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American Family Association targets Kevin Keller comics at Toys ‘R’ Us [Updated]

The American Family Association, a conservative Christian group whose mission is to “inform, equip, and activate individuals to strengthen the moral foundations of American culture,” has aimed its ire at Archie Comics and Toys “R” Us over retail chain selling comics featuring the same-sex marriage of Kevin Keller.

Through its website OneMillionMoms.com, the nonprofit organization has asked members to send emails to Toys “R” Us “requesting they remove all the same-sex ‘Just Married – Archie’ comic books immediately from their shelves.” According to the group’s website:

Select Toys ‘R’ Us stores are now selling ‘Archie’ comic books with a same-sex wedding displayed on the front cover. The front cover reads “Just Married” with two men marrying and one is wearing a service uniform. This comic book is being sold in select stores across the country. One example is the Queensbury, NY location in the upstate New York area.

Toys ‘R’ Us employees do not actually set up the displays; they leave this up to the vendor, but they should be aware of the merchandise being sold in their stores nonetheless. These comic books are sold at the front checkout counters so they are highly visible to employees, managers, customers and children. Unfortunately, children are now being exposed to same-sex marriage in a toy store. This is the last place a parent would expect to be confronted with questions from their children on topics that are too complicated for them to understand. Issues of this nature are being introduced too early and too soon, which is becoming extremely common and unnecessary.

Toys “R” Us joins a long list of companies that the AFA has targeted through its OneMillionMoms.com and OneMillionDads.com sites, including ABC, Disney, The Clorox Company, 7-Eleven, Home Depot and the FOX network. One Million Moms most recently mounted an unsuccessful campaign to convince JC Penney to fire Ellen DeGeneres as the retail chain’s spokeswoman.

(via LGBT Weekly)

Update: When asked for comment, Archie sent us the following statement from their CEO, Jon Goldwater:

“We stand by Life with Archie #16. As I’ve said before, Riverdale is a safe, welcoming place that does not judge anyone. It’s an idealized version of America that will hopefully become reality someday.

“We’re sorry the American Family Association/OneMillionMoms.com feels so negatively about our product, but they have every right to their opinion, just like we have the right to stand by ours. Kevin Keller will forever be a part of Riverdale, and he will live a happy, long life free of prejudice, hate and narrow-minded people.”

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Hilly Holbrook has trained her spawn well.

and the bigots who do not any things accepting gays as fellow humans come out once again and proving they seem to have their own idea of reality by going after a fictional comic book carrier. going to have to go to toys are us and pick up a copy or two.

Congrats to Archie Comics, for making the hit list of a group I find puerile at best. You haven’t made it as a forward-looking, intelligent media outlet till you’ve offended them or the Catholic League.

Seriously, talk about making the right enemies.

Be sure to email Toys R Us letting them know you support them keeping the books on the shelf.

ThatGuyWhoSaysStuff

February 29, 2012 at 7:07 am

Too complicated to explain. Try “Some men love other men the same way that mommy and daddy love each other.” Boy, that was hard.

Sorry, guys. Archie has the right to publish this stuff, yes, but as the father of four, I know I don’t want my 8 year old exposed to that when I take him to the toy store. Its an aggressive, in-your-face attempt to push “alternate lifestyle” values in a “traditional values” setting. It is a provocative move by the publisher and company and should be objected to.

You can get the Toys R Us CEO’s email address off the Million Mom website to send him a letter of support, if you’re so inclined. (I did.)

“Issues of this nature are being introduced too early and too soon, which is becoming extremely common and unnecessary.”

If people don’t want to discuss the whole spectrum of sexuality with their children then why do they even have children to begin with? Using this as a thinly-veiled excuse to justify hate-mongering is as disgusting as it is pathetic.

Fred,

You are an idiot. I am sure you have no problem with the toy guns being sold at Toys R Us.

Such a well-reasoned response.

Fred, you’re obviously free to parent how you choose, but in this day and age is being gay really an alternate life style?

Sorry Fred, but that’s bullshit. This is one product in part of one toy store in select locations of those stores. They’re not trying to put them in every aisle of every store nationwide. You’re going to have to explain your values to your child in an age appropriate someday anyway. Most kids would see that cover and wonder if Archie married Betty or Veronica anyway and think it’s nice their two male friends at the bottom came to the wedding.

In your face my ass, or something like that.

So, what does a parent do if the kid asks about it if a friend of theirs has same-sex parents, write a letter to the school to make them move?

Smart Internet Man

February 29, 2012 at 7:31 am

Go Fred! standing up for his GOD GIVEN AMERICAN RIGHT TO BE A FUCKING CAVEMAN!

Fred,

I don’t think that you are an idiot or a bad father or anything of any sort. I do wish to respond to your comment,

“I know I don’t want my 8 year old exposed to that when I take him to the toy store. Its an aggressive, in-your-face attempt to push “alternate lifestyle” values in a “traditional values” setting.”

Do you know how many toys are sold in the toy store that promote violence? They sell toys with fake blood on them. They sell toys depicting characters who, if you look at the big picture (ie. comics, media), hurt people. I love batman, but batman cripples people in comic books. You say that you do not want your 8 year old exposed to that when you take him to a toy store, but you will expose him to toys that promote violence? I just don’t see the connection. When Power Rangers or Wrestling figures came out, kids were practicing moves on each other, accidentally hurting each other. Transformers and G.I. Joe come with guns and lasers.

Here is a crazy idea. If you don’t like what a store sells, don’t shop there. I see nothing offensive about seeing this issue of Archie in a store–it isn’t like the cover depicts a man with the handle of a bull-whip up his arse. Maybe that is a Variant cover? It should be.

@Fred

What are these “traditional values” you are espousing? I, as a father, am teaching my son progressive values. You know, the values that we, as a society that is progressing instead of stagnating, have figured out are fair and equal and conducive to real freedom. America, as a concept, should remain “unfinished.” Meaning that we need to constantly be working to make it better. To hide behind the trope of “traditional values” is tantamount to saying that because the following existed before and were accepted as the social norm, they are to be exalted:

Slavery
Racism
Sexism
Homophobia
Genocide of indigenous peoples
Religious intolerance
Child labor

All of the above were previously embraced as “traditional values” in the US. When founded, only and ONLY white male land owners were allowed to vote and have a say in the society in which they lived. Was that a good tradition?

Anyone who has a problem with this comic is an idiot. Plain and simple.

My uncle is gay and he grew up in the most hetero household EVEr.

Let me be clear, here: YOU CAN’T CATCH GAY.

Take your intolerance and go fuck yourself.

I have to say, Archie Comics’ response to this drivel was word for word perfect, bravo to them.

To the topic at hand, I take issue with the following remark in particular:

“This is the last place a parent would expect to be confronted with questions from their children on topics that are too complicated for them to understand. ”

Maybe it’s too complicated a concept for some narrow-minded adults, but my daughter seems to have a pretty solid grasp of the concept: Typically, you see boys date girls, but often times boys date boys and girls date girls. There, sexuality explained for those of you who have trouble with the concept.

“Its an aggressive, in-your-face attempt to push “alternate lifestyle” values in a “traditional values” setting.”

The problem here is that in one breath you claim Archie and Toys’R'Us are pushing “alternative” lifestyle while in the same sentence insinuating that Toys’R'Us is a “traditional values” setting. This is the failing of YOUR beliefs, not Toys’R'Us. Just because a corporation has a large consumer base does not mean they should not be open to the reality that is all lifestyles. Presumably, your lifestyle (This is based on very little, so bear with me) is that of a white American male with an at least vaguely Christian religious upbringing. By your social ruler, a traditional East Asian wedding would be “alternative,” should that be hidden from our children because it makes for a situation where you have to explain the differences?

Should parks ban homosexuals kissing? Should two men not be allowed to hold hands walking through the mall because it means you have to explain it to your kid?

In short, just because you feel awkward talking about something you clearly have your own issue with doesn’t mean it’s something that children should be shielded from. Like it or not, homosexuality is a common and accepted part of American society and culture in modern times. If you’re not keen on having to explain it to your kids, maybe the burden of shielding from “alternative lifestyles” falls on you rather than everyone else.

If you don’t want your eight year old exposed to that, then you should probably just start homeschooling and disconnect the cable, because that’s about the only way to go about it. Welcome to the 21st century.

It’s about as alternative as interacial marriage

“Its an aggressive, in-your-face attempt to push “alternate lifestyle” values in a ‘traditional values’ setting.”

Toys “R” Us, with its Mafia Wars II video games, WWE action figures and Twilight Saga Barbies, qualifies as a “traditional values setting”?

