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Rocksteady developing Batman prequel game featuring Justice League

Justice League, by Alex Ross

Rocksteady Studios, the British developer behind Batman: Arkham Asylum and its sequel Batman: Arkham City, is believed to be developing a new installment of the blockbuster video-game series that will feature Superman, Wonder Woman and DC Comics’ other major heroes.

Variety reports the Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment game will serve as a prequel to 2009′s Arkham Asylum and revolve around Batman’s first meeting with his arch-nemesis The Joker, which apparently occurs around the time of the Justice League’s formation. Although the trade paper references DC comics of the 1950s, it seems more likely the team lineup will reflect the publisher’s New 52.

DC’s top-tier characters already appear together in DC Universe Online and the newly released LEGO Batman 2: DC Super Heroes, and will reteam next year in Injustice: Gods Among Us. But a Rocksteady-produced game would take the heroes’ profile, and reach, to another level: Batman: Arkham Asylum sold 4.3 million copies, only to be surpassed last year by the sequel Arkham City, which sold a staggering 6 million copies in its first month of release.

The game would debut in 2014 at the earliest, ahead of the proposed 2015 release of Warner Bros.’ long-developing Justice League movie.

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Yes, please!

While I don’t doubt that the game will be very well made I don’t know if I can listen to any more misogynist comments ad infinitium while I play through another Rockstedy Batman game. I know they are going for gritty realism but do I really need to sit through ten hours of street thugs calling Catwoman, Harley Quinn, and now Wonder Woman and Black Canary “bitch” and “whore?” I’m not sure I can take anymore of that.

But but, they are all bitches and whores. Aren’t they?

@Jeff

Yes, these words are said by the BAD GUYS. I bet you cried about the ending of Mass Effect too.

Just take my money already!

Also, I think the misogynist complaint is a bit off target. Every one of those remarks is made by a villain or random thug. We’re SUPPOSED to dislike them.

I think a more appropriate response is enjoying how much ass Catwoman kicks in Arkham City.

I don’t even really care for DC at this point, but these games are so good. I just wish they’d put one out annually.

YESSSS! YESSSSSSSSSS!

So, it’s a prequel because they want Joker and no other reason right?
Because this makes me question why he never asked for help in the other games if the justice league exsisted.

Because Batman does not ask for help….

@Alex
It’s because Batman doesn’t need or want help. I think that was odvious with the way Robin was treated in the last game

Someone who wonders why Batman wouldn’t just ask for help in the games already out, CLEARLY has NO understanding of the character of Batman. At ALL. Even the Lego Batman game got it right…. the second Superman showed up, Batman says “Go AWAY, I DON’T want or need your help.”

Ugh: can’t they just call it DC Universe or Justice League or something?

Jeff, I’m guessing you should probably never spend much time on the streets if misogynistic comments bother you that much.

Real life ain’t four-color, amigo.

The game is trying to portray an urban environment, and it does a very good job of it.

“Ugh: can’t they just call it DC Universe or Justice League or something?”

It doesn’t sound like a JL game on the surface. It sounds like another Batman game which happens to feature the JL, likely in a supporting role.

YES another Batman ga… wait New 52?? MOTHERFUCKING NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

@Everyone Defending the Misogyny:

Just because it is realistic for bad guys to say bad things does not make it enjoyable to listen to. There are LOTS of ways I would rather video games not emulate real life. (To paraphrase my friend Scott Sharkey, would you like it if World of Warcraft denied you a promotion to the next level due to budget cuts, even though you’d earned it?)

It’s a matter of personal preference. If it doesn’t bother you that’s A-OK, but don’t jump on people who don’t like it as if they’re wrong for being uncomfortable.

Me, I haven’t played City but I’ve been enjoying the hell out of Asylum. It’s a phenomenally good game. It also has some things I don’t like: I really can’t stand the art style, and it’s more violent than I like my Batman.

It’s still, as I said, a phenomenally good game. But it is okay for me not to like certain aspects of it! And it is okay for you to disagree with me! Doesn’t mean one of us is right and the other is wrong, just that we have different tastes.

@Skullcapcomix: While you’re right as far as the characterization in the Arkham games, the idea that there is a consistent characterization of Batman across his 73-year history in which he consistently does not ask other people for help is a pretty serious oversimplification. There have been PLENTY of versions of Batman who would gladly ask for help.

