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Nine titles end in October as Marvel NOW! begins

Captain America #19

Nine Marvel series will end in October even as the publisher debuts Uncanny Avengers #1, the first title in its sweeping Marvel NOW! initiative.

According to Marvel’s October solicitations, which went live this morning, the month will mark the conclusions of Captain America, Fantastic Four, FF, Incredible Hulk, Invincible Iron Man, New Mutants, The Mighty Thor, Uncanny X-Men and X-Men Legacy.

Naturally, some of those aren’t entirely unexpected, as the new Uncanny Avengers, by Rick Remender and John Cassaday, will be joined in November by All-New X-Men, by Brian Michael Bendis and Stuart Immonen, followed by Avengers, by Jonathan Hickman and Jerome Opena, in December and New Avengers, by Hickman and Steve Epting, in January. Likewise, Ed Brubaker revealed two weeks ago that he’s ending his acclaimed seven-year-run on Captain America, a departure that dovetails nicely into Marvel’s relaunch plans.

However, what will replace such mainstay titles as Fantastic Four, Incredible Hulk, Invincible Iron Man and The Mighty Thor, and when, remains to be seen. Although it’s unlikely the publisher will go too long without versions of those comics on the shelves, Marvel has promised a slow rollout of relaunches between October and February.

“I feel that it’s a much more humane approach for retailers and fans to tell them: ‘Look. In the months of October through February, every week you can go into a comic book store and find a few new jumping-on points for the Marvel Universe, a place you’re going to like visiting. Or revisiting,'” Editor-in-Chief Axel Alonso said last week.

“Marvel NOW! starts with the creators,” he explained to Comic Book Resources, “so don’t expect writer shake-ups across the line by the fourth or fifth issue, or half the titles to get cancelled and replaced by a new #1. We aren’t throwing $#!# at a wall, seeing what falls off and then replacing it with more $#!#. [Laughs] We’re building books we expect to last.”

Expect more details to emerge later this week at Comic-Con International.

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Might be some good jumping off points for me then.

I’ve read x-men legacy since it was just X-Men in 1991. It’s the first series a actually collected.

Didn’t they just DO the last issue of Fantastic Four…?

some of those are my favourite books right now… god damnit…

I don’t read any of those books. So long as they aren’t messing with Spidey and DD, my Marvel reading is safe.

Fraction and Larocca were already announced for FF so I’d expect there to be a new #1 with a new title. Possibly Future Foundation. With Hickman gone I doubted they’d keep both books running.

And no shake-ups for Spider-Man. Seems like Slott is the only one staying put.

The real question is, how long until they come back? There is no way Cap, Thor, and the F4 do not have their own books. Which will then beg the next question, why did you cancel them to begin with?

Yeah, I doubt these are going away entirely. It’s probably temporary timeoff, especially F4. Any of the other, I could believe, but there is no way they’re keeping the F4 out of the market for an extended period of time unless they’re all somehow joining the Avengers.

Marvel is cutting off it’s nose to spite it’s face. This doesn’t seem very thought out to me. More like, we have to do something.

When I read things like this, I can’t help but feel like the comic industry is trying to tell me to stop collecting. Cancelling books like Uncanny X-men and the other foundation books, it’s like they’re saying that all this work that I’ve done following these books is over.

So wait, Axel Alonso expects us to take him seriously when he says “don’t expect […] half the titles to get cancelled and replaced by a new #1″ when literally OVER half of the titles in that list (Cap, the whole Fantastic Four/FF flipover, Incredible Hulk, The Mighty Thor, and Uncanny X-Men) have had EXACTLY that happen in the last year and a half? Yeah, I’ll believe it when I see it.

“don’t expect writer shake-ups across the line by the fourth or fifth issue, or half the titles to get cancelled and replaced by a new #1. We aren’t throwing $#!# at a wall, seeing what falls off and then replacing it with more $#!#. [Laughs] We’re building books we expect to last.”

Yes, you know how volume 2 of Uncanny X-Men is ending on #20 – we’re totally not going to do that. Again.

FF and F4 were already done since Hickman announced this how many months ago and he’s moving on to avengers. Bru just announced his Cap ending a few wks ago. I figured Invincible Iron Man would be done since Fraction has been on that book for like almost 5 yrs. But there are some surprises like Incredible Hulk and Uncanny X-men.

All and All I save money. I will miss one of my favorites FF/F4. None of the new stuff is making me cough up 4 bucks.

“Marvel NOW! starts with the creators,” he explained to Comic Book Resources, “so don’t expect writer shake-ups across the line by the fourth or fifth issue, or half the titles to get cancelled and replaced by a new #1. We aren’t throwing $#!# at a wall, seeing what falls off and then replacing it with more $#!#. [Laughs] We’re building books we expect to last.”

Really, the digs at DC are so thinly veiled that it borders on pathetic. OBVIOUSLY the all at once newness worked or else DC sales wouldn’t have soared and continued to sell a year after the launch. Rolling out titles or debuting them all at once – it’s 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.

Also, the S### line is a bunch of S###. Marvel has made just as many crap titles as DC ever did and their constant canceling and renewing series to get a #1 bump in sales is great for the bottom line but doesn’t in any way ‘build books to last’. Pardon me while I roll my eyes.

I will say that the quip about rotating creators is a slap DC deserves. That was a big misstep. Maintaining a creative team for more than a few issues goes a long way to helping a title create an identity.

PBR street Gang

July 10, 2012 at 9:30 am

Readers make way to big of a deal when this sort of thing happens !! its a fresh take marvel is geting really stale they need this too !!

yup. no, no. it’s not the MARVEL NEW 52. no. It’s not a reboot. nor a relaunch. no. so… what else???

I spent 10 minutes in barnes and noble explaining the different volumes of ultimate spiderman to some one and that’s only been 3. This rebooting at a new number 1 is gonna kill them.

Looks like Journey Into Mystery is also ending. That’s the only one of the ten titles that I think might actually not come back. Bugger.

JOURNEY INTO MYSTERY #645
Kieron Gillen (W) • STEPHANIE HANS (A&C)
EVERYTHING BURNS AFTERMATH
• Kieron Gillen bids farewell to the cast of JIM!
• “Why Did Loki Do It? No One Knows.” Until now.
• The critically acclaimed epic reaches its climax as Loki’s future and past collide and nothing will ever be the same again. No, really. We mean it this time. Stop looking at us like that.

It could just be a change of writer, though. Only just thought of that.

