

It may surprise you to know that there are comics outside the superhero sphere of influence and that it’s those very same works that make Moore’s comics more appealing to many than your Sterns, Michelinies and Conways.

Quit trying to diminish the works of either Moore or Aaron, guys.

“As big a jagoff as Moore has become, if my most notable accomplishment was writing “Ultimate Captain America,” I don’t think I’d be in a position to criticize anyone.”

Coming from someone’s whose biggest achievement is posting to the Robot 6 blog, that’s funny.

Folks, simple fact – Alan Moore is a nutter. How many times has he quit the comics industry, supposedly never to come back? And, yet…

He’s a brilliant writer, yes. He’s influenced the comic book industry in uncounted ways. But he’s an assjackal. As has been mentioned earlier, you have to separate the creator from the work, not only sometime, but quite often.

If someone says you’re crap at what you do… well, if it’s not true, why does it hurt? Only because you give that person the power to hurt you.

Think of it this way – Alan Moore is the Comic Book Legends version of an internet troll.

In twenty years, people will still be talking about Alan Moore. In twenty years, Jason Aaron will still be talking about telling Alan Moore to “go f*%$” himself. And he’ll the only one.

funkygreenjerusalem

January 6, 2011 at 4:08 pm

I’ll take Aaron’s side!

I think Moore wasn’t being completely serious, but Moore did slag off every creator working in comics – even though he doesn’t read comics – just because he was angry at Gibbons and DC, so fair play to Aaron for saying ‘Fuck you’.

I think Moore’s work is the bee’s knees, and I think the companies have treated him poorly, but in that interview, he spouted such a load of shit that he wasn’t called on – things he was clearly factually wrong on – that it really annoys me the amount of commentators sticking up for it.

As big a jagoff as Moore has become, if my most notable accomplishment was writing “Ultimate Captain America,” I don’t think I’d be in a position to criticize anyone.

That only works if we say that the two issues of Vigilante, or the Spawn: Blood Feud mini are Moore’s most notable achievements.

Because I don’t think anyone would list anything other than Scalped or The Other Side as Aaron’s most notable achievement.

The Chippewa have a word for ‘Scalped’ that loosely translates to ‘overrated’.

I have just started reading comics at the age of 36. I have been a voracious reader all of my life. (Okay, since the age of six.) I find Moore’s work dull. That is a personal opinion. I have read better writers, a lot of them. Perhaps part of the problem is that many of the comic book fans that I have met don’t spend enough time reading books without pictures. That is not true for all, but it is true for many that I have met. (If this doesn’t apply to you then please don’t take offense). Writers like Moore need to spend less time reading their own publicity. Always a deadly thing for any artistic person.

I’m with Jason on this. Alan is an eccentric, but he seems to have no appreciation for his fans/readers.

I still like the writing of both of them, but I’d rather have a beer with Jason…..

I feel really, really bad for Alan Moore every time one of these cycles comes up. The man owes nobody anything, yet everybody and their mother feels that they can curse him down and call him names because of what he chooses to do with his personal time (not read comics). If it’s not that, then they yell at him for being a spoilsport due to not wanting anything to do with derivative explorations of his work. Each time, another round of people stand up and call him bitter and old and stupid and crazy…because he wants to be treated like a human being.

Is Alan Moore a jerk? I don’t know him. Sure, why not. Probably so. But so are a great many people, both anonymous and famous. While I chuckle at the idea of comic fans tearfully tearing up their WATCHMEN comics and spitting on the ground, I often feel saddened by the spirit of contempt for the man who is, for many of these individuals, their father.

It’s funny because the photos look like before and after pictures.

Put me down for Ivan Brandon’s team as well.
People are taking this shit too damn personally. Alan Moore’s taking Dave Gibbons’ talking to him about Watchmen as a ‘betrayal’ and Jason Aaron’s taking Moore’s off-handed comment as ‘Daddy doesn’t love me enough’.

Both of them need do drink a cup of concrete and harden the fuck up.

Funnily enough, whenever this story gets back to Moore, and it inevitably will, it will just sound to him like more proof that the mainstream comic industry in America finds it impossible to move beyond the work he did there in the 1980s, and is still obsessed by him. All Jason Aaron has achieved is start the cycle turning again.

Chris Jones

Are you serious? Who even reads stuff like Scalped besides the most nerdy man child comic dweebs? It might surprise you to realize that nobody outside the smallest of niche markets cares. You seriously don’t get that? Look up the word significant! Nobody is buying and reading any of that stuff anymore. Nobody cares!! Jason Aaron has to write stuff created by Len Wein and Roy Thomas, so he’s ridiculous even trying to pretend “creator” is a relevant term where his career is concerned.

Alan Moore is an over-rated old wizard. I’d gladly take Michelinie, Stern, and Conway’s contributions over his, and especially in the case of Michelinie, so would movie goers.

Just once I’d like to see a Robot 6 thread that has more than 25 comments and absolutely no personal attacks from dilweeds.

Just calm down, people. Moore isn’t insulting Aaron with his finger from above, and Aaron’s work isn’t complete bullshit. So take the gloves off, avoid this marketing scheme and let’s focus on more important topics.
Moore, just try to preserve your work without throwing a busload of shit on new talent.
Aaron, quit with the ego trip and do youtr ****ing work.

See? We’re all friends. And geeks. And the reason you guys got a lot of dough. Keep doing a good work and we’ll forget this dumb fight ever existed.

Ok, now… to fix the world hunger…

Alan Moore’s beef and Aaron’s beef leave me completely uninterested.
MY problem with Alan Moore is this:

If Alan Moore decided to create a webcomic, it would be the most visited webcomic in the world within the first day.
He doesn’t even need a publisher. Top Shelf would go rich just by printing said webcomics in paper form, with an extra page or two for exclusivity.
This guy could amass a hundred writers and a thousand artists to help him with his stuff, just by asking. Most would even do it for free.

Yet he still insists on bashing Marvel and DC for being heartless corporations.
Hey Alan, FUCK DC, and FUCK MARVEL. Don’t speak of them again. Do YOUR THING, and pay NO attention to them. You’re just being trolled, guy!
It’s such a waste of potential that it’s disheartening.

