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DC relaunch scorecard: DCnU or DC No?

Green Lantern #1, by Dave Johnson

Although it seems like DC’s big relaunch announcement came out an eternity ago, it actually took the publisher less than two weeks to roll out the 52 titles and their creative teams for the big relaunch/reboot/overhaul coming in September. Now that the cats are out of their respective bags, I thought I’d see where various creators and characters will land after the reboot.

So I went back through DC’s August solicitations to see who was writing or drawing what, and tried to map everyone to their post-relaunch project — if they had one. However, looking at DC’s August solicitations, there seem to be several fill-in issues, so where appropriate I tried to map the most recent ongoing creative teams to their new projects (for instance, I consider Gail Simone and Jesus Saiz the regular creative team for Birds of Prey, even if they aren’t doing the last two issues before September hits). Keep in mind that I just went through the ongoing series and skipped over all the miniseries … of which there are a lot, what with Flashpoint winding up in August.

It’s also worth noting that although several creators didn’t appear in the “big 52″ announcements, that doesn’t mean their tenure with DC is necessarily over — some, like Frazer Irving, have said they have future projects that haven’t been announced. So I tried to note where creators have talked publicly about their post-relaunch plans with DC (or lack thereof, as the case may be). The same could probably be said for some of DC’s characters as well. Or, as Gail Simone said on Twitter: “Again, September is NOT THE END. There’s still plans for characters that we haven’t seen yet.”

So let’s get to it ….

Green Lantern titles: There is no Green Lantern title in August. July’s issue, #67, wraps up “War of the Green Lanterns” and is by Geoff Johns, Doug Mahnke and Christiam Almy — the same guys working on Green Lantern #1. Green Lantern Corps #63 is by Tony Bedard and Tyler Kirkham, while Green Lantern: Emerald Warriors #13 is by Peter J. Tomasi and Fernando Pasarin. The latter creative team takes over Green Lantern Corps in September, while the former moves to Green Lantern: New Guardians. As Sean Collins pointed out last week, not a lot of change here in terms of creative teams, although the GL books do have a new sister book in the previously announced Red Lanterns title by Peter Milligan and Ed Benes.

Booster Gold: Looks like issue #47 is the last one, which ties into Flashpoint. Dan Jurgens is writing Justice League International #1, starring Booster Gold, with artist Aaron Lopresti. And Jurgens is drawing the J.T. Krul-written Green Arrow.

Justice League of America: The book will drop “of America” from the title in September, as Geoff Johns and Jim Lee take over the series from James Robinson and … I guess the last regular artist was Brett Booth? Booth moves to Teen Titans, while James Robinson doesn’t appear anywhere on the big list of 52 titles. Which is … odd.

Between this, GL and Aquaman (with artist Ivan Reis), DC Chief Creative Officer Johns is tied with Teen Titans/Red Hood and the Outlaws/Superboy scribe Scott Lobdell for writing the most titles for DC come September.

Superman: The Man of Tomorrow #1

Superman titles: Lots of changes here … Paul Cornell and Kenneth Rocafort wrap up the “Reign of the Doomsdays” storyline in Action Comics in September. Cornell moves on to Stormwatch and Demon Knights, while Rocafort moves to Red Hood and the Outlaws. The book’s previous artist, Pete Woods, is on Legion Lost. Meanwhile, Grant Morrison and Rags Morales take over Action Comics.

The “Grounded” storyline in Superman ends with August’s issue #714, by J. Michael Straczynski, Chris Roberson, Allan Goldman and Eber Ferreira. Straczynski’s not tapped to write any of the September titles, which isn’t surprising, based on the fact that he stepped away from monthly comics to work on the sequel to Superman: Earth One — another question entirely. In any event, the man they brought on to finish up “Grounded,” Roberson, isn’t on the list either. Roberson tweeted last week, “I’ve laid off alcohol & nicotine after Heroes, but I’m treating myself to a cigarette and beer, marking the end of my brief stay in the DCU.” He’s still writing iZombie for Vertigo. Goldman also isn’t on the list, while the book’s regular artist, Eddy Barrows, moves to Nightwing. George Pérez and Jesus Merino relaunch the the book in September as Superman: The Man of Tomorrow.

Two issues of Superboy arrive in August, by Jeff Lemire and a trio of artists. Lemire moves on from the title and will be writing Frankenstein and Animal Man in September, while Lobdell takes over writing Superboy with artist R.B. Silva. Artist Pier Gallo doesn’t appear to be doing anything for DC in September.

Supergirl‘s final creative team before the reboot, Kelly Sue DeConnick and Chriscross, aren’t working on any of the September books, although DeConnick did note that she was approached to pitch to them.

Most recently Superman/Batman has featured the work of Cullen Bunn and Chriscross, neither of whom appears on the big list o’ 52, with Joshua Hale Fialkov’s three-parter appearing in the final issues this summer. Fialkov will be writing I, Vampire in September.