Letting those titles lapse is a mistake, one of the biggest Marvel has made in a while. There are no ‘Marvel Universe’ fans. There are Incredible Hulk, FF, Iron Man and Thor fans. Nobody is looking for a jumping-on point for the Marvel Universe; they’re looking for continuing books featuring the characters they love. If those titles lapse for two or more months they’re going to lose lots of readers that will never return.

What he fails to understand about the rotating artists/creators is that DC did that to keep the books on time. There are only a handful of books that were late since September – and only 1 or 2 weeks at that. Can Marvel say the same? No. That means a retailer can tell average joe that Action comics out the first week of the month and will always come out at that time. That’s huge. Late books means less for the retailers to make money off of.

Mikael, late books haven’t really been a problem for Marvel lately, either: most of their books have been shipping MORE than monthly for over a year now.

“Marvel NOW! starts with the creators,” he explained to Comic Book Resources, “so don’t expect writer shake-ups across the line by the fourth or fifth issue, or half the titles to get cancelled and replaced by a new #1. We aren’t throwing $#!# at a wall, seeing what falls off and then replacing it with more $#!#. [Laughs] We’re building books we expect to last.”

I wish Marvel would throw $#!# at the wall and see what sticks. By the time all of these Marvel NOW! series are out, half of all their books will be Avengers titles and the other half will be X-Men titles. There’s not even an illusion of variety anymore.

Been expecting this .. good to get some details ..

@Neuronutter: JiM has been envisioned as a finite series since it was announced, so it’s going as planned. Seems to be the beginning of a final arc and not the final issue, though. It’ll be sad to see it go, but it’s going towards the ending that was always intended for it.

These probably won’t be the only books ‘cancelled’ by jan.

Fantastic Four, Cap, Thor, Iron Man are def cming back with new #1’s. New Mutants may be gone for good. Rumor is Hulk is getting replaced by Hulk and the Agents of SMASH. In Dec we will prob see Avengers and New Avengers cancelled for new #1’s. Amazing Spider-Man MAY get replaced with a new #1 (and title) after 700 in nov. Looks like Wolverine and the X-Men, Wolverine, Daredevil, Defenders, X-Factor,Captain Marvel, Dark Avengers and Secret Avengers will get to keep the numbering. I think All-New X-Men is replacing Uncanny (for now).

I wonder what they will do with Astonishing X-Men? I can’t imagine JiM continuing after Gillen leaves. Whoever replaces him will most assuradley be a disappointment

Oh and my fav Avengers book…Avengers Academy. Gage said his book will continue beyond AvX but is it just for this arc?

It seems like the overwhelming response to Marvel Now has been negative. It seems like everybody is hating on it and speaking out against it by saying”Marvels not getting my $4 bucks” Soooo I guess this thing isnt gonna sale any copies. Riiiight.

Get Allen Bellman to do a cover – he is the last remaining captain america artist alive

Besides, I’d rather have late books than crappy ones. Switching creators to meet publishing constraints indicates an editorial breakdown somewhere anyway, wherein punctuality was an established tenant of the initiative.

Seriously? So crap titles like X-men and Astonishing X-Men still hang around? Legacy had a some good Side stories going on there for a while, but lately I’ve felt they were just coasting. New Mutants never seems to get the creative team they deserve. I swear though, if they ever cancel X-Factor, I’m done.

Sam Robards, Comic Fan

July 10, 2012 at 9:50 am

There’s good and bad here.

The bad news is that Kieron Gillen’s amazing Uncanny X-Men is getting axed for friggin’ Bendis. Matt Fraction leaving Iron Man is also bad news as I liked everything in that run I read (I have the beginning through Stark Disassembled).

However, I’m really, REALLY hoping Jason Aaron is off of Incredible Hulk: he simply doesn’t get the character and was a poor choice to replace Greg Pak. Matt Fraction off of Mighty Thor would be great, too, as I didn’t like his take on Thor.

As for X-Men: Legacy, I think it should have ended when Mike Carey left the book. He was so good that no one was going to properly replace him, and certainly not Christos Gage.

So, again, take the good with the bad, I suppose.

It’s bullsh*t that we’re not even a year and a half out from new Captain America, Incredible Hulk, Fantastic Four (FF), Uncanny X-Men, and Mighty Thor books and these books are ALREADY being reset with new #1s (though it isn’t official we know that’s what’s going to happen).

And to preemptively respond to that evergreen comment “I don’t care about the number as long as the story is good”: This is a straw man argument. Of course I want good stories, but I also believe the number matters. If the number didn’t matter Marvel and DC wouldn’t do new #1s; they’d just leave it as is. If the number didn’t matter they wouldn’t even put one on the cover.

This is yet another good reason to give up obscenely overpriced single issues and go to trades. Or to read something other than Marvel alltogether.

@Paul Allen – I think they said All New All Different will be taking the place of Uncanny X-men.

@Neuronutter, what @Dave said, but I can’t help but be disappointed that we’ll only get Stephanie Hans on interiors for a very brief time. Her covers have owned every single month :(

Are you F’n Kidding me? I have had three count them three captain america restarts in the last 7 years. I am starting to wonder if the Marvel Now thing is what chased Brubaker off. More than likely a response of, Okay your rebooting? All right i am out. Just like many of the readers will be unless they do something awesome.

Seems weird to axe Incredible Hulk, especially after what’ll be 13 or 14 issues. The Captain America relaunch seems ridiculous, but whatever.

And, can we please stop using the word “reboot”, this ISN’T a reboot of the Marvel U, it’s them launching some new titles to establish a new status quo, nothing is being retconned or restarted like DC’s 52 (which has left me reading three DC books)

What, no new issues of venom, Scarlet Spider, Punisher or red hulk? if these are getting new directions, It had better be good or I’m out.

Sam Robards, Comic Fan

July 10, 2012 at 10:11 am

Generic Eric,

Yeah, I didn’t see Jeff Parker’s Hulk in either the September or October solicits. So I’m scared that it’s ending after the Mayans Rule arc.

Which is a complete shame because it’s one of my favorite books right now.

“I spent 10 minutes in barnes and noble explaining the different volumes of ultimate spiderman to some one and that’s only been 3. ”

Considering the currently in print trade line didn’t reboot until the titular character died (USM Volume 12 covered UCSM #1-14) that seems unnecessary in a place like B&N since they cater primarily to the trade market. Explaining a volume changeover following the death of the protagonist shouldn’t be take ten minutes to explain unless the person you were speaking to was either six years old or a simpleton.

Who Cares N. E. Way

July 10, 2012 at 10:12 am

I quit Thor and Iron Man right after Fear Itself. I quit New Avengers and Avengers when AvX started. Guess I should’ve hung around awhile longer, and Marvel would’ve just cancelled all the books instead of my dropping them.