I had no idea who Jason Aaron was until this little controversy hit the blogosphere. (And I’m willing to bet neither did/does Alan Moore.) So if his goal was to get some attention, kudos, job well done.

Moving on.

Christian Otholm

January 6, 2011 at 5:34 pm

I disagree with Aaron quite a bit, but I respect him for saying something that is pretty much the closest to a mortal sin, we have in comics.

That being said:

“But just how has Alan Moore seen fit to thank me for all the support and adoration I’ve shown him over the years?”

Alan Moore doesn’t owe us anything. Aaron’s column was a bit too “fan entitlement” for my sake. It’s like Warren Ellis said in regards to people giving his gifts at conventions; You paid money for his books: transaction over. You don’t owe him anything else. And vice versa.

And lastly, why are we giving Alan Moore’s opinion on modern comics the time of day? He has said he doesn’t read them – end of story. His opinion is render irrelevant. You can’t critize what you don’t know. He isn’t an authoritative expert.

But whether or not to buy his work? Ande Parks had it right: “I consider raping young girls worse than telling me and my pals we’re not very talented, but I still watch Polanski movies.”

This article has me convinced of one thing:

I need to grow a cool ass beard.

I loved the article.

the real joe ben

January 6, 2011 at 6:11 pm

I have a cool ass beard.

Aureliano Borges

January 6, 2011 at 6:22 pm

So what’s the point here? Is this supposed to be his Wynton Marsalis moment attacking Miles Davis? He’s trying to establish some street cred as the badass who called Alan Moore out on the internet? How does this differentiate him in any way from the legions who’ve done the same thing for years on Newsarama, the Byrne Forums, etc that his Marvel Nerd-frat contingent dismiss with such great scorn? I don’t get this. It just comes across as contrived and opportunistic. I think the world of Jason Aaron’s work, but this tirade of his strikes me as rather pathetic, regardless if one agrees or disagree with his perspective. He knows very well that Moore will almost certainly never read his remarks or regard them, it accomplishes nothing in that sense. It certainly requires no courage, there will be no political consequences as there would be if he “called out” say Mike Carlin or Bob Harras.

I’m also chuckling at the though that this wouldn’t likely ever have happened under Quesada’s watch, which was only last week. That might be reading too much into this though, but isn’t that Alonso’s gimmick? He’s the lone punk rock editor among the legions of geeks? Tell me I’m wrong.

Alan moore knows his fame, and now he’s a poser.

’nuff said..

P.S. He must cut his beard, Who the hell think he is? Tom Hanks?

funkygreenjerusalem

January 6, 2011 at 7:09 pm

Each time, another round of people stand up and call him bitter and old and stupid and crazy…because he wants to be treated like a human being.

You’re defending him along a line that no one is coming at him from.

No one is giving him shit for wanting to do his own thing – it’s making up conspiracies, and slagging off other comic writers (who he apparently hasn’t even read) that’s getting him the criticism.

Funnily enough, whenever this story gets back to Moore, and it inevitably will, it will just sound to him like more proof that the mainstream comic industry in America finds it impossible to move beyond the work he did there in the 1980s, and is still obsessed by him. All Jason Aaron has achieved is start the cycle turning again.

And then Moore will make more comments, and hopefully more people will see that although he’s a great writer, he’s got no idea what he’s talking about when it comes to modern comics.

–but he’s a FAR better writer on his worst day than Aaron could possibly dream of being on his best day.

The Other side is a much better read than… that issue of Spawn he did, his Wildcats run, Spawn Vs Wildcats, Violator, Voodoo, Violator Vs Badrock – somewhere in there is Moore’s worst day, in a decade that seemed to have a lot of bad one’s.

Shit, I’d put Other Side above most of his DC work, some ABC books and Neonomicon.
And that was Jason Aaron’s first proper comic after a Wolverine back up, five years before.

So if his goal was to get some attention, kudos, job well done.

The guys an eisner nominee, with an ongoing series at Vertigo, an exclusive contract with Marvel, was named one of the new architects of the Marvel Universe – along with Bendis, Brubaker, Fraction and Hickman – and he said it in his regular column on CBR.

I don’t think he said it to get attention.
He doesn’t need it.

He knows very well that Moore will almost certainly never read his remarks or regard them, it accomplishes nothing in that sense.

I’d say it pissed him off, and then no one else in the industry – bar Rob Liefeld – said anything about it.

Look at the amount of fans running to Moore’s defense, declaring how unimportant Aaron is, just because he said he’d had enough of Moore’s BS.
Moore is just a guy – why shouldn’t someone tell him to fuck off after he made a sweeping statement that everyone is talentless?
Why is everyone so desperate to protect someone who was talking out their arse?

Tell me I’m wrong.

You’re wrong.

“P.S. He must cut his beard, Who the hell think he is? Tom Hanks?”

Oh my God, look at the screen name! It’s the mom from “Fight For Your Right(To Party)”!

“Wow, he must have learned his professionalism from Dan Slott! ”

Yes, because any creator who is called a whore should just shut their whore mouth and take it.

If internet fanboys had one neck, sometimes I think I’d break it. They make me sick.

Hahahaha… He said beard enthusiast!

Sean T. Collins

January 6, 2011 at 8:15 pm

Guys, we could do without hyperbolic threats of violence. Also, let’s please try to avoid out and out namecalling — hack, poseur, etc. Please try to focus on what the two men actually said rather than evaluating their worth as people.

I don’t understand why people like Jason Aaron keep lowering themselves to Moore’s level. Do they not see that this is exactly the kind of rise he’s trying to get out of them? If people stopped treating Moore’s ramblings as if they had any legitimacy in the first place, I think he’d probably just shut up — problem solved.

@DrunkJack

No, they should prove Moore wrong instead of throwing a hissy fit. Moore is 100% right, and I am not a fan of the over-rated old coot at all. Killing Joke is the only thing I’ve ever read from him that rates for me. Watchmen is very average, Swamp Thing was so boring I dropped it after 4 issues after hearing raves about it, and V fo Vendetta is nothing special. Still, there is no denying that Watchmen affected and impacted the entire industry, and still does. Alan Moore doesn’t have to read a single comic to know there is nothing being produced by self proclaimed top tier talents like the Watchmen. If there was, word would reach him, just like word continues to reach people about the Watchmen.

Jason who?

