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Florida fundamentalist group targets Marvel, retailers over Astonishing X-Men #51

Declaring Marvel has “crossed the line,” a Florida fundamentalist group has launched an email campaign in an effort to convince the publisher, parent company Disney and retailers to pull from distribution Astonishing X-Men #51, the June issue that depicts the much-publicized wedding of Northstar and Kyle Jinadu.

Asserting that the comic “asks kids to fantasize about having their own same-sex nuptials,” the Florida Family Association laments on its website “that the comic strip actually has a blank wedding that children can use to make their own same-sex wedding. Talk about propaganda.” That’s a reference to the Phil Noto variant cover (above), which depicts wedding photos of 10 heterosexual superhero couples, as well as Northstar and Kyle.

In a call to “take action,” the organization encourages supporters to send a form email to Marvel, Disney and retailers stating that it is “shameful that two companies like Marvel and Disney would deliberately create a superhero homosexual wedding for our children to embrace and mimic. These companies should show more respect to the overwhelming majority of families who do not want their children targeted with immoral social propaganda through comics.”

The FFA targets a dozen Disney and Marvel executives and editors, providing email addresses for the likes of Isaac Perlmutter, Kevin Feige, Robert Iger, Axel Alonso and Tom Brevoort, and singles out Midtown Comics, Lone Star Comics and Comic Book Resources. Within a four-hour period Monday night, CBR received more than 500 identical emails from different addresses.

It’s a familiar tactic by the Florida Family Association, a Tampa-based nonprofit organization whose sole paid employee is founder David Caton, whom The New York Times described last year as an account turned rock-club owner turned born-again Christian. The former executive director of the American Family Association, which launched its own unsuccessful campaign against gay storylines in Marvel and DC Comics titles, Caton appears preoccupied with the perceived dangers of homosexuality, pornography and Islam, spearheading efforts against high school gay-straight alliances and television shows like Degrassi High, Modern Family and All-American Muslim.

Although its website boasts that the FFA “is made up of THOUSANDS OF SUPPORTERS across America who share in the same goal of improving America’s moral environment,” Wajahat Ali of the liberal research group Center for American Progress disputes the claim, telling The Times, “It’s literally one dude with a poorly made Web site, one fringe individual with an e-mail list.”

Here’s the text of the FFA’s form email to Marvel, Disney and retailers:

Please pull X-Men #51 which promotes and asks kids to fantasize about homosexual marriage.

Marvel’s X-Men #51 comic issue has crossed the line by attempting to legitimize same-sex marriage and asking kids to fantasize about their own homosexual wedding.

It is shameful that two companies like Marvel and Disney would deliberately create a superhero homosexual wedding for our children to embrace and mimic.

PLEASE have more respect for the overwhelming majority of families who do not want their children targeted with immoral propaganda through comics.

My family and I urge your company to pull X-Men #51 from distribution.

I look forward to your response.

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Ignoring the obvious stupidity here, don’t they know kids aren’t the primary readers of comics any more?

You have it right, FFA is one guy. Not that dissimilar from Bill Donahue/Catholic League.

Please keep up the support. Astonishing #51 was such a nice issue I bought some of the art. Just a nice moment.

Don’t they realize that gay marriages are already happening? Comics have always reflected current events. The X-men were created with many parallels to the gay community (people trying to exist and be happy in a world that fears and hates them). Maybe this group would be better served by looking at their own lives and trying to support rather than undermine others.

The only people who really know that kids are no longer the primary audience for comics are the people who read them and the people who make them who, all told, make up an infinitesimally small percentage of the population.

It’s shameful that Marvel is encouraging kids to have their own super-hero cosplay weddings.

Christopher G

July 10, 2012 at 7:28 am

I am actually using their website to send PRO Gay Marriage emails to Marvel and Disney since they allow you to modify the message title and the body of the message. I’ve encouraged all my facebook friends to do the same. It’s always nice when you can turned close-minded views around. Thanks for making it so easy FFA!!!!

If we are going by this same logic, does that mean that playing Call of Duty encourages kids to start shooting everybody? Or that watching Spider-Man encourages them to start jumping from rooftops or climbing walls? Or that watching Will & Grace reruns will make them gay?

Newsflash: By the time kids are entering puberty, between the ages of 10-13, they already have sexual desires and those desires are already defined. They either like boys or girls or both, period.

