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Is Green Lantern the psychedelic superhero movie we’ve been waiting for?

“I think audiences are ready [for more challenging superhero films]. Unfortunately, I don’t think there’s anyone in Hollywood who could drum up the $300 million it would take to make [a Final Crisis movie]. But entertainment has changed, again. We’ve been concerned with realism for a while, but we’re getting back into psychedelia and fantasy again. Look at James Cameron’s Avatar or Tim Burton’s Alice in Wonderland, which are two of the most successful films of the last two years. Both happened to catch a wave that few were ready for.”

Grant Morrison in Wired, November 2010

My recent entrance into the world of fatherhood has done to my theatergoing what Bane did to Batman’s back, but that hasn’t kept me from eagerly anticipating new superhero movies, for good or for ill, nor has it stopped me from picking them apart with my friends. During one such recent discussion about Kenneth Branagh’s hit Thor adaptation, two of my friends said it feels a lot like Marvel Studios’ other movies — one of them meant it as a compliment, the other as a criticism, but both agreed that this similarity was the plan all along. Thor’s roots in Stan Lee and Jack Kirby’s cosmic take on the Norse myths may be a million miles away from Iron Man’s weapons-manufacturer-turned-roguish-hero science fiction, but both properties are being filtered through Marvel Studios’ version of Marvel Comics’ “as close to the real world as the presence of superheroes will allow us to get” tone — specifically, the military-industrial version thereof that was pioneered, I’d say, by Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch’s The Ultimates a decade ago. Most of the other big superhero movies have been similarly earthbound, aesthetically speaking, from Christopher Nolan’s dark, Chicago-set Batman movies to the paramilitary jumpsuits of Bryan Singer’s X-Men. In those cases you could make a reasonable argument that toning things down made sense. In other cases, like Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man movies, making Spidey as much of an everyman as possible is part and parcel of the concept’s appeal.

But then there are situations like Fantastic Four, which seemed to run screaming from the visual and narrative flair provided by the Lee/Kirby original. Would it really have been so horrible to portray Galactus as a gigantic guy in a purple suit and hat? I know that in the bizarro logic that pervades a lot of nerd culture, that’s somehow less “serious” than a movie about astronauts who get mutated by cosmic rays would otherwise be, but even so, providing filmgoers with something they’ve never seen before can be a recipe for blockbuster success just as much as visual comfort food often is. Why not give it a shot? Why not use all of the spectacular elements of superhero fiction to really blow some minds? Sure, Thor has Asgard, but it’s still a relatively toned-down version compared to Jack Kirby’s eye-melting godlike machinery.

Which leads me to Green Lantern. Its first trailer was very very Iron Man in tone, with its “handsome womanizing wiseacre gets powers, learns to use them heroically” arc. Its second trailer was a more traditional “very serious superhero versus very serious threat in very serious action film” affair. But its third and most recent trailer goes full-on, balls-out cosmic in its depiction of the Green Lantern creation myth and the menagerie that is the Green Lantern Corps. Cotton-candy colors, wavy hazy energy, landscapes straight out of a Roger Dean album cover for Yes, a Crayola 64-pack of aliens, epic narration (“Billions of years ago, a race of immortals harnessed the most powerful force in existence: the emerald energy of willpower”) that sounds like it could have come from the B-side of Donovan’s “Atlantis” — it’s defiantly unrealistic. It presents the Green Lantern Corps as the anti-S.H.I.E.L.D. — there’s nothing ground-level about them whatsoever.

Obviously the movie’s not out yet — it could be really bad, and/or it could bomb. (Those two things are by no means necessarily related.) I’ve already seen plenty of complaints about the CGI, which makes no effort to hide that it’s CGI; I don’t mind that, because to me that’s how all sci-fi CGI has looked, from the Star Wars prequels right on through Avatar (The Lord of the Rings still has the best blend of extensive and convincing CGI usage to date, going on 10 years after it premiered), but I’m sure that could hurt it with some segments of the audience. But in watching this third trailer, what came to mind weren’t the two touchstones of contemporary superhero cinema, Iron Man and The Dark Knight, but Morrison’s dynamic duo of Avatar and Alice. Is that what superhero audiences want to see? We’re about to find out.

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I sure hope it’s not terrible.

I’ve been a Green Lantern fan forever and I’m going to pass on this. I want to support comic book related movies but not this one. I can deal with some changes to the costume and such (Batman Begins and Dark Knight) but they’ve gone too far with this one, to the point where the glowing lines on his costume are just painful to watch. I just can’t see myself sitting in a theatre having to stare at that costume for 2 hours. It’s really, really annoying. I don’t even want to see the trailers anymore on this. But I know there will be lots of die hard fans who are jazzed for this and I hope they enjoy it.

Joe, you’ve been a fan forever but you’re going to sit out? What if it’s awesome, will the lines in the costume overwhelm the story so much you really couldn’t enjoy it? I think that’s just crazy!

Also, I have to disagree with the point made that the first trailer was very Iron Manesque. I found it just the opposite. The producers of Iron Man did not look down on the source material to the point where the Tony Stark was making fun of himself in the trailer where I found Ryan Reynolds to be mocking and annoying in every scene I saw. Which to be fair, isn’t his fault since he’s reading from a script. There were lines in the trailer that were so cringe-worthy, I felt embarressed for Greg Berlanti, whose tv production work I enjoy immensely. In fact, most people were slamming Berlanti when it was first announced he was involved since the only movie he worked on before this was The Broken Hearts Club. My thought was, give this guy a chance, he’s responsible for some really good tv. Then I saw the 1st and 2nd trailer and completely lost interest. Lines like ‘I know, right’ and ‘I pledge allegiance to a lantern, given to me by a dying purple alien’ were just mocking the source material. As if pledging allegiance to the lantern is awkward because you’ve been pledging allegiance to a colored cloth called a flag, for pete’s sake.
Sorry, I really wanted to like this movie but I just can’t. More power to those who will most certainly enjoy it though.

