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‘Alan Scott won’t be the only gay character in Earth 2

DC Comics rolled out the official announcement this morning that, yes, Golden Age Green Lantern Alan Scott is the “major iconic” character that will be reintroduced as gay, but Earth 2 writer James Robinson has already made clear that he won’t be alone.

“There is another character down the line, but that character won’t be appearing for some time, so it’s probably a bit too early to talk about that,” he told the gay and lesbian magazine The Advocate, “but this book will definitely have a diverse cast. Alan Scott won’t be the only gay character in Earth 2, I promise you that.”

“I feel if you’re going to have a team, you need to have realistic diversity,” Robinson said, explaining his rationale for including a gay member on the Justice Society. “After all, I have gay friends and straight friends and we’re all mixed together. It stands to reason, just based on the population of the world, at least one member of the team is going to be gay.”

Alan Scott's introduction in Earth 2 #1

It’s a sign, perhaps, of how far DC has come since 2006, when the publisher was seemingly caught off-guard by flurry of media attention that accompanied the introduction of lesbian socialite Kate Kane as the new Batwoman. This time, however, interest in an off-hand response by Co-Publisher Dan DiDio to a fan’s question last weekend at Kapow! Comic Convention has been transformed into a springboard for a full-on public relations blitz. This morning Robinson can be found everywhere from The New York Times and the New York Post to Entertainment Weekly and Rolling Stone discussing the reinvention of the 72-year-old original Green Lantern.

“Obviously, I’m a huge fan of DC. But one of the things I felt was that if you’re going to reinvent a universe, you should really go for it,” Robinson told Comic Book Resources. “You should go for it the way Grant Morrison has done with Superman or how Geoff Johns has come up with a new origin for the Justice League. With that in mind, the only thing I was sad about in terms of a younger Justice League was that there wasn’t going to be Jade and Obsidian – Obsidian of course being Alan Scott’s gay son. And just as one idea can foster the next, from there I went, ‘Why don’t I just make Alan Scott gay’ And to Dan DiDio’s credit, there wasn’t a moments hesitation on that. He just said, ‘That’s a great idea,’ and we went with it.”

While some are already debating whether the Golden Age Green Lantern qualifies as either “major” or “iconic,” there’s little disputing that he’ll be prominent. After all, he’s the leader of the Justice Society and an Internet billionaire with an A-personality whom Robinson describes as “part Mark Zuckerberg and part David Geffen.”

Oh, and about that “Golden Age” label? “… On Earth 2 there is only one Green Lantern, so Alan’s title is The Green Lantern,” the writer told The Source. “Alan’s sexuality is just one facet of him, along with his innate goodness, valor, charisma and skill at leadership that makes him the perfect man to wield the power of the green light in the world of Earth 2.”

“Before starting work on #1, the first document I had to work from was the character breakdowns for our primary players,” Earth 2 artist Nicola Scott added. “With Alan the brief was very clear. He needed to be a big, strapping, handsome man that everyone would instinctively follow and love. No short order but right up my alley. Alan strikes me as an incredibly open, honest and warm man, a natural leader and absolutely the right choice to be Guardian of the Earth. His sexuality is incidental. Every time I draw him I love him even more.”

Earth 2 #2 goes on sale Wednesday.

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Well, hopefully that dude in the blue shirt that he’s kissing is another gay character in Earth-2 . . . or else the next panel will be very awkward for everyone involved.

Now I’ll be sure to read the book….

I think the same people complaining about the new Watchmen books should complain about this.

I’m all for introducing new characters that happen to be gay, or even a character in a lineage of characters that’s gay, but to make an established character gay is just annoying.

I don’t think it’s sincere and just a publicity stunt.

They should just go ahead and make an Earth where everyone is gay.

“a character in a lineage of characters that’s gay”? How would that work? It’s not like legacy heroes, Blake. You don’t inherit the gay mantle from the previous gay!

I was dubious about the idea, but James Robinson’s thoughtful interviews have me convinced. A great move.

Why reboot the whole DCU only to keep things the same? I look forward – cautiously! – to seeing what other changes have been made to Earth 2. It would be nice if Obsidian and Jade did eventually pop up, though presumably their histories would be substantially different!

This is stupid. It is more than stupid. Not only was there absolutely no inclination in the early comics that that he was gay, but now there is no possibility for Obsidian to get into the picture, who is my favorite of the Justice Society. If you are going to put a gay character in a comic book, at least make it one who wasn’t married and had kids in previous ones. One more thing, if they really wanted to be diverse, they should have several Christian characters. They have a much higher population than gays.

Chris, I meant in the sense of the lineage of Robins or Green Lanterns or Flashes or Batwomen, for example.

@Blake — with New 52, the whole point is that there are no “established characters.” And since “established characters” tend to be straight white males by very nature of their established-ness, if you’re going to have a major gay or minority character, it almost has to co-opt a well-known name or character. Create a new hero? Yes, do that, too. But it’s no secret that any new character is on shaky ground, while at least Alan Scott is (presumably) here to stay.