Thinking that an X-Men comic turns people gay it’s bordering on stupidity.

I also expect to see a severe spike in alien weddings, fish-people weddings and little girls dreaming of marrying the sentient android from the other side of town. The one I literally cannot accept is Quicksilver. She’s literally Inhuman, dude!

actually if you think about it why would marvel actually leave a blank space for children to draw or put gay
marriage I find this very concerning because I definitely won’t want to raise a GAY child I’m a christian and love comics but I’m against all the gay superheroes this is utterly wrong and disgusting and I would not love to see my son on bed with another man I still don’t see why a great country like the United States would support such nonsense

So what you are telling me is that my son can cosplay as batman while his friend superman and then let me as a parent support it and everyone on this forum that supports this nonsense should Listen “WOULD YOU BE HAPPY IF YOUR SON TURNED OUT TO BE GAY”

Apparently, this guy has no idea how comic distribution works. Besides, they’re not fantasizing about the gay wedding just because it’s there (not that there’s anything wrong with them if they do); the variant cover has like 10 other super hero weddings to pick from!

Wow that’s guy in the FFA sounds pretty gay

1) Has this group noticed that the only wedding photo on the cover that is homosexual is Northstar’s? There is nothing suggesting that the new “photo” should be “homosexual.”

2) Even if it did encourage a same-sex marriage, that should widely accepted. Even if one’s bronze age superstitions keeps them from approving, that should have no bearing on what other private citizens can do with their lives.

ThunderMonkey

July 10, 2012 at 7:37 am

Where was this group to protest an Android marrying a mutant? Hmm?

Who cares? The issue was completely awful.

Emmanuel:

Do you actually believe that blank spot is for children to draw their own marriage? How many retailers actually ordered that variant anyway? If they got it, I’m pretty sure it’d be out of any kid’s price range. I notice you don’t have an issue with The Scarlet Witch marrying The Vision. Am I to assume you’re pro Synthezoid/Human marriage?

Regardless, why do you care so much? It’s your kid, why not explain this stuff to them? Why is it the responsibility of media companies to shield your children from the realities of life and society?

If you’re a troll, 7/10, you got me to respond.

Emmanuel: regardless of being gay or not, your kid is not here in this world for the sole purpose of pleasing you. Every person has their own desires and they have to be respected.

Its incredibly selfish of you to think “I would not be happy if my kid turned out to be gay”. Tough luck, your happiness is your own problem, not your kid’s.

ThunderMonkey

July 10, 2012 at 7:43 am

Wait a second… there a black person marrying a white person?!? Shameful.

Didn’t a human marry an alien in some sort of afterlife type ceremony (Swordsman and Mantis)? Wait… that’s Mormonism, never mind.

@Emmanual The blank space is there so you can have a marvel artist draw a sketch….NOT for little kids to draw their fantasies of gay marriage.

Also
1. who cares what people do in their own lives

2. if you are gay you were born that way…NOONE chooses to be teased and bullied their whole lives. IF you end up having a gay child, please love them because they were born that way. They didn’t become gay because they read that everyones favorite X-Man, Northstar, got married to a dude.

3. Kids don’t read comics anymore…..at least a very very VERY small percentage of comic readers are under 18 years old. They are all busy playing Call of Duty on XBox Live calling everyone racial and homophobic slurs

And while it would be jarring learning my child is gay, I’d still love and support my child with all my heart. And I’d know they would of gotten it from my wife’s side and NOT by reading X-Men ; )

Did anyone else find Emmanuel’s post really, really hilarious?

Also sad. Hilarious and sad.

Emmanuel – so you’d rather see your son in bed with a woman? My advice to you would be not to shield your son from Astonishing X-Men #51 but butt out of your son’s future sex life.

I think its hilarious that this organization is protesting this as a morally corrupting practice while not addressing anything about violence or the portrayal of women in comic books instead. As someone in a legal same-sex marriage, there is nothing violent or vile about a wedding. These groups have their right to an opinion, but focusing on banning everything that relates to gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender issues from the world is the wrong approach. The right approach is to address personal responsibility, decision-making, and critical thinking when it comes to marriage in general and engaging in a relationship that includes sex as a component. These groups seem blind to the reality that divorce is up and marriage rates are down in the USA. Teen pregnancy is at a 3 year low. But these groups seem to believe that protesting a comic book or a movie or a campaign for responsible practice of safe sex or the wedding of human beings is the real threat to society’s moral compass. But again, media attention is all these groups want so they can get that much needed influx of cash for their coffers.