The Bat-titles: Batman Incorporated goes on hiatus after August, but DC has announced that it will be back as a maxi-series next year. Morrison, as noted above, goes to Action Comics. The Bat titles themselves stay fairly consistent — Tony Daniel will continue to write and draw one of them as he moves from Batman to Detective Comics; writer Scott Snyder moves from Detective Comics to work with former Spawn artist Greg Capullo on Batman; and David Finch will continue to write Batman: The Dark Knight (a series he once drew as well) for artist Jay Fabok, who is slated to take over art chores with July’s pre-relaunch-resolicited issue #4. The only creators from those books pre-relaunch who don’t appear on the big list of 52 books are Jock and Francesco Francavilla, although Jock is apparently still doing Batman-related covers, while Francavilla will do “special fill-ins” for Snyder’s other writing project, Swamp Thing. Daniel has another project as well — The Savage Hawkman, with artist Phillip Tan.

Batman & Robin

Tomasi is also listed as the writer for Batman & Robin, a book he was announced as the regular writer for after Morrison left. However, since then the book has actually been written by several folks, including Judd Winick, David Hine and Cornell. Hine’s name doesn’t appear on the relaunch list. Winick and artist Guillem March, who worked together on B&R, will team up on Catwoman in September. Winick is also writing Batwing with Ben Oliver on art.

The last few issues of Batgirl have been by Bryan Q. Miller and Dustin Nguyen, while Pere Pérez is the artist for the last three issues before the relaunch. None of them are listed as creators on the 52 titles in September. In responding to a question on Twitter, Bryan Q. Miller said: “RT Anything new on the horizon for you at DC? @TreyKrimsin Maybe – but nothing in any way immediate.” The new Batgirl creative team is Gail Simone, Ardian Syaf and Vicente Cifuentes, with Barbara Gordon stepping back into the costume.

Red Robin ends in August with an issue that has Tim going after his dad’s killer, Captain Boomerang, since CB is back from the dead. Writer Fabian Niceiza is working on Legion Lost in September. The artist for the last arc, Marcus To, isn’t doing anything in September, while the book’s previous artist, Freddie Williams, is working on Captain Atom with Krul. Red Robin will appear in Teen Titans come September.

The characters from Gotham City Sirens — Catwoman, Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn — seem to have scattered into the wind; Catwoman has her own book in September, while Poison Ivy appears to be in Birds of Prey and Harley Quinn is heading to the Suicide Squad. Creators Peter Calloway and Andres Guinaldo aren’t on any books in September.

Birds of Prey #1

And speaking of Birds of Prey, Simone’s last issue is #13, as the July and August installments are by writer Marc Andreyko and Billy Tucci — neither of whom is working on September’s books. Simone will move on to Batgirl, as noted above, as well as Firestorm, which she’s co-writing with Ethan Van Sciver. Jesus Saiz, who took a break from the book after issue #13, returns to BoP for the relaunch in September.

So what happens to Batman Beyond? Honestly, I’m not sure. It isn’t listed as one of the 52 titles, but CBR’s interview with Adam Beechen last week seemed to indicate the book isn’t going away:

I do know what our next arc is going to be, but I can’t talk about it yet. I’m in the process of plotting it out, and I even know what the next arc after that will be as well as our next “Legends of the Dark Knight” issue. We’re in a pretty good place about what’s ahead of us, and if all goes according to plan, we’re pretty well set for the next bit of time. And we’re going to keep the team intact as long as we can and keep trying to crank out good stuff.

It’s worth noting that there’s also a Superman Beyond #0 in August; it’s listed as a one-shot, but c’mon, a zero issue in August? How can there not be a first issue in its future?

Wonder Woman: The somewhat-controversial “Odyssey” arc, which put Wonder Woman in pants, wraps up in August by Straczynski, Phil Hester, Don Kramer and Wayne Faucher. None of these four is listed as a creator on any of September’s books. Wonder Woman #1 will be by Doctor 13: Architecture & Morality collaborators Brian Azzarello and Cliff Chiang.

Hester was brought onto the book at the same time Roberson came onto Superman, when Straczynski decided to step away from monthly comics. And while neither of them appears to be doing anything in September, Hester said on Twitter that “there are a lot of moving parts here,” and “So much in motion right now, but it is appreciated” when fans asked about his involvement, or lack thereof.

Adventure Comics and Legion of Super-Heroes: Paul Levitz will continue to chronicle the tales of the Legion, while Fabian Nicieza will write a Legion Lost series. Adventure appears to be gone. As for Adventure artist Phil Jimenez, a DC-exclusive creator, he tweeted, “Hey, comic readers — thanks for all the inquiries! I’m not a part of the big DCU relaunch, but I’ve got a few cool tricks up my sleeve!” followed by “Fun stuff! Hopefully announced by SDCC!” And artist Yildiray Cinar is working on the previously mentioned Firestorm book, as Francis Portela takes over Legion of Super-Heroes.

All-Star Western

Jonah Hex: Jimmy Palmiotti and Justin Grey will continue to tell the tales of the ugliest bounty hunter in the west in All-Star Western. They’re joined by artist Moritat.