Who says Alan Scott isn’t a Christian? If he isn’t who says that there aren’t MULTIPLE Christian characters? Ones sexuality does not preclude there religion.

I think it’s a cop out that they take a character, who happens to share a superhero name with a much more popular character (imo at least), without making the #1 guy gay. Like I said before, I think it’s annoying more than anything.

They should of went whole hog and made Superman bisexual.

I have no problem with this because this Alan Scott is on a different planet. He’s not the same Alan Scott on Snyder’s Batman.

Watchmen prequels are just crass comercialism.

Well if you’re gonna reboot, then why not make an Earth where Green Lantern and Flash (and the rest) are completely new characters. For now, they’re the same but different. I have no problem with the gay aspect. I do have an extreme issue with the lineage of the characters. These specific characters were my Dad’s heroes. The silver age were my heroes – completely redesigned characters and alternate ID’s. And then DC muddied the waters by making a half a** transition to Wally West, Dick Grayson, and Kyle Raynor. I actually liked that they attempted to make the transition to the next generation. And I wished they would have pushed it through with the New 52. Instead we’ve gotten rehashed versions of characters we all love in one regard or another, jumbled timelines, underdeveloped heroes, and mixed up story lines. I love the golden age stuff and will give this a fair shot just to see how the All-Star lineup will develop. But I’ve been pretty disappointed so far. DC redone in Wildstorm’s image is not really doing for me so far.

@Blake — I agree that setting up “(Earth 2) Green Lantern” was a major hedge. I don’t find it “annoying” DC made Alan gay, I actually fully approve of that–I just think it would have been more meaningful to also have an LGBT member of their core icons in the main DCU, as well. There are more than a few that would have worked, and could still.

To Jayson who said: “They should just go ahead and make an Earth where everyone is gay.” OK, but the world would die out pretty quickly.

To John who said: “Not only was there absolutely no inclination in the early comics that that he was gay” This isn’t the same character, he wasn’t in any early comics.

A lot of people don’t seem to get, the old universe, the old characters are dead. The only character that can be claimed to have survived the old universe is the Flash (who caused all the deaths) and maybe Pandora. All the rest are new versions that are somewhat based on the dead characters. Flash is the biggest mass murderer in the history of comics.

@Shaun M: Except for Green Lantern and Batman. Remember: their stuff pre-reboot is still in continuity. So essentially, they ARE “established characters.”

Ugh, DC has become such a gimmicky mess. Hell, why not just make Earth 2 gay earth, LOL. So very stupid!

@Jolly Mon: 2 words to solve that: Sperm donors.

sad to see that the new dc has no jade or obsidien but given how Alan is now gay figured that would be the sacrifice. look forward to see the pay off from james.

@Juan — yeah, that’s its own can of worms…

@Juan

No, that would be egg donors

Guess you slept through sexuality class

@Comicfan

Exactly. I’m starting to wonder if the Big 2 will ever go back to just telling good stories, and get away from transparent publicity stunts designed to get quick sales spikes

I don’t think the people complaining about this being out-of-character have read a DC book in more than a year

Not only is it a gimmick, which is DCs bread and butter, but it is so very boring. Great, we have another gay character. Do we need to have these annoucements? Seriously? I know this is a DC announcement, but Marvel is also as boring with their gay marriage. I won’t be getting Earth-2 and will be dropping Astonishing.

@David I have read but now have decided to go from 27 pre-DCNU comics to one DCNU comic….the new universe is not for me.

@Jolly Mon ” A lot of people don’t seem to get, the old universe, the old characters are dead. The only character that can be claimed to have survived the old universe is the Flash (who caused all the deaths) and maybe Pandora. All the rest are new versions that are somewhat based on the dead characters. Flash is the biggest mass murderer in the history of comics.”

You are right, the old characters are dead…I will go back and enjoy the old DC universe.

Just like what mr. pants said about th watchmen prequels, this is exactly what this is, crass commercialism.

Yeah, I know comics reflect culture, but this is merely a cash ploy, same as it is with Watchmen.

Buy your variant cover

Don’t think Marvel and DC weren’t watching when Kevin Keller #1 became the first Archie comic ever to go to 2nd printing

Can’t wait for the Alan Scott wedding issue!! You know how awesome those wedding issues are… sigh.

What a load of ……
I’ve read on several newspapers: “Green Lantern comes out of the closet”….oh, no, wait….is ONE of the Green Lanterns from Earth…no, wait, from a parallel Earth called Earth 2…
I think this publicity should backfire seriously because:
1. Gay public were thinking that it was THE Green Lantern, not ONE of the Green Lanterns on a PARALLEL earth. I’d be offended. So, you’d be gay only on a parallel earth, on a secondary Green Lantern (we’re not talking about Hal Jordan, are we?)
2. All the media is spreading the word: Green Lantern IS gay. Not that there’s anything wrong with it, but it won’t please the Green Lantern fans…

I think it is safe to say now that we can kiss goodbye a Green Lantern 2 movie…

Would of been more meaningful to be a new character. His entire background has been changed. So why not make a new character? He is also like the upteenth internet mogul/rich guy in DC now.. And adding another gay character seems to be like DC is just making a publicity stunt. Hopefully the second one seems more realistic.

