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Black Panther: The Most Dangerous Man Alive ends in February

Black Panther: The Most Dangerous Man Alive #529

Even as Comic Book Resources reports the cancellation of Ghost Rider, a preview of Marvel’s February solicitations reveals Black Panther: The Most Dangerous Man Alive will end with Issue 529.

Spinning out of the publisher’s “Shadowland” event, the title launched in December 2010 as Black Panther: The Man Without Fear, picking up the issue numbering of the ending Daredevil as T’Challa became the new guardian of Hell’s Kitchen. The series was written by award-winning mystery author David Liss (A Conspiracy of Paper, The Ethical Assassin), joined by such artists as Francesco Francavilla, Shawn Martinbrough and Michael Avon Oeming.

The solicitation text for Issue 529 teases, “Kingpin vs. T’Challa in this status-quo changing series finale,” raising the possibility that Black Panther could relaunch, or revert to a previous title and numbering. However, October sales estimates place the series at about 18,000 copies, below Marvel’s traditional line of death, and less than the just-canceled X-23 and Ghost Rider.

Those titles join a rapidly growing list of recent Marvel cancellations that includes Alpha Flight, Victor Von Doom, Destroyers, Iron Man 2.0 and All-Winners Squad. In addition, PunisherMAX concludes in February with Issue 22.

Update (1:12 p.m. PT): Liss has commented on Twitter, writing, “Sadly the news is true. Our Black Panther run ends in February with #529. But keep reading until the end. It’s going to be a wild ride!”

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ya! marvel needs to clean out all their crap! they should get rid of more x -books as well!

Well not much of a shock. The switch from Daredevil to Black Panther wasn’t that accepted by many readers. The book itself was good with beautiful art but seemed out of place to me. Looks like T’Challa is moving over to the main Avengers book so at least the character is not being shelved.

Marvel…where no diversity can exist.

X-Men (3 titles too many)
Avengers (avengers assemble…really??)
Spider-man (getting bloated again like the 90s)
FF (hopefully they keep it at 2)

And now 0 femlae led series (not counting ghost rider, I’m sure it’s on the chopping block or will revert to blaze)

…what else is there???

Don’t get me wrong, I grew up a marvel zombie but, I just can’t believe that while DC (surprisingly) has actually spread out their line more successfully than I originally thought it would, Marvel…the “gold standard” for comic book publishers…is retreating into very stale territory.

My guess is they have a DC style reboot coming next year…and they’re paving the way slowly. Didn’t DC start to do the same thing around this time before DCnU?

revision…

I just saw the ghost rider news.

that’s gone too.

I wrote this elsewhere with regards to X-23, but it applies here as well:

What I don’t get is when people “blame” Marvel exclusively. If the female base is as large as people are claiming claim, where are they? Because the overall numbers are bad for this book–one of the lowest ongoings from either of the big two and getting a sales bump slightly because of Spider-Man appearing in the title with the FF–and the majority of those on this thread alone lamenting its passing…are MALES. There certainly ARE female fans out there, but at the end of the day Marvel is a BUSINESS that wants to put out what will be most profitable. People bitch about things like this getting canceled by saying, “Well, sure, now they’ll add another Avengers book, that makes sense,” while missing the point the reason there ARE so many Avengers books is because most of them are SELLING.

I really do not understand why people are blaming the company because people aren’t buying a product and not blaming the people who claim there’s a huge fanbase and bitch and moan about diversity and then don’t put their money with their mouths are when the products actually do come out.

Marvel has on many occasions in the past few years put out books with female or minority leads and the sales were not always great from Spider-Girl (and remember, they cared SO little about the May version of the character they saved her from cancellation TWICE, right?). They gave Black Panther (after ANOTHER failed series) Daredevil’s old book and while fun, sales have sucked. War Machine after a canceled 12 issue series was given ANOTHER one, branded as an Iron Man title to bring name recognition and starring a guy from TWO blockbuster movies seen by millions, a .1 issue and THREE tie-ins to their biggest event in Fear Itself and STILL it failed to catch on. They shook things up by removing Dr. Strange from being Sorcerer Supreme, launched a spin off with Dr. Voodoo who was brought from obscurity in the best selling Avengers books by Bendis and it lasted 6 issues only. Ms. Marvel went 50 despite flagging sales, and was saved in sales by crossover tie-ins like Civil War and Secret Invasion that boosted its numbers. Black Widow didn’t even make a year despite the character’s inclusion in multiple Marvel movies. Black Panther (the female one) was given a mini that barely sold. They gave an entire month or so to female character one shots written by female authors and had full page house ads in their regular issues.