Green Arrow: J.T. Krul will continue to write Green Arrow, joined by artist Dan Jurgens. Artist Diogenes Neves moves to Demon Knights, written by Cornell.

Secret Six: Simone has confirmed that issue #36 is indeed the last, as the characters Deadshot and King Shark move on to the new Suicide Squad book. Artist J. Calafiore is not listed as working on any of the 52 titles.

Zatanna: According to Paul Dini on his LiveJournal: “A few folks have asked me about the future of the Zatanna book at DC. I don’t know what plans DC has for it after this August, though I can confirm my last issue is the current one, #13.” Issue #13 came out in May. Solicitations for issues #14 and #15 list Dini as the writer, while Beechen is listed as the writer for August’s issue #16. So … I’m not sure what that means.

Responding to a question about the relaunch, Zatanna artist Jamal Igle tweeted, “I wasn’t invited to participate.” The character will appear in Justice League Dark.

Justice Society and Power Girl: I guess this explains why the description for the new Mister Terrific title didn’t reference the Justice Society. Apparently issue #54, by Marc Guggenheim and Jerry Ordway, will be the last. Neither Guggenheim nor Ordway was listed as working on any of the 52 titles, although artist Tom Derenick, who drew the recent issues #51-53, will team with Ivan Brandon on Sgt. Rock and the Men of War.

Power Girl, meanwhile, ends with August’s #27 by Matthew Sturges and Hendry Prasetya, neither of whom is listed as working on any of the 52 titles. The series’ previous writer, Winick, is working on Batwing and Catwoman, as noted above, while artist Sami Basri is working on Voodoo with Ron Marz.

Honestly, I was half-expecting a round of Justice Society titles to be announced at some point — Justice Society, Power Girl, maybe Star Girl or Starman. Maybe they’ll be tapped as mid-season replacements? On the other hand, the description of the Morrison/Morales Action Comics relaunch offered by DC’s The Source blog — “This momentous first issue will set in motion the history of the DC Universe as Superman defends a world that doesn’t trust their first Super Hero” — would appear to preclude the existence of a team full of World War II-era heroes that predates Superman’s generation.

Teen Titans

Teen Titans and Titans: Teen Titans writer J.T. Krul is penning two books come September, Captain Atom and Green Arrow. But I’m not seeing Nicola Scott or Doug Hazlewood on anything, though. That can’t be right; someone at DC get on that, stat.

Titans writer Eric Wallace is working on Mister Terrific; Fabrizio Fiorentino isn’t on anything. Deathstroke gets his own title in September, while Arsenal will join Red Hood and Starfire in Red Hood and the Outlaws.

T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents: I was kind of wondering about the long-term future of this one even before the reboot. Which is too bad, as it’s also one I really enjoyed. Writer Nick Spencer is exclusive to Marvel now, so his name wouldn’t be on any other DC book, while the regular art team of Cafu and BIT will work on Grifter. Recent issues have featured art by Mike Grell and Nick Dragotta, who aren’t listed on any of September’s books.

Xombi: With John Rozum working on the new Static Shock series, I would have assumed that was it for Xombi. But someone asked about it on his blog, and he responded: “… I still can’t comment one way or another. Check back periodically, but in the meantime, please take a few minutes to write a letter to the powers that be at DC about what you think about Xombi and send it to them via snail mail. It has an impact. It’s what led to the current run of Xombi in the first place.”

At the very least, maybe they’d let Rozum and artist Frazer Irving wrap up the series in the new anthology title. Speaking of Irving, he tweeted: “For all interested parties, I do have a post-relaunch DC gig but it’s a secret at the mo :) And Gutsville still needs finishing…” More Gutsville is a plus for sure.

Flash: Flash‘s current run ended in May with issue #12 by Johns and Francis Manapul. The title will return in September sans Johns and with Manapul and Brian Buccellato sharing art and writing duties.

So there you have it, DC’s September books through the filter of their previous line-ups … and I still didn’t hit every single book that’ll come out in September. And based on some of the comments from various creators about additional projects beyond the 52, now I’d just really like to see what DC’s October looks like …

In the meantime, what September books are you going to get? Head over to CBR and take the survey!

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I’m using the relaunch as a jumping off point for monthly books and will purchase titles exclusively by the trade. The exception, however, is Catwoman. I’m a huge Selina fan and I am just glad she has her own book back and isn’t stuck in the horrible Sirens with those hags Ivy and Harley.
I will never purchase a Super-book where Lois and Clark aren’t married.

Kind of surprised by some of the absentee creators. If Marvel is smart, they’ll reel out some juicy exclusives and snap up:
-Jamal Igle
-Frazer Irving
-Dustin Nguyen
-Nicola Scott
-Greg Tocchini

And maybe try throwing some gigs to:
-Marc Andreyko
-Chris Roberson
-Matthew Sturges
-Eric Trautman
(although Marvel already has a surplus of underused great writers, Jeff Parker and Fred Van Lente chief among them).

Also, Guillem March is way too talented an artist to be shuffled around the Batman b-list books. Steal that artist, Marvel!