Glenn Simpson

July 10, 2012 at 7:50 am

While this whole argument is deeply stenched in stupidity, I will make the following points for clarity:

As mentioned, nobody knows comics aren’t targeted at kids. Although if there was ever a valid need to respond to one of these things, I’d love for the challege by the publisher be that the complainers prove that children are actually being exposed to the product instead of just assuming it.

I don’t think people who don’t know comics are aware that the other photos are of other super-hero weddings. They would be interpreted as other guests at the gay wedding.

People who are opposed to gay weddings might understand that people are gay, but they think gay people should hide their gay-ness, in the same way a pedophile should resist his or her urges. *Not saying that’s right*, but just to point out that saying “people are gay, get over it” doesn’t actually respond to the haters’ issues.

“Where was this group to protest an Android marrying a mutant? Hmm?”

They were busy protesting the interracial marriage also prominently featured on this cover.

“If we are going by this same logic, does that mean that playing Call of Duty encourages kids to start shooting everybody? Or that watching Spider-Man encourages them to start jumping from rooftops or climbing walls? Or that watching Will & Grace reruns will make them gay?”

I guess you missed the last two or three decades where, yes, groups like this have latched on to every single one of these idiotic notions. Also rock music, that’s killing America.

“actually if you think about it why would marvel actually leave a blank space for children to draw or put gay
marriage”

Good point, let’s just get rid of paper entirely, just in case our kids collectively start drawing gay things.

“because I definitely won’t want to raise a GAY child”

Well, I’ve got good news for you, sir: multiple studies have shown that people do not “raise” gay children, they just give birth to them. So, if your kids turn out to be gay, it’s not because you didn’t “raise them right,” your DNA just happened to be genetically predisposed to being physically attracted to other men.

“I would not love to see my son on bed with another man”

I wouldn’t either. I also would not love to see my daughter in bed with a man OR woman. Because I’m not a skeevy perv.

Conversely, I’d be fine showing up to my daughter’s wedding whether it was with a man or woman. Heck, if nothing else, turning out gay would save me the trouble of having to worry about one of those pesky teen pregnancies down the line, I am a practical man after all.

I’m more bothered by that android/human couple they have in there. Androids and humans (even if it is a mutant) should not be allowed to marry. Sure give them their civil unions but marriage is between one homo sapien and another. What they show there is BLASPHEMY I tell you?!?!?! Damn all this propaganda!!!!!

I do wonder if they noticed that though haha Are they ok with androids more than gay people?

I find it so funny that those people who are opposing gay marriage claim that they have the right to voice their opinions and that everyone must respect their beliefs.

First of all, its pretty hard to respect someone’s beliefs when they violate the rights of an individual. I bet there were a lot of “Christians” back then who felt that black people should not be allowed to do many things that any normal person should be allowed to do.

Second of all, I wonder if they also respect the beliefs of Muslims or Jews as they want theirs to be respected.

@ Emmanuel
I dont care if my child is gay.
As long as they are health & happy
That should be your only concern. They could be in a straight relationship & things could also go wrong.
They could be beaten & harmed by the person they love or care about. straight or gay.

“I notice you don’t have an issue with The Scarlet Witch marrying The Vision. Am I to assume you’re pro Synthezoid/Human marriage? ”

Hey now, Scarlet Witch is a mutant. If we’re going to point out the various awful/deviant practices going on on this cover, let’s accurately portray how immoral they are.

Personally, I’m tempted to buy a copy just to draw a Rocket Raccoon/John Stewart wedding on it. Same sex/interspecies/interdimensional/interracial weddings are like the worst. Plus, I bet Rocket Raccoon probably qualifies as a midget or something.

As a 55 year old Gay Man, Married to a wonderful Soul Mate, and as a comics reader since 1963, ALL I CAN SAY IS WHAT A LOAD OF EVIL, SMALL MINDED, HORSECRAP. I have nephews that love comics, were brought up to understand the diff b’twn a comic book and real life, and to understand the true meaning that Love Makes A Family. I applaud Marvel and look forward to more such interesting high points in the comics industry. As for DC’s Earth-2 story line, my heart broke over Alan Scott losing his love so soon into the introduction of these characters. I hope he finds someone who deserves him.

