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George Perez couldn’t ‘wait to get off Superman’

Renowned creator George Perez, who stepped down as writer and breakdown artist of DC Comics’ relaunched Superman after just six issues, revealed he couldn’t wait to leave the high-profile title because of frustrations over repeated rewrites and a lack of creative freedom. “It was not the experience I wanted it to be,” he said.

“Unfortunately when you are writing major characters, you sometimes have to make a lot of compromises, and I was made certain promises,” Perez said in a recently released Q&A video from this year’s Superman Celebration, “and unfortunately not through any fault of Dan DiDio — he was no longer the last word, I mean a lot of people were now making decisions [..] they were constantly going against each other, contradicting, again in mid-story. The people who love my Superman arc, the first six issues, I thank you. What you read, I don’t know. Because the fact that, after I wrote it I was having such frustration that I told them, ‘Here, this is my script. If you change it, that’s your prerogative, don’t tell me. Don’t ask me to edit it, don’t ask me to correct it, because  I don’t want to change something that you’re going to change again in case you disagree.” No no, Superman is a big character. I was flattered by the responsibility, but I thought this was getting a little tough.”

“I didn’t mind the changes in Superman, I just wish it was the same decision Issue 1 or Issue 2,” he continued. “And I had to kept rewriting things because another person changed their mind, and that was a lot tougher. It wasn’t the same as doing Wonder Woman. I was basically given a full year to get Wonder Woman established before she actually had to be enfolded into the DC Universe properly. And I had a wonderful editor Karen Berger who ran shotgun for me. They wanted me to recreate what I did from Wonder Woman, but it’s not the same age, not the same atmosphere, I couldn’t do it any more. And the writer who replaced me, Keith Giffen, was very, very nice. I’ve known Keith since we both started in the industry, he called me up when they asked him to do Superman to make sure I wasn’t being fired off Superman. And regrettably I did have to tell him no, I can’t wait to get off Superman. It was not the experience I wanted it to be.”

Perez also divulged that he hadn’t been told that Grant Morrison would be relaunching Action Comics as part of the New 52, or that the title would be set five years before the events of Superman.

“I had no idea Grant Morrison was going to be working on another Superman title,” he said. “I had no idea I was doing it five years ahead, which means … my story, I couldn’t do certain things without knowing what he did, and Grant wasn’t telling everybody. So I was kind of stuck. ‘Oh, my gosh, are the Kents alive? What’s his relationship with all of these characters? Who exists?’ And DC couldn’t give me answers. I said, ‘Oh, my gosh, you’re deciding all these things and you mean even you don’t know what’s going on in your own books?’ So I became very frustrated …”

(via Bleeding Cool, Superman Homepage)

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Wow. Sounds like it’s a mess behind the scenes. Would explain many things about DC’s bad decisions lately.

That’s the problem with having prequel books start at the same time as the present-day book. Because the prequel hasn’t been developed, the present-day can’t do alot of stories because the relationships and where they are at during present day haven’t been set up.

And the whole New 52 sounds like this, bunch of undeveloped and uncoordinated ideas.

You’d think DC would have learned their lessons about a reboot after CoIE, and then again with One Year Later. With the New 52, they went further than they had before, past the point of no return, but it still wound up not being far enough. They should have scrapped everything and started from the beginning again. Keeping some continuity, but not others, and obviously having no plan for what was kept and what wasn’t, was a ridiculous move in the long run that’ll shoot them in the foot because it frustrates creators, leading to frustrated comics, which piss off frustrated readers.

Now it makes sense, because while most of the relaunch has been great, SUPERMAN has obviously suffered from lack of direction. We actually didn’t need George to tell us this. Here’s hoping that DC gets a creative team with a vision they like to stick with that book, much like Synder has done with BATMAN. I mean, this is Superman we’re talking about; a character who should set the bar but rarely does.

Actually, some of it might sound like corporate interference from the movie side….

Landru's cousin, Dandru

June 25, 2012 at 8:26 am

:::headshake::: And THIS is a great example of why the New 52 isn’t working–because it’s poorly conceived and is being overseen by people who have no idea what they’re doing.

I only checked out the first issue of Superman because it was such a hot mess, so it’s interesting to hear why that happened. It’s disappointing because, as a huge Superman fan, I just couldn’t connect with either of his New 52 books at ALL. Which is saying a lot considering how many mediocre Superman comics I have in my collection from the mullet era.

Seems to be very typical with DC. You get a proven superstar like George Perez on your core book and you second-guess his stuff? Why didn’t you save money and go with Bob the Intern?

And that sort of thing results in a title that has “Superman” on the bubble with me after having read the book since 1975.
It’s a lot easier for me to consider walking away from a book that’s on issue 10 than one that’s on #724.

hmm, I’m not terribly surprised that Grant Morrison wasn’t forthcoming with his ideas, there’s been a significant lack of editoral reins being kept on him the past few years (See Batman RIP, which I enjoyed, but its a bit of a mess and basically killed any real momentum The Dark Knight could have given in terms of a sales bump or expansion of readership). Though in truth, Action Comics is the best Superman has been since the Geoff Johns run.

On the other hand, re-writes or not, it’s tough to polish a turd and unfortunately Perez’s writing was uniformly awful. The biggest mistake DC made in the new 52 initiative, beyond not doing a full out reboot ala the Ultimate Universe, was putting guys like George Perez and Tony Daniel on flagship books as writers. In some cases artists make for good storytellers, JH Williams for example, but Perez’s dated writing style just wasn’t the right choice for your line’s second biggest character.

Johnny Thunders

June 25, 2012 at 8:36 am

“a lot of people were now making decisions [..] they were constantly going against each other…”

Yes, this is “The New 52″.

**George Pérez is a great artist and deserves some respect**

This isn’t surprising. When I met him at a con in January and presented him with issue 1 for signing, I could tell from his expression something wasn’t right. He said nothing, was very gracious, but stil… I actually liked the first issue, but thought it went a bit off the rails after that. Now I know why. It’s sad, really.

I’m still proud to have his signature, though, as well as the wonderful sketch he did for me of Aquaman and Mera at the same con!

Lester Romero

June 25, 2012 at 8:46 am

I thought it was a mistake to have him work on the book to begin with. Replacing him with Jurgens wasn’t the best move either. New 52, new ideas, new direction yet the guy who worked on Superman when I was in high school is the guy to take a younger Superman forward now?

Things got a little… “messy”… at DC.

Lester: It’s pretty simple. It doesn’t matter who they put on Superman…the mythical younger readers couldn’t care less who the “hot” new artist is. The creators are chosen based on the rest of us. We’re the only people who remember Dan Jurgens and George Perez.

Young fans don’t know who the writers and artists are (I know I didn’t, until I got older).