DC I’m sure has other plans in place for a huge chunk of the characters. Off the top of my head, I remember James Robinson talking about Shade ongoing that DC is surely going to let him do. After all, way too many people loved Starman to just ditch that concept. And obviously with the news that Batman Beyond is going to continue, I’m almost under the impression that we’ll see an “Earth-2″ line come along shortly after the “Earth-1″ line is in place. So Jay, Alan, Kara and the gang are probably on their way sometime in the future!

When you break it down by title I am not quite so sad about the relaunch.

There are a lot of DC titles that just are going nowhere. Justice League of America, Justice Society of America, Superman, Wonder Woman, Titans, and even Red Robin all have been treading water for at least a year. Outsiders much longer than that. JSA All Stars never had any traction to begin with.

Beyond which, DC has too many team books with groups of second or third tier characters. Secret Six and Doom Patrol were very good but there were at least four other team books as well. See above. Bringing in some heavy hitters is not only a good idea, it’s way overdue (Aquaman, Hawkman, Justice League, etc).

I do have many reservations about the relaunch, but it doesn’t make things better to assume the status quo was perfect as it was. The writing and art were for the most part above average, but there were some major problems in the line.

I really think that at some point there will be an Earth 2 again, with JSA and Captain Marvel and the Freedom Fighters, etc. I can see a time when 6 or so of these books are considered financial risks, and we fire up the buzz again with an Earth 2 revival. Except fot the name Mr. Terrific, I don’t see a mention of any character from what used to Earth 2, Earth X or Earth S (and we can chalk up Mr. Terrific to diversity :))

Some of these creators are probably working on some of that, or may be tapped to, if my guess is right…

I went from being interesting 4 books (Batman Inc, Detective [which was about to finish anyway] and Xombi and Thunder Agents) to being interested in 8 (Wonder Woman, Batwoman, Frankenstein, Animal Man, Demon Knights, Swamp Thing, Grifter and Action)

So from one perspective DC just got 100% more interesting to me, for another perspective only 16% of their new books interest me.

Still a little sad that they’re is no Captain Marvel or 4th World series, but oh well.

I think GL, red hood and Firestorm are on my pull list and im still sorting out the last three

Googam son of Goom

June 12, 2011 at 10:17 am

I’ve been drifting away from DC Comics for some time now, but sadly I think this is the end of the line for me. Starting the entire line at #1 just feels like a good time to quit.

I’m not buying a thing from DC. Years of constants missteps, crossovers, tie-ins and gimmicks have just left me with a sour taste in my mouth, and cancelling Secret Six was the last straw.

Nicola Scott is one of the best artists whose work the company publishes on a regular basis at the moment. I’m baffled not to see her name attached to any of the new projects, and assume that means a high-profile book featuring her work is to be announced soon-ish.

They told us to “wait and see, there’s a story to tell” with Ryan Choi’s death too, so forgive me if I’m not pleased with Simone’s likely bullshit press about “this isn’t the end.” Of course its not THE end, because DC is a business. But at the same time, how long should we have to wait to read about certain characters or read from certain creators? Should we expect a second wave of books to roll out in Q1 2012 with Batman Inc or should I wait until issue #13 of Batwing is canceled and DC finally has room for…you guessed it another bat-title. Sorry, the “wait and see” line has been overused by DC far too much for me to give it any credit.

No Robinson. Weird. No Sturges, Trautman, Jerwa, Andreyko? A crime.

And why multiple books for one writer? Who wants to bet that lateness will be an issue?

I was at the DC Emerald City Comicon Panel when someone asked about a Doctor Fate book by Brandon Jerwa and Eric Trautman. Bob Harras said that they had just been talking about that. They did a great job with the JSA Fate story in the annual, so I expected to see that on the list of relaunch/reboot books. No go.

I won’t just say that I won’t buy any of this, but I am not sold just yet.

I’m surprised no one has mentioned yet about Harley Quinn’s drastic extreme makeover…truly one of the greatest characters ever created DID NOT need fixing.

Well, DC lost a long time reader, I will not give a shot, only Superman line and Green Lantern, the rest, good bye DC, if one day you decide to bring back my real characters back, I will return, after all, marvel has big names such as Bendis, Fraction Brubaker, Carey and Aaron and DC… Lobdell.

Sounds like there are a number of artists/writer/creators at DC who have stuff planned/in development that are not part of the September relaunch. For example both Jimenez and Nguyen I stated that they have stuff they are working on. I sure hope Nicola Scott also has something later.

Dan Didio confirmed on facebook that Nicola Scott is working on her next project!

There are a lot of great creators left out of the relaunch and while I realize the 52 books DC has coming is not really the entire line (certainly there will be some other titles coming down the line), I think it is a crime they haven’t involved Dustin Nguyen, Nicola Scott, and Jamal Igle (among others).
I hope they tag those three (and others whose previous DC work is worthy of more projects) for the future books we should see announced in the late fall and winter. There definitely better be some Cass and Stephanie projects in the offing. We also need more Power Girl and Terra.
I imagine there will be a Captain Marvel related project at some point (I can’t believe DC does have something lined up already).