I have a three-year old, and I will gladly explain homosexuality whenever she gets to that point in her life, whether it be in 10 years or two. I don’t find it difficult; the only ones who do have difficulty themselves accepting this reality. Of all the things to be afraid to discuss with children, love should not be one of the one. As others have pointed out, death and violence, on the other hand, make me much more uncomfortable.

As an addendum, I think the real issue parents have here with regards to “explaining” things is that awkward moment when you have to explain to your kid that, despite the fact it doesn’t seem weird to an eight year old, this stuff is wrong because a 2,000 year old book says so. Nobody likes having to be the guy explaining why being a bigot is okay.

Or it’s an attempt to let kids who are struggling with their sexuality see that it’s not something they should be ashamed of as well as a book that might teach some other kids not to be bigoted assholes. Maybe if we taught kids about differences in sexuality at a young age I wouldnt hear so many of high school students calling each other faggot or using gay as if it were an insult. There is no “gay agenda” and no one who supports gay rights actually believes they can turn you gay. No one is pushing an “alternative lifestyle” on your kids. If your values mean that my brother-in-law and his boyfriend can’t get married and share the same quality of life that my wife and I have then they have no value at all. Homosexuality is found in over 450 different species, yet homophobia in only one.

Honestly…..do people really read Archie Comics? I would look at this as a pathetic attempt to cash in on a hot-button issue in an attempt to bolster sales. I’ve never seen my daughter look at an Archie comic. She’s three, and she goes straight to Captain America, Batgirl, or Star Wars. This is such a NON-ISSUE.

Besides, can we leave kids out of this? Don’t they have it hard enough just being kids without having a bunch of liberals and conservatives using them as leverage for a political issue?

Argh.

By the way, I unfortunately have experience explaining “non-traditional” activities to children (albeit on a different topic) . As a man with three earrings, I have to constantly face the “only girls where earrings” statement from kids, especially at my daughter’s daycare. I just calmly tell them that boys can too; argument settled. The same can go for homosexuality. It’s only a big deal if the parents make it out to be.

@lyle- Many people don’t really consider being gay a political issue though

I love their biggest fear is to be faced by questions from their kids. God forbid you interact with your child. In hindsight, considering the bile and hate these people hold dear, it’s probably best they don’t talk to their children.

Boy, if you want to feel like you just walked onto an alien planet, one where no progress has been made, go to the OneMillionMoms site. I consider people like them to be so ignorant, but reading stuff on that site makes me realize that I’m kind of ignorant to the fact that people actually still feel that way. Too bad their focus is on something that is, well, going to happen anyways, rather than making a positive effect on the world. I’m all for voicing your opinion, but its just sad to see such organization behind such a pathetic worldview. Well, off to Toys R Us!

@Fred
Take note: My mom and step-dad tried passing their homophobic bigotry on to me. It didn’t work.

It must take an immense amount of hatred to perceive two adults legally affirming their love as “aggressive and in-your-face”.

OneMillionMoms.com has a dedicated complaint area, so I sent them this message:

“Hello. Although it isn’t technically a program or commercial, I did recently come across a very disturbing website that I thought you should know about. It pushes dangerous viewpoints on children and families that goes against every family value I can think of. Most especially they are trying to teach our children that hatred and intolerance are okay. Very disturbing. You can find their site at http://www.onemillionmoms.com

Please use whatever powers you possess to stop these monsters from spreading their anti-Christ message to our children.”

I hope they can stop them!

Just how stupid can one organisation be? Well I think we get an answer from that just by reading the groups passages included in the article.

Maybe people should email Toys R Us to congratulate them, what goes around comes around after all.

- J.

I think Toys R’ Us has a unique position in that it sees on a daily basis how the definition of family has changed over the years. It’s no longer 1-man 1-women 2.4-kids. You’ve got single parents, merged families, adopted kids, foster kids, interracial marriage, multigenerational households, and obviously LGBT familes. One can only hope they don’t cave to the pressure like Lowe’s did over whole American Muslim debacle. I’ve sent an email in support of Toys R’ Us.

Or as Louis CK expressed “Two guys are in LOVE but they can’t get married because YOU don’t want to talk to your ugly child for five f*****n’ minutes?” Not directly related, but the sentiment is the same.

@gzapata-Politicians and activist groups do.
It’s a personal choice/born that way, whatever. It’s the way someone is, and a bunch of people use it as leverage or a lightning rod to rally people to or against some cause or another. How about just treating people with respect? How’s that for ground-breaking news?

Wait….treating people fair and equal wouldn’t make the news, so that will never happen. Hold up some signs and anger some group or another. That’s the ticket!

“Its an aggressive, in-your-face attempt to push ‘alternate lifestyle’ values in a ‘traditional values’ setting.”

This part of Fred’s rant caught my eye too. This isn’t “in-your-face” at all. This Archie book is rather subtle, really. They don’t even show the men holding hands on the cover. If you want to see “in-your-face” Archie content, look at some of Betty and Veronica covers and pin-up art. They’re not too different from the cartoons and pin-ups you’d see in Humorama or other men’s magazines.

I (only half-jokingly) predict that the AFA will declare victory when this issue is cycled off the racks in favor of next month’s even though they’ll have nothing to do with it. After all, credit-claiming keeps the donations rolling in from their gullible supporters.

While the obvious pandering to the gay community continues in the Archie, what the so-called “Million Moms” is doing is worse. Why? You have these special interest groups, Left and Right alike, presume to dictate what the public should and should not do/read/whatever with threats of boycotts. I am sick and tired of these leaches causing trouble, when our a) education system is in the crapper, b) the economy is in the crapper, and c) American and allied soldiers are being shot at over the accidental burning of Korans. If I could take GLAAD, Million Moms, Tea Party, OWS and every other stupid group that wants to cause trouble for those who believe in moderation and self-determination within American society, and stick ‘em all into the Phantom Zone, or Hell, I’d do it in the heart beat. A pox on them all.

Wait, there are black characters in Archie now? How dare they push integration on my children!!!

The only thing that worries me about gay marriage is that someday, when they’re all getting hitched, my mom will call me and say, “Well, look at that. Now even the gay folks are beating you to it. When are YOU ever going to find someone?”

I support gay rights, but I have to comfort the conservative parents and remind them that they shouldn’t worry about Toys R’ Us. You can never find anything there anyway.

Hmm. I think I could make millions making puppet or animated videos about topics parents feel difficult explaining to their kids. “Series I. Gay Marriage of fictional characters and why it makes mommy and daddy uncomfortable. Series II. Why Dad and Mom have to lock the door sometimes. Series III. Why your brother Tyrone isn’t the same race as you. Series IV. So your starting to play with yourself. Series V. Why Mom and Dad would rather let you watch the video than their job parenting you.” Now, If I could just get Morgan Freeman to do the voice over…

Fred is gone. I guess he discovered one of his kids is gay and his bigger fish to fry.

Basically anybody who uses the “think of the children!” line is a dolt. First of all any child old enough to go and buy a book by themselves is certainly mature enough to grasp the concept of same sex marriage. Any child younger than that – wow – just don’t BUY IT for them.

How hard is that? How incompetent/lazy are parents these days?

Ok, I know it’s not really about the kids. Parents projecting their own fears onto their kids is not uncommon. “Little timmy doesn’t like to fly, so we don’t take the plane” and all that sort of nonsense. “little timmy can’t understand gay marriage” – is a lot easier than owning up to the fact that you as a supposed adult are too stupid to comprehend the concept of people getting married just because they love each other.

Sheesh.

@lyle- I’m not gonna lie, I don’t read archie and probably won’t even read this one story buttttt how is this not being respectful of people? Are you saying the respectful choice of action is to never show it or to show it or to condemn it? I don’t get it, did you read it or are you going off the cover like myself. If you’ve read it can you tell me what’s provactive about it because I don’t see it in the cover.

It seems like this book is a lightning rod because they show them as a normal couple that are getting married. It’s provocative for being unprovactive then I guess

@DSWyne
It’s worse because the message promoted by Million Moms is one of bigotry and hatred while the message in Archie is one of acceptance and hope. Not really that hard to see the difference.

Guys, we’ve got to find a way to talk about this sort of thing without ganging up on people. I’m not saying I agree with Fred, but I do have a problem with calling people names like “idiot” and “caveman” for having a dissenting opinion. These comments only serve to thicken the line between two sides of an argument. Attacking an individual’s integrety and (in some cases) religious beliefs is a great way to ensure they absolutely will not, nor will they ever change their viewpoint.

Having said that, I believe that Toys “R” Us has every right to sell any product they deem fit to put on the shelves of their stores (or in this case allow their vendors to do the same). Like any product, no one is obligated to purchase anything they do not want to purchase. If you disagree with the stance the magazine takes, you don’t have to purchase the magazine.