Moreover, a lot of new fans don’t know Alan Scott’s background. Why kill it off? Why not use it? Making a new Green Lantern would of been better. Now he is always going to be compared to the old one.

well identity crisis was cetainly a great title for a series. now its a great title for a comic book company.

ding! wink wink…

the only person who this should annoy is earth 1 alan scott at an earth 2 mardi gras party dressed as green lantern…

I dare DC Comics. I dare them into making a major DC Character to openly confess that they are Christian or a strong believer in God. I dare them. If they got the guts to go against the grain, I would like to make that a personal challenge to them. Come on DC Cowards. DO IT! If we can make Superheroes gay, have shows like GCB (Good Christian Bitches) and such, let see if either of the companies go against the societies norm and have the balls to go against the grain. If these guys are willing to take these bold steps, why not take it to a different direction? If it’s not an agenda, if it’s not promoting a way of life, or it’s not because it’s the “in” thing, there shouldn’t be any problem. Come on. This is a personal challenge to DC and/or Marvel. Show your cards. I’m calling you out!

“If we can make Superheroes gay, have shows like GCB (Good Christian Bitches) and such, let see if either of the companies go against the societies norm and have the balls to go against the grain.”

In a country where about 77 percent of the population is Christian, that would hardly be going against “the societies norm” — or the grain, for that matter.

@Kevin Melrose

you posted” “In a country where about 77 percent of the population is Christian, that would hardly be going against “the societies norm” — or the grain, for that matter.”

well thats a decieving stat if I EVER read one…

…and yet every main stream tv station, comic book company, news (online or paper) company is AFRAID to go against their bullsh*t norm and show any media character as openly Christian or a strong believer in God. and a practicing believer would be nice…but of course TOTALY out of the question.

give me one example that a comic book company has done that? (and i hope i am wrong)

as a catholic i collected comics because for me society in this country, in my town, had/has been anti-catholic or at the least they look down on catholics as inferior or outsiders from another planet.

1st books were 2nd appearance of ghost rider and xmen 97 and superman family with lana lang as qeen bee.

as outsider characters those books spoke to my soul because i felt then and feel now as an outsider to american culture in many ways.

and now even comics have lost their bloom after collecting since the mid 1970s as a grade schooler because even the comic book companies are scared to shown explicitley one christian or catholic character. for me gay isnt the problem. its comic book characters being ALL non-catholic thats the problem.

if what DC & marvel tout is tru then they should have a hanful of practicing christians or catholic charcaters. what about hasidic jewish characters? mystic muslim characters? mormons? sikhs?

but they dont. thats sad. thats full on cowardly.

….and thats heart breaking & soul shattering.

….the only books that attract me now are indies, batman & xforce. the darker the better.

Adam Weissman

June 1, 2012 at 11:49 am

“I dare DC Comics. I dare them into making a major DC Character to openly confess that they are Christian or a strong believer in God. I dare them. If they got the guts to go against the grain, I would like to make that a personal challenge to them. Come on DC Cowards. DO IT! If we can make Superheroes gay, have shows like GCB (Good Christian Bitches) and such, let see if either of the companies go against the societies norm and have the balls to go against the grain. If these guys are willing to take these bold steps, why not take it to a different direction? If it’s not an agenda, if it’s not promoting a way of life, or it’s not because it’s the “in” thing, there shouldn’t be any problem. Come on. This is a personal challenge to DC and/or Marvel. Show your cards. I’m calling you out!”

Check the table at http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/comic_book_religion.html

and in particular this image:

http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/image/Superman_Seasons1.jpg

Uh, yeah. You can shut up now.

Matty Macomber

June 1, 2012 at 11:49 am

Don’t rope Marvel into the call-out for religious heroes! The religious beliefs of Nightcrawler, Daredevil, Wolfsbane, Siryn, M, Kitty Pryde, have played and continue to play a role in their stories (I know there are others but I don’t care enough to be definitive).

BTW, check out http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/comic_book_religion.html if you want to see the religious affiliations of the various Marvel and (old) DC characters.

Matty Macomber

June 1, 2012 at 11:58 am

Oh, yeah, Marvel’s Infinity Crusade did single out 33 superheroes with a significant connection with their respective spirituality. Granted, the plot revolved around exploiting their ability to have faith but yes, Marvel did commit more than a handful of their heroes to being somehow religious. It also took the problematic stance of stating that some heroes are essentially atheists or agnostics.

I feel that GCB showed a very accurate portrayel of some christians. I have lived in Texas my entire life and was raised baptist and christians are very often hypocritical, judgmental and holier-than-thou, sweet to your face and talk trash behind your back. GCB just made it funny. And a lot of comic characters have been shown to have religious beliefs throughout the years, it’s just not something that is shown in every issue, just like homosexuality is not expressed in every issue.

Being gay does not mean that Jade and Obsidian do not exist. Alan’s age means they would be very young, but it is not uncommon for a gay person to struggle with their homosexuality and TRY to be straight by entering into straight relationships. Who’s to say that Alan didn’t impregnate a young woman before he came out and she didn’t tell him?