Brian Q MIller has been great so I hope he’s got something lined up. Equally so for Irving, Nygeun and Igle.

Not to mention Marcus To who’s good enough to take on one of the major titles in my opinion, he has a great future a head of him.

I wonder if DC will stick to 52 titles.. will they launch some new ones in regards of the audience demands for any given characters (JSA? Xombi? Shazam ?) or artists( Robinson ? Kolins ?) or will they wait that one failed in terms of sales to then replaced it by another to not exceed the 52 line, which they seems to have at heart …

Then I guess all the characters and artists we’re missing will have rooms in DC PRESENTS, which is also cool..

As I mentioned on my blog, I too was surprised/upset that Powergirl, Stargirl and Starman didn’t have a place in the new books. I thought for sure that Stargirl would make the Titans. I was personally upset that the Atom didn’t get any love in the reboot. I had hoped he would have gotten a book, or at least a place on one of the Leagues.

I think that Powergirl will either be erased or she will revert back to her Earth-2 status and will only appear during cross overs. Her time on the core Earth will be wiped out. I think they are trying to “simplify” the origins and having the pre-crisis, adult, alternate dimension version of Supergirl running around in the same universe would go against the purpose of their supposed non-reboot. This also goes for the Justice Society. We will see the return of the JLA/JSA (Earth1/Earth2) crossovers that so many of us grew up with.

Some of the 52 will become minis due to low sales. No doubt replaced by other series. I have a feeling all of this will be reset at some point due to whatever Multiversity is….

Though the hype is fun, I just don’t understand this as a good strategy for DC. They will gain new readers but will also alienate a portion of their loyal fan base. Also, the effect on retailers if this bombs. 52 #1′s? How do you even order for that?

Frazer Irving, Scott Kolins and Dustin Nyguen (sp?) are all working on post-relaunch projects

Guessing there’s more then 52 titles.

Hmm looks like Niocla Scott is too.

@The prolwer: LOL, fail troll is fail and three of those creators are on DC books post-relaunch.

Is anyone REALLY surprised to see Robinson isn’t part of this relaunch??? I almost feel like DC continued to let him write Justice League so it would continue to spiral ever downward thus making the Johns/Lee Justice League that much more triumphant (until it starts shipping late).

Would have like to see a little more Milestone love. Some Icon on the Justice League or Hardware on Stormwatch with Martian Manhunter, Apollo and Midnighter? I could get behind that. I also see no love for the Red Circle characters, but that’s another rant for another time.

This is so frustrating, as little as I buy books now, we just had a reboot in Infinite Crisis back in 05/06 and Final Crisis two years ago and Blackest Night last year.

Killing Secret Six ends things. That’s a deal-breaker for me. Adios, DC.

omegasaga@aol.com

June 12, 2011 at 8:57 pm

I think it should be noted that recent history ( and knowlege of at least 20 plus yrs of comics) has proven that NO creative team stays on ANY title for more than a year.
It is a highly RARE situation when even the most acclaimed creative team sticks around for more than 12 issues.
These days the average creative team lasts roughly 6 issues IF that.

So the RELAUNCH/REBOOT has to be looked at from a concelptual point. The cosmetic changes on the majority of the titles are just weak changes for the sake of it and look terrible.

There is going to be MASSIVE continuity confusion across the board as a result of this reboot.

From a buisness point of view – it has also been noted that this is going to be an imploding DISASTER because its IMPOSSIBLE for even HALF of these titles to sell as strong as they COULD have if DC released them over a few months.

Releasing 52 titles at once automaticaly will hurt the lower tier titles / B listers. Basically it WONT give new titles a chance to find new readers.

This entire endevor is going to have NEGATIVE ripple effects from both the creative, buisness, and RETAILER end of it.

I am a die hard faithful DC fan of the last 30 yrs. I was excited for the 85 CRISIS.
I loved the ZERO HOUR #0 attempt of a reboot.
I loved INFINITE CRISIS’s ONE YEAR later attempt.
I dispise this out of the blue attempt to start over AGAIN. I hope and pray it blows up in DCs face big time.

omegasaga@aol.com

June 12, 2011 at 9:08 pm

1994s ZERO HOUR #0 issues……… just take a hard look at that single month COMPANY WIDE attempt of a RELAUNCH and compare it to this 2011 RELAUNCH

in 94 you had new titles and tweaks to everything else.
NOT A SINGLE CHANGE or NEW TITLE LASTED A YEAR…… NOT ONE.

2006s ONE YR LATER relaunch fell apart within a year as well. All the cometic changes faded away by 2007.

History has proven what a company wide DC reluanches are.

95% of the current market that support DC are full on comic nerds. NOT casual readers.
and the majority of the market is in the late 20s early 40s age range.
KIDS DO NOT READ COMICS- PERIOD. stop catering to the casual kid reader.

So Red Robin, Secret Six, Booster Gold, and Gotham City Sirens, easily the best titles DC have going right now, are abruptly being cancelled all because Jim Lee and Geoff Johns are wistful for the 1970s DCU

The Stephanie Brown Batgirl series was just starting to hit its stride, too.