Tsc tsc tsc…shame on you Warner Bros, shame on you. Thank God you guys have Harry Potter and Christopher Nolan huh?

Hysan: I disagree. I remember when I was 12 and reading Uncanny X-Men I could tell the difference between Marc Silvestri and Rick Leonardi (who were drawing the title at the time).

Rick Leonardi sucked big time and Marc Silvestri was awesome. Kids don’t know the difference between writers but they sure know the difference between artists.

Rockin69: Fair enough…I started reading comics when I was about seven or eight, though.

It’s getting hard to be a DC fan these days

This explains SOOOO MUCH

Right, Ian, where will it end?

Killing both the Kent’s had the biggest unexpected impact on my experience. I’m not to keen on a completely alienated Clark kent.

Looking back now…was it really necessary to reboot everything? Couldn’t they have just revamped every series with a new creative team and renumbered it?

Marvel does not plan to do this and I don’t think this will push young readers away. I “walked” into Uncanny X-Men after Fall of the Mutants, had a lot to catch up to and, boy, it was so fun to learn the history of those characters and everything that happened to them.

I really don’t get this whole “new reader friendly” concern. I’m probably alone on this.

Perez cannot blame anyone else for Superman #1, probably the worst comic of the new 52. Everyone has to work within restrictions, especially a massive initiative as the new 52, and when Perez, says that he did not know what he was getting himself into, C’Mon!

It’s why I was disappointed with George on Superman in the first place. Can a fresh young writer adapt better?

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Simon DelMonte

June 25, 2012 at 9:38 am

It’s utterly depressing that the flagship character of DC Comics, the single most famous of all the heroes even today, is handled this way. Batman gets the best writers and the best editors and everything flows like fine scotch. Supes gets this mess. It stinks.

Whenever the chance arises, I always take the opportunity to “get off Superman.”

They didn’t “reboot everything.” The Batman and GL universes remain the same, all canon intact. A lot of hate for the new 52 is unfounded. There is this notion that things were much better before the relaunch, implying there weren’t any God awful books to be found. Well there was. Aquaman, Wonderwoman and Flash at better than they’ve been in years. Batman too. The main failing has been Superman. Both the title book and (sadly) Morrison’s Action Comics have been really poor.

Rockin69…I guess it depends on the title. Spider-man is pretty easily picked up by anybody, on the other hand Fantastic Four and Avengers are a mess of tangled continuity. I mean, it’s so bad, they had to create Avengers Assemble just to have something for new readers to hop onto after seeing the movie…that’s not good (it doesn’t help the fact that the book is awful).

There did seem to be huge plot-holes and inconsistencies between Action and Superman. I’m reading them both and wondering why there has been no real inter-relationship development between Clark and Lois and Superman and Metropolis.

Also surprised that we are almost a full year into Superman and haven’t gotten a sniff of Lex Luthor. He’s appeared modestly in Action Comics and aside from the Bullet Train incident, he hasn’t done much.

Rob: I never said that. Things were clearly not great, especially for Justice League, Wonder Woman and Aquaman.

All I’m saying is a reboot was confusing and unnecessary. Especially because Batman the GL remained intact. I’m not even going to attempt to understand how that is possible.

A creative reboot: yes. A continuity reboot: no.

“A lot of hate for the new 52 is unfounded”

Ah ah ah, right… nice joke! :P

Kyle: Completely disagree. There is no continuity mess on Avengers and Fantastic Four and I’ve been reading those titles for a very long time. X-Men is the worst when it comes to this because of the constant time-travel and alternate dimensions.

The only mess in Avengers continuity is this God-awful Avengers Assemble title.

Simon: it’s not that Superman gets the mess – it’s basically DC’s choice to give free reign on Batman while messing up big time on other properties (Teen Titans, Justice League International and others come to mind) or simply screwing up editorially (which was what messed up Giffen’s awesome run on Doom Patrol big time).
And one other thing: rebooting partially the Universe while keeping Batman and Green Lantern the same is way too stupid as a publishing strategy as it can get. Why couldn’t DC call NewDCU Earth Pizazz and sort of leave the older DC Universe as a new parallel Earth? Kind of a more elegant way of rebuilding DCU for a new generation.

jose luis pinto

June 25, 2012 at 9:52 am

What did he expect,if he wanted more creative treedom then do ur own comic,independentyl then u won’t have to worry about any of this bull shit mr Perez!

You know who’d be a great counterpart to Morrison on Supes? Tom Peyer or Mark Waid (Maybe if Harras leaves DC)

jose luis pinto: that’s oversimplying things. Grant Morrison has freedom on Batman so why can’t George Perez also have the same privileges?

Whether Perez is a good writer or not is not the question. DC hired him to handle their flagship title so they should trust him, right?

When a film producer hires a director he usually trusts the guy well enough to do the job and try to interfere as little as possible.

Matthew Halteman

June 25, 2012 at 10:02 am

Rockin69 said: “There is no continuity mess on Avengers and Fantastic Four and I’ve been reading those titles for a very long time.”

Rockin69, you ARE seeing the irony in this statement, correct?

Rockin69,

I can tell you from experience, I have tried to read Hickman’s Fantastic Four, and while I generally enjoy it…if I have to go to wikipedia for every issue to understand who the heck each newly introduced character is, something is wrong. This is the first Fantastic Four I’ve read in probably 15 years.

And Avengers is so tied into crossovers and giant events, it’s impossible to pick up that book cold and know what’s going on.

Matthew Halteman: you talking about two different things there. Just because a title has been going on for years does not mean that its continuity is a “mess”.

Kyle: that’s not a continuity problem, thats the way Hickman writes. Same goes for Morrison. Any Batman issue written by him (pre new 52) would make Wikipedia be your best friend.

You’d think Perez would have Morrison’s phone number. Seriously, if red tape is blocking you, just call the other guy up. How hard is that?

If there’s somethin’ strange in your line of comics?
Who you gonna call (Sott Lobdell)

If there’s somethin’ weird and it don’t look good
Who you gonna call (Sott Lobdell)

Rao help us!!!!!!!!

ops – Scott Lobdell :P

I concur with JoshDM. Grant isn’t getting stuff to DC about the long term plan, ok–go to the source directly. I can’t see Morrison going out of his way to keep a co-worker in the dark.
Condolences to George, it sounds like a very frustrating situation to be in.

Rob: maybe it was a pride thing. Maybe Perez didn’t want to have to go to Morrison to get answers.

Big writers = big egos.

@Rob

You speak as if you know the guy on a personal level, I wouldn’t make a good judgement on the guy anymore than I would make a bad judgement, we just don’t know what’s happening

As far as this talk about younger fans knowing or not knowing the writers and artist, I’m Clueless. I do know personally I didn’t know any names until, I came back to comics as an older reader who found cbr.