Alan Moore was just complaining how DC has so little faith in their own creators. He finds that insulting. He finds it insulting for the creators that have come after him and are working there today. He finds it insulting that the corporations who mainly control the industry has nothing. He finds it insulting that no one cares about the books he has done since that time. He wants to move one, and he is insulted that the industry has not.

You’d think a guy who writes about tough guys would have thicker skin. Alan Moore wins this round for simply being a nice man who cares about the artists.

Haha, Dusty was banned from Byrne Robotics. Not really suprising since hes been banned from every comics forum on the net. Just figured his idol wouldn’t ban him.

Anyways, good for someone to stand up to Alan. As much as I like his writing, hes not god of comics. And the Other Side, Scalped and Wolverine are all great comics, much better than a lot of Moore’s crap he put out.

By the way, when did Tom Brevoort & CB Cebulski insult non Marvel writers? I don’t believe that for 1 second.

Alan Moore is over rated!

“Aureliano Borges
January 6, 2011 at 6:22 pm

So what’s the point here? Is this supposed to be his Wynton Marsalis moment attacking Miles Davis?”

Nicely done.

funkygreenjerusalem

January 7, 2011 at 12:01 am

Jason who?

One of the best writers working at the moment.

Not knowing who he is, even if done for snark, makes one seem as ignorant about modern comics as Moore.

He wants to move one, and he is insulted that the industry has not.

The entire industry has moved on!

The only difference is that people don’t do major works like that with new characters for companies that own it all – people learned from Alan’s woes – and thus the companies don’t push the books as hard.

Top Shelf, D&Q, Fantagraphics and other such publishers have, and continue to put out, comics of equal, if not greater, merit than Watchmen – it’s just that they don’t have the geeks onside having it pushed at them hard by a publisher.
I mean, if we were talking in terms of artistic merit, Watchmen would be overshadowed by Moore’s own From Hell – but From Hell doesn’t have the same geek appeal, and so there’s not as much money in it for the publisher.
Watchmen, although a brilliantly structured and layered work, is only as exciting as it is, because it’s done with superheroes.

Who hasn’t moved on is Marvel and DC – but these companies are only acting as they always have towards properties they own – they want to exploit his older works for more money.
It’s how they’ve always done it.
No one’s created much for them like Watchmen since, because it’s not really worth the creators personal while – even if you got well paid and good royalties, the company would still be making a tonne more – and unless you just want to retread the same ground as Watchmen, you’ve got to take it further, and then it’s something the companies don’t know how to sell.

By the way, when did Tom Brevoort & CB Cebulski insult non Marvel writers? I don’t believe that for 1 second.

I don’t believe that Tom B hasn’t done that for one nano second.
The guy will say anything to try slag off DC.

Alan Moore is over rated!

Nah, his body of work is quite solid.

Quit making sense, you douchebag.

>Not knowing who he is, even if done for snark, makes one seem as ignorant about modern comics as Moore.

And proudly so.

I haven’t read any of the comics that came out in the past ten years.

I still think they suck, the people that write them are hacks, and their ideas are worthless.

Even though I have no proof of that, because I have not read them.

(If anyone other than Alan Moore said this, they would be considered a troll. Don’t tell me otherwise.)

I think this is all delightful! Granted, I’m a ghoul who takes pleasure in misery and people acting the fool. But this is wonderful stuff. This is going to last for days, you guys. It’s going to be awful (i.e. *wonderful*). Vertigo wouldn’t really exist but for Alan Moore, and Jason Aaron wouldn’t have the career he has today but for Vertigo– and he’s the GUY who puts out this wonderful Exhibit A of “The Modern Mainstream Comic Creator: Ungrateful to Those Who Went Before Them, Oblivious to their Suffering, and Taking the Side of Big Companies Over Other Creators” — ???? Awesome! I was hoping it’d be one of the Architects of the Marvel Universe, though I was betting on one of the other ones. But still– fun! I thrive on this kind of thing. I just fester in it.

I want to hear more about what Tony Harris has to say. First, he’s asking for $20K to make samurai comics; next he’s tweeting how he never read Maus or Alan Moore, but he did read Starslammers (?); what’s next? I don’t know, but I’m in. I want a ticket for that Greyhound bus ride.

Or how great is it that Alan Moore throwing him some Truth Bombs, even vague joke-y apparently-insulting-somehow ones, is going to end up being so much more entertaining than what we’d be hearing about if he weren’t around. If Alan Moore weren’t around, Jason Aaron would be writing about a multi-title crossover that Marvel plans to tease 3/4ths of the way through its next two multi-title crossovers. Jason Aaron would be boring all the time, just like everyone else in mainstream comics is boring all the time. Instead, Jason Aaron’s got out of the flamethrower, internet people are all excited and awake and got the blood flowing– this is wonderful.

I have to say though, as an internet troll 4 life, Jason Aaron’s internet trolling skills are WEAK. Some f-bombs in a text document, insulting the guy’s religious beliefs, and then he calls it a day…? That’s weak; that’s weak sauce. First off, where are the dick jokes? Second: not enough mockery. And then: where are the youtube videos? Where are the animated gifs? Not a single Vandermeme?? Hello, this might have been impressive internet trolling back when we were all using Mosaic, but they invented Technology since then. It’s the first (and likely only) time I’ve ever felt like a better writer than Jason Aaron! How excited am I!

But put me down for Team Ivan Brandon– I want a jersey. I am on that team for 2011, however sexy or erotic things might get. Glitter falling from the ceiling– loud throbbing house music– secret whispers. Let’s do this thing, team.

Abhay, I want you to be my new friend, please.

“Haha, Dusty was banned from Byrne Robotics. Not really suprising since hes been banned from every comics forum on the net. Just figured his idol wouldn’t ban him.”

@mb

Byrne is hardly my idol. Walt Simonson and Stan Lee are from the comic world. And I’ve only been banned from 3 messageboards, and it’s not a coincidence that they have reputations for banning people for nothing but power trips on their part. That’s why so many bans happen at those boards compared to the rest.

Byrne banned me because I went at him about his stubborness not to work at Marvel because of JQ’s shady dealings. If people listened to you, you’d think I’d ass kiss him 24/7. Is that what you do to your favorites, whether they are right or wrong?