I am gay but I was bothered by the idea of changing an established character’s sexuality -then it occurred to me that so many of the characters were created back when super-heroes were almost exclusively white and the idea of a gay comic character, especially a hero, would have been laughed out the door. Back then, a black or Asian character would have been considered a big deal news item… and people still freak out about the new Aqualad and Ryan Choi and I see that we may be taking baby steps to future acceptance but some people cling onto those old ignorant bigotries with their fingernails.

Darn.

You know, I agree with the criticisms raised here, but more than anything… I really liked Alan Scott and Harlequin together.

@Shasta “…and yet every main stream tv station, comic book company, news (online or paper) company is AFRAID to go against their bullsh*t norm and show any media character as openly Christian or a strong believer in God. and a practicing believer would be nice…but of course TOTALY out of the question.
give me one example that a comic book company has done that? (and i hope i am wrong)”

Nightcrawler, though dead now, was often portrayed as a devout believer and even created a chapel in Utopia.
Kitty Pryde was shown to be Jewish since her introduction, but you may not count that since you are christian.

And hey, Wonder Woman’s whole identity was based around her belief in the Greek gods… but you wouldn’t count that either as your religion discounts any other religions. Personally, if you expect people to believe in your god then you really shouldn’t discount other people’s religious beliefs.

Didio’s DC regime has really just abused and overused the word “iconic.” Can they do a single press release without that word? Please, just once?

Someone get them a dictionary or thesaurus. That’s their selling point for EVERYTHING now. They barely even try to argue that they have good product, just that you should buy their stuff because it’s “old.” It’s the equivalent of saying, “Screw quality, just buy this product: it’s old, you’re used it, and it’s recognizable.” I mean McDonald’s is iconic too, but it’s still junk.

Geez, enough already.

@El Santo -I actually agree with that. I liked Alan with Harlequin. But to be honest I haven’t read JSA in years so were they still together? I remember Jay’s wife showing up every once in a while but can’t recall many appearances of Harlequin- or her alter ego.

@Adam Weissman

so anyone you disagree with, you simply post your counter reasoning and expect no rebuttal? and i quote “you can shut up now.”

really? “you can shut up now.”????

so out of 70 plus years of a world famous super hero character, the worlds first, most influential, hero, you post 2 small squares of dialogue from a mini-series, and you then “ended” the discussion???

hmmmm????

“Uh, yeah. You can shut up NOW.”

Matty Macomber

June 1, 2012 at 12:58 pm

@Shasta-
Check out those links that Adam Weissman and I posted. There are religious characters and the profiles on them go into more detail about how their religiosity has been portrayed, good or ill, in comics.

Daredevil and Nightcrawler’s connection to Catholicism is a strong part of their stories. Sadly, it isn’t always portrayed accurately but it is there; Chuck Austen really didn’t do his research on how Catholicism differs from other forms of Christianity, for example, in his work on Uncanny X-Men (no, the rapture is not part of mainstream Catholic beliefs). There are other Catholic superheroes. Come to think of it, in the New 52, Robinson himself introduces religious characters, CAtholics, in Barcelona. He met your challenge.

Matty Macomber

June 1, 2012 at 1:00 pm

Sorry, left out where he did that: Shade #5 begins an arc in Barcelona with a religiously faithful vampire and a fanatic that has the surface of Catholicism but at his core is not.

This is crap.

@Matty Macomber
thanks very much Matty for the post of the links and your followups. I agree with what yoy said in all of them.

PS @Adam Weissman
also thanks very much for the data link. my apologies for not thanking you earlier and only commenting on the negative of your post.

oh and btw I am not saying to not support these publications. I am simply waving my flag of what my life is like. I am a big fan of Robinson. Loved his Starman run. every singles issue & character gay straight and whatever.

also I knew about some of the more christian leaning characters. my point is gay is gay, christian is not fallen-away christian.

It would be “nice” (happy shiny face here) to see one super hero shown as a positive christian character. meaning she/he practices what is preached. really practices it. fine, someone can give out a stat that only 1-5% of catholics truly “practices”. well how many gays are there? and how many practicing catholics are there?

shouldnt we represent even the 1% in comics? right now i just dont see it and it hurts.

Robinson has gay friends and wants to show a strong good brave gay character. cant the same be done for a catholic super hero?

please DC or MARVEL? pretty please? sighs & cries… :(

Where are the wood jokes?

This is awesome btw.

Doesn’t Alan Scott already have a gay son in the old continuity? Why not concentrate on making Obsidian a first tier character instead of doing the “oh, we need a gay character … pick one.” There’s a lot of story to be told as far as the established hero dealing with the problems of having a gay son as well as the gay son looking for acceptance from his father.

Seriously, the new DC sounds like a company that will bend whatever the way the wind is blowing instead of actually developing characters … with the teenage boy fantasizing and the disappearance of handicapped characters. Glad I quit buying them.

I’m disappointed that there will not be a Jade in the DCnU, Unless her mother gives birth to her with another man. I hope this is isn’t some gimmick that they’ll run into the ground, and that it will actually serve an important purpose to stories. It seems stupid to make a character gay just to gain more readers. There should be a reason. Hopefully there is with this, otherwise, what’s the point.