Going a step further, I believe censoring a comic like this only serves to diminish our freedom of speech. There should be diversity in comics and in any media. We live in a world that is represented by a vast differentiation of individuals.

As a Christian, I think it’s past time Christians stopped pushing this agenda so adamantly. All it’s doing is putting Chrisians in a negative light. Instead of trying to place convictions on people (which, by the way, is not the job or the role ANY Christian is responsible for), why don’t we do the thing that Christ said was just as important as loving God: loving each other. I don’t feel the love coming from Christians in regard to homosexuals. It’s not our job to call them names, make them feel like inhumane individuals, or take rights away from them. Our job is to love, and we are failing.

“Pandering”? Is it “pandering” to have anyone besides straight white people in a comic book?

Sheesh. There isn’t enough palm for my face.

Well, it’s not too surprising that the bigots are coming out of the woodwork over this. I think it’s great that Archie comics is doing this wedding issue. I hope Toys R Us tells ‘One Million Moms’ to go fly a kite. JC Penney had the good sense to do just that a couple of weeks ago when the ‘Moms’ objected to their hiring Ellen Degeneres as spokesperson. I loved one of Ellen’s responses: “One Million Moms….their facebook page only has about 40,000 subscribers. Yeah, I get it, they’re rounding up to the nearest million!”

What really amazes me the most is that groups like this seem to think they have some right to expect that the whole world should reflect their way of thinking.

Has anyone wondered about the 100,000 (approx) gay kids these million mothers must be parenting?

How many dozen moms are actually in one million moms? These are vile pigs who are creating an epidemic of teen suicides in their home town in Minnesota. Check out the Rolling Stone article. If these vile bigots had anything of joy in their lives they wouldn’t be spending so many hours of their day looking for ways to attack people for who they are.

Nice job, Archie.

I’m really very impressed that almost all of the comments on this were negative towards the One Million Moms (actually more like 20 women with computers) initiative.

I don’t think Fred is listening anymore but if so, I grew up with absolutely NO homosexuals around me and only ridiculous stereotypes in movies and TV. I made fun of gay people in high school and tried to be straight but finally accepted later in life that I can’t change who I am. So now I’m in my 40s and I’ve lived an entire life of feeling inadequate, hated, judged, with far too many years of being manic depressive and suicidal. I wonder if that would be the case if my parents and the people around me had not drilled into my head that homosexuality is disgusting and sinful from early childhood. Now, when I read any topic that has anything to do with homosexuals, the hatred and bile being spewed by “people of faith” saddens me so much. So thanks to the posters on this topic.

This whole thing reeks of being a desperate publicity stunt on the part of Archie comics. A gay interracial marriage that could only be made more perfectly political if one were a Christian and one a Muslim.

I do enjoy the predictable arguments about tolerance between two sides that couldn’t be more intolerant that inevitably arise from these things though.

Things would go a lot smoother if people just got on with quietly living their lives instead of living life as a political statement.

If you are pushing an agenda, you should expect some push back. Spare me your false indignation.

@DSWayne
Would you consider a depiction of a man and a woman getting married “pandering” to straight people? Rethink that one.

@Ger
Word.

@Fred

Welcome to the 21st Century and our enlightened ways!

Now, you may be puzzled or disturbed by a few things that may at first seem at odds to the pre-Enlightenment era you hail from.

Here’s a few…

We arrived at the conclusion that men and women have an equal footing in the world, which may sometime mean that women will actually use this freedom to do MORE than stay at home being the veritable ‘baby-making’ machine you were accustomed to in your era.

That may mean that she’ll want to do more than wash your unmentionables while stuffing a turkey for your dinner.

Also, she now has a legal recourse to any ‘physical disciple’ that your era allowed for – in short, and know this is likely to be difficult for you, but wives are no longer considered ‘chattel’ to their husbands.

Let’s see…what else…

Oh, we arrived at the conclusion some time ago that even though us white-folk did a fantastic job of conquering and corralling most of the planet, that really everyone should be entitled to the same inalienable rights.

Now, I’m sure that eventually you’ll come around to this one, but until then really this just means the following: we don’t have slaves anymore, and we don’t endorse or condone any form of desegregation of races anymore. We are all equal.

If this one doesn’t sit well with you rest assured that many of us took some time coming around to this one, but then one day fate, and a horrible man with a bad mustache intervened with an extreme version of intolerance that showed the rest of us what unchecked bigotry coupled with aggression could lead to. We spent many years, and lost many lives stopping this fellows (and his cohort’s) machinations – and many races, colors and creeds fought to repel this intolerant and despotic fellow.

At the end of this conflict, we began to see that it would be more than ironic, and definitely hypocritical to continue alienating and treating anyone as second-class citizens anymore, so we worked towards are present, more enlightened stance on viewing each other.

Now, things in the 21st century aren’t perfect, we admit.

We still have one last bit of intolerance to overcome – and that’s regarding those that, whether because of genetics or personal choice…well, how to phrase this…they like – really like – their own gender. They may even love each other enough to want to do what ‘straight folk’ do and marry each other.

At first we dubbed this lot ‘Queer Folk’ – amongst other monickers – we criticized them for their permissive and casual sex with each other, but then someone smart pointed out that are plenty of us ‘straight folk’ that engage in the same behavior and that argument made sense.

The more progressive we became as a society, well the more of these ‘Queer Folk’ began to feel comfortable enough to ‘come out’ – and when they did, the rest of us began to see that they were just like the rest of us, except for where their affections lay. We began to see that they were human too, just as we had with those we use to fear, like Africans and Jews and Chinese. From there we began to see that we couldn’t be a fair society unless we showed equality to ALL – even these ‘Queer Folk’ – and afforded them the same privileges and rights the rest of us enjoyed.

The last road on that journey is allowing these folk to marry each other – just like we do. It isn’t over, but based on our history as a planet, I think it’s just around the corner.

Now, if any of this seems just too much for you to bear or cope with, or if you just plain begin to feel like you don’t fit in to our 21st Century society, take some solace in this: We enjoy such freedom in the 21st Century that while you may no longer have the right to impose your bigoted, antiquated, hypocritical intolerant ideas onto the rest of society, you can still enjoy the freedom of having and holding onto your bigoted, antiquated, hypocritical intolerant ideas, and expressing them whenever you like, even letting them determine who you vote for.

So at least take comfort in knowing that our more-elitist-liberal-cheese-eating-permissive-surrender-monkey society give you the freedom that your rabid-frothing-at-the-mouth-bigotry would never allow to the rest of us.

I love this. Those wackadoodles at One million Moms need to go out and get their own lives. I am personally headed out to find every copy I can find of that comic, so I can buy them and pass them out free to people…

@Fluffy6079 You put it the right way. I didn’t respond to Fred because I think a few commenters have done it so eloquently. But attacking this guy as harshly as some have will only harden his views and serve the cynical rhetoric of the anti-gay side. I say this as a gay man, argue with logic. You don’t need to reciprocate the hurt feelings on behalf of us.

Fred is so right. I’m sick of the whole “in-your-face attempt to push ‘alternate lifestyle’ values” too.

Take black Barbie, for example. It’s a blatant attempt on the part of Mattel & Toys R Us to try and imply that a black person’s lifestyle is the same as mine. Why should I have to explain to my child why some people have black skin and others have white skin when she sees a black Barbie doll? That is TOTALLY inappropriate. And geez, if I actually treat my child like she can understand such basic concepts as “everyone is different” from the day she’s born, who knows how that might scar her for life.

I can almost forgive black people for putting it in my face, because they at least can’t hide being black. But gay people can at least hide that they’re gay. Oh sure, they claim that leads to depression and suicide, but at least I don’t have to be exposed to something different than me. Stop acting like you have the right to be featured getting married on the cover of a comic book like Superman and Spider-Man did, Kevin Keller! You’re gay, so that makes it different, and anything different being treated as normal means your pushing it in my face!

Superman and Spider-Man are MARRIED?!?!?!?!

The retcons make so much more sense now!

@ Fer Goodnough

Good for you – love the post.

More economical than my tome too.

“I can almost forgive black people for putting it in my face, because they at least can’t hide being black. But gay people can at least hide that they’re gay.”

Bonus points if you lifted most of this from a Claremont era issue of Uncanny X-Men, because it reads like that (Or it would if you used the terms “catspaw” or “sum totality of my telepathy”).

Here’s my problem with the Archie book: Why does there have to be a Black guy involved in the Gay rights statement Archie Comics wants to make with this when Archie comics has never prominently featured any Black heterosexual character(S)?????