I’d heard of Jim Lee, but I didn’t really know him or even know he was drawing my x-men comics

I can only hope DC Entertainment is taking note and there will be a reboot in the DC offices sooner rather than later.

Im a fan of books like Demon Knights, Swamp Thing, Animal Man and Wonder Woman. But, overall, I think DC editorial is a mess. And for someone like Perez to go public about this is not good.

Nick Marino: That’s what Lois Lane said.

Sorry George I love you but when you did write it was pretty mediocre stuff. Clark pined and moped and Lois screeched at Clark and bored us for six issues. The books were so redundant. You are a great artist to but your whole style IMO does not fit in with the tone of the new DCU Superman. This book has been dull , even with Jurgens and Giffen. Jugens seemed stuck in the 90ties. Superman needs to get out of the past. Good luck to Scott Lobdell and Ken Rocafort.

Can’t say I’m at all surprised. Once they explained the 5 years ago deal, I knew Morrison would be messing this up for him out of secrecy.

Too many chiefs and not enough Indians

Rick Leonardi sucked big time

Yet another poster whose taste in art can be safely ignored.

I dropped the Superman title after Perez’s run. An I could see how they were linking it to Action. It was weak. And I never thought Perez was at fault. Have no plan on picking it up again

“jose luis pinto: that’s oversimplying things. Grant Morrison has freedom on Batman so why can’t George Perez also have the same privileges?”

In this case, it seems like it’s because Grant Morrison already has those privileges on Superman, too.

Truth is they have yet to find a writer who can handle Superman in a proper way.

I will say though, in Perez’ defense, that it must be much easier to write Batman than Supes.

They did. Kurt Busiek’s Superman was perfect. Then he got removed so Geoff Johns could do whatever he wanted.

Chuck Melville

June 25, 2012 at 11:29 am

Frankly, the problem sounds more like one of editorial control and an obvious lack of it — that, and micromanaging from a half-dozen hands from somewhere further up the corporate ladder. If Perez’s writing comes across as poor and disjointed, then it appears to be coming from a lot of interference and last minute armchair quarterbacking from folks who should be applying a ‘hands-off’ approach if they want their number one icon to be a best seller again. As for the lack of coordination with Morrison’s work on Action — where the heck is the EDITOR on these titles!? It’s HIS job, not just to smooth things over, but to see that both titles are coordinated and that everything is on track.

Now the SUPERMAN title is due for it’s third creative team within a year. (Did Giffen and Jurgens also find the book to be too much of a headache to work on?) That’s not a good sign. Lobdell and Rocafort are also not a good sign of a future direction for this book, based on their other current DC work. I’m jumping off of this title for the first time in years. It’s a mess, and it doesn’t look like it’s getting any better.

On the other hand, I WILL continue to get Morrison’s ACTION COMICS.

Matthew Halteman

June 25, 2012 at 11:31 am

No, Rockin69, I was simply pointing out the irony of a long-time reader of a particular a comic book considering that comic book’s continuity to be perfectly acceptable and easy to understand. Of course you would feel that way. You have been reading the books for years, as you say. A new reader would not necessarily feel the same way.

And, I’m sorry, but if you have to consult Wikipedia to understand a story in a superhero comic book, that superhero comic book is not being written well.

Too much editorial/corporate interference, I think , is really hurting DC Comics.

On the other hand, I WILL continue to get Morrison’s ACTION COMICS.(2)

Honestly you could say the same thing about the X-Men anymore, there’s so much editorial interference that it has to make the books difficult to write. When 1 writer had control of the 3 main books (Claremont on Uncanny, X-Men, and New Mutants) the books had a tight continuity. and everything tied together. Now that there’s 8-10 books it’s a nightmare, and Marvel wants to publish more than 12 books a year?

As far as George is concerned, when you have a problem, you go to your editor, if the editor keeps changing their mind, how do you write. For the person who said “Just call Grant Morrison” do you realize that the editor should be editing both books and should know what the other writer is doing.

Thats the problem with Grant Morrison. He basically does his own thing and be damned what anyone else is doing. Sure he sells books and is a big name, thats why they allow him to do whatever he wants and not collaborate with other writers. DC! Grant Morrison works for YOU!! Not the other way around! They need to have more fluidity between creators, this is something Marvel does very well.

“Perez cannot blame anyone else for Superman #1, probably the worst comic of the new 52. Everyone has to work within restrictions, especially a massive initiative as the new 52, and when Perez, says that he did not know what he was getting himself into, C’Mon!”

@Chris: Perez is an old pro. It doesn’t sound like he’s complaining about having to work within restrictions, but that he rarely knew what those restrictions were, and that they kept changing after the fact. That’s unprofessionalism on DC’s part, not Perez’s.

It’s also not Morrison’s responsibility to coordinate with Perez. That’s what editors are for, and it sounds like total editorial breakdown where these titles are concerned.

And this changes that George Perez is now and has always been a lousy writer how? Great artists, lousy writer.

Brian from Canada

June 25, 2012 at 11:59 am

Morrison doesn’t communicate with other writers all that well. JLA proved that. DC 1,000,000 was a bust.

And having Morrison set the standard for what Perez will be starting with without telling him is just asinine. Yes, Perez should have been told faster or gotten better editorial support, but I can bet safely that certain things were either off limits or told to wait until Grant had figured them out.

That editorial is mucking things up from on top sounds about right too — remember: part of the New 52 was to prepare it for TV and movies in the way that Harras’ Ultimate line (taken over by Quesada) did for Marvel.

Personally, I’m sad to see Jurgens go and have some hopes for Lobdell given that Scott’s at least trying to give us a story moving forward. ANYTHING has to be better than that Earth-23 crap in Action Comics #9. I mean, for ####sake, why do you need to do an entire issue in an alternate timeline NOW when we’re not even done establishing this one?

“When a film producer hires a director he usually trusts the guy well enough to do the job and try to interfere as little as possible.”

On what planet is this? Because unless your name is Cameron, it happens to all directors all the time.

@Matthew Halteman: we were all new readers once. I came into X-Men and they already had the whole Phoenix thing and the Madelyne Pryor thing and the Days of Future Past thing.

Spidey also had gone through a lot of stuff when I joined. Who’s Gwen Stacy? How many Green Goblins and Hobgoblins exist exactly?

But, to me at least, that was part of the fun. Some people like Mario and some people like World of Warcraft and some people (like me) enjoy both and Resident Evil to boot. All I’m saying is don’t dumb down continuity or storylines just because you think kids will find it too difficult. Kids are not dumb unless you start treating them as such.

@Badthingus: when it happens its because there is a lack of trust between producers and director or, going higher, lack of trust between the head of the studio and the producer.

Either way is bad business. I work in the film industry so I know. DC was clearly insecure about giving Superman to Perez and that is how this mess started.