TB —

I’ve seen enough of it to know I’m not interested. And yes, the glowing lines on his costume are a big, big turn off — enough of one that I don’t want to sit and stare at it for two hours in a movie theatre. It’s enough of a turn off that I don’t even watch the GL trailers anymore. Believe me, I’ve lived all my life without a Green Lantern movie and won’t feel any poorer if I sit this one out. There’s too many other movies I ‘do’ want to see this summer. On a positive note, I never, ever thought they would be able to do justice to Thor in a movie and that gave me a thrill I haven’t had since Donner’s Superman. It was THAT good. But then again, the trailers for Thor were mighty good too — and no one was making fun of the source material in that movie.

BTW, I am a DIE HARD New Teen Titans fan and I couldn’t sit through the Teen Titans cartoon either. Even though it was aimed at kids, the changes were just too much. I could listen to the cool theme song but after that, I had to change the channel. And I usually buy anything and everything Wolfman/Perez New Teen Titans related.

A hero with a magic ring and a spell he has to use to recharge it? GL belongs to the dumb pre-Marvel era of comics. I can see DC are desperate to emulate Marvel’s movie success, but apart from the Bat all their heroes are kind of stupid. Thor was awesome and Captain America is looking very exciting. I don’t think we need DC.

I hope it’s good and makes huge bank, but what has me concerned is that, (yep!) once again as in FF2, they chickened out and made the lame, and no longer even original decision to turn Parallax into a huge cloud of smoke. Hollywood can just be completely, mindbogglingly unbelievable in it’s bad decision making sometimes.

The film will defy expectation, drawing in a brand new audience.

Simon DelMonte

May 24, 2011 at 1:54 pm

1. My sense is that this is a love letter to everything Geoff Johns has done with the GL mythos. If you love that, you will love this. If you hate them, go see Super 8. I have no idea what the nonfan will think, though.

2. That said, it would be cool if we really get a space opera. We don’t get those too often. From anyone. And GL is, at its core (and its corps) a space opera. Even if Denny O’Neil thought that sending Hal on the road to find America was a good idea. (Denny, you are one of the all time greats, but you missed the mark on that one.)

Apollokid9000

May 24, 2011 at 2:54 pm

Out of the four major superhero films coming this summer, GL has had the most mixed reaction. On the Internet. I’m quite curious to see what the non-comic reading audience ( which ranges widely, sadly) will think of the film. Those in the know about GL have picked all the trailers/ promo pics apart. I wonder what a group of middle schools will make of it. I’m interested to see what the dad and mom watching the trailer on tv at the barber shop, thus watching the childs’ reaction to it as well, will think.

When the 1st trailer hit, I was a little suprised to hear unchanged lines from the 2nd draft of the script in it. That trailer was very Iron Man like. But the reason those in the know had a lukewarm reaction to it was that it was just that, Iron Man like. Hal Jordan, despite some similarities, is not Tony Stark.

Being that the movie GL is very much shaped by Geoff Johns comic GL, that fact can invite debut. Many critical of Johns Hal Jordan ( and recently Barry Allen) have stated that his a card board cut whose greatness is highlight through the supporting characters dialoge.

Based on the original origin and all those that followed, secret and other wise, Hal can easily be seen as a thrill seeking daredevil. So can Tony Stark. Both traits stem from tragic life experiences. For Hal, ( SPOILERS) watching his father die during a test flight. For Stark, being a kidnapped victim of terrorists. Naturally, the screenwriters spotted this and, as is often the case in commerical storytelling, followed the formula.

This was done to provide the ever important “human element” to the character of Hal. “This is how non comic viewers can identify”.

That’s nice and all but thankfully, the also realized what the story is about. The origin of Earths’ 1st scape cop.
The 2nd and 3rd trailers dive in to this part of the story, truly the center of it, and it’s all for the better.

So while the comic faith feel unease at what they’ve seen so far, I think most viewers will be in for a pleasant suprised. Not quite at the level Grant’s talk of but, with more success, we’ll probable reach there.

All the creators and fans need do is simple: gamble a stamp.

I just hope it’s got at the least, tiniest bit of goofiness in its heart.

@Joe That has got to be the stupidest reason to not see a movie

I have been a Green Lantern fan from back in the 80s and while I gave Thor a pass (will wait on the dvd), I have every intention of catching Green Lantern and Captain America when its released. Plan is for a bunch of us (6-7) to take it in as a group and enjoy ourselves

Joe-

It stars Ryan Reynolds and was written by the people who brought you Eli Stone, One Tree Hill, and other CW nonsense. You won’t be miss anything.

I for one can’t wait for this movie. Thor was really good. I expect X-men to good to ok, and am hoping for good things from Captain America. But Green Lantern is the comic movie I am really looking forward to this summer. The costume change could be problem for some but I don’t see it ruining the movie anymore than the costume did in Spider-man movie. The trailers have gotten better with each one and the last one with showing the corps is just freaking awesome.

I got a serious TRON: Legacy vibe from the newest trailer.

It’s nice idea to think that GL will be psychedelic, but I really doubt it. Here’s a link to the director saying he wanted to make the movie as real as possible:

http://www.eatsleeplivefilm.com/martin-campbell-plans-to-make-green-lantern-more-realistic/221/

I’ve been excited about this film from the word Go, and everything I’ve seen so far fits in wonderfully with my vision of Green Lantern. At this point, the only thing I would change is Blake Lively, and I seriously doubt she can make or break this film.

I’m a big fan of GL and the lore (but not really a Hal Jordan fan). Admittedly, I started reading when Rebirth came out. I’m not convinced that this will be good but I’m leaning towards that. I’ll most likely be there at midnight to watch it in 3D on IMAX (particularly for the IMAX experience).

As for the gradual shift in tone, I think it had to happen that way. Mainstream audiences had to first buy the more realistic takes, which in a sense adapted their palette to these more unbelievable characters and stories.

Green Lantern has a gaping hole of non-charisma as its leading man, piss-poor special effects and writers straight out of Mediocre City. Though I should probably know better, I’m betting that audiences will recognize this movie for the refried turd that it is and stay away in droves.