DC Comics No More

June 1, 2012 at 1:53 pm

This is the reason I stopped reading DC. I have read these characters for 30 years and they have ruined the DC universe for me and several fans. I wish them luck in the future but they made it easy to save lots of money per month.

I agree, Alan was the first GL, and is a major iconic character in DC and comics. After any major change in continuity or crisis he has alwsys survived and been kept in the forefront. Even though I know it’s not the same Alan Scott or Earth 2, people still associate it with the old pre reboot character and earth2. I don’t have a problem with there being gay heroes or villains, I just feel they should’ve taken a character that didn’t have such an established a background as a father and husband.husband. While I think Robinson means well the choice was wrong. Without The Green Lantern, there would be no modern day GL Corps.

Honestly, it sounds more like a desperate and obvious attempt to stay “relevant” instead of a meaningful move.

Why Alan Scott? Why not Hal Jordan? Then they’d have a “major” gay character. Heck, why not Batman, who’s had questionable sexuality since the 1950s? Or why not Justice League member Cyborg, who as far as I know is a romantically blank slate?

Instead, they go with Alan Scott, a character that they can just kill off or have disappear with little fanfare if the change doesn’t increase sales. Those of us who do know the character remember him as one with a long legacy and had to deal with the issues that came with accepting a gay child. They could have touched on a lot of great story lines here, but chose not to.

KaraokeFanboy

June 1, 2012 at 2:22 pm

@lemurdue — They won’t kill Alan — they’ll kill his partner. It’s already so predictable.

If they really wanted to make headlines, they should’ve made GL the bottom.

KaraokeFanboy

June 1, 2012 at 2:29 pm

@Thalia — OMG! WOOD!

Did ANYONE at DC realize this???

Marvel can easily destroy them with a few slyly phrased rebuttal press releases . . .!

Ah yes, The Earth Two Green Lantern who’s weakness is wood is now gay. If I rolled my eyes any harder I’d be starin’ at the back of my skull.

JDHetherington

June 1, 2012 at 3:21 pm

If your going to introduce a new gay character, why make an old one gay? Secondly the writer expresses a love for Obsidian, and Jade, and then makes it almost impossible to use them at any point…… Every month DC pushes me further away with this ridiculus stunt.

‎_*Im fine with “bunker” on the teen titans being gay. i have bi, lez, and gay friends. im perfectly happy if the laws change for them to be able to wed.

–having stated this, Martin Nodell and Bill Finger’s 1940 character the original Alan Scott version of Green Lantern has been revealed as now being gay in the new 52. this means that his children: Jade, and obsidian (the latter having been gay for quite some time..) either won’t exist, or won’t be the same characters they were. this is a bad thing, and a gimmick to sell books to gay people. they created a new gay character in bunker for the teen titans, and should continue creating bi, lez and gay characters, instead of changing old established ones.

batwoman is a good example of a lez character, being created out of an old one, as the old batwoman was hardly used at all, after “bat-girl” became soooo popular. but the original green lantern was utilized up until the reboot, consistently. –while I like DC giving consideration to other cultures, i find it absurd that they cant create new characters named with new names to “respect” said other cultures. I also have the same problem with the current blue beetle. why do the newer heroes always have to be named after the old ones?? can we not come up with “new” names?/?–we at : M.K.U.I.I. have seventeen major superheroes/characters, that are BI, LEZ, & GAY. but we gave them their own identities, we didn’t give them old names and disrespect deceased creators from the 1940′s who do not have a voice/way to defend themselves, or THEIR characters today.

There is no god, we are on our own.

“… the original Alan Scott version of Green Lantern has been revealed as now being gay in the new 52. this means that his children: Jade, and obsidian (the latter having been gay for quite some time..) either won’t exist, or won’t be the same characters they were. this is a bad thing, and a gimmick to sell books to gay people”

The “de-aging” of so many characters in the relaunch, including Alan Scott, pretty much assured that we wouldn’t see Jade and Obsidian (at least in their familiar forms) anyway.

I’m still trying to wrap my head around the rest of your comment …

Best line of the day…didn’t see it posted here yet…sorry if I missed reading the post.

From Comicbook.com

“Gay Green Lantern: Wood Is No Longer A Weakness “

DC Comics? They still publish stuff?

Alan Scott may not be as iconic as Hal Jordan, but maybe DC’s plan is to make him as big an icon as Hal Jordan, but also a gay icon.

All the newspapers around the world are saying, plain and simple: Green Lantern is gay. So, as a result, if you had a Green Lantern T-Shirt, now it’s like you had a rainbow t-shirt. If your son has a Green Lantern thermos, guess what? at school they are going to call him Tinkerbell. Because people who are not familiar with comics don’t know that is Alan Scott from Earth 2. No. Now, around the world, your favorite superhero, Green Lantern, is a gay icon.
Would it be fair to take a gay icon and turn him *erm* “straight”? No, of course not. The gay community would be very angry. Same here.
So, my message to DC: you have ruined the Green Lantern franchise. Forever. You guys wanted to make money, right? guess what: you are going to lose thousands of dollars, because you have lost the share of straight people fans of GL who used to buy GL merchandise. Not because they are not tolerant, no, because DC has turned the franchise into a gay symbol and straight people just don’t like to wear or buy gay stuff. Not because they are not tolerant, jus because they are NOT gay.
DC: This time you screwed up BIG time.