…and I mean more than one token Black person thrown in every now and again. This is a similar issue I have with Disney’s a Princess and a frog. It’s clear Disney has a history of making blatantly racist, blatantly offensive caricatures of Black people in their animated work in the past and the Princess and the Frog was supposed to be an entertaining film that threw off the shackles of the Disney’s history in that area, but they decided it was important to integrate an interracial relationship in to the story as well. How often to they do that with White characters that they are very familiar with creating? ZERO. The only time it’s interesting to do a story with a Black person involved is if there’s some other social involved…That’s croc of BS.

Three things:

1) Stuff like this makes me wonder what things would be like if we had the Internet in the much more turbulent 60s and 70s, when Archie introduced Chuck Clayton, a black kid, into a predominantly caucasian, suburban community like Riverdale.

2) I have the issue in question. It’s about as chaste as a Jane Austen novel. I am regularly forced by my daughter to watch MUCH more suggestive things in sit-coms airing on Disney Channel and Nickelodeon. Which brings me to my final thought:

3) Why Toys R Us? These magazines are also carried in every Target, Wal-Mart, & Barnes & Noble in the country. Why did the AFA target TRU instead of one of the other stores, or the networks airing Victorious or Good Luck Charlie?

Why? Because TRU is an easier target than those others. The AFA would never get the support within their own community because Target & Wal-Mart are too foundational to the AFA’s middle-class, middle-American theology. TRU has been on the rocks financially for the last several years, and probably sells few enough Archie Comics that they could be bullied into pulling their orders. This is nothing but a stunt to put the AFA at the top of the headlines again, when it’s been losing relevancy in the past decade.

@RS And yet you’re making a political statement.

I have no interest in Kevin Keller. I think he is a cynical charcter created by Archie, just so they can say “hey look, a gay guy! in an archie comic!! come buy and read!!!!”. But that said, I am glad Archie are standing by the issue and basically telling these whiny protestors to fuck off. Good for Archie.

Being gay is an “alternative” lifestyle, does that mean if I want I can be gay, may-aug, than the rest of the year I can be straight? Wait till my wife hears the news.

Fred, do you keep your kids locked in a windowless room? How else can you hope not to have this gayness shoved down your sons throats(pun inteneded)? Way to keep hatred alive, buddy.

Fred, if that’s a problem for you, don’t take your kid to the toy store. Simple. Sorry you think the publishers/Toys R Us have to appease you – I for one WANT that so-called “alternative lifestyle” pushed on people, so they stop being ignorant hate-mongers like you are.

“This is the last place a parent would expect to be confronted with questions from their children on topics that are too complicated for them to understand. Issues of this nature are being introduced too early and too soon, which is becoming extremely common and unnecessary.”

This is the part that really sums up what I see in so many of the complaints about queer representation in media and the arts: the real problem is not confusing or scaring the young child — the true problem is upsetting or discomforting the adult… who then claims that *the child* is being harmed in some way.

Kids are pretty much confused, or at least *can be* confused, about *everything* — until they observe it for a while and, hopefully, have adults with whom they can talk about it. They’re young, and, yes, they can and do have certain special concerns and vulnerabilities that most adults don’t have, but they’re not idiots.

Matthew

Jonathan,

““I can almost forgive black people for putting it in my face, because they at least can’t hide being black. But gay people can at least hide that they’re gay.”

Bonus points if you lifted most of this from a Claremont era issue of Uncanny X-Men, because it reads like that (Or it would if you used the terms “catspaw” or “sum totality of my telepathy”).”

And they’d have to tell someone that they love them “with all my heart”!!!

Matthew

“Kids are pretty much confused, or at least *can be* confused, about *everything* — until they observe it for a while and, hopefully, have adults with whom they can talk about it.”

You know what’s hard to explain to children? Religion. I let my wife handle it because, as someone basically raised agnostic, I haven’t the slightest clue how to explain religious concepts to my step-daughter in a way that’s concise and non-pushy anti-organized religion.

Yet the same people who decry the need for explanation of homosexuality to their kids have no qualms explaining a complex concept as religion. How the hell does this compute to people? Try explaining homosexuality and Christianity to the same child on a given day and tell me which one the child has a harder time figuring out.

How can saying “anyone can love anyone else” be harder to communicate than trying to explain the concept of an omnipotent/omniscient/omnipresent yet intangible being and the ins and outs of showing him/her/it due respect?

Re Butch

I agree with you. Its like lets make a character as many minorities as possible to cover all the bases.

however…

Re: The “Its an aggressive, in-your-face attempt to push ‘alternate lifestyle’ values in a ‘traditional values’ setting.” commets.
What????? Where I’m???? What year is it?? Why is this a issue? Its one book vs millions of “traditional values”
So girlfriend/boyfriend swapping is traditional? Hate to breaking to you but this marriage seems to be the more normal stable one.

I dislike how people such as “Fred” bring their children into these discussions. I feel sorry for his children. They will have to overcome being raised by this person.

What is cynical about saying “it’s about time we told stories about gay people,” Bull?

People like you always oppose social progress in the media because you’re the first to say “it’s manufactured!” It’s all manufactured. They just decided to manufacture some stories that speak to even more people.

Oh look, One Million Morons is at it again. They need to GET A LIFE.

Jonathan said: “Yet the same people who decry the need for explanation of homosexuality to their kids have no qualms explaining a complex concept as religion. How the hell does this compute to people? Try explaining homosexuality and Christianity to the same child on a given day and tell me which one the child has a harder time figuring out.

How can saying “anyone can love anyone else” be harder to communicate than trying to explain the concept of an omnipotent/omniscient/omnipresent yet intangible being and the ins and outs of showing him/her/it due respect?”

Quoted for truth! The concept of a homosexual relationship is far more sensible than an invisible sky daddy who watches everyone every moment of every day, threatens to burn us for all eternity if we displease him/her, but hey, he still loves us! And the whole part about him sacrificing himself to himself to somehow “save” everyone, even the billions yet to be born, for some imagined sin in a farce of brutality that he knew all along would happen? Just watch a poor child’s brain slowly melt as they try to decipher that one!

Sad fact is, most of these ultra-conservative people– i.e. narrow-minded bigots– were raised to believe a book of fairy tales written by some peasants in the iron age is the Inarguable Truth of a supreme deity– even the parts that contradict each other. These “values” have been ingrained into most of them since birth, and and it is damn hard to shake off the yoke of bigotry when you’ve worn it all your life. Unfortunately, these people are perpetuating this in teching the same “values” to their own children. Living in the bowels of the bible belt, I see this on a daily basis, and it is truly disheartening. Kudos to Archie’s CEO for his succinct, well-worded response to all this.

I applaud Archie Comics for producing comics that are relevant in today’s society. These organizations that are all about “protecting family values” are the same organizations that go against anti-bullying campaigns and are the same individuals who are tripped up that there are so many school shootings.

Comic books give us a reflection of what’s happening in our culture. NEWS FLASH: GAY people exist and they should have the right to marry. If heterosexuals have a right to divorce (50% of all American marriages end in divorce), why deny that to others.

@ Ned Tugent—These Million Morons should focus on dsomething more postive.

Onemillionmoms do us a favor and jog on!

Angry Militant Straight White Guy

February 29, 2012 at 11:53 am

Why is everyone gang-banging on poor Fred here? The guy doesn’t want his kids exposed to gay lifestyles and that’s his choice. Besides, he disappeared hours ago.

As for everyone bringing up the violence in a toy store, that’s a completely different issue. If you’re going to bash the guy, do it based on homosexuality, not on violence. Those WWE figures are smashing each others heads in, not cuddling.

As a father myself, I already had to explain the gay thing when Glee debuted. Thanks a lot Sue Sylvester

Angry Militant Straight White Guy

February 29, 2012 at 11:58 am

And what’s up with all the religion bashing? Sure organized church is screwed up, but why do atheists insist on looking down on people who have faith? You’re essentially doing the same thing that you’re condemning Fred for by being just as narrow minded. It’s a different kind of hate but it’s still hate nonetheless.

Big ups to Jon Goldwater for not-so-subtly raising a finger to these hateful nitwits.

“…topics that are too complicated for them to understand. Issues of this nature are being introduced too early and too soon”

I would think God, sin, creation, salvation, and redemption would also be among those topics. But no, Christian children are shuttled to church every week starting from birth. Guess they’re not too young to understand some concepts, after all.