I changed the email letting all the companies that the email goes to know about how I support the comic and then I send him an email thanking him for having such a nice setup so I can let them know how much I liked the comic

“First of all, its pretty hard to respect someone’s beliefs when they violate the rights of an individual. I bet there were a lot of “Christians” back then who felt that black people should not be allowed to do many things that any normal person should be allowed to do. ”

This is, to date, one of my all time favorite memes:

http://weknowmemes.com/2012/05/imagine-how-stupid-you-are-going-to-look-in-40-years/

Moose N. Squirrel

July 10, 2012 at 8:05 am

What I find hilarious is that the FFA doesn’t know that Northstar is from Canada where it is perfectly legal for homosexuals to get married.

Also. The FFA is completely unaware the underling theme of X-men has been acceptance of those considered different or mutants. So even now, X-men is continuing to unsher readers into a world of civil rights that all started back in the 60′s.

ThunderMonkey

July 10, 2012 at 8:06 am

The Florida group has the right to voice their belief and I’ll defend their right to do it. However, I do NOT have to respect their belief. Especially, if I think it’s based upon some half thought-out ideal that has little or no basis in the reality that I and the majority of the humans live in.

@ Jonathan

You’re right! Although, wasn’t Scarlet Witch depowered after M Day? She got her powers back in Children’s Crusade or something, right? I was under the impression that the removal of the mutant gene left her powerless.

Hahaha great idea Christopher G!!!! I just went ahead and did the same thing. =)

@ Jonathan: exactly. Most “Christians” are bigoted, close-minded individuals who do not embrace any kind of change.

And I say this with authority because I was born and raised a Catholic.

I too took the opportunity to use their site to send my own version of this form letter to their distribution list.

“Bravo to Marvel’s X-Men #51 comic issue as an attempt to champion same-sex marriage.

It is shameful that two companies like Marvel and Disney have taken so long create a superhero homosexual wedding in a manner that makes it easy for our children to embrace. Furthermore, it would be more meaningful to see a characters homosexuality as something other than THE defining characteristic of that character. It is something that should just be accepted. This could easily be done by showing the character dating and living life rather than making it the focus of the story as was done in this issue.

PLEASE have more respect for the overwhelming majority of families who want their children to grow up tolerant of the multiple cultures throughout both America and the world.

My family and I urge your company to continue to promote X-Men #51 and to continue creating comic books that push the idea of social tolerance.

I look forward to your response.”

It’s always amusing when homosexuality is ‘discussed’ on a comic book message board.

Actually Im sick and tired of the whole “Put more minorities into comic books” discussion.

All I want is good stories, I don’t care if they feature an All-Arab team or an Asian supergroup or a bunch of pink aliens.

Sick sick sick of this.

“You’re right! Although, wasn’t Scarlet Witch depowered after M Day? She got her powers back in Children’s Crusade or something, right? I was under the impression that the removal of the mutant gene left her powerless.”

Not quite. It was presumed she was depowered based on Hawkeye’s interaction with her. However, that turned out to be a Doombot and she’d never actually been depowered.

“exactly. Most “Christians” are bigoted, close-minded individuals who do not embrace any kind of change. ”

Now, that’s not entirely fair. I know plenty of Christians who are entirely tolerant of homosexuality and various other alternative lifestyles. Heck, there’s more than a few churches out here (Boston area) who will actually perform same sex ceremonies.

Much like we don’t let the minority dictate our views of homosexuals as a whole, let’s not let the vocal minority dictate our view of Christianity as a whole.

I just find it ironically fitting that a bigoted group wants to pull an issue of X-Men off the shelves, when X-Men was always about anti-bigotry and accepting people that are different. And then aliens and resurrections and whatnot, but the anti-bigotry thing is still in there somewhere.

@ Jonathan: I said “most”, not all of them. But yes, I still believe “most” active christians are close-minded because, at the end of the day, its the very nature of the religion. Like most religions out there, they defend conservative values and thats the whole concept of it.