But even Friendly Batman didn’t just ask Superman to come take care of every problem that came his way, and there’s a simple storytelling reason for that:
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/06/quote-of-the-day-dont-mess-with-my-cake/

Actually, I’m not “from the streets” but I work with a lot of guys that are so I hear a lot of it in real life. I thought this kind of stuff when was edgy too when I was younger too but now I see it for what it is. I don’t think rocksteady is setting out to reinforce negative perceptions about women but that’s what’s happening. Parents know that GRand theft Auto and Modern Warfare are not for kids but buy them anyway because that’s what they want to play. Batman is, like it or not, an all ages character and even The Nolan movies don’t have the level of adult content the Arkham series does.

I expected the responses I got because after seeing the vitriol directed at a woman’s kickstarter for a YouTube series about misogyny in video games I know the level of it here in comic fandom is just as high. Add that together and here we are both apologizing for it and condemning those who who dare point it out.

Basically, I just don’t want to explain to my girlfriend of my nieces (4,2,7 months) why Catwoman is kissing the herpes laden street trash of Gotham.

@Jeff/

Here’s a solution: Don’t play intensely violent games around your very young nieces.

Also, you’re girlfriend is presumably an adult, I don’t think she needs anything explained to here.

“your”

Dammit.

“it’s more violent than I like my Batman.”

Um, what?

Batman’s violent. He makes a career out of brutalizing criminals.

That said, if you’d prefer to not beat the ever living crap out of criminals, you can get through a lot of situations via stealth maneuvering and silent takedowns (Sneaking up on them and knocking them out quickly and with minimal brutality). Batman in the Arkham games is only as violent as you choose to make him.

Frankly, while I don’t mind the violence, I tend to prefer the silent takedowns anyway. They just feel more accomplished.

“I don’t think rocksteady is setting out to reinforce negative perceptions about women but that’s what’s happening. ”

The GTA comparison is way off. In GTA, you ARE the misogynist criminal. In this, you’re beating up said misogynist criminal, in many cases as a strong female character.

“Batman is, like it or not, an all ages character and even The Nolan movies don’t have the level of adult content the Arkham series does.”

Yes it does. It absolutely does. There is a scene in TDK where Batman breaks a mob boss’s legs for information. One of the main characters gets “Women In Regrigeratored.” One of the protagonists gets half of his face blown off before spending the last five minutes of the film with a gun to a kid’s head. A guy dressed up in a Batman outfit is killed and hung from a building for a laugh.

“Basically, I just don’t want to explain to my girlfriend of my nieces (4,2,7 months) why Catwoman is kissing the herpes laden street trash of Gotham.”

Then maybe you should consider having them play Brave and the Bold instead. That one’s aimed at kids. The Arkham games are rated T and you probably shouldn’t be playing them in front of a four year old.

@Jeff

You are a terrible uncle/caretaker if you believe playing violent video games infront of children younger then a YEAR OLD is okay. No, it’s not the fact that you beat the shit out of various thugs in realistic violence. It is the fact that they say “naughty words” that sets you off. You are worried that they may “corrupt the minds” of some young children. You sir, are an idiot.

“Basically, I just don’t want to explain to my girlfriend of my nieces (4,2,7 months) why Catwoman is kissing the herpes laden street trash of Gotham.”

To briefly distract and confuse them before she kicks their butts. Easy.

I mean, I have my concerns with how Catwoman is depicted in Arkham City (which can be problematic, even if I personally don’t view it being quite as bad as some), but this one’s fairly straightforward and in keeping with the overall character of Catwoman being someone who uses sex appeal to her advantage; she’s hardly just making out with every guy she comes across for the hell of it, she’s clearly using it as a battle tactic.

Plus, as others have said, it’s probably not the best choice of games to be loading up in front of a four-year-old anyway.

I will say, though, that realistic or not hearing the bad guys use that kind of language all the goddamn time gets real old, real quick (although frankly, all the Enemy Chatter in “City” gets really annoying after a while; it’s the same stuff constantly on repeat wherever you go).

A…prequel? ugh. Please don’t let this be an Arkham game…..