Sean T. Collins

January 7, 2011 at 4:21 am

That’s my favorite thing you’ve ever written, Abhay.

Seriously. Where ARE the dick jokes?

You wanna know why Alan Moore is bitter about mainstream comics? They fucked him over. If you weren’t around in the 80′s, you might have missed that one. They fucked him over like they fucked over Jack Kirby a generation before, and like they fuck over anybody else that gives everything they have to that insatiable beast. They took his amazing books and allowed them to be made into shitty half-assed movies. Moore could have just rolled with it and collected phat checks for the last twenty years, but he’s got principles, style, honor, shit like that. His stories actually meant something to him over and above the paycheck. After years and years of this crap he gave up on mainstream comics. He’s written some bizarre, beautiful, interesting stuff since then. And some crap. Nobody’s perfect, except maybe David Mazzuchelli.

But, who the hell is Jason Aaron? What a dicksore! Get off Moore’s jock and write something worthwhile. Stop wasting your life getting fucked over by Marvel & DC.

Abhay said: “The Modern Mainstream Comic Creator: Ungrateful to Those Who Went Before Them, Oblivious to their Suffering, and Taking the Side of Big Companies Over Other Creators”

Ding! Ding! Ding! Who doesn’t love, Abhay? That person’s heart is hard and no love grows therein.
There’s been a real sense in 2010 of concerted Moore-baiting that I’ve found quite ugly and now 2011 starts off with more. Just peachy.

Alan Moore made those remarks a couple of months ago and had the personal wound been so deep as we are led to believe the time to address them would have been back then. To disinter these comments once again, at this late date, smacks of cheap publicity seeking. It has the air of some kind of Fraternity Initiation: “Well we think you’re ready to sit at The Event Architects’ Table but first you have to go round Crazy Old Man Moore’s House and break his windows. One of us! One of us!”

Alan Moore is a talented man. He has been badly treated by the industry. He is understandably angry about this. Sometimes he talks about it. That’s all. I don’t think he was insulting anyone in particular he was insulting the Corporate Culture that refuses to allow creators the opportunity to create work of originality and impact equal to their talents.

Oh, I don’t know. Alan Moore’s a talented man though of that much I’m sure and I respect his integrity. I’m getting tired of him being used as some kind of hairy piñata every time he reminds people of uncomfortable truths.

The biggest problem is that Alan Moore has been elevated into some deified status. Sure, he’s written some great comics but his opinion of comics is just that: an opinion. I appreciate Jason Aaron’s response in direct opposition of all the “He wrote Watchmen! He’s All-Knowing” fanboys that bow at the alter for the writer but really Moore’s opinion is really no more important than a Stan Lee’s or even a Chuck Austen’s.

The whole thing seems like celebrity worship, anyway. If you substitute their names for Tom Cruise and Robert Pattinson I think we’d see this story on entertainment tonight or one of those celebrity magazines.

Both are awesome writers, and I’ll always read their awesome work! I like their comics, not their personalities.

Okay, first let’s throw this out here: I don’t even read Jason Aaron’s work, but if you’re popping in here to say some shit like, “Who the fuck is Jason Aaron?”, that’s not speaking towards anything but your own lack of intelligence about the comic industry. You could try and play that off as a good thing, but you’re posting on a website about comic book news. So it means you either can’t read or aren’t reading, so no matter what it means you’re not that bright. The guy’s worked on enough high-profile work outside of superheroes, and a few superhero books, for me–someone who’s NEVER read his work (and may never) to know about him without putting any real effort into it.

If you dislike his comments, try not being a tool about it and just SAYING you disagree instead of trying to insult his cred. ‘Cause that’s only hurting you.

Second: Dusty’s a troll, it only took two threads to pick up on that.

Third: Flex Mentallo > Watchmen. Along that line, Grant Morrison is, in my opinion, more talented than Alan Moore. But while Morrison has stuck around, releasing excellent work both inside and outside of the Big Two, taking chances that admittedly don’t always pay off (Final Crisis), Alan Moore, by a stroke of luck (I say luck rather than talent not because Watchmen is a BAD comic, but because there were so many other excellent ones released then that didn’t get the proper attention they deserved, and THAT can be attributed to luck) hit the big time with Watchmen. …And then had the misfortune of DC screwing him over. So he told them to fuck off. And eventually ended up telling most companies to fuck off.

And THAT’S why people aren’t calling him out as a gigantic tool. Because he’s comics’ “bad boy”. He don’t take no shit from the Man. He’s the underdog fighting against the champ, Apollo Cre…wait, that’s a different movie. But seriously. No other writer will ever be able to tell Moore to fuck off unless they have a comparable body of work (which is difficult–Moore’s a tool, but apparently tools can be BRILLIANT writers), and the same history of telling companies to piss off and work for smaller publishers in order to continue their work without getting a LOT of shit from fans. Because society has a ridiculous viewpoint that if you’re getting paid by a major company for your work, you’re a sell-out, regardless of your talent. Also because comic book fans are self-hating and will ALWAYS stand by someone who says comics are terrible, because they believe every comic on the stand aside from the 1-5 they buy every month are tripe.

Forgot to say. Yeah, Ivan Brandon was right. He WASN’T specifically talking to anyone in comics, but the thing is…it’s like in hip-hop when an artist says everyone in hip-hop is terrible. Another artist goes, “Waitaminute…aren’t *I* a hip-hop artist? So isn’t he talking about me too?” and then some ridiculous “diss” record is released.

But Jason Aaron had every right to be angry, because, YES, he DOES work in comics, so technically he was talking about him, and he has been for ages now.

We are all kidding ourselves if we think Alan Moore has read any mainstream comics in the past, oh say 20 years. (Other than the ones he wrote. Maybe.) So, maybe don’t get all worked up about what he has to say about them?

Sean T. Collins

January 7, 2011 at 7:54 am

Folks, again, no namecalling. I’ve kept the reins on this thread pretty loose because given the vituperative nature of the comments that spawned it, that seems only fair, but if it drifts much further in the direction of schoolyard taunts, we’ll start deleting comments.

I’ll go with Mr. Moore.

I think Mr. Aaron is being overly sensitive to the fact that his hero called out the entire industry to make something on their own instead of making something for other people.