If the Catholic church suddenly decides to embrace homossexuality, well…its not gonna be the Catholic church anymore, is it? They might as well call themselves something else. I dont think thats ever gonna happen, at least not in my lifetime.

My favorite thing about this is that it took TWO MEN GETTING MARRIED before these people noticed a pro-gay message in X-Men.

Never mind that the comics spent the bulk of the 1990′s on an extended arc about a mysterious and deadly virus that initially only affected mutants but then spread to the general poplation.

Never mind that the third X-Men film’s plot revolved around the idea of a “cure” for mutants and whether or not that was ethical.

Never mind that the openly gay star of that movie did multiple interviews where he EXPLICITLY MADE THE CONNECTION between mutants and gays.

Literally anything short of TWO MEN GETTING MARRIED is too subtle for these fundamentalist groups.

(Ironic, actually, given their tendency to jump at shadows and declare that they’ve discovered homosexual undertones in things as innocuous as Teletubbies.)

“I said “most”, not all of them. But yes, I still believe “most” active christians are close-minded because, at the end of the day, its the very nature of the religion.”

No, it isn’t. The very basis of religion is a shared system of beliefs, no more, no less. Therefore it is malleable based upon the social norms of any particular era.

As an example, the Catholic church had previously disallowed both interracial marriage and divorce entirely. Both of those practices are now routinely accepted by the church.

Frankly, I find your liberal use of the word “most” with regards to something that is clearly predicated entirely on conjecture and anecdotal experience a bit flimsy at best and incredibly hypocritical at worst.

Get over it fundamentalists! You have lost the culture war against gays. I’m not sure what “vast majority” you’re referring to but the writing is on the wall for your backward bigoted point of view. Your kids will be embarrassed by your hatred, and most of them will raise tolerant, if not inclusive families.

I found it kind of sad, they say they are worried about how their children will grow up, and they are expending more time harassing disney and marvel, than educating their children.
Comic books, VG, etc dont raise up kids, parents DO.
Emmanuel: I’ll be there for my kid, i don’t care if he/she is gay. That’s what parents are for.
If you think being gay is going to make you ashamed of your son, then you have no right to call yourself a parent.

@ Jonathan: well man, if more open-minded Christians were speaking their mind about these subjects maybe I would not be feeling this way.

And like I said, Im a Catholic and I spent my childhood in a Catholic school and I had Bible classes and all.

does this guy really think marvel and the retailers by now are going to give into him the issue is already out and all his protest is doing is helping it by causing some to buy it due to its controvery for the group needs to accept their cause is a losing in the end battle.

No mention of Charles Xavier cavorting with an illegal alien?

“And like I said, Im a Catholic and I spent my childhood in a Catholic school and I had Bible classes and all.”

To be honest, my guess is that this experience is a big part of what’s coloring your view. My mother is the same way, she has a rather hostile view towards organized religion due to her distaste for her Catholic School upbringing.

As a result, I myself was raised without any real religious leaning. I think I was baptized and documented as Roman Catholic or something, but I’ve only ever actually attended one church service in my life.

As a teenager, however, I did routinely attend a youth group run out of the local Protestant Church on afternoons. There was voluntary prayer at dinner time and we did occasionally tackle biblical questions and religious concepts, but it was primarily set up as a place for teens to go after school.

A good fourth of those attending were gay or bi-curious and maybe half of us were either agnostic (Like myself) or outright Atheist. None of that mattered, the church accepted us all and never once preached against who we were. Mind you, this was before I lived in Boston, I was living in NH, not exactly known for being the most enlightened state in the union.

At the same time, there was a Baptist Church in town which was completely intolerant of counterculture of any kind (We’re talking textbook Dirty Dancing town types). Our school used to hold one of those annual day of silences for supporting awareness of gay rights and those involved in the Baptist Church were completely unsympathetic and awful towards those who chose to participate.

What I learned from both ends of that was that, just because someone falls under an organized religion’s umbrella does not mean they’re not tolerant of peoples’ beliefs. In my life, I’ve run into far more religious leaning individuals who are open to new ideas than people who weren’t. Again, same as you, this is all anecdotal, but I think it’s worth your time to consider that it goes both ways and just because your experience has been dominated by intolerant christians doesn’t means that most christians are intolerant.

“No mention of Charles Xavier cavorting with an illegal alien?”