There were so many easter eggs in Arkham City……continue on with that. SPOILERS

Scarecrow, Joker actually dying, Hush, Azrael, Ra’s body disappearing, prometheus newspaper clipping……

@ Drake

promethus newspaper clipping? i didnt find that

OR, if this will be an Arkham game, please let Rocksteady also make a fourth game, an actual Arkham “3″ world, etc. They left way too many easter eggs to not do a follow up to Arkham city. Let other villains shine, because *spoilers

God forbid they don’t do a game with the Batman/Joker dynamic ):

Good god, I would never let them see Arkham City and just yesterday after the 2 year old asked for a batman pop from the ice cream truck I showed her Brave and the Bold on my phone and they were pretty excited about Kathy Kane. Really though, I just don’t think the portrayal of women in Dark Knight comes close to Arkham, and yes Batman is by his very nature violent and the combat system in that game is amazing and brings that to life.

Thanks for asking but yes my girlfriend is an adult woman and I found myself apologizing frequently for some of the overtly sexual portrayals of women. It’s the kind of thing you don’t notice until you’re in a relationship. As for the kids I want to show them strong women who use their minds (and if failing that their fists) instead of their bodies to solve problems. When they are old enough, and it will come sooner than I would like, I would like to be able to share the characters that have meant so much to me.

“I mean, I have my concerns with how Catwoman is depicted in Arkham City (which can be problematic, even if I personally don’t view it being quite as bad as some), but this one’s fairly straightforward and in keeping with the overall character of Catwoman being someone who uses sex appeal to her advantage; she’s hardly just making out with every guy she comes across for the hell of it, she’s clearly using it as a battle tactic. ”

This. I mean, she was a former prostitute in canon for a good, long while. That sort of behavior was a pretty long standing character trait in continuity. Don’t blame the game, blame the character. This would be tantamount to complaining about Indiana Jones being too reliant on whips in a video game.

“God forbid they don’t do a game with the Batman/Joker dynamic ):”

I think it’s likely a situation of wanting to capitalize on Hamill’s talents while they may be able to use them. He had indicated during the making of Arkham City that he was retiring from the role and then immediately returned to it for DCU Online. They can move on to those plot threads once he proves he’s actually going to retire.

“Really though, I just don’t think the portrayal of women in Dark Knight comes close to Arkham”

That’s not really something you can say with any definition considering there’s almost no portrayal of women in Nolan’s films to date. The only female character with more than a line or two was Dawes and she was portrayed as kind of meek and really served no purpose in the films other than as a victim. Not really a better example in any case. So far, Nolan’s actually had a pretty crappy portrayal of women in the films, all they do is cry, get kidnapped and/or blow up.

Arkham City’s portrayal of women was essentially note for note pulled directly from the comics of the era. Catwoman uses sexuality to her benefit, while Ivy and Harley are off the rockers. All three of those portrayals have been pretty consistently the way they were portrayed for the last three decades or more (In other words, the entire lifetime of the target audience of the game).

Again, this isn’t something you can blame on the game, it’s something you should blame on the source material.

“Thanks for asking but yes my girlfriend is an adult woman and I found myself apologizing frequently for some of the overtly sexual portrayals of women. It’s the kind of thing you don’t notice until you’re in a relationship.”

I don’t see why you should have to apologize for something like that and I’m married. If she can’t deal with a woman using her sexuality to her advantage, that’s her own personal hangup. Plenty of women do that in real life too.

If this was men over-sexing a female character just for the sake of eye candy, that’d be one thing. Many people understandably find that abhorrent. This is an altogether different matter, though. Catwoman is a strong, confident protagonist who is specifically characterized as utilizing her sexuality as an advantage to trick weak minded men. This isn’t Power Girl who walks around in that ridiculous costume for who knows what reason, or even Lara Croft who was long portrayed as having unrealistic measurements for no good reason other than to draw in males.

@Jonathan: “Batman’s violent. He makes a career out of brutalizing criminals.”

No shit. But some depictions are more brutal than others.

The Arkham games’ depiction is probably technically less violent than Burton’s version (where Batman straight-up kills a bunch of dudes) or the earliest comics (hanging a giant from the Bat-Plane) but it’s more graphic. Choking dudes unconscious and cutting to slow-motion, fetishistic bone-breaking moves.

Again, if that’s how you like your Batman then that’s cool. But there are other ways of depicting him — you yourself suggest TB&TB as a great, less-violent Batman game, so clearly you acknowledge that there is such a thing. I’m not saying Arkham should be a kids’ game, I’m just saying that I prefer a Batman without slow-motion bone-breaking.