Both Moore and Warren Ellis have routinely talked about how Jack Kirby was amazed that Marvel and DC would not call him and ask him to work on characters he created, but would have other creators work on them, which in turn had him wonder why these creators weren’t making New Things.

While I’m not going to pick up a copy of COWBOY-NINJA-VIKING-SHARK-BEAR-ROBOT-KILLER-SAMURAI or whatever, I am glad that someone had the stones to make a book like it instead of grinding out another Captain America, Spider-Man, Hulk, etc. story.

And yes, I do acknowledge the fact that Mr. Moore has worked on other people’s characters, he has made his share of New Things.

I’m with SageShini. I don’t really understand how people can not think that this was an insult. Moore has been saying that comics suck for a while now. Saying it once, okay, maybe he was joshing. Saying it twice, kinda insulting, but we’ll let it slide. But by saying it over and over again, as if it’s some mantra, how can it not be anything but an insult? No, he didn’t name Jason Aaron personally, but Jason Aaron WRITES comics, and if Alan Moore says all comics suck and someone writes a comic, Alan Moore is saying that comic sucks. If Alan Moore says there are no good, competent, or even any good enough to be considered bad comic book writers and you write comics, then he’s saying you’re not good enough to be considered bad. He’s saying O’Malley sucks and that Scott Pilgrem sucks. He’s saying Batwoman and Greg Rucka and JH Williams sucks. He’s saying Brubaker and Phillips and Incognito sucks. Yes, he’s saying Jason Aaron sucks too. How is this passed off as “Oh, he didn’t mean it. It’s not a personal attack.”?

I don’t know Alan Moore personally. I don’t know what he’s really thinking. There were no bits in the article that said, “he said with a sarcastic grin” or “‘I’m just kidding guys, there are some lovely writers out there who are doing some good work.’” I can’t read Alan Moore’s mind, and all I’m given in the article is that Alan Moore said all comics suck. So, if that’s NOT what Alan Moore really meant, he needs to be more careful of how he says things. The only way it COULDN’T be an insult to everyone working in comics is if he didn’t mean what he said, and in that case he should clear things up. Until that happens, I’m just gonna take him for his word, and assume he’s an old codger with a bug up his ass and nothing else to do beside pissing in everyone’s milk.

Poor Alan Moore…screwed like Kirby?! What? Everyone knew then what happened to Kirby et al…what Alan needed to do was read the contract he was about to sign. Really simple that. Better yet, hire a lawyer. I feel for Kirby being screwed…but Moore? Nope..different era with a lot of history telling creators that the big 2 will screw you given a chance. My issue with Moore is this: he complains about the lack of creativity in comics today, but as others have noted built his entire career on the work of others. Nothing wrong with that, that is how great storytelling works, but acknowledge it man.

Miracle Man= analogue of an analogue (capt Marvel, to Miracle Man to Moore’s incarnation)
Watchmen= Charlton Characters
Swamp Thing= Wrightson, Wein

and on and on it goes. By the way…the above photo of Moore is not a flattering one…go outside dude..get some sunshine.

It makes me really sad that so many people who spend their spare time reading stories about heroism feel the simple signing of a contract absolves all parties involved of any moral or ethical obligations to one another.

“if my most notable accomplishment was writing “Ultimate Captain America,” ”
So what IS your most notable accomplishment? I mean surely if you’re going to criticize someone you feel hasn’t earned the right to criticize Moore, you must have done something better than write Ultimate Captain America and Scalped? And some great Wolverine arcs? What amazing comics have you graced the world with?

Even if Moore was burned often (and I’m sure he was) it doesn’t give him the right to insult the state of comics now. The two things are totally unrelated.

Alan Moore clearly understands the sheer power in words yet he’s made an insulting generalization, something generally relegated to the ignorant or political extremists. But he’s an amazing writer, and I say that because his work and his comments are totally unrelated. See the parallel there?

I’m on Jason Aaron’s side, because we both still love comic books.

Why do people think he hasn’t created anything new? What about America’s Best Comics?

Tell me more of this snake god Moore worships.. Does it demand comic book sacrifices or will it accept burning a few egotistical writers?

I’m on Bendis’ side.

It makes me really sad that so many people who spend their spare time reading stories about heroism feel the simple signing of a contract absolves all parties involved of any moral or ethical obligations to one another.

I wouldn’t say that, but I would say that by the time Moore got into comics, a few years after Kirby and others had quit over being fucked out of their rights, Moore should probably have known what he was getting into, and certainly by 1985 when Kirby’s fight with Marvel blew up he should have known enough to see that if he really thought of these stories as his and wanted to retain the rights then he shouldn’t hand them over to a company like DC.

I agree with Marc C. Kirby was screwed, Moore was naive. He’s filled with hate against comics and that’s ungrateful, to say the least. His fame as best comics writer is undeserved. Grant Morrison is much better and more creative. Unlike Alan, Grant loves comics and that’s translated into his excelent and vivid writing. Time will make justice to Grant.

The whole America’s Best Comics line was far more imaginative, clever, personal, and fun than whatever Morrison has written.

I’ll take up with Aaron on this one. He is writing comics of great value (if you aren’t reading scalped, you should be) and Moore’s antagonism of the industry as a whole benefits no one.

@ chuck: You’re robert kirkman in disguise, aren’t you.

im not entirely certain how much more i can add to this that’s different, but here it is:

contracts: you damn well better read them, or bring em to someone who can. when you put your signature on there, you said “ok. cool”

somehow “artists” are given a pass on understanding basic legalities, and how to recognize when agreements are skewed the wrong way. well, fuck that. he should have negotiated better, and at the risk of a whole new torrent of BS, so should kirby have, and so should siegel and shuster. i’ve got no leg to stand on if i agree to a 45% loan and can’t pay it. i can’t go to the courts and say, but “i just wanted the dough, i didn’t know it would COST ME”. i’d get laughed out of the courtroom and still be paying 45%.

yes, moore did in fact insult aaron personally. in a sweeping generalization, he directly stated that the current comics industry, (and it should be noted that he didn’t EXCLUDE dynamite, idw, image, boom, fantagraphics, archaia….) had no talent. re-read that whole goddamned paragraph in the interview. no top flight, no mid flight, no bottom flight. that equals no talent, period. bendis and hundreds of others should be bristling right now. if your boss came into your job, gathered you all around, and said he was ashamed to work with you because each and everyone of you had no skill, you’d be shitting bricks with anger. so i call shenanigans on you all saying aaron shouldn’t be mad.

and what the hell, why is writing a character you didn’t do so horrible? some people never publish their own stuff. so what? really, SO WHAT? lee retires and no more spider-man. kirby retires and no more cap. according to YOU guys, even superman should have stopped publication in less than 5 years because his creators weren’t on it anymore. no wonderwoman when moulton moved on. none. none of the recognizable characters, according to the kirkman view rehashed in these comments many times, should still be being published. what is being said there is no one should work on anything they didn’t make up themselves. well, pally, that’s where that attitude would get us. how fast would creators run our of stories and characters? reallllly damn quickly.