“Sad fact is, most of these ultra-conservative people– i.e. narrow-minded bigots– were raised to believe a book of fairy tales written by some peasants in the iron age is the Inarguable Truth of a supreme deity– even the parts that contradict each other”

This sounds like the way a loving and open-minded person would speak. Seriously. Look at how many foul-mouthed responses there are, and at how much name-calling is going on. Those who call for tolerance out one side of their mouth, and then berate someone’s way of thinking out the other, rarely convince anyone of their point.

the probelm with kevin Keller in general is that he is only a fad. people want to make kevin to be the next big thing but he is not in twenty years from now Just like North Star I doubt he will be remebered for anything more then being the gay character that sold few comics. As for the wedding ssue it does not belong on the shelf of toys ar us and for the record I am not all that keen on guns either if you going to sell a comic book at toys are us it should be something that does not have to be explained pro or con Donanld Duck never wears pants but he never screws mickey either . he also was not in the habit of using a gun for anything other then hunting which 98 persent the gun owners do unless it is for novilty perposes wich let face is all Keven keller is the fact that it is in the archie married series is proof the title it self is a fad . think abou it if Kevin was not a gay character would people still be talking about him the answer to that is no, how ever archie is not gay but people still talk about him look at all the other characters that have come alone in the last three years that are not talked about Kevin will have brief exciting honey moon then people will get bored of him and leave. Archie will still have lost all the respect they used to have simply by chasing contreversy think about it did they have to kill Miss Grundy No. That was A cheap publicity grab and like any grab for senstionalizom you can only go so far before you run out of ideas. If archie want to make money they should try to make people laugh . Then people would by them again .

“And what’s up with all the religion bashing? Sure organized church is screwed up, but why do atheists insist on looking down on people who have faith?”

Mind you, as one of the people bringing up religion, I wasn’t bashing religion as a concept. My wife is at least relatively religious and I’ve got some very religious friends. It’s not for me, but I tend to avoid passing judgment on those who think differently than me.

The problem I have, in regards to this issue, is how anyone can complain about the prospect of having to explain the concept of homosexuality to a child compared to their obvious willingness to explain the concept of religion, a significantly more complex issue.

Sexuality is a simple biological compulsion. It can literally be boiled down to “anyone can love anyone” and you’re done. Religion, however, is at worst a man made construct and at best a construct of a being which is beyond our true understanding. In either case, explaining the concept to a child without leaving out crucial details (Conflicting faiths and religious concepts, different interpretations of holy texts, etc). Sure, you could boil it down to “God is an all powerful being that sees everything you do and loves you no matter what,” but that’s not even 1% of the story.

All I’m saying, really, is that a faith based organization claiming that having to explain sexuality to a young child while at the same time indoctrinating said child in a religion which they can’t possibly understand is completely hypocritical, regardless of one’s opinion on religion as a concept.

Angry Militant Straight White Guy

February 29, 2012 at 12:41 pm

Well if One Million Moms is a faith based organization I understand your point. I don’t know enough about them to know if they’re religious or not, but it certainly stands to reason.

I was referring more to Drunken Fist who seems to think using hateful speech is a great way of fighting hate. Assuming people of faith are right wing bigots must be okay, as long as I don’t assume all atheists are self-important assholes.

I don’t care what anyone says, there seems to be a concerted effort to push acceptance of gay marriage in American culture and media. What consenting adults choose to do with each other in the bedroom is their business – God (the God of the Bible – Father,Son, Holy Spirit) is your judge. But when certain political groups attempt to justify their sexual preference by lobbying to change the traditional definition of God ordained marriage (1 man and 1 woman) this is where I, along with many others, take issue.

All the comments I’ve read so far, supposedly posted by very “tolerant and open-minded” individuals, seem to scoff at anyone who dares to stand up for traditional ideas regarding sex, family, and relationships . These traditional ideas have been set forth by God via His Word – yes there is a God! There’s no need for me to argue for His existence because everybody will definitely find out for themselves one day – trust me, you will!

Americans, especially those in the LBGT community, pride themselves on being so tolerant and accepting of the choices of others. If that’s true, then accept that everybody won’t view gay marriage as being something legitimate and don’t judge people as “haters” or “bigots” when they don’t agree with you on this issue. Remember, non acceptance doesn’t equal hate. And please don’t come back at me trying to equate gay rights to the civil rights struggles of the 1950′s and 1960′s – It is not the same thing! The civil rights movement was born out of the fact that all men and women, regardless of gender and skin color were created equal in the image of God. God never condemned a person for being white, black, male or female – but he does condemn sexual immorality (I know somebody won’t like that one but “Oh well…”).

Opening the door for gay marriage also opens the door for the potential legitimizing of other types of relationships (e.g. polygamy, poly-amorous relationships, bestiality, pedophilia, etc.). FYI – there
are pedophile groups that are actively lobbying to lower the age of consent….don’t believe me then
Google it. But I digress….back to the subject.

Tell me, can two men pro-create? Can two women pro-create? If the entire world population became gay, the human population would drastically plummet to the point of extinction. You heterosexuals who are so on board with gay marriage – would you honestly be thrilled if your son came home and introduced you to his male fiancee? I’m sure you’d love your child regardless, but if you’re truly honest with yourself, you’d prefer that he’d brought home someone of the opposite sex…the same goes for your daughters.

I realize that I’ve definitely stepped on a lot of toes and I fully expect my comments to get lambasted and purposely taken out of context. But this is how I feel regarding the matter so I’m ok with it. Just as the scriptures have said, anyone who stands for godly principles will be persecuted. So let the hate, and all the reviling criticism begin.

This is in response to Fred and those responding to Fred:

If I am the parent in this situation and I am a Christian and want to teach my children Christian values, I say the following: “Yes they are getting married, but the Bible tells us that it is a sin for two men or two women to be in a relationship. So they are doing something wrong. Have you ever done something wrong? I have too. Everyone has. But God will forgive us if we ask him to.”

Hopefully everyone can see it is possible to be a Christian without hating anyone who believes differently. Just becuase I believe something is wrong that you don’t think is wrong, it doesn’t mean I hate you for it and it doesn’t make me close minded. It just means we have different beliefs.

You gotta love the “strong, upstanding citizens”, who use their children as an excuse to hate another segment of society.

“Well if One Million Moms is a faith based organization I understand your point. I don’t know enough about them to know if they’re religious or not, but it certainly stands to reason.”

Honestly, I was just assuming they were a faith based organization based on their agenda (It may seem like stereotyping, but generally it’s safe to say that any organization whining about homosexuals probably has ties to a religion). For what it’s worth, upon looking them up, I’ve confirmed it, their intent is to “promote conservative Christian values.”

That said, I agree on the vitriol. Going around and blasting people just for being religious is about the worst way possible of getting the point across.

“But when certain political groups attempt to justify their sexual preference by lobbying to change the traditional definition of God ordained marriage (1 man and 1 woman) this is where I, along with many others, take issue.”

Bad news for you chap: marriage existed loooooong before the Judeo-Christian God. While the concept of Judeo-Christian worship dates back on as far as around 600 BC, marriage as a social concept dates back to times before written history (As far back as the around 2,000 prior to the origins of Judaism. Christians don’t get to define what marriage is since marriage came before Christians.

“It just means we have different beliefs.”

Different beliefs is all well and good, it’s when one group starts telling another group they can’t practice their beliefs out in the open. That’s what is at issue here.

mlg73, there’s no context to remove your statements from. You’re a hateful dipshit. It’s not an insult, it’s a statement of fact. The gates of Heaven might be closed to me, but at least they won’t be letting your stupid ass into Riverdale.

Ayo to God: “Come at me, bro!”

Seriously, the Man Upstairs doesn’t care for you bigots and your proclaimations about what he supposedly considers sinful. You speak for God? Tell me another one.

To Chris Jones:

Well, Riverdale might be closed to me but the gates of Heaven don’t have to be closed to you. Christ died to open those gates for all of us. All we have to do is repent (i.e. change your mind regarding the way you live life) and ask God to forgive you. Simple as that!

If Heaven is full of people like you then give me a one way ticket to Hades, pal.

“… lobbying to change the traditional definition of God ordained marriage (1 man and 1 woman) …”

Apparently nobody bothered to read that definition to Abraham, or David, or Esau, or Gideon, or … (and let’s not even mention the concubines).

Yes, mention the concubines!

Fred:

So, the violent video games at Toys R Us fit into your idea of “traditional values”, but two people loving one another is no good? Your children are gonna turn out GREAT.

Dear mlg73:

Your arguments are flawed on so many levels that I’d need to launch a website to address them all. Since I don’t have time for that, I’ll pick a few at random:

“Americans, especially those in the LBGT community, pride themselves on being so tolerant and accepting of the choices of others. If that’s true, then accept that everybody won’t view gay marriage as being something legitimate and don’t judge people as “haters” or “bigots” when they don’t agree with you on this issue.”