I’m reasonably sure Lilandra’s never spent more than a few weeks at a time on Earth at any point. SWORD probably issues VISAs or something for that.

I’m more concerned with the fact she’s a bird alien hybrid thingy. Interspecies, yo.

That’s nothing to say of the whole Bishop/Deathbird thing throwing interracial into the mix.

Good for them! I’m so tired of Hollywood-type companies pushing a social agenda. It’s also a vane attempt at making Northstar an interesting character.

Wouldn’t be easier for them to just not buy the comic?

Oh wait. That would take common sense.

Guys

Attempting to subvert the message does not work.

I sent a supportive message via the hate website and they sent the original text.

Re: Christopher G

Nice idea BUT…..

I tried re-writing the FFA mail into a message of support too but the reply I got from Midtown Comics was responding to the original hate-mail.

Apparently they can default back to the original message and have it still be from you.

If they wanted to object to the comic, how about objecting to the fact that it was largely really boring to read? The longtime complaint about many wedding comics is that they’re always interrupted by some big baddie, and it descends into chaos.

Not this one. Marvel did a bang-up job of creating an authentic wedding experience. By that I mean you show up, have a nice “Congratulations, good for you guys” moment with the groom and groom, and then it’s over. All the media hype and protests are absurd. It wasn’t exciting! It didn’t make kids go “I want that!” If anything kids went, “Man, I wish Wolverine would slice somebody up… this is boring!”

It’s what Marvel wants. Controversy. Regardless of the company’s collected opinion of gay marriage, they had to anticipate somebody taking the bait creating some sort of controversy, which means free publicity.

are you kidding me?
1: he’s waaaay late to the game. everyone been knew that they were gonna put out this variant.

2: kids don’t read comics anymore. they watch cartoons and get butchered versions of classic comic book heroes

3:: @ Emanuel: you’ve read comics before and I assume you know about the state of comics and its readers now. so you’re complaining about this, and yet there are multiple comic books where there’s flat out nudity, profanity through out multiple pages, and people being mutilated, bleeding out, and heads getting chopped off, but you’re not alright with this? you don’t have to buy the books you know, but I’m scared for your kids if any of them begin to say “I’m gay”

“If they wanted to object to the comic, how about objecting to the fact that it was largely really boring to read?”

You didn’t really expect these people to actually read what they’re protesting against, did you?

its amazing…the issue has been out for a month already and still is getting press. Marvel, I’m sure is enjoying it. But seriously – at the end of the day – the gay “marriage” thing is gonna happen. Those that can’t cope…that’s your choice. But its gonna happen.

With many before me – I echo your statements of kids aren’t the ones reading comics anymore and my God, Marvel has been doing “blank” covers on MANY of their books as a Variant. The ignorance of thinking that area is for a kid to draw a “gay marriage” theme is just insane in its own right.

IF parents don’t want to take the time and explain things to their kids – instead of making it everyone else’s responsiblity – the world might be a better place. Having serious but mindful conversations about sex as a whole – isnt’ being done (probably)…so, it just really blows my mind how so many out there speak one thing, but mean something else. If you have a gay phobia – fine, stay in your own closet and deal with it…but many out there are finally opening up and realizing – these people exist and ain’t going anywhere…and letting them have the same rights and capability that many, disregard easily, should have as well.

In closing – we are on this rock for a short period of time. Try to love more, hate less…

I think the funniest part of all of this actually is that, given the way Marvel has been about naming and numbering titles in the recent future, the email is (if taken incredibly literally) complaining either about a comic from 1968, one from 1996 (right before Onslaught, I believe), or one that hasn’t been published yet. But perhaps I just like being a technical a$$hole.

Erik Bigglestone

July 10, 2012 at 11:10 am

PLEASE READ THIS!

I tried to use FFA’s form to send my own edited message, pointing out the hypocrisy of protesting only the same-sex marriage aspect rather than any other morally questionable (by FFA standards) behavior in any of Disney or Marvel’s products, but received an autoresponse from one of the addressees quoting FFA’s original default text. So as it turns out, my name has just been associated with FFA’s message, and it is likely anyone else who tried the same thing has now inadvertently expressed support for its cause.