NewDCisaMarvelContender

June 25, 2012 at 12:04 pm

I’m sorry to hear that Perez had such a bad experience, but at the end of the day, the company has the last say. Warner Bros. must be doing something right because the new DC Comics is a great success and ruling the sales chart.

“…Dan DiDio — he was no longer the last word…”

So glad Warner Bros. took my suggestions and took over total control of DC Comics and demoted DiDio, Johns, and Lee, from those ridiculous self-appointed promotions. Johns’ ridiculous story ideas, i.e, rainbow brite lanterns, etc., no longer strangling the DC Universe, and Jim Lee, no longer off doing other ridiculous non-comics related crap, but actually drawing comics.

“Grant wasn’t telling everybody…”

Now, WB needs to either fire or knock Morrisson off a few pegs. This pompous, arrogant, recycling hack of a know-it-all who writes for himself and not for the fans has been allowed to write nonsense for far too long. Remember the WTF series, Final Crisis??

After fifteen to twenty years of reading DC comics, I called it quits. This is exactly the bullxxxx horrible editing and management of DC characters that has frustrated me over the years. And this reboot has been anything but a new leaf. It is the same old garbage at DC.. and worse than ever.

Now I like Morrison.. even more a fan than Perez.. but even I recognize what a talent and what stature Perez has in his field. That they snubbed him like this and let Grant run wild? Terrible.

It is staggering that DC figured they could reboot their entire line which has some of the most iconic characters in comics.. hell.. in cinema and television even.. within the same amount of time as planning any other mini series or cruddy summer crossover event.

This is maybe one of the most revealing reviews with the biggest creator involved, but it paints the same messy picture a number of other creators around the reboot have portrayed.

Tossing spaghetti on the wall might be too neat a metaphor for the clusterxxxx the idiots running DC have made.

As it’s been said, it’s not Morrison’s job to call up other Superman writers and go, “This is what I’m doing.” It may be a nice sentiment, but not doing it doesn’t make him some huge dickweed. Editorial should be doing that, there’s a Superman group editor that should have the game plan for both books and be able to coordinate.

DC will never fire Morrison, why? Because despite people disliking him, his books sell. Comics are a business, and you don’t fire the cash cow. Same goes for Johns.

It was OBVIOUS that the New 52 would be a success. Everyone would be interested in reading about this “brand new universe”, it doesn’t take a genius to figure that out. And Jim Lee drawing Justice League? Well, that’s a no-brainer right?

Let’s see how DC will be doing by next year. I honestly hope things will go smoothly but they do have a history of screwing things up and this Perez story is not a good indication.

And as someone pointed out to my comics elsewhere, if a vet like Perez gets such awful treatment, what treatment do other creators get from DC?!

Well, unless you’re Rob Liefeld who must have some really awesome blackmail photos of Lee and Harras. Did he have a camera when they accidentally killed a hooker after doing lines of blow off her bum?

Really. DC fires George Perez.. and gives Liefeld three damn books after his first bombed.

Freaking Bizzaro World, man.

I honestly don’t understand the Johns bashing. He made me interested in Green Lantern!! for crying out loud, a character I never ever cared about before.

And to the people complaining about the “rainbow-colored” lanterns…have you ever read an issue of GL? Saint Walker is a great character as is Larfleeze and Atrocitus. Please read before you judge.

Matthew Halteman

June 25, 2012 at 12:49 pm

Rockin69, I see what you’re saying and I agree, to a certain extent. But keep in mind that writers back then made sure that any issue of a comic book could be someone’s first, by giving them the basics of what had come before, so they could join in and hop onboard.

Going back and reading the stories that were referenced was something that you COULD do (if you could find them), but it wasn’t something that you HAD to do. Modern comics are not like that.

The point I am making is you cannot see that the continuity of the comic books you reference can be difficult to interpret, given how long you have been reading those particular comic books. It alienates new readers.

I know what I’m talking about here. I have a friend that is just getting into comics. She is very excited and wants to dive in, but she gets confused quite often. She’s lucky to have me as a resource, since I have been reading comics my entire life, but even I sometimes have to simply advise her to look something up online.

That shouldn’t have to be the case. Anyone should be able to pick up a comic book and understand enough about what’s going on to be able to follow along. Even reading collections doesn’t always help. How many collections of ongoing series’ tell a complete story between their covers?

Perez was the reason to buy the book. He’s one of the best artists and while I’m a huge fan of his work, you could see problems with this book on the writing side. What shocks me is how there are people posting about how they don’t like his writing style. The book was something you actually had to read and he was doing single-issue stories. That is something they need to be doing. Not everything needs to be decompressed into a 6-issue storyline. I only hope that someone gets Perez on something quick because his pencils and panel work is better than most peoples.

Geoff Johns – “Chief Creative Officer”
Bwahahahaha!!!!

That’s my George! I knew he had more heart than those at the helm of DC. can’t say i blame leaving after what they have done to the heroes in the new 52 blasphemy.

Well, this comes as no shock. Anyone with half a brain could tell that the changes to the Superman mythos and the Superman reboot in general was thrown together at the last minute and not at all carefully planned out.

I have mixed feelings on the new 52. But one thing I don’t have mixed feelings on is the Superman relaunch—I think it’s been pretty terrible.

Grant Morrison’s work on Action Comics is ok. But it’s just ok. It should be a much better book than it actually is. Now, perhaps that will change going forward. But right now, it just feels like a less emotionally vested retread of the same themes we’ve already seen handled better by both Mark Waid and Geoff Johns in the past. There are a few things here or there that I like but overall, I’ve been very letdown by it. I don’t ::like:: or get this need to basically cater to the people who HATE Superman in order to make people like him. I didn’t need to see Superman beating people up or trying to be a tough guy to like him. I already liked him. Also, the use of Lois Lane in both books has been very poor. There is no Triangle for 2 at all in the new Superbooks. An element of the story that has always been there. Very strange and such a letdown.

The Superman book. is a complete and utter mess. George Perez tried really hard and I do give him credit because there was some emotional heart to his narrative that rang true. Giffen and Jurgens are great guys but the problem here is with editorial.

Frankly, I think editorial’s viewpoint on Superman right now is just very, very poor. I think they are mismanaging the character on every level and I think that the choices made in the relaunch were handled poorly.

Also, not to beat a dead horse because I know what’s done is done, but I still think the retcon of the Supermarriage was just a very, very poor decision and it has continued to leave a rather sour taste in my mouth even a year later. Lois and Clark had become, to an entire generation, a love story that meant something genuine. To watch that love story be crapped on and discarded like yesterday’s trash by Matt Idelson and other editors over the last year has left a very sour taste in my mouth. If you want to start over again, you know, I get that. I don’t agree but I can get it. But the way it’s been done has just been very poor and not in good taste. ::shrugs::

I give credit to Perez for being honest. I do have to say that if it was HIS idea to introduce that sleazy boyfriend for Lois Lane, Jonathan Carroll, then I’m glad his idea got vetoed. That seemed in very bad taste from the minute it dropped. But I do give him credit for trying to make the best of a bad situation and for being so candid now.