Why should a person agree with being treated as though who they are is somehow wrong? If you don’t like people being intolerant of you, stop being intolerant of them. If gay people being allowed to get married somehow takes away from the sanctity of your marriage, then your marriage is pretty weak.

“And please don’t come back at me trying to equate gay rights to the civil rights struggles of the 1950′s and 1960′s – It is not the same thing! The civil rights movement was born out of the fact that all men and women, regardless of gender and skin color were created equal in the image of God.”

So if this God of yours created us all, and he created a whole bunch of us with homosexual preferences, then by your logic…. well, I don’t need to say it.

“Opening the door for gay marriage also opens the door for the potential legitimizing of other types of relationships (e.g. polygamy, poly-amorous relationships, bestiality, pedophilia, etc.).”

I hardly think two CONSENTING adults engaging in a loving relationship can be equated with pedophilia or bestiality, ie forcing someone into a relationship they are incapable of consenting to. And as for polygamy, as long as all the parties are consenting, what’s so bad about that? And don’t come back with a Bible verse, please, that’s YOUR law to live by, not mine.

“Tell me, can two men pro-create? Can two women pro-create?’

My aunt and uncle are unable to have children. Does that make their marriage a sin?

“If the entire world population became gay…”

One does not ‘become’ gay. One either is or is not gay. Want proof? Go ahead and be gay. Seriously. Find a partner and become a homosexual and like it, and you’ll prove your point.

“You heterosexuals who are so on board with gay marriage – would you honestly be thrilled if your son came home and introduced you to his male fiancee?”

As long as he doesn’t bring home a Bible-thumping lemming like you, he can bring home a carrot and call it his fiancee.

I understand that this is “how you feel”, but how you feel is wrong. It’s OK. It’s not your fault you were brainwashed by a church that has fallen so far from the beautiful ideals at its foundation that it’s unrecognizable. If your Heaven exists, I sincerely hope that your lord takes you by the hand, sits you down and explains that LOVE is what matters, not the package that it comes in.

I’m a gay, kinda agnostic, kinda recovering Catholic that has friends and family that are on both sides of the “gay” marriage debate in America. I agree with Fluffy6079, that the name-calling and demonizing of the opposition is not a great or useful tactic in the long run. It feels great to vent your anger and contempt but it just solidifies opposition.

Even though I appreciate having people fight for my right to marry, it makes me uncomfortable that they argue against hate and close-mindedness with what sounds an awful lot like hatred and close-mindedness toward the religious and the conservative. And it is usually combined with arguments like “wake up to the 21st Century, this is what the rest of society thinks so shut up with your different (hateful) opinion.” The fact is that despite what polls may indicate it is far from definitive what a majority of Americans really feel on any topic; there’s definitely bias of where/how polling of political issues are conducted. Every time I visit my rural hometown, I see a 21st Century America that does still look like the world that the American Family Association seeks to conserve, where the majority that I know there DO still think that US policies/laws should be based on a prohibitive interpretation of the Bible. My hometown is not routinely surveyed (just like many other podunk towns) and don’t have much of an internet presence. However, they are real people, too: Just because they now have less of a presence in modern media like Glee, Modern Family, etc. doesn’t mean they’ve gone extinct. Shouting at the them to go away doesn’t mean they do; at best, they go into hiding and nurse their prejudices with a self-righteous sense of oppression. Shouting to them that they are morons for not adopting the social norms of the more fashionable/educated/sophisticated cities is just dismissed as the infantile rantings of a sinner corrupted by glamorous vices and hopping to infect all of the world with their debased nihilism (but probably not in so many big words). Telling a person how they feel and what they think is wrong just because you and your cohort say so isn’t going to change many minds, whether it’s a million moms or a liberal-biased media.

As a gay guy, I honestly have no problem with folks who badmouth the people who are faith-oriented, traditional, conservative, whatever they want to call themselves. They feel content to treat me like toxic waste, so why should I be too concerned with what they get called? And who in their right mind, with even the slightest ounce of logic, thinks that people choose to be guy?

I really wish religion weren’t such a big part of this gay marriage discussion. Recognition of a union or marriage by the state should not be conflated with approval or endorsement of that marriage by any religious organization. I have a hard time understanding how government recognition of a consensual union between two adults harms anyone else’s personal religious virtue or married life. In my opinion, the high divorce rate in America does more damage to the institution of marriage than same-sex marriage ever could (I say this as someone whose parents have four divorces and six marriages between them).

If two men or women want to marry so they can have visitation rights, make medical decisions for each other, share insurance plans, gain property rights, get tax benefits, receive spousal benefits for Social Security/Medicare/SSDI, etc., that seems fair enough. If people love each other and want to make that kind of commitment, so be it. I bet their odds of succeeding are on par with any heterosexual couple these days.

Everyone here is an idiot, except me.

Woop, that above line should be “…thinks that people choose to be gay?”

And these are probably the same “one Million” moms that lets their kids have tvs in their bedroom and lets them watch shows like glee, Gossip Girl, etc.

“Too complicated”?? What’s so complicated about saying “Two people that love each other”. Other family’s confuse me. My daughter just turned 11 and she fully understands about same sex and oposite sex marriages and it isn’t something she wastes time on. She’s got too many 11 year old things to think about in her own life to want to govern others. Go Archie!! Keep up the good work!! :D

What a perfect place to plug my upcoming book, Embarrassed to Be a Christian, Especially in This Ass-Backward Country. Jesus died for me, but it’d be damn nice if He’d pull a steady job out of His Ass for me.

Oh, well…gotta protect the little mouth-breathing, poop-eating halfwits.

Aversion to homosexuality is fear of not preserving your lineage. Most wild animals take great pains to pass on their genetics to the future generations. Human animals are rational enough to figure out that boys and boys can’t make babies.

One million moms want one million grand-kids. Book closed.

ok, so here’s how you can adapt the MOMS boilerplate email to suit your own purposes: just cut and past the following and send:

“As a non-confrontational mother and a critic of members of OneMillionMoms.com, I am extremely delighted to learn that select Toys ‘R’ Us stores are now selling ‘Archie’ comic books with a same-sex wedding displayed on the front cover. I am referring to the ones where the front cover reads “Just Married” with two men marrying, one wearing a service uniform.

I am aware that Toys ‘R’ Us employees do not actually set up the displays; they leave this up to the vendor. Your company should be aware of the merchandise being sold in your stores nonetheless. These comic books are displayed at the front checkout counters so they are highly visible to employees, managers, customers and children.

Thankfully this affords the opportunity for our children to now be exposed to same-sex marriage in your toy store. Although not the first place a parent would expect to be confronted with questions from their children on topics that deserve serious discussion for them to understand it is certainly a welcome start. The benefits of issues of this nature being introduced early and soon should become common and are necessary.

A trip to the toy store turns into a mature discussion on sexual orientation and is most welcome. Toys ‘R’ Us is clearly answering the call to be more responsible in the products they carry.

Please remove all One Million Moms immediately from your shelves. My decision to shop in your stores depends on it.

I look forward to hearing from you regarding this issue.”

@Jess – I don’t dispute that one fear that feed into an aversion of homosexuality is a desire to preserve your own genetics but I don’t think it is the first and foremost argument in the OneMillionMom’s mind (although it is probably still very much a subconscious influence regardless). Their concerns seem to be centered less on population genetics than on how their political voice and fundamentalist values are having a decreasing impact on the social norms of America. The main places OneMillionMoms are targeting their efforts, as another poster pointed out, are the companies that are failing; another sign that they are becoming increasingly marginalized.

Gay marriage, by itself, doesn’t prevent procreation and the extinction of the human species. One million moms that want four million grandkids is more likely to cause that. However, even if we were a species that was endangered, the “book” is hardly “closed.” While boys and boys can’t yet make babies, there is adoption and there are egg donors, some of whom may be close genetic relatives of the boy that isn’t the actual genetic father. There have been advances in genetic engineering that allow infertile couples to reproduce and maybe one day, we’ll be able to recombine the genetic contents of a same sex couple, just like when Superman and Lex Luthor gave the world Kon-El/Superboy. Then, we gay folks can have a more direct hand in pushing the world’s 7 billion population to a nice round 10 billion.

I’ll tell you something I’d like to do to the people who unleashed those accusations–I want to tar and feather them and run them out of the country on a slip n’ slide leading into a pool full of pickle juice. Groups like AFA/Onemillionmoms.com are the biggest wimps in the country and deserve to be humiliated for their backwards-thinking crusades.

“Take your intolerance and go fuck yourself.”

How delightfully ironic.

My father explained gay marriage to me when I was 44.

It was about to become legal in Massachusetts, and while I am a strong supporter of equal rights, I was having a bit of trouble wrapping my head around the concept—after all, we were the first.