I real feel for the DC fans right now.

You know what, just call it Logo-2.

there that settles it.

Marvel isn’t even going down this rabbit hole as rancid as their current slate has been.

Jade and Obsidian can still be born any number of ways, use some brains or imagination.

Surrogacy- Alan’s gay, not sterile. He has a magic lantern ring- create them magically outta nothing. Genetic material (skin, blood, hair) procured by a villain and used to create human weapons to use against Alan. Genetic material procured by stalker Harlequin to impregnate herself. Cloned versions of Alan, etc. Stop it with the hysterical unthink.

I dont mind Alan Scott being reintroduced as gay. I haven’t seen him in a relationship in JSA, and before that wasn’t he in limbo for like 10 years??? So I think he’s a great choice. Although to be frank, I would of prefered Wilcat get the gay/bi treatment – hes a big bear already, so hes perfect! ;)

I’m looking forward to even more changes to the original JSA – it was all white, straight, males! Boring! They were like the KKK. And the best part about the upcoming changes?? Seeing all the old male readers getting so upset by it all!! haha…

The only down side is no Obsidian – I don’t see why he and Jade cant be sibling in the regular nu52 universe?? Who cares if Alan isn’t their dad??

I will love it when DC falls by the wayside with this new Universe bullshit.

This whole “oh no! Making this new universe version of Alan Scott a gay character is horrible” thing is just plain sad. This being a, what, 20-something Alan Scott, rather than the one who was 20 in something like 1940, really does make him a different character. (And DC can say what it likes about Flashpoint, but those old stories are still there every time someone reads them.) It’s called Earth-Two but it’s not the same Earth-Two as before, so he could be whatever he is written to be. (And if one wanted him to be the father of a new Jade and Obsidian… er… that’d be a really long wait, given the age issue.)

Frankly, I’m more interested in the Earth-Two-related stuff than a lot of the new mainstream DCU, and I am sure it is in good hands with Robinson and Levitz. (If only Roy Thomas were along for the ride it would be perfect…)

Oh, and nothing says Wildcat couldn’t be a big ol’ gay bear. ;) They haven’t brought him in yet, have they?

>77% of Americans are Christian< There is a huge difference in saying your Christian and actually having a personal relationship with Christ and living it out each day. As for the man from Texas I'm sorry that you had ppl tlk bad about u behind your back. DC and Marvel would never pertray a positive Conservative Evangelical nor a Catholic in a positive light. Especially in 2012 bc they will always be depicted as ignorant hicks full of hate. I'm surprised this has gained so much attention, I mean Colossal was gay in Ultimate Xmen over a decade ago and wasn't there a gay wedding in the late 1990s Authority??? At the end of the day DC, Archie and Marvel only care about promoting their Leftist agendas.

I just love how people at DC love to pretend they’re doing something BOLD and SHOCKING while playing it AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE. This is bs. Of course DIDIO would say yes… This is a “not the real earth so who cares” context they are playing in. Why not make Tim Drake, or Superboy, or Blue Beetle or ANY character from the MAIN earth GAY? Why? Cuz that would ACTUALLY require some balls.

What’s worse… All we’re gonna get is Alan making out with a guy, some effeminate dialogue and nothing more. No tackling issues like Gay marriage, dont ask dont tell, or even remotely trying to showcase what it means to ba gay in a straight world…it’s all just a bubble gum cheap stunt and that is ALL that DC has become these days. This is the only DC book I’m currently reading (cuz, the new 52 had potential, but it’s just a horribly mishandled mess). I’llpick this up. If its bad, that’s it for me and DC for a loooooong time till they get their act together.

ahh the anti-catholic Ger show up and yet i didnt say one thing against gays or any other religion.

@Ger posted “Kitty Pryde was shown to be Jewish since her introduction, but you may not count that since you are christian.”

hmmm…hey Ger….why would you say I dont count her? why are you lying about me for what i said??? in fact I would like to see more of Kitty’s Jewish faith, where did I say otherwise? huh?

@Ger posted “And hey, Wonder Woman’s whole identity was based around her belief in the Greek gods… but you wouldn’t count that either as your religion discounts any other religions. Personally, if you expect people to believe in your god then you really shouldn’t discount other people’s religious beliefs”

Ger, what the h*ll are you talking about? hey if you want people to only think like you thats your problem. I was posting about having MORE DIVERSITY in comics not less, which is what you supported in your post.

Ger, prove where is said anything close to what you falsely accuse me of????? I listed more than just catholics or christians or gays!!! I would like to see marvel and dc openly portray characters of a religious background, whether catholic or not!!! but I am catholic and would favor seeing catholics once and awhile. especially ones that are practicing & not fallen away from the faith.