They’ve tried. They’ve pushed. But it’s the FANS who need to pony up and pay. Could they do more? Sure. SHOULD they do more? Yes.

But if I were running a business and consistently saw a pattern of putting a particular book out due to “reader demand” and then seeing that book start tanking, I’d be reluctant to put said product out again. I bought X-23, but as sad as I am to see it go, and you can even see the link to the article I posted JUST THIS WEEK that Marjorie Liu herself thanked me for, I understand at the end of the day a company has to go with what makes money. At least they’re putting X-23 on Avengers Academy and giving Liu some more work so they both don’t just go away. But people really need to start assigning blame where it lies–the fans who complain they want something and that there’s a market for something and then don’t show up.

It’s like that show on CBS, Jericho. The show opened strong and then failed in its second half and was canceled at the end of the 1st season. But then so many 1000s of people protested and lobbied CBS and they brought the show back–which was then canceled again midway through the 2nd season because the number of people who protested DIDN’T match the number of viewers ACTUALLY showing up to watch.

All in all how many chances are they going to give to Black Panther? They keep trying at least. He’s had how many volumes or minis in the past 10 years?

@ Charles: Way better than anything I could have said. 100% agreed.

I don’t know if people are outright blaming marvel as much as saying it just really sucks that only the big names can sell from marvel.

I will admit it: I have never demanded diversity in my comics, and I have never bought the books that are currently getting the axe.

But of course, I’ve also stopped buying Avengers and X-Men a long time ago…

In the case of Black Panther, it was the quality of the series that did it in. Go back and read the intelligent, commanding T’Challa of the Priest series and then compare it to the bumbling amateur douche vigilante wannabe of the new series. It’s no wonder readers jumped ship so quickly. This is a mercy cancelation.

Is it just me, or does that cover look like it could just as easily be a cover for an issue of Batman or Detective?

It’s definitely not just you.

Noooooo, I loved this series! I really hope they will bring back the same writer/artists team with a new series.

“Marvel…where no diversity can exist.”

Oh please. If they were so anti-diversity, they wouldn’t keep giving the Black Panther new books to star in despite the fact that no one bought any of the previous ones. This is about the 5th or 6th relaunch he’s gotten in the past decade.

MARVEL HAS HORRIBLE IDEAS AND WRITERS!!! SIMPLY PUT. HERPA DERPA DERP!!

LOOK AT ME I’M BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS AND I WRITE HALF THE CRAP THAT MARVEL SELLS. YAY!!

The Black Panther is a character that anytime you have a good run,Marvel finds a way to sabotage the book.
Christopher Priest’s run was brilliant,until they replaced T’Challa with the laughable “Kasper Cole”.The effect? Cancellation, Reginald Hudlin did another great run until again T’Challa is replaced by the equally laughable Shuri. The effect? Cancellation.I can’t say enough about this latest abomination where T’Challa was replaced by an inept,incompetent,version of himself. Truthfully, to ask if diversity exist in Marvel is an unfair question,can diversity exist in comics is probably a deeper one.

I mean come on, when the wolverine film came out, they switched issue numbers, in the wolverine title, to give new fans a “jumping on point”, which i hate. then they had to add another issue to accommodate cap’s return, which i thought was rather uneventful. killing thor off twice within a few years time. secret invasion, which had more tie-ins that did better than the actual main storyline. it took 2 years to reveal the red hulk’s identity…barf. and now instead of being the loner he is…wolverine is apparently a leader? is he still gonna kill people…cuz that’s what he does. oh, and the punisher was a frankenstein type monster for a bit. i dropped the punisher, wolverine, x-men titles, fantastic four, ghost rider (after they retconned his origin, and btw, the actual creator of ghost rider hasn’t really received any money for his creation, cuz marvel sucks), and i also dropped, hulk, incredible hulk i won’t buy, cuz he supposedly “willed” banner away. DC is doing real, real good with their relaunch, they deliver. oh, and getting marvel titles online is a waste of money, your titles may arrive a week late, or not at all.

i wanna keep complaining. there was the fight between x-23 and the punisher in a hulk comic, which resulted in x-23 hitting frank with a cueball…no claws…a cueball. and of course, frank getting killed by daken…after all he’s been through, frank gets killed by a new character…years of fighting super criminals…ok, i will stop. i need to before i get worked up. i will admit that some marvel stuff is good, but i won’t say.

This series was doomed from the start. They had a fantastic and extremely unique charater so they took away his kingdom, his wealth, his power, his intelligence, his wife and his appeal. They replaced all that with a lame excuse to give up his life, a slum, someone else’s cause, and a female partner when they could’ve used his famous popular cool mutant wife ( see spiderman ), plus they give him a creative team that just does not get “The Black Panther”. He’s no more than a 2nd rate Daredevil, it’s really sad. I agree it was a mercy killing.