Until next month when everything starts over from #1.

DC’s new 52 got folks attention because it erased everything. Even Batman (the supposed “soft” re-boot) is being changed with new origins for Scarecrow and Mr. freeze and all the hooty owls stuff. Marvel cannot keep up with its own continuity anymore it seems anyway…so why not nuke it and start it all over again. Like they tried with Heroes Reborn….before they put alll the toys back in the box….and started with new #1’s a year later.

I’m depressed about this, that simple. All my favorite books are gone. (Well, I suppose X-Factor will just keep going unto infinity.)

Oh sure, undoubtedly some nice comics will come out of Marvel Now–but as of now it has a very steep mountain to climb to make it worth it, and none of the books announced so far appeal to me all that much.

To tackle the actual story: I don’t much care.

None of these characters are getting sent to limbo (Well, maybe the New Mutants). If anyone honestly thinks that the likes of Captain America, Thor, Iron Man and the Fantastic Four are suddenly going off the table, they’re nuts.

I’ve only been reading comics for about twenty years now and I’ve gotten used to relaunches. If you’ve been reading for more than a couple of years, you should be used to them too. If you can’t get over a renumbering, you’re in the wrong hobby as has been proven by the last two decades or so of routine relaunches.

I think I was upset about when they relaunched X-Men Adventures for season 2 of the show when I was like nine and then again a few years later when Spider-Man got relaunched. I’ve come to terms with the fact it’s going to happen to keep sales up. New fans aren’t a big concern considering new fans in any big numbers are a pipe dream. If gimmicks and the like are what it takes to sustain the industry, so be it.

As long as the stories are good, whining about the numbering is kind of pointless. I can’t remember the last time I actually looked at the number on a comic, I go, I grab the titles I like that are sitting on the new comics rack and then I pay and leave. I then put it away after the most recent issue, be the most recent issue be issue #1, 72 or 643.

@Alexa: Yeah, that definitely bums me out too. I remember wishing she could do the interiors as well. Now that we’re finally getting them, the run is almost over.

If they’re not rebooting the coninuity, how is this different from what Marvel has been doing with the numbering for the last handfull of years?

“so why not nuke it and start it all over again.”

Because DC’s proven that that by and large doesn’t work. Valiant pulled it off because they disappeared for years, but one could easily argue that DC’s continuity is significantly more convoluted as a result of all their reboots than it would’ve been otherwise.

Wholesale rebooting of continuity means either throwing out everything entirely (And if that’s what you want, read Ultimate). DC keeps half heartedly rebooting selectively, which is how we end up with crap like whatever is going on with Hawkman throughout his history.

I have been reading/collecting comics since the mid-60’s and while there have been periods where some of my enthusiasm towards the art form has waned, I never lost my love. I am at the point now where I can no longer say that. I am so tired of having virutally every series I have ever followed (and I have followed many) start all over again when someone high on the corporate ladder wants a bump in sales or thinks that things need to change. “… and things will never be the same again!”

I understand that the industry is built on hype – but can’t anyone every build on what came before. Do you have to start all over again to tell a story? How many re-tellings/rebootings of ______________’s story does there have to be only to change some small detail of the sotry? How long before we see a reboot of the FF’s origin where they were flying to Mars instead of the Moon? Ben was in the seat on the right side instead of the seat on the left. Sue had long hair instead of short. Reed was 24 1/2 years old instead of 25. Who really gives a crap?

For some reason, the industry seems to be geared to bringing in new audiences every 12-18 months instead of growing a real following that would stick around for decades to see the development of favorite characters. I have stayed around this long because I loved the art form and was being entertained. I had the disposable income available to spend – and the patience to live through alot of fads. The good outweighed the bad and there were always a few series I could count on to keep me tuned in.

That is not the case any more. The really good books out there (from Marvel & DC) are few and far between. I no longer have the patience to try out new titles and with the drawn out story-telling style used today, I refuse to wait 6-8 months to see if a new creative team can finish an arc with a beginning, middle and ending that makes some sense. Since few creative teams stay together for much longer that 6-12 issues before moving on, I cannot see the sense in wasting my time or my money in the hope it will all be worth it.

I used to spend about $250 a month on news books and enjoyed probably 80% of them. I’m now down to about $100 (and shrinking) and probably only enjoy about 25% of those I buy. I could spend more but I don’t care to. The DC reboot lead to my elimination of virtually all their books from my buying list. This new start/reboot by Marvel will probably do the same to them. That won’t leave me with much left to buy.

The reason I loved comics were they were novels that never ended – characters that kept going on with new adventures building on a history that I got to see unfold before me. Now those histories aren’t worth the paper they are printed on and these novels have been turned into short stories that are retold again and again – like tales told by your college roommate with small details changed but the ending the same. You’ve heard it before, you’ll hear it a dozen more times when next you run into him. Eventually you will hid when he stops by your house or scoot in a store if you see him in the mall. You will avoid him like the plague.

I’m truly sad that this is what it has come to.

Enrage Timer Met

July 10, 2012 at 10:28 am

I have come to the conclusion that no one loves X-Men anymore, except me, so it will be up to me to save it. Kidding. I started HATING the book when Mike F’n Carey got ahold of it and destroyed the characters I loved to so much. He ran the book to the ground. Making Magnetpo the end all of all mutants, turned Gambit into a useless mute, made Rogue have Daddy Issues and turned her into a Magneto penis suckin’ whore, I gave up on the book. Reading it with the AMAZING Christos Gage writing it, made it worth it again. Now, they’re taking it away.

I miss my childhood already.

@Dave. Thanks for the info. I’m sad to see JIM coming to a close. It’s one of my favourites and of all the books Marvel published seemed the most likely to be lost in a shuffle. I’ll be looking forward to whatever Gillen is doing next though.

“If they’re not rebooting the coninuity, how is this different from what Marvel has been doing with the numbering for the last handfull of years?”

It’s not, that’s kind of the point. It’s a marketing push, basically what a lot of longtime DC fans thought DC should’ve done instead of New 52 as opposed to throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Awfully saddened by the end of JIM. It’s been a great, great, great series.

“It’s not, that’s kind of the point. It’s a marketing push, basically what a lot of longtime DC fans thought DC should’ve done instead of New 52 as opposed to throwing out the baby with the bath water.”

Animal Man, Swamp Thing, JLD, Suicide Squad and Aquaman are really good right now. The reimagining/rebooting of those characters have worked out well. They’re better now than before, so the figurative baby wasn’t completely thrown out. He may have his arm stuck in the drain, but he’s still there.