Looks like I’ll just be reading Fables from now on, at least until these guys decide the title isn’t “retro” enough and have it cancelled too.

Sorry to see that some of the creators whose work I enjoyed (James Robinson, Jim Calafiore, Jamal Igle, Marcus To) aren’t included in the September event.

I *do* appreciate the author taking the time to write out the full impact to the creative teams pre- and post-relaunch, though. It’s very helpful to see what’s being handed to whom.

I’m not holding out a lot of hope for some of these titles, though…

“Well, DC lost a long time reader, I will not give a shot, only Superman line and Green Lantern, the rest, good bye DC, if one day you decide to bring back my real characters back, I will return, after all, marvel has big names such as Bendis, Fraction Brubaker, Carey and Aaron and DC… Lobdell.”

Maybe you didn’t notice names like Grant Morrison (the biggest writer in the industry), Geoff Johns, Peter Milligan, Scott Snyder, Paul Cornell, Brian Azzarello, Paul Levitz and Gail Simone.

You’re inferred slur of Lobdell would be like me taking at crack at Marvel based on the work of, say, Sean McKeever.

You’re jumping off, which I don’t believe, and you say it’s because of the lack of big names on this ? You’re either being dishonest or confused or both.

If so much of the relaunch is based on the 70′s DC line, why don’t they use some of the talent that are working on the DC Retrovision books? A few books by Levitz, Wein,Wolfman, Conway, Garcia Lopez, Bingham, Purcell, Barreto and Cullins would be more fun than a lot of books with artists I don’t know. A few trustworthy creators from the days where creative books came out on deadline would make this relaunch go down easier!

When I took CBR’s poll about DC’s new titles – I had 15 sure buys, and I think 3 or 4 most likelys. Then I have another 5 combined from other publishers. PLUS the trade wait series. Which is alot for me. I’m usually at 15 MAX total monthlies… a month.

And I have gone for creators I like – Morrison, Snyder, Johns, Simone, Lemire, Cornell and Azzarello. – can’t think of the rest off hand….

But then, if the first or second issues arn’t great. I’ll cut them. With the way comics are today – where you only get about 2 (3 if your lucky!) stories in 12 issues. I don’t have the luxury to give every new titles I buy 6 issues. ( remember when only major stories arcs took 4-6? not every. single. one. I miss those days….)

You know what would of been AMAZING in the relaunch? An Obsidian monthly written by Marc Andreyko!! (he has a great handle on the character) This huge reboot was the perfect time for DC to become a bit more diverse than what it is.

And apart from Archies Kevin keller mini – it could of been the only gay male lead monthly series on the stands!

Michael M Jones

June 13, 2011 at 2:53 am

“n 94 you had new titles and tweaks to everything else.
NOT A SINGLE CHANGE or NEW TITLE LASTED A YEAR…… NOT ONE.”

Well, except Starman, which lasted a good 7 years. 80 issues, plus crossovers, annuals, and a spinoff miniseries.

And the post-Zero Hour Legion of Super-Heroes, which made it ten years before they were rebooted yet again.

Admittedly, most of the other series started after Zero Hour fell by the wayside pretty quickly, but that’s how it goes. They throw series at the wall to see what sticks, and most of the time it doesn’t for very long.

Tom Fitzpatrick

June 13, 2011 at 5:17 am

Could really care less about the relaunch, as long as VERTIGO and XOMBI remains untouched.

XOMBI sings and resonances.

So we still have this weird “quasi-reboot” of here and there retcons.

Tim beat Ra’s w/o having the Teen Titans to call on. Did Superman fight Doomsday and die? Was Hal ever the Spectre? Does Steel even exist? Were Ronnie and the Professor ever Firestorm? If there were no Titans, then how did they stall Superboy Prime? If there’s no SB PRime, then how did that affect the Sinestro Corps?

Do Joey and Rose Wilson exist? What about Grant? If Joey and Rose don’t exist, how did Slade survive Blackest Night? Did Blackest night even happen? Did Final Crisis?

It’s a timey wimey continuity mess that needs a Big Bang II to fix.

Dear sirs,

I am not a DC fan but I am tempted to check out the new Super man comic by Grant Morrison.

@hondobrode: how is Grant Morrison the biggest writer in comics? What measures have you used to calculate and arrive at said conclusion?

Very bizzare to see Scott Lobdell writing so many books! I loved his work on Uncanny X-men and the first four issues of Generation X are still some of my all time favourite reads.

I think for the next year or so DC will lead Marvel in the sales charts, however, this does not detract from the core problem which DC face: their monthly sales are historically half that of Marvel’s. A massive relaunch/reboot/retcon/gimmick will not change that.

Yours sincerely,

von Slaich.

DC is generating a series of “Lost Issues” that will confuse comic historians in years to come.

There’s no BRAVE AND BOLD cited, so I assume there will NEVER be the “next issue” where ADAM STRANGE teams with LOIS LANE.

Someone should start an archive of “announced, blurbed, had a cover, but never happened” lost issues.