I love Marvel Comics. But that company is a mess right now.

So is there any chance now that Daredevil gets his numbering back?? They normally wait for an anniversary issue to pull the ol’ switcheroo, but hopefully we can get DD back where he belongs!

As a non-BP fan, I was annoyed to have the series suddenly become a Black Panther comic. I gave it one issue, and then dropped it like a hot potato. I didn’t like that crap when they did it to wolverine > dark wolverine, and I didn’t like it when they did it here either.

As an avid Black Panther fan, this isn’t a surprise.

Mark my words – all these cancellations are the set-up to relaunch them all again when Marvel pulls a DCnU. Not even Marvel could dump so many different books just to ‘cut costs’.

I think Marvel needs to face the hard truth that decompression and the overall darkness prevailing in its titles across the board ran their course years ago. Decompression doesn’t work in a monthly format anymore, because the stories are not interesting enough. The decompressed format has allowed writers to become lazy (either intentionally or through inadvertence), because it is easier to pad out one story over 4 to 6 issues than it is to come up with new plots every 2 or three months or so. For example, did we really need 3 or 4 issues of drunk Tony with his foul mouthed Troll (or dwarf whatever) friends tooling around in that workshop in the Fear Itself Iron Man issues. The answer is NO. IT WAS BORING. This could have been done in one, yes one, issue without any lose to the story. As a result there was NO real story and NO plot progression. Another example of BORING was Bendis’ past-through-present TV style Avenger’s interviews in “Avengers.” It was infuriating to have to pay hard earned money for this kind of useless junk. It was uninspired and completely uninteresting.

Another related problem is the $3.99 price point. This is directly tied into the decompression problem because we fans have to spend a lot more money to get a complete story. The problem existed at $2.99, but now is worse. Your casual fan is not going to want to shell out $24.00 to buy a six issue story arc on one or more titles on any consistent basis. As a result there is little to no loyalty to a particular title anymore, unless Marvel reboots, renumbers or otherwise revamps the title. While I find Invincible Iron Man, Avengers, and Mighty Thor to be dull reads for the most part I am a completist, and thus suffer along until the better writers are assigned.

In my humble opinion, Marvel needs to significantly curtail decompression, move the likes of Mr. Bendis and Mr. Fraction the core superhero titles, and hire competent writers who can write in the classic superhero style.

I think Marvel needs to face the hard truth that decompression and the overall darkness prevailing in its titles ran their course years ago. Decompression doesn’t work in a monthly format anymore, because the stories are not interesting enough. The decompressed format has allowed writers to become lazy (either intentionally or through inadvertence), because it is easier to pad out one story over 4 to 6 issues than it is to come up with new plots every 2 or 3 months or so. For example, did we really need 3 or 4 issues of drunk Tony and foul mouthed Troll (or dwarf whatever) friends tooling around in that workshop in the Fear Itself Iron Man issues. The answer is NO. Some would say “wow, great characterization. ” I say really, I thought IT WAS BORING. This could have been done in one, yes one, issue without any loss to the story. As a result there was NO real story and NO plot progression. Another example of BORING was Bendis’ past-through-present TV style Avenger’s interviews in “Avengers.” It was infuriating to have to pay hard earned money for this kind of useless junk. Some would say “wow man, cool banter.” I say so what. it was uninspired, completely uninteresting and nothing but filler. We need to remember that comics are NOT TV and should not be written like an episode of TV where you can do the banter all the time depending on the genre.

Another related problem is the $3.99 price point. This is directly tied into the decompression problem because we fans have to spend a lot more money to get a complete story. The problem existed at $2.99, but now is worse. Your casual fan is not going to want to shell out $24.00 to buy a six issue story arc on one or more titles on any consistent basis. As a result there is little to no loyalty to a particular title anymore, unless Marvel reboots, renumbers or otherwise revamps the title. While I find Invincible Iron Man, Avengers, and Mighty Thor to be dull reads for the most part I am a completist, and thus suffer along until the better writers are assigned.

In my humble opinion, Marvel needs to significantly curtail decompression, move the likes of Mr. Bendis and Mr. Fraction off the core superhero titles, and hire competent writers who can write in the classic superhero style.

Sad news for me. I have been thoroughly enjoying this series. Here’s to hoping they keep the creative team together on another title.

American Panther. The funniest real Marvel news story of the year. Or would that be Miles Morales?

I agree with Kevin Madison. I have been enjoying this series. I have always liked T’Challa and I really thought that it was interesting putting him in this environment and seeing his personal quest. I think that David Liss has done an admirable job with the book so far and I think that I shall seek out more stories by him in the future.