No! Don’t cancel New Mutants! It’s awesome.

I have been collecting New Mutants since the first issue 1, Uncanny X-men since 1983, lived through the crude of the 90s they put out, and now see these titles end? Sad day for me, really sad. My only hope is this is a Halloween prank, although that is a reach I think.

I gave up on Marvel a long time ago. The characters, their stories have been told. Not much else to see/read. I’m strictly Dark Horse, Image, Avatar, etc/independant press stuff. If there’s a DC or Marvel title that does grab my eye I’ll read it in the comic book store or Barnes & Noble/ Books A Million, or check it out at the library. That means more money for comics that I’ll actually enjoy reading/collecting. I think the industry in general needs to lower prices, I wish I could find everything at the library, $3.99 is way to much sometimes for some of these comics.

I only bright spot to this so far was the transition of Thunderbolts to Dark Avengers. same storylines with new story hook.

Worst Case scenario is all my favorite books, now written by Cullon Bunn instead of the writers I whose concepts that got me on the books to begin with.

Brian from Canada

July 10, 2012 at 11:19 am

Marvel’s soliciting for a new Iron Man cartoon to finish out their new block — Hulk & Agents Of SMASH, Ultimate Spider-Man, movie Avengers — so expect a new comic to go with it, just as Hulk’s getting its title changed. The Fantastic Four may get the relaunch connected to the movie reboot being rumoured.

All of which goes to show Marvel isn’t just throwing poop at the wall… they’re getting rid of anything that doesn’t streamline their brand to the movie/tv/comic image.

But I disagree with the digs at DC for rotating creators. As much as people complain about it, some of DC’s books *did* need the shuffle [Green Arrow, Hawkman], and the creators generally aren’t complaining about the assignments because artist x went to new book y, opening up a position for creator z.

DC, I think, scares Marvel. It’s Marvel reincarnated by Bob Harris, with the pillar system we saw after the five divisions plan collapsed horribly, and creators who — while maybe not being the best — know how to create readable stories with decent characters. And they’re succeeding in areas that they shouldn’t be succeeding, like westerns and anthology books (both of which were put down by Marvel over the past few years).

It’s just sad to see Marvel discarding so much history in their titles. Then again, Quesada and Alonso never cared for the past anyway, so it’s not a big shock any more.

Whew, I need some heart medication after all of the non-stop senses shattering permanent changes going on in those solicits. I’m glad to see that nothings changed off of my no more Marvel stance.

Buy creator owned books…Atomic Robo, The Massive, Fatale, Manhattan Projects, BPRD/Hellboy, Goon, Criminal Macabre, Locke & Key, et cetera don’t need histrionics and new costumes to tell good stories.

@Enrage Timer Met, Mike Carey’s on facebook. why dont you tell him how you really feel.

So I finally get back into comics after all these years…I have Iron Man and Uncanny X-Men in my pull list…and now Marvel says that in a few months, those titles are ending? WTF? I mean, I know there’ll be plenty of other X-Men books to read, and I’m sure Iron Man will be back at some point, but I *just* got back in!

part of me wishes they would give Iron Man a break just like they did Thor a few years back. He’s been used so much I think a short break would be good for him, maybe have him return just in time for Iron Man 3.

Ugh. Just all sorts of stupid to relaunch titles with new #1s you just relaunched recently. Dumb.

Absolutely perfect for me – perfect jumping off points and at least one or two jumping on points.

Sorry to see the end to Brubaker’s Captain America run, but it has felt a tad like it is winding down for a while now.

Looking forward to seeing what Hickman does with Avengers.

I am not one of the many Bendis haters on these threads, but all the same, I had grown tired of what I was seeing as a bit of ‘rinse, lather, repeat’ – and dropped the all but Secret Avengers a year ago.

I don’t mind it when a title ends on the completion of a stellar run – honestly I truly think all titles should essentially become mini or maxi series, where a title lasts as long as a creative team has a good solid through-line.

My guess is that Brubaker would have somewhat preferred to have wrapped up Cap about a year or so ago.

I guess I’m weird, but renumbering doesn’t bother me at all. I’m looking forward to some fresh direction on some title runs that have probably gone too long anyway.

I just love how Marvel bashed DC and the relaunch and are now doing it themselves yet still bashing DC by saying their not throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. You suck Marvel!!!! You have ruined and bastardized your characters for the better part of 20 years. I use to read about half and half but now its all DC. They may have fucked up somethings in their continuity but at least they didn’t ruin all of their characters. Spiderman sucks, Xmen sucks, Avengers sucks, Ironman sucks. Bottom line…..Marvel sucks!

I’m as stunned that Marvel thinks there’s any novelty in this move as I am that anyone has the energy left to be outraged or surprised by it. They do this EVERY YEAR, guys.

Yeah, I’m not feeling outrage. Just bored and sleepy. They need to get a new trick or try to not relaunch their entire line every 12-18 months.

A Marvel Universe without Uncanny X-Men at its original numbering just seems wrong. Are we really such mindless sheep that we need “#1″ blazed across the cover to care about a story?

“Duhr, this one is worth more ’cause it’s the first issue.”

Do people really still have that speculator mentality?

Works for me! I need a publisher that loves fresh, new directions. oh wait, some things never change. Fans will always be assholes, writers will always be arrogant nepotists, and artists will always be underpaid. All that matters is that I have my spandex universe.

Comic book fans have too much time on their hands. All we do is piss and moan and then spend our savings.

Chewebacca is dead.

And Alan Moore is a douche bag.

Erik Lehnsherr

July 10, 2012 at 12:44 pm

It’s heartbreaking that it has to end like this. Uncanny X-Men gone? Why shelf the Fantastic Four for any time period? X-Men Legacy originally came from Claremont’s X-Men Vol 2? They would DARE stop that title? That’s fucking absurd. I loved the Magneto/Rogue story and now it’s done so she can be the “Wolverine” of the Uncanny Avengers. She goes from a woman who could of been Queen of Mutants worldwide to a flake on the Avengers squad? Horrible.

I kind of feel that new #1’s are a temporary fix. Yes, there is the argument that “it all worked for DC” but I’m not sold that it will work for Marvel in quite the same way.

It’s kind of like… how many Moon Knight, Punisher, Silver Surfer, and Captain America #1’s can there be before people just don’t care anymore.

Someone asked Tom Brevoort over on Formspring to make sense of it and he pointed out that collected editions are in a sequence. But even those have no real rhyme, reason, or numbering scheme. I think that’s another part of the problem. Yeah, you can get someone to read, say, SANDMAN or THE WALKING DEAD in trade, because it’s all there, in order.