@Matthew Halteman: I see your point but I disagree. Writers these days are making a huge effort in trying to keep things simple for new readers all the time. You don’t see constant references to stories from the 80′s and 90′s in today’s Marvel Comics. On AvX they are not even talking about the fact that Hope Summers was raised in the future by Cable who is actually the son of Cyclops and Madelyne (oh boy).

X-Men continuity is very convoluted yes, and I wish some things were erased to be honest, but I’m still firmly against an X-Men reboot because to me that’s a copout.

If a person thinks said comic is too complicated then there are plenty of other options to go by. But don’t ruin the experience for the people who invested their time and money (and still do) on this.

@Xenos, I’ve been saying for months that they are just throwing things at the Superman books to see what will stick.

The weird part to me is that I just don’t think writing good Superman is that complicated.

Stick to what WORKS and has WORKED. Look at the success and positive response of Superman vs. The Elite. Why did that story resonate with people? Because Superman was in-character; yet, he was written like a REAL person. The relationship of Lois/Clark was written like they were a REAL couple.

Writing a good Superman story is not that complex. Focus on Clark’s humanity. Show us how he is like us without ever compromising his goodness and heart. Write the love story with respect and remember to write Lois as strong but warm (because yes, the love story is a paramount component to Superman at this point and one of the most marketable aspects to wider audiences there is no way around that) have villains that really CHALLENGE Superman at his core and challenge his view on Justice. Don’t forget that Clark Kent has a dual identity that he must operate from. He is both alien and human. All of these elements are not rocket science.

The more DC tries to throw stuff at Superman to see what will stick the farther they move away from what actually WORKS.

fanboy whine a thon in full effect. super entertaining. have at it nerds…

Several writers have stated similar frustrations over at Marvel. Working for the big 2 these days isn’t all rainbows and sunshine. Everything has to go before a committee of people who have nothing to do with anything creative before it gets published. This is why we get the half measure stories we get these days where nothing of merit happens even though the hype machine constantly promises otherwise. The stuff these guys put out now are just ads for something else. Look at every Marvel crossover “event” for the last 5-7 years. House of M, Secret Invasion, Siege, Fear Itself, AVX are all great concepts which I’m sure had great intentions but all got watered down (Siege actually wasn’t too bad). Then there’s DC’s halfboot where some things happened and some things didn’t. Marvel and DC used to be places where anything could happen and often did. Well in a way they still are as long as it passes before a committee of financial analysts, a law review board, and an outsourced brain trust. And I know, this stuff is selling big time, so that just makes me crotchety old fan boy who ain’t too good with the business sense. So what do I know?

@gnarl

A gentle correction:

Editorial incompetence in full effect

Matthew Halteman

June 25, 2012 at 1:53 pm

“If a person thinks said comic is too complicated then there are plenty of other options to go by. But don’t ruin the experience for the people who invested their time and money (and still do) on this.”

This, right here, is why comic books are a dying medium. No other storytelling medium would ever shoot itself in the foot in such a way.

This is maybe one of the most revealing reviews with the biggest creator involved, but it paints the same messy picture a number of other creators around the reboot have portrayed.
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Others have said this before. We all saw that with Static Shock and we have seen too many books get ruined by too many out of control editors and too many cooks in the kitchen.

If Dan doesn’t have the last word on matters-who does then. Because they need to explain why Wally, Donna and certain others are not allowed to be used. The vanishing of most of Dc’s minority population and the constant mistreatment of Static and the messed up Young Justice line.

Matthew, exactly! In the 70′s- at least the early 90′s, anyone could have jumped into Superman or The X-Men, or really any other title and not be anywhere near as lost as you’d be today. Guess what? That’s when comics were their most profitable and probably when most of the folks posting is this comment thread got into the hobby.

Right now, the industry caters to one continually shrinking audience, I give DC and Marvel both credit for trying to develop new readership (via the New 52 and the Ultimate line), but heavy reliance on continuity continues to be the bane of the industry along with the slow decline of print media in general.

Sounds like when Jim Shooter announced the New Universe at Marvel- then they had to figure out what it was!

I love grant morrisons superman. the armor he wears shows he is thinking about the weaknesses superman has. kryptonite, magik/magic, and red solar radiation factually weaken and can kill superman. so why wouldn’t batman and wonder woman, insist that he wear armor, to try and block those things? would they want a pivotal J.L.A. mission, where these things were used to fail?? ….. -having said that, perez was the senior here…and should have been given complete free reign, wayyy before morrison, who has not been there at DC as long as perez has. –communication is key between creators on different books with the same characters. DC should have mandated morrison give all info available to perez. -

and to those who state people hate superman, we don’t. -we just hate the god powered version who can break planets. nothing can kill him, so there’s no point in reading about a character that always wins. .& that cant be hurt. its disgusting. this reboot was actually good for superman. it made him vulnerable, which is in correlation to readers, and what they want, and will pay for.

honestly, the mandated five year timeline is the main problem with this reboot. if green lanterns entire past is still in continuity, there’s no way all of it happened in five years. there’s also no way that any robin could finish their training in the martial arts in ten years, let alone the two each has had. not one true Asian style, can be completed by anyone within five years.

Hey apocalyptic people: comic sales are down for the same reason newspaper sales are down…everyones going digital these days. It has nothing to do with continuity at all, geez.

I only picked up Action because it looked more together. I guess this is why.

LEADER DESSLOK

June 25, 2012 at 4:18 pm

When I was a kid writing and drawing “Fan Funnies”, I preferred to make up my own characters cause I didn’t want to get sued! (Yup, I knew a little something about copyright laws back then but only at the most basic level.) Sure my creations were knock-offs of established characters but I had the freedom to do whatever the heck I wanted to! When I got to HS and started fantasizing about working in “The Business” I started using “real” DC and Marvel heroes in the hopes that these would eventually generate ideas that could be used as samples. Ultimately a series of incidents (The Kirby Art Hostage Scandal of the 80s and the blatant attacks on a creator who I admired, being just two of them) soured me on ever working in the industry. Perez’ “Superman frustrations” just remind me that I made the right call!

The “War OF The Gods” (Wonder Woman) fiasco and now this? My hat’s off to you George for giving SUPERMAN a shot anyway!