CE

@Brandan: Yeah, I agree. “Wait and see” … I’m still waiting for a lot of things DC told me to wait for.

At first, I as insulted by the reboot, then simply dismayed. This hasn’t changed. I’m losing Power Girl and Xombi (and possibly Zatanna to be shuffled into a “Dark” book where her magic is mundane and not an interesting addition). I’m regaining Nightwing and Captain Atom. No word on Shazam, Dr. Fate, Stargirl or Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters, which is sad. And I’m not happy with incorporating WildStorm into DCU (or it appears that way at least.)

I’m not sure these books are “70s wistful” so much as “Silver Age with 90′s BAD-itude!” kind of thing. Reading the description of JLI, Supergirl, and Red Hood … they sound like Iron Age books to me. I wish I understood everyone’s love for Jason Todd.

It’s hard to say DC wasn’t broken; it was. But if they make a clean break with the current universe, then there’s always an Earth-2 etc. to look forward to where our current continuity is happy and adventuring, with the potential for crossovers, no less.

Missing continuity is always going to be an issue if they stick to this; It’s a thorny problem because if they write the stories like they did, there’s no suspense. If they change the stories, they annoy long-time fans (not that anyone would argue that they seem to care too much about that in the face of a reboot) and if they simply let the continuity go … well, I find it HIGHLY UNLIKELY that they will not want to tap into that – which is sweet irony to me. They want fresh faces and new directions and new readers … so inevitably they’ll dredge up the old continuity and rewrite it.

Meh. They should’ve just made their “new 52″ digital exclusives and finished off the normal continuity with a slam-bang crossover that destroys everything and allows our longtime friends their heroic ends rather then letting them scuttle off into DC’s dustbin of history.

My guess is that a lot of these high profile people who weren’t named (Nicola Scott, Matthew Sturges, James Robinson, et al) may have projects in the works, but could not commit to the 3 issues done by August 31st edict. So they will start in October or November. Also, this is just a list of ongoing titles. I doubt that there will be no mini-series coming out of DC for the near future. Neither company has such a wealth of talent that they would just stop using top people like this.

And I understand people being upset that Secret Six is gone, but DC decided to change things up. In the last sales chart, it was at #90 with 19,714 sold. Not exactly threat of cancellation numbers, but also not high enough to not use those characters another way if they felt something better was coming.

Overall, I just say relax. Lets see how it all works out. It could be great, it could crash and burn. We’ll find out in September. As a retailer I am scared to death how to order these, but I am also excited to see more and more people talking about and interested in DC books. If we can get some new readers in who heard about a new Superman #1 we all win. And I am excited that some of these minor books will get more looks simply by being part of a big relaunch. How many people would pick up a Grifter #1 or a Frankenstein #1 in a random month? But being part of a big event will at least give these books a chance to find an audience. Yes, they will be hurt some by all of the titles coming out at once, but they will get a chance to prove themselves and will be out there. I keep saying in my store, “Which one will be the new Starman?” That was a random book spun out of Zero Hour that probably wouldn’t have gotten much notice had it not been tied to that event.

So, enough gnashing of teeth and proclaiming it a failure already. Lets see the books in September and then decide.

I’ve been reading comics for nearly 30 years now, and my first thought when the initial announcements were made was “What a great time to finally make a clean-break and to stop spending money on this stuff.”

That sentiment lasted for about 5 minutes.

As the titles, creative teams, and cover images began to roll out, I found myself legitimately excited for the first time in a long time. I’m definitely going to be giving a lot of these books a try.

So when some laptop-jockey sits here venting his OUTRAGE over these events, i have to roll my eyes. I’ve been at this 30 years, pal. if anyone has a right to “feel cheated,” it’s a me. This is a good, exciting thing that DC is attempting. Give them a chance. And if you don’t want to, you want to swear off DC Comics? Well, don’t let the door hit ya on the way out. We all know you’ll be back anyway. If for no other reason than to complain.

Why is it when Marvel does this crap, you guys cream your shorts, but for some reason DC isn’t allowed to so much as change Batman’s boots? Get a life. You’re worried about some storyline not getting finished up properly in Brave and Bold? News Flash: YOU’RE THE ONLY ONE. That’s why it’s getting cancelled. I’m not trying to sound smug or anything, I’m as big a comic geek as the next guy, but the sheer amount of venom and the ridiculous statements made on blogs and message boards without even giving these creators a chance is just really disheartening. DC needed a goose in the excitement department, and this is it.

Here’s what DC is doing: throwing 52 books at people with the hopes that 50% of it is successful. Then come March/April 2012 (if not earlier) we will start seeing the first wave of cancellations. For which new books will be solicited to fill the void. Namely the books that all the “missing” creators are working on.

I think DC is leapfrogging the production schedule.

Major talent and exclusive creators not listed on the New DCU 52 titles. They’re could be given more time to produce work which will appear later as new series (or miniseries, which would be smarter for DC, as everything is geared towards trades and digital… it’s easier to sell a finite number of digital issues than 100+ issues).