My very Catholic, very religious father was blissfully married to my mother for 44 years, and he couldn’t imagine denying that sort of bliss to anyone, gay or straight. “It would be like being given a beautiful gift—and being told you could never open it,” he said. And that’s when I got it.

I miss you, Dad!

JEBUS IS A MIGHT PROUD O’ ALL THESE CHARCH MOMS WAGIN’ WAR ON THE FUNNYBOOKS!!

Hey guys, give Fred and mlg73 a break and start posting hateful, intolerant comments at me because of my religious beliefs! By the way, my name is Kevin, and, yes, I’m a Christian! That means its okay for YOU to be intolerant of MY beliefs.

I feel like someone should speak up for the actual content of the comic here. I was suspicious about the Life With Archie series, but a few good reviews made me curious, so I took out the first graphic novel (collected collection in paperback) and I was pleasantly surprised.

Life with Archie is extremely well written, with an intricate plot, and some twists and turns. It even has an alternate universe sci fi aspect to it! It is too well done to be a mere gimmick. It has absolutely no curse words or sexual innuendo whatsoever (except for occasional kissing heterosexual mostly married couples. It is refreshing in its own way. I wish it had been around when I was 13 and still reading Archie Digests, but wanting more plot and characterization out of the stories.

Its worth noting that the series has a huge cast of characters and Kevin and his spouse do not have major roles in any of the plots right now. It’s also worth noting that Kevin and his spouse did not kiss at their wedding, but then again, I’m not sure if all the hetero couples in the comic have kissed “on screen,” so even if it was an omission, it wasn’t a glaring one.

Basically, this is a great title for tweens and up, and is especially welcome as an American comic written with girls in mind and decent behavior on display.

Brutal. On the day that is supposed to bring attention to the negative affects of bullying, Fred becomes a victim of the kind of thing people are trying to stop. The guy shares his opinion and has a bunch of pinheads jump on him. Weak.

So when the last State finally gives in and legalizes gay marriage, homosexuals everywhere can finally experience what heterosexuals have known for a bazillion years:

Being married sucks…

If a comic book in a toy store is the first time a child knows gay people exist, the child has far bigger problems than that. I would say I applaud TRU for having the balls to sell it, but they really don’t control, at all, which comics the vendor puts in (my wife works for TRU), so they honestly probably didn’t even know about it until now.

Tolerance of intolerance. That always works. Ha! Bullies with a persecution complex. IMMA BEEN OPPRESSED BECAUSE I WANT OPPRESS! Cry me a river, bigots.

@Tariq “We arrived at the conclusion that men and women have an equal footing in the world, which may sometime mean that women will actually use this freedom to do MORE than stay at home being the veritable ‘baby-making’ machine you were accustomed to in your era.

That may mean that she’ll want to do more than wash your unmentionables while stuffing a turkey for your dinner.

Also, she now has a legal recourse to any ‘physical disciple’ that your era allowed for – in short, and know this is likely to be difficult for you, but wives are no longer considered ‘chattel’ to their husbands.”

GODDAMMIT!!!!

When did that travesty occur?

On a more serious note… I wish people would stop going on about “tolerance” because then we get the oh so genius (although actually quite accurate) “You’re being intolerant yourself” argument.

First off, the word “tolerance” implies something wrong with the person you’re being tolerant of. If I work with someone who gets on my nerves but I need to put up with them to do my job, I’m “tolerating” that person. If my next door neighbor is black, I don’t “tolerate” him because there’s nothing different about him. He just has a different skin color than I do. Declaring yourself tolerant of homosexuals (or any group) still holds an implication of a prejudice.

Secondly, no matter what word you use – “tolerant” “accepting” whatever, it still doesn’t work because there are some things you should definitely NOT tolerate. I have no desire to be tolerant of all. I’m not tolerant of a child molester. I’m not tolerant of a murderer. So if you’re not tolerant of the bigot, there’s nothing wrong with that. You don’t need to be tolerant of everyone.

Marriage as originally defined and conceived is between man and woman so pardon folks who believe it should stay that way for defending that. It’s funny that people tell people who are against gay marriage that they’re not being tolerant yet the folks who are pro gay marriage give nothing but a big STFU to anyone who wants to stop it. Who’s really being intolerant here, exactly?

That said, if gays were really that serious about gay marriage, they don’t need the country to validate it. If they really understood the concept of marriage, it’s a bond between two people that take a vow and pledge their life to one another, with a witness and a pastor to marry them. The state wouldn’t recognize it but so what? You’re married.

So what this really is about is money. If the state/country recognizes gay marriage, then the couple gets the same various marriage perks and benefits that man and woman/traditional marriages enjoy. So go get married by all means. Go. I’m not really against it if the state approves it eventually (I’m pro-choice despite being against it because I feel everyone has the right to choose). But just don’t pretend it’s all about acceptance when you know it’s about something else entirely.

I say get over it…..Love is love be it hetero sexual or homosexual…who really cares anymore…Life is to short deny anyone what ever fleeting chance for happiness he or she may find in it…I applaud Archie for there stance…People need to look past that it’s 2 men marrying but 2 loving human beings sharing a fulfilling life together…As a heterosexual father of 2 girls as well as an educator in the area any chance to have information out there about all lifestyle chooses should not only be shown and shared instead of protested against..it amazes me these groups fight for christian values but forget the love one another and acceptances portion of the teaching and its even sadder that kids today are more tolerant and accepting then there supposedly grown up parents…Keep the stories rolling Archie love in any form is never a bad thing to be shown in this world!

@alekesam: Marriage was not originally about a wonderful, loving connection between a man and a woman. Marriage early on could often be between one man and multiple women, or a man who was using his woman as property rather than as the person he loved. Marriage may have involved one man and one woman at times, but that is not the only thing it was about. Marriage was about property, that property being the wife.
And as for the whole, tired “who’s really being intolerant here, exactly?” argument, the answer is the people you are defending. They are the ones who are being intolerant. The outcry against them is simply disgust and frustration at having to deal with the intolerance they exhibit. Just because someone is not willing to put up with your intolerance doesn’t mean you somehow have a higher moral standpoint or are being victimized. It’s like a criminal who kidnaps someone and then cries to the police about how he’s being deprived of his freedom. If people who are homophobic, racist, anti-semitic, etc are so concerned about their own freedoms, you’d think they’d have a care for the freedoms of others as well…but sadly, it just doesn’t seem to work that way.

The American Family Association is the same group who praised the deaths from Hurricane Katrina as god ‘wiping out rampant sin’ in New Orleans.

They’re an utterly despicable organization.

I now need to go buy that issue. Thanks to these bigots it’s going to be worth a fortune!

alekesam,

I ask that you consider the situation of a child of a gay couple. When they go to school the majority of their peers will have parents who have the right to be married. The child of gay parents will, if lucky, have parents that are allowed to be in a Civil Union. How do you think it feels for the child to know their parents’ relationship is considered basically separate but equal by society? The USA long ago realized that “separate but equal” is basically telling those in the minority that they are not good enough to be in the majority — that they are inferior in some way, otherwise why bother having separation — and this has a devastating effect on the children in the minority. They grow up feeling they are second class citizens.

That’s why having the same exact name recognized by the state — “marriage” — is important.

@alekesam – You’re playing the “hypocrite/inconsistent” card so I’m going to throw it right back at you. You said this – “(I’m pro-choice despite being against it because I feel everyone has the right to choose)”

The whole “I’m pro-choice even though I don’t think abortion is right” is an argument that makes no sense and that I can’t at all understand. Let’s break it down. The argument over abortion comes down to this one question – “what is it?” What is it inside the woman that is being aborted? Pro-life people believe it is a baby and a human life and to remove it is murder. Pro-choice people believe it is not a human life and to remove it is a surgical procedure. So which one is it? You say that you’re “against it” so I’m assuming that you believe it’s a human life. So then why should abortion be legal? By that definition it’s murder, which shouldn’t be legal under any circumstances. Or do you think it’s just a mass of cells that would grow to be human someday and terminating it is no different than masturbating in the shower because those sperm also have the potential to be human life? If that’s the case then why are you against it? Why is it any different than any other surgical procedure?

So why am I bringing up yet another hot button topic? What’s the point? The same point in my previous post. Let go of the tolerant BS and take a stand for right and wrong. Don’t whine that people don’t accept your bigotry, they don’t have to accept it anymore than you having to accept the fact that somebody likes men and you don’t.