The big problem with DC’s so-called big guns is that, aside from Batman and Superman, their civilian identities and origin stories are about as interesting and compelling as spending an afternoon with a comatose elder relative on life support. Therefore, it’s no surprise that whenever Geoff Johns tries to put one of his favorite Silver Age stalwarts back on the map again, he puts so much emphasis on these retconned tragedies that supposedly drive the heroes in question but are really transparent attempts at Marvelizing DC’s boring dad-brigade. Go back to Amazing Fantasy #15 or Journey Into Mystery #83 or Tales of Suspense #39 and you’ll find the tragedy inherent in the origin stories, and the pathos that comes from the contradiction between civilian and heroic identities right there at the beginning, hard-wired from the start into characters like Spidey, Thor and Iron Man. Green Lantern and the Flash and the Atom on the other hand are just square-jawed guys who have happy accidents and decide to uphold law and order because they’re rock-solid establishment types who have nothing better to do. Sure, they look cool and iconic and have nifty powers, but take away their masks and you’re left with absolutely nothing of substance, which is why it’s such a damn shame DC has been marginalizing its legacy heroes in favor of the Flat (characterization, that is) Pack this past decade. I’ll take Wally West trying to live up to the memory of his mentor or Kyle Rayner, last space-cop in the universe, over Barry and Hal any day.

But, back to the matter at hand, this fundamental difference between Marvel and DC is why ultimately even a Marvel B- or C-lister like Blade or Doctor Strange will make for a better movie concept than the Justice League of Painfully Earnest Squares on their best day. And sorry Grant, but calling a movie psychedelic sometimes just sounds like an euphemism for headache-inducing. Speed Racer was a psychedelic, candy-colored wonderland of a movie, but a goddamn chore to get through nonetheless. I suspect Green Lantern will be no different.

(I mean, for fuck’s sake, just look at the mask. It’s ridonkulous!)

It’s a movie. That means its purpose is to entertain. Yes, I would agree that sometimes making changes makes it difficult for fans who are accustomed (through the years) to a particular character appearing and acting in a certain way. But you have to undersand that making movies means making changes. Those of you who sat out Thor preferring to watch it on the small screen missed a good movie. It was not meant to replace the original Thor or the storyline that has evolved through the decades. But it was fun. Do yourself a favor. Don’t be so critical. Enjoy life, grab some popcorn, and enjoy the movie.

i think that it would be the bottom of this summer’s superhero lists but i will see it regardless

I agree with the author. Aside from Donner’s Superman and Nolan’s Batman films, if they really are playing this film straight, it might be the most ambitious superhero movie to date. And I mean that in the sense that Martin Campbell isn’t shying away from the epic scope/weirdness/silliness of Green Lantern’s source material. “Defiantly unrealistic” is apt, all indications say that GL is unabashedly unashamed of it’s comic book roots.

I don’t know if the movie is any good but I’m hoping. I’m tired of Marvel’s half-assed glorified trailers. If GL fails it’ll dissuade other studios from taking any risks with their superhero properties. God forbid, I shudder to think the mediocre Iron Man 2 and Thor will be the rule instead of the exceptions.

If only the FF movie had been a little “Defiantly unrealistic”

@Joe
I don’t understand, who was making fun of the source material? Most everything was played pretty straight save for the dying purple alien line. Just curious, what is your favorite thing about Green Lantern? IS it the Costume? I’m just suprised, given that you’ve been a fan you’re whole life.

Every time they roll out one of these movies, we hear some anal fanboys moaning about a lack of respect for the source material. What a load of crap!
You should be thankful that someone is willing to spend boatloads of money on all this fucking nonsense, and stop trying to justify your lack of taste and maturity, by telling yourself there’s something important about guys flying around in their underoos beating each other up. It’s supposed to be stupid and fun, not some pretentious shit for whiney baby-men.

@the Prowler

The movie hasn’t even come out yet and you’re basing your entire rant on a couple of minutes of trailer. You’re acting as if you’ve seen the movie.

You haven’t, champ. You don’t know how good the movie is. Nor do I.

Sounds like you were raped by one of the Guardians when you were a child or something. Chill out bro.

I will watch it nonetheless. For some reason Blake Lively got me hooked.

What?

Wow, this article was a little all over the place.

Anyway, as for the Green Lantern trailers they seem to just be unfocused. I mean the last one was better because it attempted to explain the origin of the concept in a dramatic way; which I believe is standard practice for a new idea movies but it was wholly narrated. Exposition is not really much of a draw in action movies these days. With this improved trailer I get the feeling this structure wasn’t used originally for some reason like maybe the CGI was not done yet or maybe they thought their concept would be easily understood because of this climate of comicbook based movies. I don’t know, but if the latter logic that seems more dubious but none-the-less possible either the former or latter neither seems to have served their purpose drawing in audiences.

When I take into account the amount of CGI this movie has the immediate comparison I make is Avatar but this thing has really really terrible CGI in comparison (really terrible CGI). Why would somebody go to a badly done green version of Avatar without the sexy giant cat (people love cats) people and Mechs in space? Although, they both share that hero’s journey story, sadly though even in that field the trailers revealed the writing to be insecure and sketchy. I could never understand why someone would suffer through this CGI fest for what seems to be the story of a character that is just there and let stuff happens without some prior personal investment. Think about it there will not even be a Brandon Roth or Christian Bale cameo.

This Green Lantern movie might have been better served as a big budget 3D animated movie set in the 50s styled universe. Even that was done already in The Incredibles but I can’t see what is in this movie that has not been done already and done better.

@ Joe – I very much doubt you are or have ever been a GL fan. I have little doubt that you are a misery-guts though.

I’ve been a fan of Captain America for 36 years and I was even excited to see that turd of a Cap film from the 90′s (at least about 3 – 5 minutes of it). I’m ecstatic that I not only got to see Thor this year, but soon will be seeing Cap in a major big budget movie. Maybe it’ll suck overall (I doubt it) but as a FAN there has to be at least something I can get from it, even if it’s just seeing him in costume, toss a shield etc.

I am just as enthusiastic about seeing Green Lantern. I’ve been a GL fan for 20 years. The fact that he is not wearing green and grey spandex makes no difference. I’m a FAN. I’ll sit through fan made trailers featuring Nathan Fillion as GL and still get a buzz. The trailer looks amazing.