While I am hesitant to judge books by the covers, I do wonder how much of what worked in the post-Crisis DCU will transfer over to the new relaunch. Luthor as a ruthless businessman? Genius. Oracle? A great fix to a broken character. Has DC given enough time to review the mythologies of each character, and figure out what should be used in the latest edition?

It doesn’t matter if your a fan of comics for 30 years or longer or even shorter, when it comes to being a comic fan age doesn’t matter nor does it matter how long you’ve been collecting. I know people that have been at this 20 years and have more issues of certain series than someone that’s been collecting for 40 years so I feel everyone’s opinion on this matters. Also please don’t act like you work for the company and tell long time readers what they can do if they dont like this, I know DC will lose lots of old time fans forever because of this and I’m sure when sales go lower then they were before they wont feel the same way as you do about the “door hitting the old time TRUE fans on the way out”. My position on this entire “relaunch” is it’s stupid and something that doesn’t need to be done. All this could have been fixed in the current day DCU instead of changing up the entire universe, DC didn’t need a relaunch to fix a few of their “mistakes” so many good issues are being canceled because of this stupid reboot. DC is trying to accommodate younger readers while leaving their die hard fans in the dust, but what DC will soon find out is young readers are going to be in for all of about 4-5 issues then move on to something else…its futile attempt because young readers have pretty short attention spans. If DC was looking to get a HUGE hoopla from all this well they sure have it, attention is on them but will it all pay off time will tell. I just pray Marvel doesn’t do the same for their lines, and true Marvel has made changes here and there but nothing this huge at all and notice Marvel has gone back to a few of their old ways because they saw the new stuff they were doing were a fail. I’m getting a few #1′s and sure I will be dropping most if not all the titles right after.

@David R – I don’t really see DC cancelling series that early. I’m sure most will get at least a year. They have been really good to their customers in letting the lower selling books (Rebels, Doom Patrol, Manhunter…etc).

But I do see a second wave happening come December and then again maybe March. 52 titles – plus kiddie and Vertigo titles. Will mean they have their lowest output of titles. So they have to ramp it up – especially when Marvel produce about 90 titles a month.

@Clark- I get your point, and I fired my opinion off yesterday more out of frustration with all the constant negative, and frankly, untrue comments, that are getting posted out there. These guys saying they’re going to stop buying DC? Right. Some will, I’m sure, but not all of them. Not by a long shot. If, say, “Batwing” turns out to be awesome, they’ll pick it up. I swore off Marvel once (for some reason) but when Millar/Hitch signed on to “Ultimates”, I ate my words and shelled out my money. And I’m not trying to act like I work for “the company” here. But if folks want to walk away from DC, by all means, see ya later. Just do everyone else a favor and stay off the DC message boards and blogs. No one will miss the constant complaining and whining. Maybe this was more of a rant against some of the trolls out there. Of course, they all pale in comparison to the angry toy geeks. Those people are monsters. Just kidding (but not really).

And please tell me when one becomes a “TRUE” fan. Because I hear that phrase used a lot. Is it if you’ve been reading since Pre-Crisis (the first one)? Pre-Death of Superman? Is it if you were able to make it through “Armegeddon” and not blow your brains out? What’s the magic formula?

I guess a lot of us, no matter how long we’ve been collecting, are just creatures of inertia: we have every issue of Comic X, so we keep buying Comic X, no matter how God-awful if is. So what would we as comic fans rather pay our good money for: A new series that looks like it could be pretty cool, or another issue of something horrible like “Outsiders” or “Batman/Superman?” And they are horrible. DC needed to clean house, and some of these titles should’ve been axed awhile ago. So replace it with something else, whether we know the final fate of Freight Train or not.

And I wouldn’t dismiss the “young readers” so easily. If I can’t use the argument that I’ve been collecting for X years, then it shouldn’t matter to you how old a collector is either. Their money spends the same as ours. I’ve been to some conventions recently and I was happy to see a lot of young kids there, genuinely excited about comic books. It sure didn’t look like they were going to forget about their favorite characters or titles after “4 or 5 issues.” And DC should worry about accomodating new, young customers, because that’s what all businesses try to do.

hebitudinous1

June 14, 2011 at 2:28 pm

Remember the old saying about the water glass?

If you look at the reboot as being “half-empty”, then you’re looking through the lens of every failure from the past twenty plus years.

If you look at it “half-full”, you’ll see that the comic-book industry isn’t just about hardcore comics fans, but a much larger world of entertainment that spans television, movies, videogames and more. You’ll see that the cost of experimenting with comics is like 1/100th of the cost of trying out a new TV pilot at worst. Every comic becomes a “jumping-on” point for the DCU online game, potentially dwarfing today’s successes like WoW.

In that light, it makes sense for Warner Bros to have more patience with more titles…and to give the LCS more tools to make money. Never again will consumers visit an LCS after watching a movie, only to find that no copies are available.

The similarity between DCnU and Star Wars Galaxies: New Game Enhancements are particularly striking. Read this my fellow nerds and weep.

http://puckett101.tumblr.com/tagged/SWG

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