And besides… once gay marriage is legal, the gays will realize that the joke is on them when gay divorce is still illegal. Of course I said that to a gay friend of mine and another friend of his responded that gay divorce should also be legalized so there could be a gay Divorce court on TV and I’ve decided that that’s the biggest argument to use in favor of gay marriage because I would watch that show in a heartbeat. Support gay marriage so that we can watch Gay Divorce Court. It’s your civic duty.

a man getting married to another man? wow – comics are really far-fetched these days.

And yet they don’t complain that the main character -and the driving force of Archie comics for the last 70 years- is that he is dating two or more girls and any one time, and unable to commit to a monogamous relationship.

*at any one time

When will people learn, homosexuals are people too. Granted, I have no idea how to explain this to kids, but come on, it should not be a big deal. It should be embraced, remember the civil rights movement people?

On top of that, there is no harm to traditional values, heck I think the loonies pushing traditional values need to map it out for themselves. I believe in the family unit, America and democracy; Not blind mobs.

But, they shouldn’t push so hard either, let these people learn for themselves. The toy store is for toys, not a war front.

“This is the last place a parent would expect to be confronted with questions from their children on topics that are too complicated for them to understand.”
Too complicated for the children to understand, or too complicated for the parent to understand? Here’s an idea: If you are so terrified of having to explain the real world to your kids, don’t have children.

I love how all the upstanding free minded thinkers on here bash other people for having an opinion.

Do I care about htis comic? No!

Do I think that people should really hold up a mirror to themselves when they bash others as bigots? Maybe.

Do I think we should stop having petty arguments about one persons opinion and realize the only opinion that matters to each of us is our own? Most definately.

My 2 cents take em, leave em, bash em.

Two things…

I agree with the vast majority of posts here. LBGT marriage is a serious issue and I would like to see it solved in my lifetime. That doesn’t mean I have to stoop to name calling or insults to prove my point or beat my chest. Those that are trying to deny the right of marriage to others based on their sexual preference are just gonna shut us out if we can not communicate respectfully.

As for anyone who doesn’t believe that this issue is similar to civil rights, you might want to consider a few things. Does marriage give people perks in society? Do married people get special consideration for home loans? What about individuals trying to visit a loved one in the hospital while their dying in the ER? If married people are allowed advantages that unmarried people can not have then I would say there is a RIGHTS issue involved.

If two human beings want to get married that is perfectly fine. It will not hurt traditional marriage. It will not harm anyone physically. Yes it is difficult to explain to kids. Last time i checked, most of life is difficult to explain.

It’s not a matter of opinion, John.

Opinions up for debate are things like: “chocolate-chip ice cream is great.”

You’re talking about your (or other people’s) personal ick superceding REAL HUMAN BEINGS’ RIGHT TO PEACEFUL, HAPPY LIFE.

It can be someone’s opinion that gay marriage is “wrong,” but the real issue is fuck those people. We as a people disregard the tantrums of bigots and hate-mongers who would impose their wills on other people’s naturally-given rights to autonomy and the pursuit of happiness.

I’m not going to soften ever: FUCK THOSE PEOPLE.

@ Ayo
You don’t seem very peaceful or happy. I agree that we shouldn’t oppress others chance at such a life. I just think we should try to live that way to entice others to accept such a path.

“I must be the change I wish to see”

“No justice, no peace.”

I know you had to have heard that before.

“Some people fall in love with boys, and some people fall in love with girls.” There. Easy as pie. Love Kevin Keller!

People, put down the funny books and pick up a Bible and get educated. God HATES homosexuality. In the scriptures it is called sodomy and it is forbidden. Read Romans chapter 1 for example and please don’t assume that God thinks this is O.K. it is not and no I do not presume to speak for God I let the Bible do that. By the way if you think this is me being a bigot then check the real facts because I’m in great company,Jesus is God and he wrote the Bible. ‘Nuff said.

“… check the real facts because I’m in great company,Jesus is God and he wrote the Bible.”

I’m not sure “facts” means what you think it does.

The “facts” I am refering to are in black and white and simple to understand by reading something other than the fourth grade reading level of a children’s Archie comic. Grow up people and learn some thing about life by reading the Bible.

Jesus wrote the Bible? And you call yourself a Christian. lol.

It’s never ceased to amaze me how some people think that their beliefs are the center of the universe, and everyone should know and follow them. I don’t care about the Bible. Why should I care what your god think anyway? Why should America has to adhere to your belief? People don’t follow your faith have no reason to believe in what you believe in, so they should be able to live the way they want to live, not how you want them to live. You don’t like homosexuality and think it’s a choice or some devil possessed lifestyle then just don’t become one and just turn the other cheek. It’s not that hard.

LIVE BY THE BIBLE, PEOPLE. IT’S TRUE – GAYS ARE NOT GOOD ACCORDING TO GOD. ALSO..

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness – Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination – Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there ‘degrees’ of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

Shamba needs a course in Biblical literacy. What you posted doesn’t prove what you think it proves.

Shamba proves that he/she doesn’t know that the Book of Leviticus deals with rules that applied to the tribe of Levi. It wasn’t written as a rulebook for all peoples everywhere. Granted, there are Christian fundamentalists who don’t realize this, either. But Shamba does prove that fundamentalism isn’t something that Christians have a monopoly on.

As a little kid thirty years ago, I grew up watching Three’s Company; where Jack Tripper pretended to be gay to be allowed to live in an apartment with two girls, without offending the morals of the owner. That’s kind of ironic when you think about it.

As a result, I thought gay was some made-up TV thing like super-powers or starships, teleportation and space-aliens. I didn’t give it a second thought. Then one day at school, another kid my age(and something of a bully), used gay as an insult on me. I laughed and said there was no such thing as gay people. It was quickly explained to me that homosexuality was real, it was sick and disgusting, and that I was gay(and stupid and a few other things, too).

I came home with a TON of questions for my Mom. Was being gay real? Was being gay sick? Was it evil? Was I gay and didn’t know it? I’d only ever been attracted to girls, would I start becoming attracted to boys? The idea of being attracted to another boy made me feel vaguely ill. I didn’t even know why girls were attracted to boys.

My Mom did a decent job of explaining things, considering we had barely started to cover the “birds-and-the-bees-thing” in any detail.

If you think homosexuality is morally wrong, biologically inferior, weird, normal, biologically normal or morally just, you’re probably going to want your kid to believe the same as you do. They probably will based on what you tell them. Eventually they will grow up to form their own opinions, which may or many not still agree with yours.

There are a number of things parents don’t really want to have to explain to their children, a fair percentage having to do with sex, which is a complication most parents want to keep from their kids as long as possible, because with sex comes a whole host of other issues. Most parents want kids to enjoy being kids while they can. The reality is most kids are uncomplicated. They aren’t going to pay more attention to that Archie cover than they would to Buggs Bunny dressing up like a girl and kissing Elmer Fudd, something he’s done many times without protest.

Kids won’t take it seriously until they are old enough to take it seriously. By then they’ll be old enough for you to talk to them about it.

Personally I’m glad that people have started to debate about gay marriages in recent times and it might actually start becoming reality sooner or later. Atleast I’m optimistic about it.I do think that everyone has a right to get married with the person they love and sexual preferences shouldn’t affect it just like color of your skin doesn’t affect it anymore. How is it even any of our business whom somebody wants to marry?

@Icefanatic
I agree

please, don’t indoctrinate children with homosexuality, let kids be kids.

Isn’t it interesting the Scriptures are so up-to-date in the 21st Century? The Apostle Paul wrote frankly about homosexuality in a Roman culture that widely accepted its practise. But even pagan Rome didn’t condone marriage between same genders. Augustus Ceasar promoted the family as the cornerstone of society. In this mileu, Paul preached the “Good News” of forgiveness of sins to all who repent and receive Christ as Lord. Sin, he taught, is acting on evil inclinations, not having them. We all have the proclivity toward sin, Scripture teaches – nothing new! Nearly 2,000 years ago, Paul wrote: “Since they didn’t bother to acknowledge God, God quit bothering them and let them run loose. And then all hell broke loose: rampant evil, grabbing and grasping, vicious backstabbing. They made life hell on earth with their envy, wanton killing, bickering, and cheating. Look at them: mean-spirited, venomous, fork-tongued God-bashers. Bullies, swaggerers, insufferable windbags! They keep inventing new ways of wrecking lives. They ditch their parents when they get in the way. Stupid, slimy, cruel, cold-blooded. And it’s not as if they don’t know better. They know perfectly well they’re spitting in God’s face. And they don’t care—worse, they hand out prizes to those who do the worst things best!” Romans 1:28-32 Acknowledging and repenting of sin wasn’t a popular message 2,000 years ago, nor is it today. But TRUTH never changes. Regardless of how “progressive” an individual may feel s/he is, “There’s nothing new, under the sun!”

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