1986 was the year i started reading comics. Pretty damn good year to start huh? so moore and his properties have been with me a looooong time. unfortunately, so has his attitude. we knew in 1989 he was a weirdo. and it’s just gotten worse. there’s “principled” and then there’s this guy.

at best, his comment about the industry having no talent is disingenuous. he couldn’t know unless he was reading. he doesn’t DO cons, so he can’t have met many of the current crop. but he says he doesn’t read and hasn’t in a very long time. so seriously, how the frig would he know? his statement about the lack of talent CANNOT be accurate if he isn’t reading. is he really saying that even garth freakin ennis and warren goddamned ellis are hacks? really? neither of them do extended work on characters that aren’t theirs. a couple here and there, sure, but always while theyre doing their own stuff. preacher was ennis’ hitman wasn’t. rifle brigade was his, punisher wasn’t. crossed is war stories and battlefields is. planetary, transmet, ignition city, etc etc etc. remember he did NOT exclude publishers other than the top 2.

“Now, I don’t think that the contemporary industry actually has a ‘top-flight’ of talent. I don’t think it’s even got a middle-flight or a bottom-flight of talent.”

that’s pretty goddamned clear he meant everyone. if he didn’t mean everyone, he should have couched it in different terms.

and this bullshit of “you can’t criticize it cause you can’t do better” is just stupid. if we can’t recognize poor work, then how the hell do we recognize good? the apologetics for moore would do well to remember that the next time they come out of a theatre disappointed.(by any movie, at all) don’t be disappointed, you couldn’t do better. there, see? all settled. there’s no longer any such thing as a bad movie.

did dc do some really weird shit to try to get moore on board? oh god yeah. that’s some high school shit right there. “ask alan if he wants to go to prom with me” is definitely some indication that the company’s people are kinda, well, timid at best. but that’s irrelevant. but the never having gone out of print thing? there was no timeframe in the contract, obviously. neither of them clearly counted on watchmen staying strong so long. but that was the agreement. sorry dude, but neither of you knew what you had, and you just have to ride out your agreement.

“It makes me really sad that so many people who spend their spare time reading stories about heroism feel the simple signing of a contract absolves all parties involved of any moral or ethical obligations to one another.”

Really Sean? Because Alan Moore, who spent much time writing heroic fiction, has done his fair share of ignoring all professional and ethical obligations to his co-creators Rick Veitch and Stephen Bissette concerning their 1963 work at Image.

Moore let Rick and Stephen work for over a year trying to set up a plan to reprint 1963, and they had one. But when the time came to have Alan sign off on it, he threw another of his famous childish hissy fits and refused, scuttling the project and thus wasting years of work.

It also must be said that all this communication had to be done through Rick Veitch or another party, as Moore, in another childish display, won’t speak or address Stephen Bissette in any form. Moore had a problem with something Bissette said years ago, yet never told him what it was or even talked to him after. So, for petty, childish reasoning (on a even lower level of morality than DC’s corporate greed) Moore screws and hurts Bissette and other creative partners financially and personally.

Moore’s words in this interview don’t stand up to any scrutiny, and come drenched in hypocrisy and ignorance. Aaron’s response is silly and more the words of a man hurt by the words of a person’s work greatly respected, than any real insight. But Aaron’s words at least have honesty behind them.

Alan Moore stop acting like a bitter old man.
Jason Aaron stop acting like a bitchy, overemotional fanboy.

Sean T. Collins

January 8, 2011 at 7:55 am

We are a nation full of sociopaths.

I was having fun reading these comments until people started saying it was Moore’s own fault for getting screwed on his contracts.

Comics’ professional creators are very badly paid, have little to no security (or health insurance) and apparently, have little sympathy from fans when they come up on the wrong side of a Disney or Time Warner contract. Remember, for every Alan Moore, who created perhaps the best selling comic of all time, there are hundreds of others we haven’t even heard of.

Just sad.

Sir Manley Johnson

January 8, 2011 at 9:47 am

Never trust a man with a beard. As for the poetic phrase, “Go fuck yourself, Alan Moore.” that is truly thought provoking and multi-layered. Never have I come across a more insightful and original way of telling someone how much you respect them. Next to Shakespeare, Aaron is the supreme master of the English language. It brings to mind the following passage from MacBeth.

“Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.”

Old man is bitter and out of touch. Its not a headline.

That said, good for you Jason. I applaud you.

87 Posts and Stephen R. Stahl hasn’t shown up to twist this whole thing into an attack on Brian Bendis? I have lost all faith in the world.

Well, I think that Jason (who?) is Salieri and Alan Moore is Mozart, but anyway, Jason, you’ve got your 5 minutes of glory.

Sean I’m very confused, you seem to be appalled by name-calling and nastiness yet every third story seems to be about Marvel telling someone to go fuck themselves, what’s your take on that?

That’s not a swipe, by the way, I’m a fan and a friend and all but I don’t see why childish bickering and name-calling is OK for comics creators and not for fans. The discrepancy is telling when it pops up in a comment thread in a story all about unprofessional behavior.

Sean T. Collins

January 8, 2011 at 3:00 pm

It’s not the namecalling that I find APPALLING about the thread, though I do think ad hominem is inappropriate for Robot 6 comment threads. (At any rate, just because you report on something, or even say “I approve of” the thing you’re reporting on, doesn’t mean you think that behavior is okay all the time in every forum.) What I find appalling is the degree to which people root against people who actually create for a living in matters of contractual dispute. The inability to empathize is a major problem with society in general, not just comics fandom.