None of what Perez says is very surprising. It sounds like there is too much interference in the titles from people outside editorial and above Didio; probably Warner execs. This kind of interference is what I was dreading when Levitz stepped down and Warners decided to become more involved. Levitz had a reputation of being able to keep Warner execs away and protecting DC and that seems to have fallen by the wayside. I would be willing to bet that outside of a few creators (Morrison, Johns, Lee and probably Didio and maybe one or two others) who are free to create the others probably have many hoops to jump through and bosses to appease.

Creativity by committee where members of the committee are not necessarily creative people seems like a recipe for disaster.

Rockin69, unfortunately comic sales were in decline well before the advent of digital comics. It sounds like digital has helped the industry but sales, in general, have been declining for decades (the speculator boom of the early/mid 90′s aside).

Regardless of anything, sales on Superman are still good compared to pre-launch and that’s pretty good considering how bad it’s been. Morrisson’s Action Comics same thing, but even though it started out with critical acclaim. talk about it has quieted. Readers seem to be giving Superman the faith the ‘first superhero’ deserves, until DC gets it right.

My thoughts last September I stick by, Superman needed fresh legs and a new audience so they gave the assignment to Grant and it worked. BUT they did not want to loose the long term faithful, and thus they gave Superman to the older writer, and not Snyder, or Lemire.

I’d still wish they had put Marc Waid on Superman, he works well with Grant, and his Daredevil relaunch was the best of any comic, any company.

So you are trying to say that books out of the NU52 are giant steaming messess behind the scenes. Wow, i’m shocked that DC is not an engine of efficancy… HAH! no i’m not: If the NU52 taught us anything its that to many cooks MAY spoil the broth, but to many bean counters trying to be creative most certainly spoils a comic companies ability to create something worth reading.

Frankly this reboot idea was a poor idea from day one.
Creativity Reboot yes, continuity reboot no.

Alternate DC realities are only fun because they are a short lived alternate.

Anthony O'Neill

June 25, 2012 at 6:22 pm

I like “The Old 52″ better. My DC Universe ends at 1985 or so….

Well, I don’t care about Superman.
I love Perez’s art, he’s amazing, but I’m still mad that he didn’t finish drawing Infinity Gauntlet.
Or finish Crimson Plague.

DC has really made some stupid decisions in the last 10 years. When the New 52 was launched I thought, hey maybe DC will do away with ppl @ stupid plots like Grant Morrison’s Horrific Batman run (RIP was an abomination!!!!) But Noooo! They put him on Action and he does what he always does screws us fans. He ruined XMEN, Batman and now Superman, but Dan Didio could care less bc anything Grant wants he does! Look how DC screwed us Static Shock fans with that terrible New 52 comic. Static is one of my favts and DC didn’t care. Or look how cool Tom Deflacos Superman Beyond was last Aug, then DC dosnt even give us a reason why they discontinued the book without Defalco. Or look how DC did Paul Levitz with his really great Batman Supreman annual in 2010, a five star story and they throw him under the bus for Beechens garbage Hush Beyond story. Grant and Dan need to get the H out of DC and while their at it take Axel away from Marvel. Nuff said.

This is meant as no respect to Perez, but not all artist are good writers, maybe with the exception of John Byrne. Fortunately, unlike Byrne, the quality of Perez’s art has not faltered since his heyday on the Teen Titans.

So with this behind the scene tidbit made public, does it mean that Perez’s employment with DC is over or just with respect to Superman title?

“New readers”must be an ironic or sarcastic appellation considering they’re pretty averse to actually, you know, reading. I mean, apparently it’s too difficult to even have to look something up on wikipedia to explain something they read in a Fantastic Four, Avengers or XMen title, jeez.

“New Readers” are the reason we’ve had continuity messes with DC comics since the Silver Age and roughly every 20-30 years since. Accommodating “new readers”by wiping out everything that happened previously do not make for new, fresh stories, they make for soulless, empty stories devoid of context or just endless rehashes of the old stories.

The mindset of the “new reader” seems more aligned with gossip and celebrity magazines where everything is easily digestible with no actual content. If you can’t understand that a comic that has been going for 50 odd years is more complex than just the issue that you hold in your hands, you really should be reading something else, if what you’re doing can really be considered reading at all. Reading involves using your intellect and your imagination, too, not just passively absorbing what is going on.

In no other story form is there the expectation that everything should be new all the time with no history behind it. Imagine your favourite tv series wiped clean every episode or a movie franchise that ignores its own history. This mindset is responsible for George Perez finding himself in the ridiculous situation he found himself in- not knowing the relationships between Clark & Lois, for example, or knowing if the Kents are alive or dead. Now NONE of us know anything about Superman, new and old readers and writers alike.

Continuity enriches stories. Stories are ABOUT continuity, about what happened before, what happened after before and what happens after AFTER before. The treasure of comics can be found in the decades spanning complex relationships between characters and events and how one thing that happened in the past can have a bearing on what happens in the future or the present. If you can’t be bothered paying attention and exploring the richly detailed history of a comic book you are reading, you’re missing out because you’re just plain lazy.

Since the start of the DCnU, DC books have dominated Diamond’s Top Ten every month, with regular issues of Batman titles, Action Comics, Green Lantern, and Justice League consistently outselling all of Marvel’s flagship titles like Uncanny Xmen, Avengers, FF, and Spider-man, even those linked to “events”. Even Superman, as loathed as it is in this thread, is a consistent top 20 seller, as are traditional DC B-listers like Flash and Aquaman, again often outselling Marvel’s flagships. So yeah, clearly DC is doing something “wrong”.

Yes, you read that right: *Aquaman* has outsold Uncanny Xmen.

So, to the haters: maybe, just maybe, the reboot’s not your cup of tea, but happens to appeal to an audience broader than just you, hence the rejuvenated sales.

Yeah, nobody likes to see how the sausage is made, and editorial/creator conflicts are nothing new in any mass-market creative medium. But nobody predicted the demise of Warner Bros. when Richard Donner got replaced by Richard Lester, and DC Comics probably won’t fold because George Perez, like many others, could not figure out what the hell Grant Morrison was doing. (Given his propensity for last-minute rewrites, Grant Morrison himself probably has a hard time always figuring out what Grant Morrison is doing. And yet, a Grant Morrison Batman or Superman comic is still pretty much a license to print money and/or Eisners, so DC editorial seems to have bet on the right horse.)

I personally have enjoyed some of the DCnU, and have bought more comics because of it. I intend to buy more trades too. Even though I’ve been reading comics for over 20 years, I’m no continuity hound and can take it or leave it (mostly leave it, as I’ve actually enjoyed all of DC’s attempts to retcon over the years–usually a great excuse for some insane cosmic story which gloriously and un-self-consciously makes absolutely no sense). I don’t see any problem with DC keeping what was working/selling (Batman, Green Lantern) and freshen up concepts that weren’t (basically everything else). So as far as this reader is concerned, mission accomplished DC!