But it’s also a bummer that some of the longer-running books with legacies go away. Hitting reset on Fantastic Four or Iron Man, again? Why not be proud of the notion that 530 issues (or whatever) came before? When I started collecting, the idea that all these issues came earlier was EXCITING.

(On the flip side, aside from the Journey into Mystery bit, since that WAS the original title, retitling a book like Daredevil into Black Panther at a high number was silly.)

Rebooting Uncanny X-Men last year was kind of pointless. But I guess it doesn’t matter anymore if that one’s going away.

But, ultimately, will an Avengers #18 sell better than an Avengers #581? I don’t think it would matter, as long as the creative people are there.

They just better not end Amazing Spider-Man at #700.

Thankfully, it’s just superhero comics which are circling the drain. Plenty of other good non-superhero stuff out there.

How about making worth our while and make all the new titles $2.99 comics. That way those of us who are lapsed Marvel readers won’t feel like we’re being fleeced.

This is horrendous. Bendis’ writing has been going down hill rapidly, whilst Gillen’s has been going from strength to strength. As much as I love Remender’s work, I have no interest whatsoever in reading the Avengers, because they bore me. X-Fans are being royally screwed on this.

Why not cancel Amazinng Spider-Man? Since 2008, this series became disastrous by getting 2 comics per month. Marvel fell miserably, and Wolverine will no more be an X-Man. Why are you doing this to us, Marvel?

“Why not cancel Amazinng Spider-Man? Since 2008, this series became disastrous by getting 2 comics per month.”

Counterpoint: No, it hasn’t.

Are the majority of the current generation of comics readers so dumb they need titles relaunched shortly after reaching double-digits, because they can’t count higher than the number of fingers and toes they have? Or they have really bad ADHD that numbers in the teens can’t hold their attention?

Uncanny x-men hasn’t been on the original numbering in almost a year. What’s the big deal

“Are the majority of the current generation of comics readers so dumb they need titles relaunched shortly after reaching double-digits, because they can’t count higher than the number of fingers and toes they have? Or they have really bad ADHD that numbers in the teens can’t hold their attention?”

Are the majority of old school generation comics readers so dumb that they can’t find their way from point A to point B when the volume changes?

As someone who isn’t the oldest of the old school OR a new generation reader (Been reading for twenty years), it’s really not that hard to figure out.

It’s a simple marketing gimmick and I’d think anyone who reads this site should know that the comic book industry is in the unfortunate position of needing to rely on these sorts of things. The industry, as we know it, is dying and nothing is going to save it. Stuff like this keeps it on life support.

So it’s either deal with periodic relaunches, a minor inconvenience at best, or just let the industry die.

Throw away the minutia in the details and Marvel is doing the exact same thing DC did last year…relaunch the bulk of their titles with new creative teams an/or direction. All they’re going to experiment with is an alternate distribution strategy of putting them in the market over time instead of all at once. Valiant just did it also. And Lifeld’s Image Extreme imprint just did a bizarro version of it, relaunching old titles with existing numbering. So much for uniqness in the marketplace. Almost every major publisher just did some variation on the exact same theme…in one year.

Collecting comics was so much simpler in the old days when we had a consistent numbering system for all the established books. Back then when we were looking for a particular back issue, all you need to know was the title and number, today you have to figure out the volume, year, numbering and the exact wording of the title. Glad I gave up on this futile hobby, is just not worth the effort anymore.

do they really think new fans are going to be more willing to get at Captain America volume 7 number 1 as oppose Captain America 650?

While I can certainly appreciate some scepticism about the movement of some characters and the change of some titles, I will refrain from bitching and moaning until I read some of it. As for the conversation about renumbering, well no one has confirmed that will happen. Is it ridiculous that some titles could get a new number 1? Of course it is. Is another Cap relaunch ridiculous and laughable? Sure. Are Marvel crazy for wanting to revamp their Universe? Time will tell.

Honestly though, how quickly did everyone jump the gun this exact time last year when DC announced a total line wide relaunch? Everyone leapt to their computers and blasted DC primarily based on the announcement that comics like Detective and Action would be renumbered.

The numbers do mean something to some people, but it is subjective, and both could argue either way for/against renumbering, but for me as long as the right creators end up on the right title with the right pitch, preferably for the long term, I will be quite happy.

From the sound of things it is not a relaunch anyway, just that two of the major franchises are being reworked in the wake of a major crossover, just like post Civil War and post Secret Invasion. So it is not directly comparable to what DC did, but more in line with what Marvel do at the end of an event.

I do hope though that AvX is the last crossover for a while, no major crossovers for a couple of years from Marvel to build these books proper, because they said that all this is launching the next ten years of Marvel stories, so to give it six months before another event, and then another post-event relaunch would be too far.

Jonathan: The phrasing of that last sentence is really interesting to me-“put up with.” I don’t know of a single other industry that asks to be tolerated rather than actively enjoyed.

“Are the majority of old school generation comics readers so dumb that they can’t find their way from point A to point B when the volume changes?

As someone who isn’t the oldest of the old school OR a new generation reader (Been reading for twenty years), it’s really not that hard to figure out.

It’s a simple marketing gimmick and I’d think anyone who reads this site should know that the comic book industry is in the unfortunate position of needing to rely on these sorts of things. The industry, as we know it, is dying and nothing is going to save it. Stuff like this keeps it on life support.

So it’s either deal with periodic relaunches, a minor inconvenience at best, or just let the industry die.”

Oddly, the decline has been at its worst for the last twenty years.

I feel like I’m seriously in the minority here, what with completely understanding why Marvel would want to do this. I haven’t been a comics fan all my life, it was only after seeing some of the movies that I wanted to read any of the comics in the first place. And let me tell you, looking at all these titles with hundreds of issues and spin-offs and really similar titles (how many X-Men titles are there, anyway?) was incredibly daunting. I had no clue where to start but just sort of jumped in and asked questions later. I’ve got quite a few friends who felt the same but weren’t quite so brave, and if they’d had some really obvious jumping-on points, they probably would have started reading.

It’s a pretty standard thing for businesses to focus on gaining new customers, and with interest in Marvel as high as (I’m assuming) it is from recent box office success, it really makes sense to capitalize on this time and make getting into these comics as easy as possible. I highly doubt that it’s going to be as bad as anyone’s expecting. Let’s face it, nothing on the internet ever really is.

Always a great idea to spit in the face of old fans, just to cater to a new POTENTIAL fanbase.

Would you like it if your television provider started giving their service to NEW subscribers only, for half price?