Sean,

While I sympathise with your underlying sentiment, I wonder if you aren’t being a wee bit naive in your own role to play in all of this. I am NOT attacking you personally, and I think it’s all well and good to be dismayed by how awful these things get in the first place, but aren’t you in no small way complicit in providing a forum and a mechanism (the robot6 comments) which effectively encourages both anonymity and its incredibly poor behavior as part of its money-making efforts?

I realize you aren’t (to my knowledge) proprietor of robot6, but you are the person who is employed by the site, the person who post articles on it, who encourages commentators. Again, not an attack, nor am I suggesting that you shouldn’t do any of these things, but the hand-wringing about the Nature of Fandom and the Internet on your end gives me a certain amount of pause when you’re a person who is, however passive your engagement, encouraging people to post anonymously both by virtue of the structure of the website for which you work and the obvious cause & effect of the original article.

I don’t know how stories about Moore should be reported, but I also feel like this one can only be called newsworthy if you subscribe to the idea that every outlandish action by any remotely established creator is newsworthy. Otherwise it’s just someone creating gossip about themselves. And you’re obviously bright enough to know the kind of reaction this story inevitably generates (particularly when Moore is the subject,) so I guess my question is, why hit yourself in the head with a hammer multiple times if you’re going to complain about feeling pain afterwards?

In all honesty, Anonymous (and I certainly wish you weren’t–at this point, if it were up to me, there would be no anonymous comments), I am going to think twice about writing about “Moore vs. the comics industry/the comics industry vs. Moore” from now on, because it seems to shed more heat than light on any of the underlying issues. I did so in this case because I do think the sensitivity of today’s big-name creators to criticism, be it indirect criticism from a pioneering industry figure who likely has never heard of the person taking exception to it or anonymous shit-talking from messageboard trolls, is a story worth noting.

One more thing to add: Did I think posting this would generate attention and debate and hits and comments and all that? Yes, absolutely. But I still find myself surprised by how comfortable so many people are with suggesting titanic figures like Moore, Kirby, Siegel, and Shuster deserved not a penny more and no better treatment than they got. You’re right, I was naive.

“Titanic figures like Moore, Kirby, Siegel and Shuster”. Can you imagine Aaron’s name in that sentence? Yeah, me neither.

And the fact than anyone think that is dismissing Moore’s work by saying: “Watchmen=Charlton characters” is really funny. What about, “Midsummer night’s dream=Some celtic legends”?

Alan Moore's Fleabitten Beard

January 9, 2011 at 1:16 pm

Sean T. Collins wrote:
“It makes me really sad that so many people who spend their spare time reading stories about heroism feel the simple signing of a contract absolves all parties involved of any moral or ethical obligations to one another.”

I don’t think anyone would argue that the simple signing of a contract absolves all parties involved of any moral or ethical obligations to one another. However, it DOES absolve them of LEGAL obligations. The unfortunate truth is that morals are often entirely ignored when it comes to contracts. From a moral and ethical standpoint, DC and Marvel SHOULD stop treating all of its writers and artists like complete and utter crap. However, it’s not LEGALLY obligated to do so. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t do so just because it’s the right thing to do. But again, the right thing to do is rarely what businesses are most concerned with.

Alan Moore's Fleabitten Beard

January 9, 2011 at 1:17 pm

TB wrote:
“Even if Moore was burned often (and I’m sure he was) it doesn’t give him the right to insult the state of comics now.”

Sure, he has the right–it’s called freedom of speech. Should he act like a jackass? No. But does he have a right to? Absolutely.

funkygreenjerusalem

January 9, 2011 at 4:03 pm

Vertigo wouldn’t really exist but for Alan Moore, and Jason Aaron wouldn’t have the career he has today but for Vertigo– and he’s the GUY who puts out this wonderful Exhibit A of “The Modern Mainstream Comic Creator: Ungrateful to Those Who Went Before Them, Oblivious to their Suffering, and Taking the Side of Big Companies Over Other Creators” — ???? Awesome!

But he’s not – he’s pissed off with Moore’s comments.

Moore may have very well only been saying it to slag off Marvel and DC as companies, but that’s not how he phrased it.
Moore wrongly said that there is no top flight talent in comics today – he meant ‘if DC had top flight talent, then they should be able to create a new Watchmen, but as they haven’t, one must assume they don’t have top flight talent’, which is a logical fallacy – but he said there’s no top flight talent in the comics industry.

Aaron, as a top talent in the comics industry, didn’t like that being said, and so said ‘Fuck off’ to Moore.
Moore might have been speaking of one seriously wounded by the companies, but he was on slag off the companies mode, and slagged off creators as well – I think a creator taking exception to his comments there is fair play.
If someone from your profession, very publicly, said in an interview read by your potential clients/consumers, that there’s nobody really good working in the industry now, wouldn’t you want to tell them to fuck off?

Moore is a giant in comics history, and he was wronged by those he made a lot of money for – but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be called out when he’s being a git.

Yeah, but Moore found that logic to be rather insulting himself. He wished the company had as much faith in their creators talent to create something new as he himself does. Granted he doesn’t understand what’s happening nowadays, and he’s admitted that, but he also has enough faith in his fellow creators to show him up. How people don’t understand this is confusing me.

Aaron should not be commended. He was trying to take a high road, but instead he just came off like douchebag. It would have served him better to outgline why Moore is wrong than whine.

funkygreenjerusalem

January 9, 2011 at 9:01 pm

Granted he doesn’t understand what’s happening nowadays, and he’s admitted that, but he also has enough faith in his fellow creators to show him up. How people don’t understand this is confusing me.

Creatively, they have.

Moore doesn’t know it, but he still said they haven’t.
And he has one of the loudest voices in American comics – look at the amount of people in this thread who seem proud of not knowing who Jason Aaron is, yet are championing Moore’s side.

Moore is playing the underdog, which is who he was for a long stretch of his career – but he isn’t anymore.
He’s pretty much God to a lot of comic writers – so why shouldn’t they be upset when he declares that none of them are doing anything worthwhile?

Jason Who? Seriously. No idea who this nobody is, let alone his awful comics he namechecks.

@funkygreenjerusalem:

Did you read my whole quote, or just the part you wanted to? Moore hasn’t derided anyone or claimed anyone isn’t doing anything worthwhile. He’s just confused why their company hasn’t.