I wish that I had known that the book was in trouble. While I do not think that my efforts would have been enough to save it, I certainly would have tried.

Awww and I sooo enjoyed this book. I hope BP is going out with a bang or a whistle.
But if Marvel is cleaning up shop than get rid of that other wolverine book, or Daken, or New Avengers(and put them in the Defenders).
Marvel you really should test the water with limited series before jumping in with an ongoing.

The latest Black Panther comic would have been GREAT, really great, if they’d used a new character instead of raping an old one. Why did they have to use the Black Panther for this series of stories?

Like Ellis said above, Marvel stripped T’Challa of everything that makes him unique and wonderful. Considering that the writer and artist were forced to work with their hands tied behind their backs, they did an admirable job. Especially nice noir art!

But whoever made the decision to do this series with T’Challa, the Black Panther, forced into the role — needs to have their head removed from their rectum.

It’s nice to see Marvel cleaning house, although it’s always a shame when comics get cancelled. That being said, Rucka’s Punisher and Waid’s Daredevil are two of my favorite comics right now. I hope Marvel will look at those books when deciding what new books to replace the cancelled ones with. Good writer + good artist + recognizable version of a well known character = good comic book that people might actually buy. Admittedly, I don’t know how well Daredevil and Punisher are selling right now so I might be undercutting my own arguemnet here if nobody is buying them but me. Both are great books, though.

“bumbling amateur douche vigilante wannabe of the new series”?

We were not reading this comic the same way, clearly.

I have actually read and enjoyed every issue of Liss’ run. I had hoped it would have a nice long run (along the lines of Pak/Van Lente’s Hercules takeover of the Hulk title). Here’s hoping Liss gets a new writing assignment at Marvel.

Wow the comic book titles keep dropping like flys. First monsters get canceled, then Alpha Flight, then Ghost Rider, now Black Panther. It seems marvel is trimming the fat due to the 15% of comic sales dropping. I kinda like the idea of that since I think Marvel has way to many titles out there. I only wished Ghost Rider wasn’t one of them. I read #1-4 and I loved it. It great writer and great artwork too.

>>So is there any chance now that Daredevil gets his numbering back?? They normally wait for an anniversary >>issue to pull the ol’ switcheroo, but hopefully we can get DD back where he belongs!

YES please! I was very disappointed that they went to issue #1 with Daredevil. I can’t be the only one who actually likes a comic that has history and gets up in the high issue numbers. I refuse to believe that the general public is so stupid that they can’t start reading a book because the issue number is too high (and they might get confused). I’m a HUGE Batman fan and can’t wait for Batman & Detective to eventually go back to their correct numbering – you know they will when they hit some huge milestone. Hopefully that will happen with Daredevil as well!

“If the female base is as large as people are claiming claim, where are they?”

They are staying away from lousy comics, just like their male counterparts.

Gentlemen, I implore you to read this. It may save your lives, your hobbies, and the industry:
http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/darkmount1/the-sorry-state-of-the-superhero-comic-book-today/87-75259/

The new word for next year is CANCEL. It’s sad to see so many titles canceled but at the same time there is a reason they didn’t really work out. At the same time I believe that Marvel has too many titles already and they should concentrate more on making the best books possible. I think some of them were started with this in mind from the beginning (i.e. let’s sell some copies of #1 or change daredevil into black panther and cancel them after awhile so we can do it again and make some more money). It says something about the market and everyone should prepare for more in the near future, print is slowly dying and the game has to change.

Also I have had it with all that constant renumbering and restarting. If something does not sell then change the creative team but please don’t publish crap. I say put out more GN and TPBs with sample #1′s for 1$ so people won’t loose interest waiting for another issue to come out (that takes care of delays and changes of art in the middle of the story). Try doing something radical like putting out more books without continuity so creators will be able to give us their greatest stories they can). They could do anything they wanted with those characters because after that someone else would come and do something different (without trying to connect one great story with another if they don’t feel it). Some arcs/runs would be longer and some would take only 6 issues.

I love Tchalla I enjoyed the last series, enjoyed the development of his sister and enjoyed Liss’ run. This is Marvel and the industry’s issue. It takes time to break a series. Period. People have to find out about it gain interest and begin to read. That does not happen over night. I enjoyed Remender’s rendition of Dr Voodoo he got cancelled for the same reasons. Until the industry takes a serious leap and discovers how to break books more organically you arent going to get much diversity of color, gender or sexual orientation in a real way. People are normally going to gravitate to what they are most familiar with the FFs Batmans etc. Until you get great writers writing interesting stories like Johns did with Green Lantern the industry is going to continue to shrink and become more and more homogonized. The industry is going to continue to shrink for alot of reasons but one of them is because the broader segments of the audience dont see anything in it for them. I for one like the Mile Morales move I was skeptical but the first four issues have been riveting and I love where Bendis is going. Liss has done great work but I believe the industry marvel and DC specifiaclly wont get it until the but the best writers they have on other characters not just minorites and women but also other great characters who are constantly not or misused.