On the one hand, it’s my own fault for trusting that an organization disseminating such bigoted, hateful messages will honor its item saying “You may also modify the subject or message text if you wish.” On the other hand, their dishonest misdirection means they have fraudulently used my name and email address (and anyone else doing the same) to make it look like I said something I never did, which may open them to a class action suit.

So is it really “… one dude with a poorly made website …”, or one dude with a cleverly made form?

Jake Earlewine

July 10, 2012 at 2:57 pm

I think we should burn all the bibles, since they tell how Lot had incest with his daughters. I think the bible has crossed the line regarding incest. We wouldn’t want anyone who reads the bible to get the wrong idea…

@Erik and everyone else who got duped: That really sucks, I feel for you guys.

I love how the first line says “Please PULL X-men #51…”

Obviously, this guy is not a regular comic reader. I can’t get it out of my head that he is asking all these bigwigs to put X-men on their pull list.

I feel pretty prescient right now:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/10/us/episcopal-same-sex-unions/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

“No, it isn’t. The very basis of religion is a shared system of beliefs, no more, no less. Therefore it is malleable based upon the social norms of any particular era.

As an example, the Catholic church had previously disallowed both interracial marriage and divorce entirely. Both of those practices are now routinely accepted by the church.”

Religion can change.

Mind, I’m mostly posting this for the sake of saying the following:

Dearest crazies who hate gay rights: you’re losing.

Another Jonathan

July 10, 2012 at 5:43 pm

Heterosexuals do not own children or their sexuality. If anyone is indoctrinating children, it’s religious people. Keep your 2 thousand year old moral system away from children.

Hey, hey, hey! Back it up there, fella. We only need one.

I sent a message from their website, but changed the dialog a bit.

Marvel’s Astonishing X-Men #51 is a great step forward for comics, as well as comic fans.

It is awesome that two companies like Marvel and Disney would deliberately embrace human love, no matter what kind of love it is.

PLEASE keep doing what you are doing, and know that more people support you than are against you. Thank you!

Dear Florida Family Association,

SHUT UP, BITE MY GLORIOUS GOLDEN @$$, and then brace yourselves when I come down there TO KICK YOURS.

Emmanuel U are a disgrace. Not a loving Christian. Y would it matter if your child was gay or not? It’s ppl like you that make me happy to live in Australia where most of us chirstians have some common sense and accept others for who they are. I will pray for you to not close yourself off from the world and stop being a douche.

I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.

Accepting others for who they are and not calling them out to stop practising sin is exactly what is wrong with this society. People call themselves Christians and yet ignore passages in the Bible that specifically state homosexuality is a sin. It’s a disgrace that any organization that reaches out to children can portray homosexual marriage as a good thing.

Oh, Duey, when your son reaches puberty and realizes he’s gay, YOU’RE going to be responsible for when he kills himself.

I desperately hope you’re sterile.

Different Ian

July 11, 2012 at 4:56 am

Everyone is talking about the Mutant and the android, but in that same picture is the wedding of Mantis and the Ghost that possessed a tree. I think that is what we really need to focus on.

Telling people from different social groups what to do and how to live is the role for us Christians is it now? Sorry Duey I didn’t get the memo. Let’s rally together and hold up God hates fags signs. It’s funny how many Christians especially evangelicals do the opposite of spreading the word of god and getting ppl to follow Christ rather close themselves off from the world and pass judgement on everyone else. Do these types of Christians realise that everyone thinks they’re dicks?

If Northstar, Emmanuel, Duey and I were having a dinner party together and Jesus turned up to rock on who would he sit with at dinner? I’m guessing he would then give you two the usual get the stick out of your own eye before pointing out the splinter in someone else speech. You know the bible does talk about a lot of things being a sin. Passing judgement is even in there. Everyone sins but it is your church that attaches weights to some sins and not others and adds the moral compass.

Does speaking out against ppl who r not going to change on your account help with your relationship with god? I have friends who I met way back in high school who have come out in recent years and then I have friends who share your opinions from church. I have respect for my high school friends as they had to learn to accept who they are when members of their families could not. My friends from church are just young and ignorant thinking that they’re on the moral high ground and that everyone should be like them.

Y did I bother typing this? I really hate comments about comments. It just goes around in circles with everyone sticking to their opinions. I call it wank farming.

“People call themselves Christians and yet ignore passages in the Bible that specifically state homosexuality is a sin.”