“@Skel
When I read things like this, I can’t help but feel like the comic industry is trying to tell me to stop collecting. Cancelling books like Uncanny X-men and the other foundation books, it’s like they’re saying that all this work that I’ve done following these books is over.”

THIS. The handwriting has been on the wall for sometime with the push toward digital (hard to bag-and-board something in your iPad). But this constant rebooting and #1-upping (SWIDT) each other is just accelerating the process. We are at a time when one can say that one is a “comic” fan, but not a “comic-collector.” R.I.P.

Jake Earlewine

July 10, 2012 at 3:19 pm

Aww, why don’t they just get it over with and slap a #1 on every single fricking comic from now on? Who needs issues numbered 2 and 3, anyway?

I have subscriptions to 4 of these books….. um….. thanks Marvel…..

After seeing FF and F4 all I can think is “not spider-man or daredevil, not spider-man or daredevil, not spider-man or daredevil…”. I can only hope the worst of my fears won’t be realised. They’ve already ruined spidey enough with a sidekick, the last thing he needs is a new #1…

You lot do realise that the numbering is only there to make sure you get the story in the right order and that the mini series model has been working a treat for Dark Horse for years and frankly I’d prefer Marvel just did that.

The only reasons you’re pissed is because 1. There’s a creative shake up which happens anyway and can be a very good thing and 2. You don’t know where to put the new issue ones in your long boxes.

Who cares? The titles get a polish and a shiny new number one, if the stories and art are still good I’m still buying them.

Just another publicity stunt by the comic book industry. There is no shake-up. It’s all the same writers with different characters. The only thing we sell in America anymore is expectation.

yourmouthisasphincterpal

July 10, 2012 at 5:44 pm

Fairly aggressive and courageous to end your movie gateway books straight off Avengers movies. Wipes the slate clean, gives the reader time to breathe and shifts importance to their new titles.

You can fight the man, but I’ll be buying these new mantle changing books and look forward to what’s in store.

Dear Current Drivers of the Modern Comic Book Industry,

BITE MY SHINY METAL @$$.

(Unless Defenders is still around…)

“Oddly, the decline has been at its worst for the last twenty years.”

Nothing odd about it. EVERY print industry has been declining over the last couple decades thanks to the advent of the internet.

“You can fight the man, but I’ll be buying these new mantle changing books and look forward to what’s in store.”

Glad to see someone so transparent about it. So much complaining, but sales will go up for a little while.

Then they will plateau after a few months.

And then they’ll do it again.

And the cycle will continue, because that is the only way the print comics industry is surviving at this point.

So, dropping FF and Fantastic Four and picking up Avengers and New Avengers. Big whoop on the renumbering. It’s not like this is a new Marvel thing.

I am also going with the idea that it might be time to call it quits. I already canceled all my dc titles except for three. So now that Uncanny X-men, Legacy & new Mutants are gone, I think I am done with comics, For one it’s expensive and for a long time the stories, writing art have been just so sub-par. I have been sticking with these titles out of loyalty. Obviously, Both marvel & DC are trying to gain new readers, but in doing so, I realized that they have completely alienated me in the process. I have stuck with you for a looooooong time. There has been so good stories in the last couple of years but they have been so few and far between that i can’t keep but feeling that collecting comics has been a waste of time for the last 10 years

Nice to see so many readers not falling for Marvel’s crap this time around. Seriously, the hypocrisy of them doing this after lambasting DC in an issue of Marvel Previews last year when they stuck a “still #37″ or “still #269″ on most of their solicits for that month is astounding and now utterly embarrassing.

For all the good DC did in helping to grow the market with their ‘New 52′ campaign, I can see this doing a fair bit of damage the other way (going by many of the comments here). But then, comic readers are ‘a cowardly and superstitious bunch’, so who knows?

And in other news Marvel announces 9 new #1’s in November. In future news Marvel announces 9 titles to return original numbering of previous series.

Wait? No Fantastic Four? Well, THAT saves me a trip to the comics store. Considering it’s one of only two titles I still buy, the other beign it’s spinoff FF.

Thanks for saving me money, Marvel. Go f*&k yourselves. Call me when the F4 are back.

October marks the end of: Captain America, Fantastic Four, FF, Incredible Hulk, Invincible Iron Man, New Mutants, The Mighty Thor, Uncanny X-Men and X-Men Legacy. …= translation: since avengers did sooo well in the theaters, we now think that only team books sell well, so every solo title except deadpool, wolverine, and spider-man is canceled. -& everyone’s getting put on an avengers team, or on an x-team, or both. that will sell well. and we will have wolverine guest star in everything, every month, to make sure it sells well.

um…not to this fan, no it wont. with marvel titles, im now down to avenging spider-man, and invincible iron-man, and soon even those will be dropped for cyberforce, and haunt. while the movie marvel verse is somewhat good, it doth NOT warrant doing this. -this is fail. al la epic.

Jake Earlewine

July 10, 2012 at 8:20 pm

It doesn’t really matter what Marvel does. They sold their soul during Avengers Disassembled and Civil War.
Today’s Marvel resembles classic Marvel about as much as a crack-whore resembles the Statue of Liberty.

Because Captain America isn’t even Captain America any more. Thor is no longer Thor, and Iron Man isn’t even Iron Man any more. They all have new personalities and new costumes! For 30 years, they were the same characters with the same personalities, but now they’re strangers calling themselves Cap, Thor, Iron Man, etc. Marvel doesn’t even know their own characters any more.

Bendis! I have replaced all the cuss words in my vocabulary with the word “Bendis!”
If I accidentally step in dog poop, you will hear me holler “Bendis!”

If they’re going to keep messing with the numbering this frequently, particularly how frequently variant covers come out, perhaps it’s time to put the month and year back on the cover. That way people wishing to get a specific back issue don’t pick up the wrong #3 or whatever number by mistake. I’m not a big fan of renumbering, but even with it, things would be so much simpler with that one little addition.

Do you think its possible the disney corporate offices are telling them to do this ?

Goodness, that’s three of my favorite books – New Mutants, Uncanny X-Men (with Scott’s Extinction Team), and X-Men Legacy. Thanks Marvel, it’s been a grand time. But I see you’re going off in a direction I’m not really interested in. Hope you survive.

you guys all know they already announced most of these titles would be getting new number ones, right?

As soon as I saw this title I was expecting to mourn X-Factor. Thank heavens it isn’t on there.

Kinnickinnic Ave.