What is so wrong about that, that you have to lie about me???

awaiting a truthful response.

DC has created a PR nightmare for themselves. Being the resident comic geek, co-workers approached me throughout the day saying “have you heard the news! Green Lantern’s now gay!” All that registered in their brains was “Green Lantern” and “gay”. They didn’t comprehend the “Alan Scott/Earth 2″ aspect. Once I explained the whole “parallel Earth/not Hal Jordan” part, their response was like “Oh. What a gyp.” That will be the reaction of many people when they finally realize it’s not the flagship Green Lantern promoted through television, movies, and merchandising. DC didn’t really think this through carefully.

I love that this is making all the homophobes and closet homophobes who mask their hate in some other excuse squirm so bad. It’s happening. Deal. And strangely enough why are you even reading about it if you dislike gays so much? But then again homophobes usually are just self-loathing gays who can’t deal with their attraction to other men so they deflect it and project their hatred upon others. Guys instead of hating so much so out and get yourself a nice hotdog. You’ll feel much better after having a weenie between two buns.

@KaraokeFanboy

It’s doubtful that the new Earth 2 will last very long. It’s DC after all. They’ll destroy it and try to fold it into Earth 1 in like six months before they do the next universal reboot.

Michael wrote:

Who says Alan Scott isn’t a Christian? If he isn’t who says that there aren’t MULTIPLE Christian characters? Ones sexuality does not preclude there religion.

Two points.

First, of all the religions, DC is most uncomfortable with openly Christian characters. There are characters who openly worship Islam (Nightrunner), Judaism (Ragman), and even Greek Gods (Wonder Woman), but no Christians. (Contrast to Marvel where Christian heroes like the late Nightcrawler are mainstays.)

Second, regarding Christianity and homosexuality, a believer may same-sex attractions, but surrendering to such temptation would not be in line with his faith. The same is true if a Christian surrendered to overeating or drunkenness instead of showing restraint.

“First, of all the religions, DC is most uncomfortable with openly Christian characters. There are characters who openly worship Islam (Nightrunner), Judaism (Ragman), and even Greek Gods (Wonder Woman), but no Christians. (Contrast to Marvel where Christian heroes like the late Nightcrawler are mainstays.)”

The Spectre was (Is?) the Avenging Wrath of God; that seems pretty Christian.

“Second, regarding Christianity and homosexuality, a believer may same-sex attractions, but surrendering to such temptation would not be in line with his faith. The same is true if a Christian surrendered to overeating or drunkenness instead of showing restraint.”

No true Scotsman, eh? There are many, many Christians who have no problem reconciling their faith with their sexual orientation. Many gays and lesbians attend church regularly — some even lead the services — without feeling as if they’re “surrendering” to anything that conflicts with their faith. (I wonder, what does Jesus have to say on the subject …?)

“I love that this is making all the homophobes and closet homophobes who mask their hate in some other excuse squirm so bad. It’s happening. Deal. And strangely enough why are you even reading about it if you dislike gays so much? But then again homophobes usually are just self-loathing gays who can’t deal with their attraction to other men so they deflect it and project their hatred upon others. Guys instead of hating so much so out and get yourself a nice hotdog. You’ll feel much better after having a weenie between two buns.”

I’ve read pretty much all these posts and haven’t seen anyone hate this because they hate gays. Most people on here that don’t like it think it’s a cheap marketing ploy by DC. How they made a Green Lantern gay, not THE Green Lantern gay. How it adds really nothing to the story but just to get publicity. How Obsidian and Jade aren’t in the picture (for the time being).

You support gays rights, et al, then go on to make an offensive, sexualized joke at their expense. Yeah, you’re a real patriot for gay rights. You need to get over yourself and read why people don’t like this idea instead of assume they don’t like because they hate gays.

I’m all for diversity and equality, but the earth-2 guys have been rebooted beyond recognition, and are Alan Scott and Jay Garrick in name only.
JSA fans got screwed by the Wildstormization of DC.
If DC really wanted to be bold, they should have mad one of the big names like Barry Allen or Bruce Wayne gay, instead of using the JSA as cannon fodder for their gimmicks and stunts.

Jake Earlewine

June 2, 2012 at 1:08 pm

I agree with Bill about the Wildstormization of DC. With Bob Harras, Jim Lee, and Rob Liefield on board, DC has morphed into ’90′s Image. Scuse me while I barf on my shoes. If you’re going to go “retro”, why choose to imitate such a desolate, talent-starved era as the nineties? (Because that was flush times for Harras, Lee, and Liefield — and none of them have grown one iota since then.)