If you are a fan then I suggest having a hard look at yourself – if you’re that critical maybe it’s time to move on to a new hobby, and/ or staying away from the superhero genre. You’ve lost your inner Peter Pan.

I’m always shaking my head at the pettiness and general “can’t say anything positive ’cause it’s not cool” direction of many posters. I find it difficult to believe many of the posters follow through on anything they say e.g. I’ll wait for the DVD, blah, blah, blah. It reminds me of a conversation I had with my brother who in a similar fashion to these posts, said about the Phantom Menace, “I hated every part of that movie! Even after the fifth time I saw it I still hated it!” Nevertheless he saw it 5 TIMES and bought the DVD. Sound familiar? You know who you are…

@ the Prowler

“The big problem with DC’s so-called big guns is that… blah, blah, blah”

Heard it all before.

I have a dream. A dream that one day, fanboys across the world will realise that bagging another company’s characters DOES NOT instantly result in their company’s characters somehow becoming cooler. I have a dream that one day fanboys will be mature enough not to generalise characters, and realise that every character, be it Marvel or DC, can be viewed both positively and negatively by anyone, for any number of number of reasons (“hey it’s magic” “the magic punch.”)

I have a dream that one day fanboys will be mature enough to realise that a comic company is a souless, corporate entity and there is no vaild reason to choose one souless, corporate entity over the other. That one can love Superman, Spider-Man, Captain America, Hellboy, Spawn, Judge Dredd, Captain Marvel, and Archie and every other comics character equally regardless of what company they belong to.

I have a dream…

I’m gonna need both Prowler and Jayz to fall down some stairs.

Iron Man and GL’s origins are very similar. They both have tragedies occur to them that cause them to briefly take on the appearance of superheroes, but once that’s done with, both of them could easily choose to return to their normal lives (which, despite Tony being rich, his and Hal’s lives are kinda similar in terms of lots of girls, glamorous job, etc.), but choose not to because both are choosing to do the right thing.

I don’t know where all of these people became CGI experts but their opinions on the CGI is about as believable as Charles Barkley’s opinion on Lebron James and the Miami Heat. The CGI on GL has looked great on par if not better than anything I saw in Avatar, seeing Kilowog, Tomar Re and others was mindblowing. I have no idea if GL will be a hit or not or even if it’ll be good but everything that i’ve seen from the story ideas Hammond, Parrallax to the differences between OA and Earth is very impressive and gives me hope it’ll be the GL movie that i’ve always wanted to see.

This movie has great ambition and if they can pull it off it will be the most impressive feat since Snyder was able pulled off Watchmen only this will be on a bigger scale. There is alot of story and effects that will be needed to be blended together without losing the audience and being able to attract the hardcore fan and the novice movie goer and I honestly don’t know if it’s even possible. GL for all the grief the character takes imo has always been the hardest to try and capture on the big screen and as a long time fan the fact that WB is even doing it makes me respect them.

I’m not the biggest GL fan, but the concept of a police force in space that nobody knows anything of until one of us is chosen has always been enticing to me, even as a kid. It always puts me in mind of the Jedis. There’s literally a GL out there for everyone (mine is Cartoon Network’s JLU John Stewart).

I also find the prejudice aliens have towards humans very interesting. They find us backwards because we haven’t developed a one-world government, which underlies our natural defiance of authority. I find that such an endearing quality in humans, and I’m happy that GLs like Hal, Guy, Kyle, and John can bring that enduring human sensibility to an alien police force.
Another complaint was that we never leave our planet; we’re born here and we die here without ever having gone into space. That hits close to home, too, having known people who’ve never left their home state, let alone their country of birth.

I’ll be the first (or 20th) in line to see this concept come to life on the big screen.

@Rob D – LMAO. That’s the truest comment I have ever read. Still LMAO.

I like comic movies – as comic fans we have to support our favourite characters comign to the screen.
Of course they’ll be re-interpreted for the screen, what works on the page doesn’t always translate to the screen.

2 Adaptations come to mind which got the look and feel right but failed miserably with the emotion – Watchmen & Daredevil; you somehow got the fact they didn’t understand the characters and weren’t treating the material with enough respect. Sam Raimi actually liked Spidey and that connection showed in the film-making – for the most part.

Gl suffers from 2 counts – it’s a very crowded super-hero summer and GL has to be more than adequate to do good business. Secondly I would argue Thor has stolen some of it’s thunder and raised the bar by being a very good adaptation which critics & audiances have liked. In comparison the GL trailers have just felt wrong – the vibe is misplaced.

GL is a fantastic hero, cosmic beyond compare with some very heavy sci-fi concepts, as good as anything Kirby created, and he has a certain gravitas. Let’s face it, if you only weapon is your own willpower then it’d better be bloody strong. And that’s where the casting of Ryan Reynolds is a problem, he is a lightweight who can’t do gravitas. I just don’t buy this guy has the mental strenth to be a cosmic policeman.

Finally one thing about the CGI , especially with his ring-crafted weapons, I get the same vibe as the stuff The Mask; it all looks a bit cartoony.

I will definately watch it and I think all comic fans should hold judgement until tehy’ve actually seen the film.
But like many posters here I have mixed expectations for it.

On a another note – I had the same reservations about X-Men First Class but this review actually gives it a 5 star; I juiced up for it now:)
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/review/a321200/x-men-first-class-review.html

It is pretty damn stupid that studios and even comic fans who are in denial are adamant about realism in superhero films. Personally I don’t think Nolan’s films are really that much more real than Burton’s pure dark fantasy. Though I’ll take Nolan’s over Burton’s, especially the second one. Realism isn’t jack squat if the movie and characters are boring. Fantasy isn’t either, mind you. To say Fantastic Four or Superman need to be realistic is ass backwards. Why don’t you just deliver a good story with proper characters and a good plot? Realism is irrelevant to that.

Heck, realism is all in how you film it anyway. If you’re a good writer and director you could set a story anywhere and make it realistic. The aforementioned Lord of the Rings was set in a fantasy land but it felt real. And that’s what matters, if it feels real. You can set and film it in downtown LA and the movie can still feel fake as hell.