July 11, 2012 at 1:05 am

The Toadstone

by

Bismark D. Earthone

REHASH ENTERTAINMENT LLC

Here’s a novel idea,

Once upon a midnight dreary, Morty Toynbee, aka Toad, finds a magic lamp, deep in some Arabian cave. He uses his three wishes on being handsome, being immortal, and being king of the world. Then he just sits back and spends all his money on $4 comic books for year after year.

In the blink of an eye it’s the year 2099 and Alan Moore is the only writer left alive from 2012. He too has immortality from making arcane promises with The High Snake Warlock and is still complaining that there are no new ideas and that he still doesn’t read comics. By that year though Harry Potter is public domain and the Rowling family get no royalties because Marvel and Disney bought JK’s eternal soul. Lizard-Man Moore then goes on to write The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen 4200 and cast’s immortal versions of Harry Potter (Moonchild Reborn), a bath-salts zombie version of Princess Leia and a big dicked Kermit the Porn Star Frog, (comics are a waste of time, but watching E! news and turning children icons into feces is cool…err..kewl). The people, the ipad reading public, are again reminded that there is only one true force to follow…just don’t turn his stolen ideas into movies!

King Toad, is very sad at the state his subjects are in and the condescending cloud they willingly cast over their head and spends many listless nights pondering how to please them. He ponders this dilema deeply, often accompanied by Iron Maiden playlists and a could of marijuana smoke. Toady harkens back to the day when everything was great: the days when he and his evil mutant brothers and sisters would get frozen and shot with laser beams, the days he would get turned down by eastern European women and be called ugly, stupid, and gargoylesque by his master….

But wait, says he. Those days weren’t grand at all! The narration and direction of his life at that time were all wrong! The good times were shite! Where in his head did King Toad ever come up with that idea that things were grand like that when they were really his lowest of times?

He realizes, as an immortal, that as humans, mutants, and silver surfers, we tend to romanticize the past. Did he think it was so fun because of the pictures he had painted of his early exploits? How handsome Quicksilver was, in his green lightning spandex. A wonderful, 30 foot tall tapestry should suffice to hold his old memories on the pedestal in which he places them. But that’s not all, says he aloud. “Art is but just one facet of my recollection and remembrance.”

As King of Earth 616, he had television shows and major motion pictures made in his honor. The Brotherhood 2 had made $616 Billion in just one week! Couple that with the breakfast cereak, the action figures (Misfits 3-Pack was his favorite, 3 detailed figures of the group he formed with Silver Spider and Frog Man the day they all met Spider-Man and he talked Toad out of suicide).

As Toad recalled these fond memories, the light outside his Las Vegas castle had grown dim and the lights of various casino’s illuminated the great and terrible King. But what of the literature? The childish books with action and sex? The comic books? Did I like ever like them? Were they really that good back then? I know I had once purchased Essential Marvel Man Vol.1 but how ungodly dull it was to just labor through the first several pages…

But then there is the present. The era in which comic book titles are all just one word, often and adjective. It is an era where books are no longer numbered and each story is self contained. There is a new book for every person alive and they are distributed daily. Every new character is a reboot of an old one. DC and Marvel are one in the same. They just remain ascetically different in the name of sales. Independent comics are superhero, western, samurai, pornographic and kid friendly all in one… The people love them, they make great movies. But as for the people who actually read them, they hate it. They hate everything about them. They hate Shatterstar. They hate the Lil Depressed Boy (retitled Boy), they hate Spider-Bat, and they hate the Ziggamartariot. They worship the beard of the immortal Snake-Man.

Toad frowned… he knew in his heart of hearts the people were wrong. The good times were never that good, he repeated…these new books HAD to entertain SOMEBODY…. but who?

Walking back to his throne room, he looked around at all his subjects about him. Axel and Joe the court jesters were putting on a puppet show. They both wore the same puppets, but were entertaining the nobles of the palace just as well. Toad smiled, here was entertainment! Enjoying the happiness of those around him and being able to provide an atmosphere like this made Toad both proud and content.

“Who needs the Snake-Thing-Man-Brit?” That old willy hasn’t an original thought in his mushroom shaped brain? “Jason Aaron was right to tell that old Wizard to go f*ck himself.” What sense is there to get all upset over the shape of comic books? The next great entertainment is right around the corner, there is no use trying to please those who cannot be please! The next incarnation is NOT going to be original! Billions of years coupled with billions and billions of thinking human beings have registered that impossible.

The Terrible Toad King closed his eyes as the laughter around him produced an surprising lullaby…he fell asleep. Tomorrow will be a new day for the great king. A new beginning that he can write with the pen called freedom. The industries of man will continue to profit from those who seek to consume; if you can’t handle that, get out of the way. The best way for you to combat, is to create yourself.

*Toad, Quicksilver, Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, Nondescript retelling of Aladin all property of Marvel Entertainment division of Disney

*Harry Potter property of JKR (for now)

*Princess Leia property of George Lucas (author crosses himself)

*Kermit the Frog property of Jim Henson’s ghost

*Alan Moore property of Evil Snake God, (motion picture & autobiography available from Asshole Press this summer)

I’ve been buying comics pretty much my whole life, and Marvel finally broke me last year with the terrible Fear Itself event, and turned me into a full trade-waiter ( I was already trade-buying all of my non-Marvel reading).
It’s one thing to not care about a particular character or storyline, but when everything that happens seems to affect the entire company… well what’s the point of trying to keep up?

Problem is, I check stuff online to see what’s going on and what might interest me, and what I end up buying is either older Marvel stuff that I never read before or don’t already have, or non-Marvel books.

Prices are not helping. 20 years ago I couldn’t care less if I bought some random comic at $1.25 and it was crap, but at $3-4 now it better be good or I’m pissed and you don’t get a second issue from me.

“October marks the end of: Captain America, Fantastic Four, FF, Incredible Hulk, Invincible Iron Man, New Mutants, The Mighty Thor, Uncanny X-Men and X-Men Legacy. …= translation: since avengers did sooo well in the theaters, we now think that only team books sell well, so every solo title except deadpool, wolverine, and spider-man is canceled. -& everyone’s getting put on an avengers team, or on an x-team, or both. that will sell well. and we will have wolverine guest star in everything, every month, to make sure it sells well.”

1. Five of those nine books (In other words, more than half) are team books. Your assertion that Marvel is culling all of their solo books is nuts (And ignores Daredevil, Punisher: Warzone, Captain Marvel and a slew of other solo titles I’m probably forgetting).

2. Odds are Fantastic Four isn’t going anywhere permanently. Marvel will probably just roll both of them back into one title with Hickman moving on to the Avengers titles.

3. Captain America was running two solo titles, Captain America “and…” is still running under Cap’s original numbering and will likely resume publishing simply as Captain America in short order.