Alan Scott is not gay. That’s blasphemy! (Nor is he a “major iconic” character — hasn’t been for over six decades. The DC icons are Superman, Batman, Flash, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, and the Hal Jordan Green Lantern)

You’d think’d notice that the 90s are regarded as the dark ages of comics. Lee likes to cite the high sales of the early 90s to justify the changes, but ignores the fact that it was speculator-driven. You can get pretty much any Image book in a quarter bin these days.
The Wildstorm universe has been canceled and relaunched multiple times, because it’s a creative cesspool that can’t sustain itself.
When was the last time Divine Right: The Adventures of Max Faraday or Gen 13 were considered relevant?
Ditto for Lee’s Marvel work. Sure, X-Men #1 sold a gazillion copies, but it’s story was ultimately as forgettable as the all-flash-and-no-substance JLA relaunch.
Can anyone seriously imagine either book being included in a top 100 comics storylines list?
DC’s 90′s fetish is comparable to if music artists today tried to mimic Vanilla Ice because he had a number one song at one point.
The current output from the big two is as bleak as the work they were releasing 20 years ago. Throw in the $3.99 price tag and you have an industry at it’s all-time low.

KaraokeFanboy

June 3, 2012 at 6:07 am

Are Apollo and the Midnighter still gay?

Eddie the shunned

June 4, 2012 at 8:54 am

When I first read about the gay character I was upset, but now I am delighted.
I am a gay man in my late 40s and I have 8 grown kids. I was married to a woman for over 25 years. I am also a devote christian and was in the ministry for many years. If I am reading all this correctly I see this is a great thing. Let me explain..as some of you are probably already made at me saying gay christian.
First to get this much reaction out of a comic book character coming out is incredible. I came out at 44 and it was the hardest thing in the world I have ever done. I lost every penny, most all my friends(except my comic buddies), my family (not my kids they are great), my business, my name and even a few tires to the knives of the communities most christian people. My coming out and being true to myself cost me most of my belongings and peace. I moved from my family and friends to fort lauderdale because they started attacking my children.
I tell you all that because it is the world I live in,which changes are abrupt and painful.
My plea to dc is that they write this story putting this type of spin on Alan Scott. A man with kids (so you still have jade and obsidion) who comes to a conclusion he needs to be true to himself and come out. This story should have pain, anguish, Hatred, and. Turmoil,as well as truth, love, and beauty. Give those of us people that have gone thru hell and back on this issue someone who we can identify with. Having a secret identity if another sort is very hard to say the least.
I have read comics for over 30 years, I don’t like some of the things dc is doing, but I read them to get away from the world, and get a different perspective. So embrace it and let it be. Now I am going to the beach to enjoy what I can in this life. It is too short to be in this much pain over a comic book, when there is so much real pain from life itself. The
Oh and to pacify those Christians screaming for a religious icon,I say make Alan Scott not only gay but a Christian too. That should make them happy.

The cynic in me suspects the reasoning at DC went something like this:

“It’s gotta be someone semi-well known, because we said it would be. Who should it be?

Superman? No — there would be huge outrage, plus the romance with Lois Lane is way too well established as part of the mythos.

Batman? NO! He’s too popular now, with our whole “Dark Knight” franchise riding on him. Plus, that would dredge up the whole “he lives with Robin; are you saying all gay men are child molesters?” thing Frederic Wertham brought up in the ’50s. Better to avoid that.

Wonder Woman? Hmmm. She’s from an all-female society, so we could do the hot lesbian thing. But do we want comics’ only really iconic woman character to also be its biggest gay character?

The Flash? Hawkman? No — both have been married in the comics.

Aquaman? Uh, no. Making the lamest hero in comics the gay one wouldn’t offend gays at all, now would it?

So, who does that leave? Umm…Green Lantern, I guess.

BUT, let’s make sure the Green Lantern we say is gay is NOT the Green Lantern most people today think of when they hear “Green Lantern.” It can’t be Hal Jordan, who had the big live-action movie last summer, and the animated DVDs about him. There are too many Silver Age fans around who might be offended. Hal is too big a cash cow for us to take this kind of chance with him.

John Stewart, the black Green Lantern familiar through the Justice League cartoons? Oh, yeah — make one of the few popular black characters also gay, so he’s a DOUBLE minority. THAT’LL go over real well…especially with the largely sexually conservative black community.

Kyle Rayner? No, he’s still popular with younger fans, who actually know who he is. He’s our cash cow with the younger readers.

HEY! Let’s make it the Alan Scott Green Lantern who was created and introduced in comics waaay back in 1940. YEAH! The fans who grew up during World War II are either dead or, like, all old and stuff, so who cares what they think? Plus, he’s got the Green Lantern name, so we can CLAIM it’s a big deal; but since nobody today knows who he is, we can keep our promise and weasel out of it at the same time!”

This reminds me of nothing so much as J.K. Rowling announcing that Dumbledore was really gay all along – a year or so after she’d finished the Harry Potter series, so that the fact that he was gay wouldn’t turn off any potential buyers or actually have to be incorporated into the story.

This is just DC jumping on the latest trendy bandwagon, while hedging their bets at the same time. Corporate thinking at its finest.

str8 is the only way

June 5, 2012 at 7:15 am

This is a slap in the face the the straight people that originated the character, the “Greatest generation” that bought the comics in the 40s, and the 90 percent MAJORITY of the population that finds homosexuality nauseating! This is garbage and not for kids. Congrats DC on destroying your fanbase in the name of immorality!
Just say NO to DC comics!

I applaud their decision. With hate posts like this. I’m sure DC did the right thing to raise awareness.

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