I don’t care for the casual brutality. But I grant that it makes for interesting storytelling possibilities, particularly in the examination of Batman as a more-than-slightly-unhinged dude who may belong in the asylum himself.

All that said, I am totally with you on the hanging from gargoyles and waiting for dudes to walk under them thing. That’s really fantastic. (And Joker eventually deciding to strap bombs to all the gargoyles is a friggin’ brilliant gag.)

@Jonathan

How on Earth is Power Girl’s boob window worse than Catwoman unzipping her costume PAST her cleavage? And kissing thugs after you’ve gotten the upper hand in a fight is not a battle tactic, it’s gratuitous titillation.

My girlfriend never lays a guilt trip on me about games, I only have the time to play a few a year and she likes to watch, but we both kind of cringe together at some of the catwoman stuff. And just because Frank Miller (whose mysoginstic tendencies are surpassed only by the more honest about it Dave Sim) decided Catwoman should be a prostitute does not make it a good idea. That portrayal has unsuccessfully tried to be shaken by a lot a writers that followed him. If your main argument for why catwoman should be trashy instead of empowering is that the author of Holy Terror thinks that’s how it should be try playing the catwoman missions next to your wife and get back to me on that.

Wow. I can’t believe what I’m reading. First off, Arkham City is rated M for a reason. For the guy who said he had a problem playing it in front of little children, that’s your fault. I have two young children of my own and I would never play an M rated game in front of them. That’s my responsibility as a parent, I don’t leave it up to every game dev in the world to make games that are playable in front of my 5 year old daughter.

As for the violence, welcome to the world of Batman. Maybe you guys became fans during the Adam West days or during the Schumacher days but for those of us who are fans of the source material, City depicts that world and does it well.

A lot of us have been waiting for media such as games and movies to start getting closer to the source material. That’s happening now. And judging by the successes of both the game and movie franchises, I’d say a lot of people are with me on that.

If you think City is bad, page through some of the character’s history. Believe me, City is toned down compared what you’ll read in some of those books.

“How on Earth is Power Girl’s boob window worse than Catwoman unzipping her costume PAST her cleavage? And kissing thugs after you’ve gotten the upper hand in a fight is not a battle tactic, it’s gratuitous titillation.”

Because it doesn’t serve a story purpose. Power Girl’s little boob window is standard comic book cheesecake art for the of cheesecake. Catwoman’s over the top, but she’s over the top for an established, in-continuity reason.

“and just because Frank Miller (whose mysoginstic tendencies are surpassed only by the more honest about it Dave Sim) decided Catwoman should be a prostitute does not make it a good idea.”

Good idea or not, it’s her character. You want to complain, complain about Frank Miller, don’t blame the game developers for portraying her the way she’s been portrayed for the last 25 or so years. The vast majority of people playing this game (Again, the target audience) are males 15-30. Males 15-30 who follow Batman have had this iteration of Catwoman for as long as they could read.

“If your main argument for why catwoman should be trashy instead of empowering is that the author of Holy Terror thinks that’s how it should be try playing the catwoman missions next to your wife and get back to me on that.”

Point one, many women would argue that Catwoman IS empowering, even in this depiction. It’s, by and large, men who assume that a woman being portrayed as comfortable in her sexuality is something to be reviled.

I’d bet you that if you were to ask someone like Gail Simone who she finds more empowering between Rachel Dawes and Catwoman (In her Arkham iteration), she’d pick Catwoman in a second.

Following on to your second remark, I live in a one TV household, so my wife is generally around when I have played Arkham City. She didn’t bat an eye over Catwoman’s portrayal.

Sorry that this is a little off topic, but I feel it’s relevant to the discussion:

As far as Rachel Dawes goes I think she would have been a stronger character had Maggie Gyllenhaal played her in Batman Begins as well as Dark Knight, I’m pretty sure she was the original choice but Warner’s wanted the then more popular Katie Holmes. The batman stories are, if you hadn’t noticed a little light on women in general, especially civilians. Rachel was a mash of a few different Bat-ladies (Andrea Beaumont and Gilda Dent that I can think of off the top of my head). She was not a victim and smacked Bruce in the face when he was being fool. As one the best bat origin stories Batman Begins(while flawed) provides a necessary human grounding point for Bruce Wayne in Rachel. As for the earlier fridging comment not every female death in superhero stories is a fridging. If the Joker never killed anyone the audience or the main characters cared about he would be a rather toothless threat. Unfortunately, it had to be Rachel because you can’t kill Gordon or Alfred, at least not until the last movie.