Grant Morrison as talking about comic book movies for long life term fans, the kind of movies where no one needs to be realistic in order to make sense in films, like you know All star superman life long fans loves it and some casual one as well, superman earth one casual readers loved it but not the fans. I love chris nolan batman films but I am just hoping that one day we will be able to film batman rip and return of bruce wayne on movie with out the realism dose, here goes wishful thinking. same goes for the superman films if they put a little bit of all star superman it wil be smash hit for both fans and new viewers. now hollywood have the technology to show all this fantastic superman stuff they dont have to bound by the limitations of chris reeve films (which were great by the way), why they still stick to their frame work , movie style fortress and zod doest make sense at all. remember grant morrison, waid, tom poyer and miller pitch for superman 2000 if dc goes on with hit superman would probably be bigger hit than current batman comics. and some one would find a way to bring back all the stuff on movie, i mena how cool it will be to show superman vision of sub atomic particles and all the light spectrum showing fortress in all star style.

Green Lantern looks awesome. I cannot wait to see it.

Martin Campbell made Zorro awesome, rebooted James Bond twice. Reynolds and Strong are both very good actors. The list of movies they are awesome in is endless.
The CGI looks awesome and exciting-Oscar winners did the effects.
An Oscar Winner scored the movie.

FINAL CRISIS, the movie? Funniest thing Grant has said in 5 years.

@ Rob D

And exactly how “mature” is it to resort to name-calling and mocking people you don’t even know? I’m a big comics fan, so I too would have an issue with them straying too far away from the source material, considering that the fans are the ones who buy the books that keep the industry going. And while I realize that the comics industry and the movie industry are two separate entities, and Hollywood is going to do what they need to do to make money, those of us who are buying the books, enjoying their stories and supporting their creators have just as much right (if not more) to voice our thoughts and opinions on the movies based on these books as anyone else. By the way, reading comics when I was a child inspired me to become a writer, so yes, there is “something important about guys flying around in their underoos beating each other up”.

I can’t wait for this movie and its a shame that fans can’t get behind it for what seem like petty reasons, I expect it from the Marvel trolls but not from GL fans too.

I think its gonna be great anyway, though I’m not expecting the critics to like it since it will be a bit too far out for them. Hopefully it gets the kids on board which is what creates fans for the future…

I kinda think Thor did manage to beat GL to the punch with the rainbow bridge. Sure they didn’t ride six-legged horses and goat-drawn carriages all the way down to Midgard, but it was a freaking RAINBOW BRIDGE! I honestly didn’t expect to see any actual bridge, because it sounds as ridiculous for the big screen as Hector Hammond’s head, yet there it was.

Count me in the camp that’s bummed that they didn’t go with the giant fear bug. Sure that sounds lame but it’s no worse than a fear cloud. I guess they want to get across the idea that he’s come to consume all with fear, but they could’ve managed a similar effect with trillions of little fear bugs, crawling all over people, through ear canals and any other orifices that could allow them to infest the masses. Possible they ran out of money, but it’s really as bad as Galacticloud.

Ah, Green Lantern fans…y’all just get riled up too easily. Then again, I keep forgetting this is the fandom that formed its own lobby-group to browbeat the forces of innovation into reverting back to Milquetoast Man Hal Jordan. If only a HEAT-like group had been around in the late ’50s to call for the return of Alan Scott, the original Green Lantern, this whole mess (and upcoming stinker of a movie) could’ve been avoided.

A few quick points:
@ChittyBang – so you’re saying my uncle is a Guardian? That…explains quite a lot, actually. In all seriousness though, you’re right: Green Lantern could, contrary to all evidence seen so far, be a highly enjoyable movie, a masterpiece even. Then again, jumping off a building might just be an exciting way to access a parallel universe instead of an one-way ticket to splatterville. We simply *can’t* know (or apparently speculate): you and I have both never tried it ourselves. Maybe you should give it a try, so we can have an informed discussion on the matter, slugger.

(I’ve always wanted to call someone slugger.)

@Jamie – you’ve heard it all before because it’s true: in terms of quality and innovation, Marvel’s Silver Age outshines DC’s like the sun outshines the moon. You don’t have to be a card-carrying member of the Merry Marvel Marching Society to see that’s true: I fiercely enjoy me some Invincible, Savage Dragon, Top Ten, Captain Marvel, TMNT and yes, Batman, but I also have a proper sense of history. No worries though, you keep on sleeping (excuse me, ‘dreaming’), slow man.

@SageShini – No! Tony Stark and Hal Jordan are only *superficially* alike. Getting mortally wounded and taken hostage and only escaping through personal ingenuity which leaves you with an artificial heart that empowers you but also makes you vulnerable is a tragedy, something that believably facilitates the transformation from unfocused layabout arms manufacturer to heroic, selfless superhero genius. Being a square-jawed test pilot who one day gets a magic ring from a dying space alien so you can be an equally square-jawed space cop superhero is a happy accident. The former is an awesome story in its own right, the latter just leaves you wondering “And then what happens?”

Don’t get me wrong, I think you can tell good stories with a space cop set-up…it’s just that Hal Jordan, despite over a decade of Geoff Johns’s retcons and revisions (He’s a hothead! He had daddy issues! He doesn’t get along with the Guardians ’cause we human are just too radical and independent-minded and stuff!), is a terribly, terribly dull character to focus said space cop saga on. Why do you think Frank Miller had Batman school him like he did in All-Star Batman & Robin? Because Hal Jordan is a dope, a dullard, a maroon, a nondescript boob.

Also, lest we forget…

…THE GREEN LANTERNS ARE ONE BIG LENSMAN RIP-OFF ANYWAY.

Sam Robards, Comic Fan

May 25, 2011 at 6:58 am

I’ve been a Green Lantern addict since Rebirth, which I picked up on a whim (what can I say? Johns pulled me in for good with that one), and have been gobbling up as much GL as possible since.