And besides, its foolish to put anyone that high on a pedestal.

funkygreenjerusalem

January 10, 2011 at 5:10 pm

Did you read my whole quote, or just the part you wanted to? Moore hasn’t derided anyone or claimed anyone isn’t doing anything worthwhile. He’s just confused why their company hasn’t.

I’ve red the entire interview a couple of times.

Whilst trying to bad mouth DC – including a totally bizarre story about how they are using WB books to get leverage over some one else, through their sick brother – he slags off all the other creators.
He may be wanting to say ‘there’s no top flight talent’ to attack DC, but he is actually saying there’s no top flight talent.

And thus, I think Aaron is justified in sending a big ‘fuck you’ back to him.

Jason Who? Seriously. No idea who this nobody is, let alone his awful comics he namechecks.

You fool.

First, if you don’t know who he is, you aren’t really in a position to talk about good comics – it completely undercuts the worth of anything you have to say.

Second, how can you know they are awful if you’ve not heard of his books, let alone read them?

Moore has the excuse of not following comics at all.
You’re here on a comic blog, and haven’t heard of one of the most critically acclaimed writers working at the moment?

funkygreenjerusalem, just calm your ass down. You do yourself no favors by playing the Jason Aaron card and calling others bad names.

It’s simply a fact that Alan Moore is a bigger name than Jason Aaron. Deal with it.

funkygreenjerusalem

January 11, 2011 at 5:32 pm

funkygreenjerusalem, just calm your ass down. You do yourself no favors by playing the Jason Aaron card and calling others bad names.

I whole heartedly apologize for calling someone a fool.

I can’t believe I stooped to the level of bad names, when I called someone a fool.

I’m surprised the entire internet didn’t come to a grinding halt, when I called someone a fool.

Seriously, you’re going to call me out for name calling with fool?

It’s simply a fact that Alan Moore is a bigger name than Jason Aaron. Deal with it.

I’ve dealt with it – it’s not a part of my argument in the slightest.

Just saying, that if you don’t know who Aaron is, you probably shouldn’t be commenting on this either way – The Other Side and Scalped are two of the best books of the last decade.
And if you do know who he is, you can disagree with him all you want, but trying to discredit his earned acheivements by calling him a nobody is just ridiculous – it’s beyond a strawman, it’s pissing in the wind.

I dont take side… I read Watchman(over rated),v for vendetta(boring),from hell(boring) , killing joke(really good) and this best creation is John Constantine. Scalped is so better than good(one of the best like Preacher,100 bullets…),other side(really good),Ghost rider(good),Wolverine(good),PunisherMax(good),black panther(good) only the first two of Jason Aaron are this creation(Scalped and other side).But without Alan Moore ?no Hellblazer and probably no Scalped…I understand each of them But Jason Aaron is more a fun ride to read(this is my point of view)

The best way to get attention -and as any attention is good attention- is to over the top with your comments.
Well done, Jason!!

Why do people keep on saying that Alan Moore doesn’t read comics. He still does. Or, at the least, he gives pretty good introductions and praise to books he hasn’t read.

Also, before this, I hadn’t heard of Jason Aaron. That doesn’t make me comics ignorant. I read about 6 comics a week ranging from Marvel and DC to Fantagraphics and Drawn and Quarterly. The fact is Jason Aaron just isn’t as good as people make him out to be because I would have heard of him for his books and not for a crazy post to Alan Moore(who will never know of it).

Wow, Ali.

So, of you’ve never heard of anyone, that means they’re no good? Really?

Brilliant.

Do you not realize that EVERY FUCKING GREAT WRITER at some point in their career is an unknown? There was a time when I never heard of Ed Brubaker, but then I read Sleeper and saw for myself what an amazing writer he is. Hey, come to think of it, there was a time I’ve never heard of Alan Moore. But if I use your idiotic logic, then I should’ve just assumed he was a crappy writer. However, I didn’t do that because I’m not an idiot. I read his Swamp Thing run and it was brilliant.

Read Jason Aaron, you ignoramous. His work on Scalped and Punisher is fantastic. Just because you haven’t heard of someone doesn’t mean they’re not good.

I swear, man….some people….

Mark Andrew Smith

January 15, 2012 at 3:27 am

I think that people should leave Moore alone. I think it’s more of a generation gap and the comics he talks about liking are ones that he grew up on that are really classic and special to him. I doubt that Moore reads comics now but he’s so caught up in his battles of old with DC and Marvel. I think there was the error on his part to dismiss books that he hasn’t read like people often judge movies they’ve never seen.

I think that Moore is into different things and isn’t a fanboy, most likely he has never read Aaron’s work to have formed an opinion of it. This man has done a lot for comics and we should respect that and give him his space.

In the videos that I’ve seen of him recently he is very supportive and encouraging to new writers and also listening to the younger generation inspired by him. I think he comes off in a very good light as a human being.

With ‘Scalped’ Jason Aaron is living in the house that Aalan Moore an Neal Gaiman built.

This sort of thing always amazes me… tribalism at it’s finest. Both men have excellent points that they’ve expressed in piss-poor fashion. Period.

I think the difference is that Moore is an elder statesman and Aaron is a relative neophyte who exists in a climate created (at least in part) by the very person he’s insulting. Moore has also proven he has an admirable degree of integrity in refusing multimillion dollar payouts for the films and other media content based on his work.

I haven’t read “Scalped”, and I’m sure it’s lovely (I’ve been told that it is), but Aaron is locked into the company culture that Moore equates with using a friend as a shifty go-between or exploiting another’s terminally ill brother all to pimp his signature out. Add to that DC’s refusal to let the rights revert to him in order to capitalize on “Watchmen” and we can see why Alan might be a tad cross with the industry as a whole. Should he have said there’s no “top-tier” talent? No. Could Jason Aaron have been a bit more sensitive to Moore’s position, given the man’s history in the industry? Yes.

The “go fuck yourself” soapbox will seem far lonelier for Mr. Aaron 20 or so years from now when he either can’t find work or has to live like Howard Hughes because he cant trust his own friends. Stop asking Alan Moore about mainstream comics & stop asking mainstream creators about Alan Moore. Things will be much more pleasant. But as Sean so deftly noted, we are a nation full of sociopaths.

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