Well, I’m sure Ms. Simone would appreciate you speaking for her, but your argument falls apart with your Power Girl comparison. The boob window has been called by many, including Gail and Amanda Conner, an empowering aspect of PG’s owning her sexuality. Look, I get that you like the depiction of women in modern DC comics and games. But the question I’m asking is should this be the ideal? Do we want young girls and young boys to look at the last page of Catwoman #1 and see her straddling Batman? Is this the best we can do? Catwoman has evolved from super villain to anti-hero because of her empowering qualities. When you oversimplify her into just a temptress it’s shallow. Her sexuality is just one aspect, not her defining trait.

Don’t get me wrong, I like sex and beautiful women. I just think there’s more to female superheroes than T&A. These characters are meant to represent an IDEAL. I think we, as a community owe it to ourselves and society to put forth the best we can. DC currently seems to want to appeal to a low common denominator. I want better than that for the super heroic ideal. I want to be able to point to Batman and Catwoman and say this, in abstract, is what we should strive for. But whatever, she looks hot in that leather jumpsuit with her boobs about to fall out, right?

“She was not a victim and smacked Bruce in the face when he was being fool.”

Slapping Bruce in the face doesn’t make her not a damsel in distress. Her character narrative for Batman Begins is as follows:

Gets assaulted on the subway, is rescued by Batman.

Gets drugged by Scarecrow, is rescued by Batman.

Is given an antitoxin for Scarecrow’s fear gas, which she is then instructed to give to Gordon.

Shoots Scarecrow with a taser. Cool, she did something kind of tough.

Is surrounded by a gang of Arkham inmates, is rescued by Batman.

Oh yeah, that’s an empowering role right there.

TDK Character narrative:

Despite being assistant DA in the first film, the vacant DA position is filled by a man instead (Obviously one’s not a huge deal considering Dent kind of had to be DA for this all to work, but it doesn’t help her case either).

She starts sleeping with her new boss.

Is assaulted by Joker, rescued by Batman.

Gets mad at Bruce.

Gets kidnapped, again, this time she’s killed off to serve as the driving force behind driving Harvey Dent insane.

“As for the earlier fridging comment not every female death in superhero stories is a fridging. If the Joker never killed anyone the audience or the main characters cared about he would be a rather toothless threat.”

Uh, yeah, it’s textbook fridging. Female deaths on their own are not fridging, no. Jean Grey’s deaths were not fridging, Wasp’s death was not fridging, Stephanie Brown’s death wasn’t even really fridging.

Fridging is when you kill off a female character for no purpose other than to serve as the driving force behind a male character. Joker spent the entire film killing off random civilians, mobsters, and really just whoever happened to be in his way. He was anything but toothless. He’d been established as a clear and credible threat long before Rachel was killed off in the film.

Rachel was killed off to make Two Face an antagonist. In most of his origin stories, the simple act of the scarring makes Two Face. In TDK, though, Rachel is the clear and obvious catalyst in driving Dent off the deep end. She is a classic example of Woman In Refrigerator.

“your argument falls apart with your Power Girl comparison. The boob window has been called by many, including Gail and Amanda Conner, an empowering aspect of PG’s owning her sexuality. ”

Okay, let me get this straight: my argument that Catwoman is an empowered character because she owns her sexuality falls apart because two female creators say that a female character “owning her sexuality” is an empowering trait?

My example may have been bad (Admittedly, I threw PG out as the first cheesecake I could think of, I’m not really familiar with her character), but you essentially just proved my point for me. Women who own their sexuality are empowered.

“Her sexuality is just one aspect, not her defining trait. ”

Agreed, but it’s a pretty commonly portrayed aspect and the game doesn’t really preclude that. The game portrays her as clever, highly skilled, and strong in addition to being sexually confident.

“DC currently seems to want to appeal to a low common denominator. I want better than that for the super heroic ideal.”

I won’t deny that SOME aspects of DC seem to want to do this (Hello, creative staff of Red Hood & The Outlaws), but I think you’re picking the wrong target to vent your frustration towards on this one. Catwoman in Arkham City is never really portrayed as standard cheesecake. She has some of the most badass moments of the entire game (The Tyger Vault part is pretty awesome). We’re not talking the garbage done with Starfire lately where she’s basically been portrayed as a bimbo sex doll.