That being said, while I do want to see this movie and do want it to succeed (let’s face it, DC/Warner needs it to succeed, too. If not, they’ll just be sitting around getting bludgeoned by Marvel movies until they find the next Nolan), I do have some concerns.

First, I’m not sold on Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan. Don’t get me wrong, I like Ryan Reynolds, but his tendency to resort to snarky smart-ass-ness (and writers’ tendency to play up that same trait) makes me a little uneasy. There’s a fine line between being cavalier (Hal Jordan’s defining trait) and being a smartass (Reynold’s defining trait). If I had been in charge, I probably would have cast Chris Pine (Kirk from the newest Star Trek): he played up that cavalier attitude of being cocky, yet committed pretty perfectly. Reynolds is an actor, and (most) actors have at least some sort of range.

Look at Chris Evans. He was in Not Another Teen Movie, and I was a little nervous when I heard the casting choice. But after I saw the trailer, I said, “Holy crap, I think he could nail it.” We don’t know if that movie’s any good or not, but the trailer showed us that Evans can play the part. That first GL trailer showed us that Ryan Reynolds can be … Ryan Reynolds.

My other main concern is Parallax. Really, another cloud monster? Yeah, this one has a face, but that doesn’t change the fact that it could (potentially) be a disaster.

I won’t let these things prevent me from seeing the movie, but they do make me a bit … cautious.

Sam Robards, Comic Fan

May 25, 2011 at 7:06 am

On a semi-related tangent, I don’t have a helluva lot of hope for the new X-Men movie, and X-Men is what got me into comics.

With a good comic book movie, you have to balance use of the source material with the creation of a new story, and, with the X-Men franchise (as of late. X-Men and X2 were great. X3? Not Spider-Man 3 bad, but not that great, either), Fox just seems to be intent on making random movies and putting the X-Men name on them (see X-Men Origins: Wolverine).

I’ll still go see it, but they just seem to be getting father and farther away from what I, as an X-Men diehard, want to see on the big screen. Oh well.

Am I literally the only one who doesn’t have any problems with Parallax? Yeah, he seems to be a cloud, but if you pause the footage or go to WalMart and look at the toys, he also has a face not all the different from the big bug in the comics. Sure, he’s a cloud, but he’s a lot better of a cloud adaptation than Galactus was.

My biggest gripe with Parallax is that they’re showing him in the trailer…

Akwasi…
I saw the trailer with a few friends who are non comic readers and they laughed at it, saying it looked goofy. There were a couple of lines in there that even made me cringe as a fan, ‘I know, right?’ and the whole pledge alliegance to a lantern thing made no sense. Because if you are going to mock making fun of pledging to a lantern, what does that say about people who salute a colored piece of cloth we call a flag?

I have no problem with Ryan Reynolds as GL. He wouldn’t have been my first choice but ok, I would have given him a chance. I’m old enough to remember the outrage when Michael Keaton was cast as Batman and even I had reservations as a teenager, having grown up seeing all of his comedies. But when the Batman trailer hit, Keaton just so nailed it, people were paying to see any movie playing the Batman trailer — just to see the trailer. And people loved the film, setting off Batmania across the country. Batman comics were selling through the roof as was anything with a Bat logo on it. There was a frenzy because people at the time thought it was good.

I don’t get that vibe from GL. Looking at the GL suit is like looking at a light up poster of the male anatomy. It’s annoying and not something I want to stare at for 2 hours. But hey, different strokes for different folks. If people want to get all up in arms because I don’t like the same things they do or am not ‘jizzing in my pants’ like some of the fanatics are doing, that’s on them.

This summer is loaded with a lot of great movies. I’ll go see what interests me and everyone else will go see what interests them.

I’ve been saying this for years. I think the silent majority of superhero lovers have been too. Now that Grant Morrison says it, it’s news. Fanboys I tellsya.

This movie is going to kick ass!

Actually, the lights in the uniform make such great common sense….what other hero would be a better choice for a bright costume with internal lights?

Ryan Reynolds is an excellent choice for a superhero: he’s got the looks and the vibe.

So, any GL fan should see the movie. It may not be good, but (if you are such a fan) I don’t see how you could miss the opportunity to see the first attempt to bring him to the big screen.

(I would have predicted Thor to be one of the worst movies of the year.—how could a Thor movie be done at all?…. I’m glad I was wrong about that….)

@Joe

You still havent given us any reason why you’re not going to see this movie outside of “OMG THE SUIT”. Youv’e said the characters make fun of themselves and the source material, yet you dont give any examples of it. The closest thing we get to it making fun of the source material is the “dying purple alien” bit and to be honest, in a movie about a pilot who gets a magic green ring and becomes a super space cop there needs to be something to break a smile or two just to prevent things from getting TOO serious. Even The Dark Knight had it with the “You want to turn your head” and “He does that” bits.

Plus it seems kinda silly that you’re saying the Green Lantern suit is the reason you wont see that movie but you stated you were excited about Thor and Cap, which both have noticeable revamps of the classic comic suits; Thor getting a rubbery space-tupperware suit and Cap getting essentially a padded 40′s football outfit. With the exception of Chis Reeve’s Superman suit, pretty much every movie adaptation of a superhero costume gets some sort of revamp; I’ve already mentioned Thor and Cap, Spidey got the silver raised webbing and will be getting another suit soon, Iron Man jumped straight from the original armor to the Extremis model, Batman’s costume is always more tech-ish and blacker than his comic version, Hulk lacked the purple pants (and made fun of it), etc, etc.

Long story short, I strongly question how strong of a GL fan you are since you’re quite obviously going out of your way to hate on this movie instead of embracing it or just rolling with it.

Prowler, you said:

“…THE GREEN LANTERNS ARE ONE BIG LENSMAN RIP-OFF ANYWAY.”

Not quite. I’ve read the Doc Smith books and for all their innovations, they suffer from the same things you deride in Silver Age DC Comics: the “square jawed space cop” schtick in particular.

The Schwartz-Broome GL of the Silver Age is IMO different enough from the Lensman saga to be merely a riff, not a rip-off. Broome’s particularly interesting when he plays around with the Clark Kent/Lois Lane pattern that he borrowed for the Jordan/Ferris relationship. You won’t find anything like it in the Lensman saga, since Smith may have been the single worst guy ever to write female characters in any genre!