Love T’Challa, but really wasn’t interested in this take. But I gave it a chance and, as it continued, it got better and better and I enjoyed it.

But, to be honest, BP has always been a character that the typical comic book fan just won’t support in his own book. The Priest run was a critical darling that had some of the best superhero writing in the industry at the time and some fantastic art, but it still wasn’t enough. I really think if you brought any superstar writer/artist team on, it still wouldn’t make a difference.

And, for the record, it has nothing to do with being able to relate. There are tons of characters out there that we read month in and month out and love that we can’t relate to. No, that’s not the problem.

So is it then …..?

Anyone still want to defiantly argue that Marvel’s not pounding the old PANIC button?

Be you Johnny, Zombie, or just a reasonable fan who reads what they read; the fact is that DC is on top for the first time in years, and the higher ups at Marvel are having a shit fit.

Many more cancellations to come. Mark my words.

Jon Yeager (jyeager11)

November 18, 2011 at 6:11 am

Yet another one bites the dust.

How’s that overnight 33% price hike to $3.99 working out for you, Marvel?

(You know, the one you claimed the internet was making too big a deal of..?)

Charles hit the nail on the head. If it sells, it sells, and Marvel will keep it on the market. If it doesn’t, it doesn’t, and Marvel will cut it’s losses.

The question of diversity is nonsense and whoever poses it needs to take economics 101: supply and demand, not skin color or gender.

@ Jon Yeager,

$3.99 is a reflection of the market, not Marvel’s ‘hmm.. we should raise the price because we can!’. The result is that some books will sell under market conditions ($3.99 in this case) and some won’t. DC tried that approach (‘we draw the bottom line at $2.99′ only to realize ‘guys, this isn’t working as well as we planned.. ).

Agree with Charles J. And from experience, I should know. When I collected, I was one of those fans who whined “Give us something new, give us something different,” and when they did I never took time to buy it.

I’m not happy to say this but most of the books should cost 3.99, it’s a fact and it will happen sooner than later. That said the same digital comic should cost 2.99. And stop cutting number of pages or anything like that because 22pg of story is already a silly amount. Publishers would be better off if they added a few pages 24pg of story + 12pg of ads with 3.99 price.

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I’m sad about Black Panther too. I liked the stripped-back take on him, although not the stand-in-for-Daredevil feel. That said, I’d much rather have X-Men books cancelled before a BP one. Then again, Marvel’s been training readers for years to only accept brand names/sellers. When have books like Herc, Spider-Girl, BP ever gotten the same amount of marketing/press that Marvel spends on Avengers/X-Men/Spidey?

@Londo

Have you read @Living Tribunal’s post above, where he/she also talks about price point and why $3.99 is a bad idea?

The ‘sooner or later’ you talk about has already happened. DC priced their books back down to $2.99 last year, after seeing customers put off by the higher price point. $3.99 is also not an attractive price point to new or current readers. And as we see from Marvel, $3.99 doesn’t necessarily mean you get good quality work or a self-contained story.

@Joseph

Back up your claim that DC’s back-to-$2.99 decision hasn’t worked. Where has anyone from DC or anywhere said that??

Well in regards to the “priest comparison” then explain to me how his books didn’t sell as well? Everyone always want to pretend that the book under priest was the best thing since slice bread. In that book it is really The Journal of Ross featuring the Black Panther

I’ve been a Black Panther (BP) fan for some time and part of my attraction to BP is that he’s always been a difficult character for story telling and it’s fun to see how different writers interpret him. This cancellation; however, doesn’t surprise me. As others have noted, BP assuming Daredevil’s book numbering was a gimmick destined to lose steam after the first issue, and having him placed in Hell’s Kitchen serving as a place holder for Daredevil while he was trying to ‘find’ himself, seemed out of place and out of character for the King of Wakanda.

This cancellation; however, will likely free up my precious excess discretionary dollars to gravitate towards a DC title. With all of its cross-over ‘events’ and story-lines, Marvel is a mess: X-men in Avengers, Avengers in Spider-man, Spider-man in FF, FF in X-men, etc. There’s nothing special or distinctive about any one title because it’s all one big bowl of bland soup.

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