David of the Impeccable Taste

July 11, 2012 at 11:43 am

@Jeff It’s an M-rated game. You knew what you were getting into when you bought it. Is the strong language warning not on the label?

So…since someone wants to be able to play a violent video game in front of children and their girlfriend without having to “explain” things; I (having no kids and a wife who has no interest in it and leaves me alone while I’m playing…)that should have to play a watered down, neutered version of Batman?

Or…grow a pair…that way everybody wins!

@Eric: “As for the violence, welcome to the world of Batman. Maybe you guys became fans during the Adam West days or during the Schumacher days but for those of us who are fans of the source material, City depicts that world and does it well.”

Cute.

As I’ve repeatedly pointed out, there’s more than seven decades of source material. Some of it is violent and some of it isn’t.

Here’s a pertinent quote from Batman: The Brave and the Bold:

“Batman’s rich history allows him to be interpreted in a multitude of ways. To be sure, this is a lighter incarnation, but it’s certainly no less valid and true to the character’s roots as the tortured avenger crying out for Mommy and Daddy.”

Know who wrote that?

The SAME GUY who wrote the script for Arkham Asylum.

All I said is that I prefer a less violent version of Batman. You don’t. That’s okay. It’s a matter of personal taste.

This suggestion that I’m somehow WRONG for preferring a less violent version of Batman, or that such a version is less “close to the source material”, on the other hand, is both asinine and irritating.

I’m not saying he shouldn’t beat up thugs. Of course he should. I’m just saying I’d prefer it without the slow-motion, fetishized takedowns. You like ‘em. That’s okay! It doesn’t make you wrong, or suggest that you are unfamiliar with Batman or his history. (Even if I don’t recall pages-long, fetishistic beatdowns in the work of, say, Jerry Robinson — that strikes me as more of a Frank Miller thing. When you say “the source material”, are you referring to a comic book published 45 years into Batman’s history, perchance?)

You like a little more Frank Miller, I like a little more Bruce Timm. That’s okay! And I still think the game is, as I said, phenomenal.

@MadCat: “So…since someone wants to be able to play a violent video game in front of children and their girlfriend without having to “explain” things; I (having no kids and a wife who has no interest in it and leaves me alone while I’m playing…)that should have to play a watered down, neutered version of Batman?”

Did you just seriously suggest that every version of Batman where nobody gets called “bitch” is “a watered down, neutered version of Batman”?

Because I am fairly confident that that includes some 99% of all Batman stories, including absolutely all of them prior to the mid-1980′s.

Jesus, some of you commenters need to get off your soapboxes. It’s cartoons and video games, and your self-important, self-delusional rhetoric is bad for **everyone**

Regardless of what you ‘stand’ for – “It’s misogynistic”, “The violence is apropos”, “I’m making the world better by writing comments on CBR calling for les violent video games!”, etc.

Ok, everybody calling me out on having kids watch the game, please read my comments instead of skimming so you can condemn me over my position on mysoginy in comics and games. At no time would I let any children near this game that should have an M rating but does not.

@ Jonathan
We’re on the same page I think here for the most part, I think we mostly disagree where the line should be drawn. Also, just because catwoman has sometimes been portrayed as a sex worker in the last 25 years there were 50 years before she was a hooker with a heart of gold. I just don’t see a difference between Catwoman and Starfire here other than Starfire actually discusses having meaningless sex in print.

Of course sexuality can be empowering but it’s the difference between a pop star wearing a provocative outfit and a stripper sidling up to you asking if you want a lap dance. One those is not empowering.

Back to Rachel: Dude, everybody in that movie is in constant danger and batman saves them. I think the film does a good job trying to present her as someone batman could love, and other than Catwoman and Talia (both strong women) there haven’t been many serious bat-loves. I don’t think trying to diminish her by calling her a slut for sleeping with Harvey is fair, I’m not trying to put words in your mouth but that’s how it reads to me. It could be that a love triangle that’s resolved by a tragic death is just good storytelling. Are you really trying to defend arkham city by tearing down the best superhero movie since Donner’s Superman?

And how many under 30 DA’s are elected in major cities, even fictional ones. Take into account the electorate here, what are the odds a young woman could win that election? Aren’t there only like 3-4 women in the senate? We have a female DA in the county I live in but she had a long career before that and I live in suburban Massachusetts, pretty liberal here(surprising, I know).