Seph…

I really don’t have to defend why I have no interest in a movie. I just don’t. Whether you think its silly or anyone else does, is irrelevant. It’s actually foolish to think anyone should have to support something they don’t think looks good just because I read about it in another medium.

Many times studios make adaptations of books that people like. Often, the adaptation is terrible and a discerning person can tell by previews, promotions and trailers whether it is worthwhile to them as a consumer. My point is, just because I bought and read a book, doesn’t mean the film is going to be good nor does it mean I should support it just because I liked the book. Most recently, Lovely Bones was made into a film. The book was excellent. The film was crap.

I’m just not interested in this movie. The ring looks great, I’ll probably by a Noble Collection prop but will pass on the movie. FYI, I’m a Flash Gordon fan too and didn’t see the Sci Fy remake either because I thought that looked dumb too. I’m just not enough of a fanatic I guess. And I don’t ‘jizz in my pants’ over a superhero movie either like some of the other fans are doing over this one.

Gene Phillips, you are of course completely right – it was just a cheap shot. I’m interested though, would you personally recommend reading Lensman? I’ve never read the books myself, but I’ve heard that their quality drops precipitously after the first one, and that all the characters (not only the female ones, tho I’ll gladly take your word for it) in general are flatter than cardboard. Still, ever since I stumbled onto the character sheets for a proposed ’80s Lensman Anime, I’ve always thought the concept + weird name of Lensman had a lot of potential for some kind of revival down the line.

(incidentally, if current Green Lantern comics focused more on the space cop aspect rather than the incestuous mythology of color-coded cosmic emotional forces, I’d like the books a whole lot more, Hal Jordan or not)

As a true life long GL fan ( I have the tattoo, GL wedding ring, and pics from my GL themed wedding to prove it) I can say that I’m super hyped for the movie. If it sucks then I’ll admit it and remain as big a fan as before but from what I’ve seen so far it looks like I will not be disappointed. People are always quick to judge genre films before they’re even released and it’s more than a bit annoying. See the film and then you can by all means hate on it if it’s bad but don’t jump the gun based off three (increasingly awesome) trailers.

” Is “Green Lantern” the Psychedelic Superhero Movie We’ve Been Waiting For?”

I can only speak for myself, but HELL YES!

This seems to be the first superhero film that is taking the (outlandish) concept of superhero comics and running with it. Finally! As much as i like the Nolan “B” films and (love) the first Superman film, the GL movie just looks so very…out there. That is a welcome change.

I think the recent Marvel films all suffer from a dry sameness as far as style goes.

So the more cosmic the GL film looks, the better.

I think being a completely fantastic (not as in a complement, but for the sci-fi connotation) film is a step in the right direction for comic book films. As good as the Nolan Batman films, the X-Men movies, and Iron Man were, I really want less realism. It’s a freaking comic book-based movie! Comics (and movies themselves) are supposed to be unreal! Mainstream audiences are just going to have to (figuratively) change or die. Just like the increasing need to learn Spanish or Chinese in our global world of today, sooner or later regular people are going to need to understand “geekspeak”.

@Seph
May 25, 2011 at 1:02 pm

“@Joe: Plus it seems kinda silly that you’re saying the Green Lantern suit is the reason you wont see that movie but you stated you were excited about Thor and Cap, which both have noticeable revamps of the classic comic suits; Thor getting a rubbery space-tupperware suit and Cap getting essentially a padded 40′s football outfit.”

Got to pull you up on this – the Thor & Cap costumes are not isolated movie reworking of the costumes separate from the comics.
Thor is a very faithful rendition of the costume create when Thor was re-launched by JMS.
Cap is a reworking of the Ultimates costumes designed by Bryan Hitchen and no great surprise why it was done. The whole Marvel film universe is strongly based on the Ultmates approach – see th casting of Samual Jackson as Fury, so no wonder they went there for their inspiration. Also the director Joe Johnson came out against the traditional costume as something that look ridiculous. & Finally the clincher – that aweful Cap film from 1990 with Matt Salinger, teh costume just didn’t work on screen.

Note to all the fanboys who dislike anything about the new Green Lantern movie: protest by wearing all-yellow clothing to the theatre. Maybe that’ll make it go away. At the very least, it’ll have about as much effect on the film’s success or failure as a handful of geeks posting their complaints on message boards like this one.

@Ike Harris: nice comment. It’s utterly true.

@Anyone who is a long-term fan, but doesn’t want to see if for…whatever reason: Whether it be the lines on the suit, whether it be the cycadelic CGI, whether it be Ryan Reynolds, whether it be anything besides the story… We’re comic book fans. Shouldn’t you want to support the Green Lantern movie at all? The movie, personally, looks great. The ONLY complaint that I’ve ever even had thought of for this movie is that Parallax is a big cloud, thing rather than the bug I’ve learned to hate. My only concern for DC’s sake is that they will lose any new possible fans who end up reading anything that might include Parallax and hate the fact that he isn’t the cloud-thing from the movie. They have so much CGI going on, already…why not make a weird bug-thing? But that’s my only complaint/concern. Otherwise it looks like a great, interesting, humorous (to the correct extent), and just as I would probably picture the movie myself.
I haven’t been reading comics my whole life, but I’ve been reading them for a good 3 years now and I’ve liked almost every Green Lantern story out there. I hate to be some kind of nay-sayer to all of you long-term fans…and maybe I’m wrong. But if you’re a true DC/Green Lantern fan like myself, then you aren’t just going to skip on the chance to see Abin Sur, Sinestro, Kilowog, and Hal Jordan come to life…and I couldn’t bring myself to not watch it…THINK ABOUT IT! If you’re a die-hard DC-er, like myself, then you can’t let Marvel get the win.

By your way of logic, all Superman fans should have watched and supported Smallvile. In fact, ALL comic book fans should have watched and supported Smallville because how often is it that a comic book character gets his own weekly tv show! When it was on, YOU SHOULD HAVE SUPPORTED IT!