There are also passages in the bible that specifically state eating meat on certain days of the week is a sin.

And that slaves should respect their masters.

And that women are lesser creatures than men.

Some Christians love to point out that homosexuality is a sin, here’s a few other things that rate the same list of mortal sins as homosexuality:

Adultery
Not showing up to Church on Sunday
Drugs
Divorce
Premarital sex
Gluttony
Lying
Pornography
Cheating (Not the adultery kind we already covered, simple cheating at games)
Hatred of a neighbor.

Isn’t there a story about Jesus citing that he who is without sin should cast the first stone? Well, then maybe those of you up on your high horse judging other peoples’ lifestyles should take a long, hard look at yourself first. I’d be shocked beyond belief if any of you have managed to get through that list unscathed. Hell, most of you are committing the last one just by your judgments of others.

Tangentially related, I find this one hilarious:

“Adulation of another’s grave faults if it makes one an accomplice in another’s vices or grave sins, but it is not grave when it only seeks to be agreeable, to avoid evil, to meet a need, or to obtain legitimate advantages.”

So, you can’t condone other peoples’ bad behavior, unless of course you’re only pretending to to get ahead in life and/or not rock the boat. Oh sin, you so crazy.

cuntiest xcunt

July 11, 2012 at 7:26 am

when does Marvel do a future X-arc based on a florida fundamentalist group threatening the existence of the marvel universe? AXEL INTO MY OFFICE NOW! CHOP CHOP

Heh, the group doesn’t mind at all the pic of Scarlet Witch’s marriage to her mechanical playmate. ;)

Disregard my above post. This FFA group and its clones don’t deserve the honor of a response, joking or otherwise.

WHY THE NORTHSTAR “GAY WEDDING” WAS A FLOP

The comic retailer site ICV2.com just published the sales figures for June 2012.

http://icv2.com/articles/news/23332.html

Here is how Astonishing X-Men #51 ranked:

ASTONISHING X-MEN #51 – 82,654 copies

So, despite lots of mainstream news coverage and controversy, AXM #51 couldn’t crack the Top Ten much less garner 100,000+ copies in June. The way this book was being hyped you’d think it would be 2012′s top seller.

This provides ammo to critics like book editor Ed West who argue that Marvel as well as DC would attract more readers by focusing on great storytelling instead of pushing cynical sociopolitical stunts like “gay weddings”:

http://www.icv2.com/articles/talk_back/23128.html

http://www.icv2.com/articles/talk_back/23210.html

http://www.icv2.com/articles/talk_back/23276.html

The fact that Avengers is 2012′s top movie so far further vindicates the argument that superheroes enjoy broad appeal when they stick with escapism instead of being “realistic.”

“Hell, most of you are committing the last one just by your judgments of others.”

Telling people to stop a sin that is defined in the Bible is not judging them. Do you think Christians should look the other way when someone next to them is sinning?

What do you say to them? Hey dude, you are sinning, no problemo. Give me a break.

“Oh, Duey, when your son reaches puberty and realizes he’s gay, YOU’RE going to be responsible for when he kills himself.”

Nice.

If someone kills themselves, they have nobody to blame but themselves. We weren’t given the gift of life to callously take it away. How can you say it is someone elses fault if someone kills themself? That is a selfish act that is also a sin.

“Telling people from different social groups what to do and how to live is the role for us Christians is it now? Sorry Duey I didn’t get the memo. Let’s rally together and hold up God hates fags signs. It’s funny how many Christians especially evangelicals do the opposite of spreading the word of god and getting ppl to follow Christ rather close themselves off from the world and pass judgement on everyone else. Do these types of Christians realise that everyone thinks they’re dicks?”

God doesn’t hate homosexuals, he hates the act of sinning, regardless of what sin it is.

“If Northstar, Emmanuel, Duey and I were having a dinner party together and Jesus turned up to rock on who would he sit with at dinner? I’m guessing he would then give you two the usual get the stick out of your own eye before pointing out the splinter in someone else speech. You know the bible does talk about a lot of things being a sin. Passing judgement is even in there. Everyone sins but it is your church that attaches weights to some sins and not others and adds the moral compass. ”

I can not speak for what Jesus would do if he met us at a dinner party, but I can assume he would do what he did in the past which was to tell everyone at the table to go and sin no more.

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