Ok, it’s Wednesday, so I’m going to read some comics now.

@David of impeccable taste

Look again Dave, it’s T for Teen, Bro. You would think it would be M though, right?

@Thad

You’re my hero, dude. Keep fighting the good fight.

“Look again Dave, it’s T for Teen, Bro. You would think it would be M though, right?”

It’s rated M in Australia. They have stricter regulations for violence in media than the US does. Probably what caused the mixup.

velcroMustache

July 11, 2012 at 4:45 pm

Dear Rocksteady,

Superman:Phantom Zone.

love,
VM

” Also, just because catwoman has sometimes been portrayed as a sex worker in the last 25 years there were 50 years before she was a hooker with a heart of gold. I just don’t see a difference between Catwoman and Starfire here other than Starfire actually discusses having meaningless sex in print.”

She hasn’t always been a sex worker, true, but over those 75 years she HAS been fairly consistently portrayed as a women who embraces her sexuality and consequently often uses her sex appeal to her advantage; she’s always been a fairly traditional ‘femme fatale’ character in the context of the Batman books. Now, there’s problematic issues with this archetype in itself, but it is a consistent part of her characterisation and has been pretty much since she was created.

Plus, while it’s a part of her modern backstory, the game itself never actually suggests that she is or was a sex worker at any point that I’m aware of.

“Of course sexuality can be empowering but it’s the difference between a pop star wearing a provocative outfit and a stripper sidling up to you asking if you want a lap dance. One those is not empowering.”

Frankly, for all that I do have issues with Catwoman’s depiction in the game, I’d suggest she’s much closer to the former than the latter in this case. For all the criticisms that can be made of her, she’s clearly depicted as being in control of her own sexuality and using it for her own benefits, and she isn’t dependent on or being pressured or forced into any of her actions by anyone else, particularly not a man (indeed, she spends most of the game kicking the ass of pretty much every guy she comes across except Batman).

“And how many under 30 DA’s are elected in major cities, even fictional ones. Take into account the electorate here, what are the odds a young woman could win that election? Aren’t there only like 3-4 women in the senate? We have a female DA in the county I live in but she had a long career before that and I live in suburban Massachusetts, pretty liberal here(surprising, I know).”

Just to clarify; Rachel wasn’t actually elected DA in any of the movies. That was Harvey Dent. She was actually an Assistant District Attorney; while the office of District Attorney itself is in many jurisdictions an elected position, the ADA isn’t. She would have gotten the job much the same as if she’d applied for a job at a private law-firm; someone would have hired her.

@Jeff: “You’re my hero, dude. Keep fighting the good fight.”

Well, y’know, I didn’t come here for a fight. I made the mistake of saying “it’s more violent than I like my Batman” and, out of a large, sprawling post, two dudes jumped on those eight words and saw fit to condescend to me about how obviously I just don’t know anything about Batman.

It’s really a weird thing to me — that it’s not enough for people to prefer a certain version of Batman, they have to proclaim him as the One True Batman, like it’s religion or something. See above — Eric could easily have said “For those of us who are fans of The Dark Knight Returns, City depicts that world and does it well.” But he didn’t SAY “The Dark Knight Returns”, he said “the source material”. Even said it twice. Like “This isn’t a mud pit, it’s an operating table!” is the only version of Batman that counts.

I mean, we’re talking about a game that is written by Paul Dini, stars Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill, and whose rogues gallery includes Poison Ivy, Scarecrow, Killer Croc, Riddler, and Harley Quinn (with a nod toward the Ventriloquist thrown in near the end). I submit that anyone who plays Arkham Asylum and does not consider Batman: The Animated Series to be source material for it is either unfamiliar with Batman: The Animated Series, or is unfamiliar with the meaning of the phrase “source material”.

Obviously it’s not the ONLY source material. But it’s a pretty nontrivial piece of it.

I’m willing to bet that a number of the devs at Rocksteady are guys about my age, who grew up watching Batman: TAS, and who wanted to make a game that was like Batman: TAS but more violent and adult. And again, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that, it’s just that I’d have personally, and just speaking for myself, preferred a game a little more stylistically similar to Batman: TAS.

(I DO notice that at least nobody argued with the part where I said “I really can’t stand the art style”…)

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