Final note, what’s truly disturbing is that some of you have resorted to childish name calling, put downs and shameful displays of hate simply because some people don’t want to see this movie.

Do you realize how sick you sound? You guys are claiming anyone who doesn’t want to see this film is XXX because ‘You hate a movie’. Yet, you’re being hateful to people just because they don’t like a movie.

What’s worse, someone hating a movie or hating a person because they hate a movie.

I never put down anyone for wanting to see this movie. It’s rude, immature and disrespectful to put me or anyone else down for not wanting to see it. It’s no wonder the comics community has a problem getting new readers and keeping old ones.

Yes please let us judge a movie based on a trailer maybe just maybe wait for the bloody movie to come out then go see it and then your thoughts on it matter

Just can’t get past Ryan Reynolds on this one. I think the effects and storyline look to be great, but Reynolds lends an overtone of “comedic lightness” to his roles- and that’s just not Hal Jordan. Hopefully they keep it serious and leave the humor at a minimum.

If this movie is good and it bombs in the box office we only have ourselves to blame. This is the comic book equivalent to Star Wars. So why wouldn’t it make a ton of money in theaters?

Joe –
I can understand your reluctance to see Green Lantern, which you’ve always been such a big fan of. I’ve always been a big fan of Playboy, Penthouse and the new internet porn, which allows me to look at pictures of my ideal female type. And after 38 years of living in my parents’ basement, I actually met a woman who is exactly my type, and, even more amazing, she want to go out with me. But she has this habit of wearing these big dangly earrings, which means she’s definitely NOT EXACTLY my type, so I think I’ll just ignore her calls and keep looking at pictures instead of experiencing the real thing.

Sure you’ll agree that’s definitely the smart thing to do.

@ Joe

No Joe, what a lot of us are tired of is a certain population of posters making statements like, “I’m boycotting Captain America because I refuse to see a CA movie which doesn’t display his ears!!” And then attempting to legitimize their stupidity by stating, “I’m a longtime fan!” Sound crazy? Those were some of the comments coming out when the first Chris Evans/ Cap promotional images came out across some sites.

It was the same with Dark Knight (some were bagging Ledger, & petitioning for Nicholson to return – can u believe it?), Iron Man (where did all the Downey Jnr haters go?), X-Men, Thor, and now Green Lantern.

Frankly, posts like this are repetitive and boring so that’s why they take a hit. Hating on a film for a minor (but IMO understandable) costume change is idiotic.

the Prowler wrote:

“@Jamie – you’ve heard it all before because it’s true: in terms of quality and innovation, Marvel’s Silver Age outshines DC’s like the sun outshines the moon. You don’t have to be a card-carrying member of the Merry Marvel Marching Society to see that’s true: I fiercely enjoy me some Invincible, Savage Dragon, Top Ten, Captain Marvel, TMNT and yes, Batman, but I also have a proper sense of history. No worries though, you keep on sleeping (excuse me, ‘dreaming’), slow man.”

Prowler, if you’re 15 and under I can understand holding on to the immature “us and them” mentality – it’s cute. But if not, man, you have my sympathies. Time to put away the Iron Man pyjamas and embrace a more mature attitude.

Jamie, buddy, it’s not an “Us VS Them” mentality – I don’t have a dog in the whole DC VS Marvel fight. Both companies have put out some quality comics and memorable runs in their time. Hell, I’d argue that DC in the mid-to-late ’90s was a lot more fun to read than Marvel, not to mention that DC’s more sustained forays into non-superhero publishing (Vertigo, Paradox Press, ABC) clearly mark it as the more progressive publisher of the two. But when it comes to the Silver Age, Marvel beats DC hands down. A few standout titles aside (like Doom Patrol and Metamorpho), Marvel’s books (and new characters) from that time are much better in both concept and execution, for exactly the reasons I spelled out in my first post. Now, you might not like hearing that and therefore want to chalk it up to some blinkered partisanship on my part, but sit down with a stack of reprints from the ’60s by both companies and tell me if you honestly prefer Green Lantern fighting Sonar and Jimmy Olsen marrying a gorilla over the coming of Galactus or Spider-Man struggling under all that rubble in Amazing #33. God, Steranko’s work on Nick Fury alone singlehandedly beats everything DC put out in that decade!

So, like I said: sleep well, and sweet dreams – SLOW MAN.

SLOW MAN? LMAO Make sure mum tucks you in and gives you a glass of water…

I feel sorry for The Prowler.

It must be hard not realising everyone’s laughing AT you, and not WITH you. But then again, he doesn’t realise it…

I don’t care if you’re laughing at me or with me, or even if you think that inferring I’m some unknowledgeable fifteen year old (looking at you, Jamie) substitutes for substantive criticism of my stated positions. What I do care about is that you pay attention to me, and by responding to now days-old posts with what must surely qualify as one of the lamest Bronx cheers ever (“I feel sorry for The Prowler because me and at least one other person don’t like what he has to say!”) you’re doin exactly that, GL Fan. So, by all means, go ahead….laugh at me. Your ridiculous attempt at showing contempt shows me I’ve pierced your withered, Hal Jordan-loving soul more than you’ll ever be able to admit. Please remember this moment we shared when the Green Lantern movie bombs horribly, okay?

LMAO. “What I do care about is that you pay attention to me” Tantrum anyone? Don’t hold your breath too long, you’ll turn blue.

You are your own worst enemy. This is like taking candy from a big, blue, holding his breath, baby.

BYB – I’ve always been a Kyle Rayner fan myself, but look forward to the film nonetheless (with my apparent withered soul).

You are too much fun.

Prowler,
Don’t know if anyone’s still reading this but to answer your question: I’d agree that the first Lensman book is pretty good and the others pretty much fall into a routine. Oddly, according to one writeup some contemporaneous readers weren’t crazy about seeing the Lensmen falling into “space cop” mode, like busting crooks for drug-smuggling.

I’d also note that Broome’s GL did a better job of building up a mythos of villains as Smith was somewhat weak on villains too.

I haven’t read much of the “Colored Lanterns” stuff so I can’t judge much of it. I think it could be a great concept but Johns is not a real inventive guy overall.

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