4. Likewise, Journey Into Mystery will probably revert back to being a Thor title.

5. Uncanny X-Men’s cast will be featured in All New X-Men. It’s a title change, everybody panic!

That leaves us with two titles, Legacy and New Mutants, that probably won’t be replaced. While seeing the characters go into limbo may suck for their fans, those were probably the two most pointless X-Men books on the stands from a story-driven standpoint (Honestly, I was shocked Legacy continued without Carey considering it was his pet project for the longest time). Legacy was redundant and essentially just a Rogue solo book with Gen X cameos.

With a lot of the solicits giving the impression Utopia’s gone after AvX, I get the impression it’s all merging back into a school atmosphere, meaning the NM and XML casts will likely be folded into other titles or perhaps even get their own new titles.

“Marvel announces every issue will be a number one issue for the next year.”

bluedevil2002

July 11, 2012 at 9:37 am

Ianbaru: “I used to spend about $250 a month on news books and enjoyed probably 80% of them. I’m now down to about $100 (and shrinking) and probably only enjoy about 25% of those I buy. I could spend more but I don’t care to.”

So, why didn’t you cut down to $200 and enjoy 100%, or currently cut down to $25 and enjoy 100%?

—–

As for everyone freaking out about Fantastic Four — calm down. For one thing, we haven’t even missed a month in the solicitations. FF (volume 4) #1 might be out in November. If not, it’s not the end of the world or team, or title. After all, FF skipped both the month before and after Heroes Reborn.

—-

It’s not so much the “constant” relaunching that bugs me, it’s the insanity of the numbering system. When Marvel started relaunching in the 90’s, it was still fairly easy to keep straight. Then they started doing dual numbers, and then reverted a few series. It’s when they start this process of multiple relaunches, followed by reverting, following by another relaunch while having some other title take over the numbering. (That, and Marvel sucks at math, so they’ve missed a few issues here and there.)

Poster child for that problem is Hulk.

Then, Brubaker’s Captain America….isn’t it a little messed up that a 90 issue run contains two #1’s and a 600?

We’ve got Thor, which has reverted to Journey Into Mystery twice, but the numbering from the 90’s revert does count anywhere.

David of the Impeccable Taste

July 11, 2012 at 11:53 am

Awwww crap. New Mutants will be gone. Mind you DnA’s run has been a bit mired in crossover bullshit (of which the Journey into Mystery was the only good one). Still it was a consistently entertaining title, no doubt the rest of the team will now be split up. Looks like X-Factor is my last Marvel monthly with Winter Soldier in trades.

Perhaps I’ll get Captain Marvel after all….

With UNCANNY, NEW MUTANTS and LEGACY gone, my pull list has been over halved. Now Marvel just needs to drive Waid off DAREDEVIL and finally cancel the hanging-by-its-teeth X-FACTOR, and I’m done with modern floppies.

Every year, I get closer and closer to the point where I’ll only buy retro collections anymore.

you’re right @Jeff. At least X-Factor isn’t on the list

I am trying to think of how this is a reason for me to drop most of my Marvel titles…but Remender AND Cassaday on a title together is kind of hard to pass up. Kind of like Hickman and Opena…jeepers. They have some good creative teams there. Plus they got Immonen back on a monthly book…unfortunately it is with Bendis…
Maybe this is my way out of the monthlies…just go the trade route. I don’t trust Cassaday to stick around that long anyways. Same with Opena and Immonen, to be honest. Expect lots of fill-ins along the way.

From what I have read, they are going to allow all current titles continue their story arcs until from October to January, where they will either be rebooted or cancelled. That, and that some titles will not have their writers be replaced. Plus, it also sounds like atop of the titles they mentioned, the following will come:

– A new Guardian of the Galaxy title: They said that they want to span off into space, and this will help promote the movie before it comes out.

– A new “Punisher: War Journal” title: Despite the poor sales of his current title, I think having a title based on the original (Jim Lee drawn version, at least) version of this title might be a good move.

And with the chances of them revamping both “Amazing Fantasy” and “Journey Into Mystery” into titles that focus on the early years of Spider-Man and Thor… I currently hope that they will have the chance to do this, as well as look at other titles they want to add and have them be plotted out in a manner where the stories are as good as they used to be (in the late 1980s being an example). (Then again, I miss the first incarnation of X-Factor, the Chris Claremont-John Byrne/Chris Clarement-Jim Lee X-Men eras, and most of the first regular Wolverine series (minus the mutation era and faded glory that lead to its cancellation).

Plus, with those concerned about “Astonishing X-Men”… As long as they do not pull a “Rob Liefeld” (as in good at his own creations, questionable at best with existing properties), the series will continue as it is part of the “Astonishing” universe – As in Marvel, Max, Marvel Universe (all-ages), Astonishing, and Ultimate Comics. (That, and I will withhold my New 62 statement as I feel that they should have done an official layout on the timeline prior to the revamp starting – As in of few problems that came with their “edgy, new” Wildstorm-ish image.)

Pre Marvel-Now these titles had potential : Venom and Punisher.

Glad to see Rucka staying around but the “Lets put Muties and Avengers in everything” vibe doesn’t hold water.

They must be rooting for a republican to win the presidency. More strife and conflict for these bastards to exploit in future events orchestrated by the hack architects.

Secret Avengers will be destroyed by an Ultraverse character! Let’s wait and see!

Thank goodness the “Rogue Show” is ending, not that I was buying that shit anyway, more like illegally downloading it (no shame, won’t pay for crap stories by overrated [t]wats) have hated Rogue ever since I was 7 and her annoyingly loud voice haunted my nightmares when I used to watch The Animated Series. Now with that [c]unt on the Uncanny Avengers along with that other overrated hairball Wolverine it will make it much easier to avoid 2 characters I hate in one book. Oh lordy Erik Lensherr or should I say Magneto19/Gracie Branch/HOM2012 and all the endless user names that crazed Magneto acolyte has come up with and always ends up getting thrown out of forums has found it’s way here… admit it you only want to bone the old geezer yourself you [r]etarded asswipe, go back to taking your medication.

what the hell is this??? Seriously!! What has happened to Marvel? Ending the Hulk? FF? WTF??? Let me run Marvel. Focus on good stories and good art! F#$@!!! Marketing gimmicks. This lets me know they are focusing on the wrong things. Why the hell would I read RED She Hulk over the Incredible Hulk. Are they serious? What happened to this company? Guess its all about the movies now.

Marvel….the house of no ideas

Make mine….Image, Dark Horse, IDW and Valiant….

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