Finally, if Lobdell and Rocafort manage to bring half of the Hong Kong cinema-style batshit craziness they’d been executing in Red Hood to Superman, Morrison will have some keen competition when it comes to taking the character into fresh territory.

To everyone who says Perez’s writing was awful, consider that what you read was run through the corporate meat grinder BEFORE you read it. Not to say that George’s plans would have resulted in great stories, but we’ll never know because none of us read it BEFORE it was (as he alleges) mismanged.

I think it was also a case of DC wanting to use his name and fanbase to make money, but then not letting him write it the way he planned (it seems, without much of a plan themselves). So NOT the way to do it, DC! An added bonus for DC is that they can now “blame” one of their classic creators, who basically set the style for decades, for the problems because “he’s old and out of touch”. UUUGH!

you’re right @Briel, about Kurt Busiek’s Superman being just perfect. Really such a shame they just handed him over to Geoff Johns. But I guess a lot of readers like the kind of writing Geoff Johns does.

I actually got to spend a few minutes talking to George at the Pittsburgh Comic-Con back in April, and he genuinely seemed frustrated about what happened with this book. What I came away with is that he knew there might be some problems going in due to the nature of the reboot and that basically Morrison was the one doing the backstory, so he was going to have to work around all that, but he wanted to give it a shot because, direct quote: “Hey, it’s Superman.” It came across to me that he had an enthusiasm for the project that went far beyond it just being his latest assignment.

As an aside, George had a really bad head cold while at the con and despite being obviously under the weather, he was very upbeat and personable with all the fans, signing books and doing sketches for several hours when he could’ve easily used that as an excuse to cut his time short or cancelled outright. This is exactly the kind of creator you want working for you and representing your brand: consumate pro all the way. He was very diplomatic about talking about the situation, too, stressing the point that he was just glad to get out of the assignment rather than pointing fingers at guilty parties, but it’s a shame he didn’t get a chance to really have a fair shot at it and had to suffer through some really scathing comments about the quality of work that wasn’t representative of what he had planned in the first place. That takes a lot of backbone to sit there and take those slings and arrows for a story that had his name on it but wasn’t what he had sat down and written in the first place.

The gameplan for Superman sounds completely flawed from the beginning. Grant Morrison has all the advantages. He can make life a living hell for the writer of the “Superman” title by simply not allowing them to write stories they want to write. He can say “No I want to tell this story somewhere down the line.” without a basic outline of major story-lines set up for his run how can the writer of the “Superman” title know what the hell he/she can or cannot do? Yes, it is Morrison’s responsibility to SHARE his outline with others. They are CO-WORKERS. It is also the responsibility of the editor to have that outline from Morrison to tell the other writer what he/she can and cannot do. It’s simple. There should be do’s and don’ts and the other writer shouldn’t have a list of all don’ts and nothing original he can do. Morrison should have to let the other writer do some things creatively to bring in an audience. The way it sounds now it’s setup for the writer of the “Superman” title to fail. Who can work under that condition other than a complete hack? Certainly not somebody as creative as George Perez.

Whatever happened to working together? Morrison should be on the same team as others working on the Superman titles. And if he is (to be fair) the editor needs to do his job of making sure the writer of Superman knows what he can and cannot do. There have always been controlling editors. It’s basically what they are paid to do. They are supposed to bring out the best of the talent and supress the worst. Somewhere along the way it seems editors took over story-telling mandating things based on personal interest instead of what’s best for the character or story. Then there are those that just don’t give a damn. Whoever edits the Superman titles sure seems like the latter.

There have been some inconsistencies in the New52 (Batman’s Robins all 3 of which, not counting Damien, have all been trained and grown up in a space of 5 years. So basically almost every year there is a new Robin (figuring Batman had a year going solo). This is where the semi-reboot fails and a complete reboot would have done much better. Then again outside of that the Batman line has probably never been better. Batman, Detective, Batman: The Dark Knight, Batman & Robin, Nightwing, Batwing hell even Batgirl are all titles I look forward to when they come out every month. Less so with Catwoman, Birds Of Prey, Red Hood & The Outlaws and Batwoman. The Superman titles are the worst line in the DC52 line. Only Superboy & Action have held my interest. Superman has been handicapped because the writers have no clue what they can and cannot do based on whatever Morrison MIGHT do or not. JLI I was disappointed it got canceled but it didn’t have a strong lineup. Booster Gold and Guy Gardner yeah but everyone else on that team was a fail and Batwing didn’t even get a proper chance to intergrate. If they do another JLI-like title they need to use some of the unused Justice League or Justice Society members – Shazam, Green Arrow, Martian Manhunter (who’s days are numbered in Stormwatch I think) and plenty of other big names but not quite top-tier like Superman-Batman-Wonder Woman. Red Tornado. Hawkman, Firestorm etc. Also it would be nice to see a Titans team (not the teen titans) of Wally West, Nightwing, Raven etc).

I’m sure there are plans in the works to improve things. Hopefully it will happen soon. The shifting creative teams are part of the problem. Just when I get used to one they are gone. Superman needs stability. I also agree that making him too “all-powerful” makes him near impossible to write. He needs to have physical weakness outside of Kryptonite. His strength as a character is his humanity and he gets that from the Kents and Lois (who are all unfortunately given the brush-off as they try to make Superman too God-like). Superman is best used when not exactly impervious/God-like but when he overcomes odds. I’m not saying do away with powers. Just don’t make him powerful to the point where he becomes boring. His strength is in character (he cares about people), his coolness is in powers, his humanity is in his family and loved ones. Without any of those he isn’t truly Superman.

That’s a damning indictment of the New52′s editorial policy right there. I’ve dissed Marvel’s general direction a lot this past year but at least their direction, if it is the wrong one, is consistent and planned out. Looks like DC still haven’t learnt the lessons they should have about universe-continuity from the last 50 years of Marvel comics.

Poor George but it’s crap like this makes me so glad I don’t read DC anymore.

Vincent: “That’s my George! I knew he had more heart than those at the helm of DC. can’t say i blame leaving after what they have done to the heroes in the new 52 blasphemy.”

He didn’t leave DC, though…he just left Superman. Now he’s pencilling World’s Finest.

What I find really surprising considering how frustarted Perez is working at DC is that no one else has snapped him up. He stated his one foray into creator-owned work lost him a ton of money so we can’t expect him to go the Image route, but why doesn’t Dark Horse snap him up for a serial in Dark Horse Presents (he’d certainly fit in alongside the likes of Howard Chaykin and Neal Adams), or IDW bring him over to do licensed material and new creative ventures (i.e. “the John Byrne route”).

Defiance-Defiant: “and to those who state people hate superman, we don’t. -we just hate the god powered version who can break planets. nothing can kill him, so there’s no point in reading about a character that always wins. .& that cant be hurt. its disgusting.”

Um, John Byrne got rid of that version of Superman almost 30 years ago.

Chris: “My thoughts last September I stick by, Superman needed fresh legs and a new audience so they gave the assignment to Grant and it worked. BUT they did not want to loose the long term faithful, and thus they gave Superman to the older writer, and not Snyder, or Lemire.”

Agreed…Superman hasn’t really been “Superman” since “New Krypton,” which was what, 4 years ago? Superman didn’t need to be completely overhauled, though, he just needed to be brought back to basics, and the fiddling around they’ve done in the New 52 is anything but that.

Morrison and Johns are the only two that matter. Every other writer has to bend to their will. And they must be HAPPY about it. How DARE Perez conform without a zip-a-dee-doo-dah smile on his face!

I just find it funny that the new 52 Superman is “younger” and “edgier” to appeal to a new audience.

I mean really…is this going to change people’s opinion on Superman? He will never be as “edgy” as Wolverine or Batman so no point in trying to do that. He is what he is, period.

Superman doesn’t need to change. All DC needs to do is find the right writer who understands the character and its universe. But they did it in a rush so that’s why the Superman series is sucking big time. Anyone read his fight against Hellspont? Boring as hell.

And I don’t hate Morrison, but his Action Comics is just as impenetrable as his Batman run was. I can’t picture the casual reader being able to pick one issue and understanding anything AT ALL.

@David
“Morrison and Johns are the only two that matter”

Morrison, Lemire and Snyder – OK

Johns – I don’t think so…
Justice League is a TERRIBLE comic

Matthew Halteman

June 26, 2012 at 9:29 am

Jonathan, you appear to have missed my point, so I’ll just re-post what I said before:

“Going back and reading the stories that were referenced was something that you COULD do (if you could find them), but it wasn’t something that you HAD to do. Modern comics are not like that.”

To further clarify, I am not saying that continuity should be disregarded. In fact, I agree that a character’s history enriches and deepens that character’s appeal. I am saying that writers need to be aware of new readers picking up any issue of a comic book and give those readers the necessary information in order to follow along.

Comic book writers used to be able to do this, in the story. Now all we get is a one-page info-dump (in Marvel books, anyway) that isn’t always as informative or helpful as it should be.

Again, your attitude of “Don’t ruin it for the few of us who have been following along for years” is KILLING THE INDUSTRY.

Brian from Canada

June 26, 2012 at 9:48 am

Superman isn’t edgier — he’s returning to his roots. In the 40s, he was a social crusader, and the best issues of Lois Lane in the 60s are when she’s also pointing out social issues.

The TV aspect is also a classic: prior to the “Crisis” relaunch, Clark was an anchorman. Perez even pencilled some of those issues, so he would know this and probably brought it back in because it makes more sense that at least SOMEONE in the Daily Planet would be enticed to TV.

Where the problem is lies with WB needing to make a “darker, edgier” world around Superman so that it fits their new film, much in the same way as the post-”Crisis” Gotham City became grittier and more stylized in preparation for Tim Burton’s version.

SOMEONE at WB thinks making the movies and comics all like Nolan’s successful Batman films will do what it has to — but they haven’t realized DC’s success is diversity in tone, not Marvel’s similarity.

Johns’ characterization of pretty much all of the characters is particularly bad in Justice League. Batman is revealing his identity to a complete stranger for no reason. Darkseid is reduced to your average alien invader and a brute. Green Arrow is just a doofus and Billy Batson is just a jerk.

Geez de Fetal!!!!

I for one am diggin the new Billy Batson. Captain Marvel (oops, Shazam) has always been one of the cheesiest characters in DC. That change is very welcome to me.

Bob Harras Editor-in-Chief… Scott Lobdell on Superman… Liefeld on three books… horrible costume designs complete with shoulder pads…

The 90s are back!
(Does anyone remember Marvel’s 90′s bankruptcy)?

>> They did. Kurt Busiek’s Superman was perfect.>>

Thanks!

>>Then he got removed so Geoff Johns could do whatever he wanted.>>

No, I got “removed” because TRINITY had four deadlines a week and with that added to my workload, I couldn’t handle SUPERMAN, too. At first, we thought I’d be able to manage both, but I just couldn’t.

Working with Geoff was a ton of fun — Geoff came up to my area for a few days early on, when we framed out the “Up, Up and Away” arc, and that was one of the most creatively enjoyable experiences I’ve had.

Final result came out pretty well too, I think.

kdb

Matthew Halteman

June 26, 2012 at 1:50 pm

Mr. Busiek, how DARE you come on this message board and post a reasonable, level-headed post without calling anyone a name or casting aspersions on anyone’s character!

What do you think you are, a PROFESSIONAL or something!

Good day, sir!

(Can’t wait for more “Astro City” and the debut of “Witchlands” (which I do hope is still happening). Hope you’re feeling better, too).

DC-Where the inmates run the asylum.

Just a note: I have NEVER felt ‘alientated’ by a book’s long history/continuity when picking it up for the first time. NEVER.

It was great knowing there was history to discover; my son does that now, ‘researching’ his fav heroes.

This New DC52 universe? It has no such history to discover, since we can’t know what is or isn’t included from previous runs. BTW, to the poster above who says all of Batman’s history remains, that cannot be so, since apparently Shiva is a 21 year old now and Cass Cain and Steph Brown don’t exist.

The characters seem vaguely familiar but without established gravitas are far less interesting.

Have George Perez draw the Flash! Please! I’ve been wanting Mr. Perez to pencil Flash since the early eighties. He makes him look soooo cool!

One word, micro-management. When you don’t allow artists to be creative, it stops being art. I subscribed to 15 DC titles before the New 52; now just 2. The New 52 was nothing but to drive up sales. DC has enjoyed the newer readers, but for most of my generation (over 40) aren’t pleased with the New 52. Poor plots, making things up as they go along is no way to write a story. Sounds like liars telling tall tales and then contradicting what they said earlier. DC has screwed their loyal readers for new readers. I don’t know if I’ll go back to many of their titles again because its unstable. Now Rob Liefeld leaves too. This surely a sign of a sinking ship, but it can be salvaged with some timeline alteration.

you know what they need?
They need a bastard like Mort Weisinger who has a tight rain over his Creators.
He kep Superman in line dring all those years he was the best selling comic character of them all, troughout the Sixties, he would kick Grant ‘i’m so intelligent i don’t understand myself’ Morrison so hard up his ass he could kiss Morts foot and then start writing good Superman stories or get anotherr job (i mean, there has to be a reason Marvel doesn’t ask him to do any stuff for them).

I’ve honestly given up on Marvel and DC for the time being. They want to know why they’re sales aren’t looking so good? It’s because the product is mediocre. The execs keep taking the stories in bad directions.

Thank God for indie comics. Gives me something to read.

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