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Gay sci-fi author asks DC for ‘balance,’ offers to write Superman

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In an open letter, award-winning science fiction author David Gerrold has asked DC Comics for balance — and a job.

In response to the publisher hiring Ender’s Game author and gay-marriage opponent Orson Scott Card to contribute to its Adventures of Superman anthology, Gerrold suggests DC hire an “openly gay writer,” which he happens to be.

“I see that you have hired a writer for Superman who has written strongly of his opposition to equal rights for LGBT people. And I see that there is an online petition protesting that move,” he wrote on Facebook. “Perhaps you could balance that decision by hiring an openly gay writer to draft a Superman story for a future issue.”

Gerrold brings an impressive resume to the table, having written numerous science fiction TV shows, novels, nonfiction and even some comics. His credits include episodes of Star Trek (including the famous “The Trouble with Tribbles” episode), Babylon 5, Land of the Lost, The Twilight Zone and even The Adventures of Superboy — so has some experience with the Last Son of Krypton. And he wrote two issues of the Babylon 5 comic, published by DC Comics, as well as Star Trek manga. His novelette The Martian Child won Hugo and Nebula awards.

Gerrold writes:

Dear DC Comics Editors,

I see that you have hired a writer for Superman who has written strongly of his opposition to equal rights for LGBT people. And I see that there is an online petition protesting that move.

Perhaps you could balance that decision by hiring an openly gay writer to draft a Superman story for a future issue.

I hereby volunteer.

I have been a fan of Superman since Bud Collyer played him on the radio. (Before TV was invented.) I can remember Brainiac’s first appearance, and Bizarro too. And I cried when George Reeves died.

I do have some small credential as a writer of science fiction and fantasy. I have published a few books and written a few teleplays. (You can look me up on the internet.) I have also written some mangas, and I wrote two issues of the Babylon 5 comic you published ten years ago.

I have some very good ideas that I think would work well for the series. I’d like the opportunity to write for you the very best Superman story ever.

Sincerely yours,

David Gerrold
“The Trouble With Tribbles”
Land Of The Lost
Twilight Zone
The Martian Child
(and a whole bunch of other stuff)

DC responded to the backlash to Card’s hiring earlier this week, saying, “As content creators we steadfastly support freedom of expression, however the personal views of individuals associated with DC Comics are just that — personal views — and not those of the company itself.”

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They should hire David Gerrold. And on top of that I would assign Phil Jimenez as the artist to illustrate his Superman Story. That’d be awesome

And any argument from homophobia apologists goes out the window….

Hiring anyone for a job (unless it specifically requires it) based on race, religion or sexual orientation is completely wrong, this is the wrong way for this guy to go about it.

By go about it, I mean go about reacting to the OSC issue.

DC will do it. It’s stupid, but they will do it. You hire people for what they can do, not for who they are or what they believe.

This is all well and good, but I have a question: does Scott’s story or the series as a whole have anything to DO with gay marriage?

Redacted, EVERYTHING Card writes has to do with gay marriage! His homophobia infects all of his writing. He’s a sicko.

I hope DC hires Gerrold to undo the damage they’ve done by hiring OSC.

Andrew Allenpeat

February 15, 2013 at 3:22 pm

This seems reasonable to me. If DC wants to hire an established, popular, anti-gay writer, then I’m more than fine with them hiring an established, popular, gay writer. As long as both of them don’t promote one position over another, then I’d be fine with reading both or neither as the mood strikes me.

Please.

This was stupid before and now getter dumber.

Balance for balance sake is a bad idea. I still say that if Card did not put his views into his work for DC or make a spectacle of his views in relationship with DC…then their should be no issue.

I am gay and personally I don’t like the online petitions. It’s in bad taste….saying that though I do feel betrayed by Marvel and DC for hiring Orson Scott Card at various points. After supporting both companies financially for 20 years, even through bad times for them it bothers me that they hire someone who openly opposes the human rights of people like me. Honestly lowers my entire opinion of them.

Something which no one has actually mentioned at least that I’ve seen isn’t it hypocritical of Card to work for Marvel and DC as summon who so openly campaigns against the rights of gay people when they publish books like Gotham Central, Batwoman, Young Avengers and X-Factor.

Hopefully DC just ignores the request. If Card writes a politically slanted or anti-gay Superman story then “balance” might be needed. But since we don’t know the story, we can’t assume any balance is needed. Now if the guy just so happens to develop a great Superman story, then by all means DC would hopefully be interested. But to just do it due to political pressures, then no.

Sure the Card is a hate monger but just like he has the right to be one, everyone else has the right to not buy anything he produces. An Adventures of Superman with Card writing showing a huge sales dip for his issue but not the ones before or after will convey more to DC execs then all the silly letters, forum posts or tweets ever will. So instead of trying to force “balance” of words, try to hit them where they really care – the balance sheets.

Derek, at what point did you enter into such a relationship with either company that they could “betray” you? That’s a very strong word that implies you believe they owe you something personally, which they don’t.

Furthermore, if Marvel or DC promoted gay rights on all fronts and then hired Card, it would be hypocritical. You also imply that by publishing the books you mentioned DC is promoting gay rights, but its not. Its publishing entertainment. Period.

Sorry to jump all over you, Derek, you were the last post I read and I felt strongly about what you said.

Didn’t know Gerrold was gay, but believe me he has more than enough sci fi credits to write Superman. However, I would rather not see Superman stories turned into a huge political debate.

I’m uncomfortable with the idea that a writer get the job FOR his sexual preference, and indeed these “All women!” books have always felt a little bit awkward, like the Sadie Hawkins dance (Thanks for throwing us a bone, assholes! said women everywhere). At the very least I’m not sure I’d want an “All gay creator!” issue, because again that feels like you’re fetishizing it, which is exactly the opposite of the point. These are just people trying to live and love and write and work like any other, which is why they deserve those same rights.

Anyway, I digress. This guy seems like he’d be a strong candidate to write for Superman ANYWAY. Ditto Phil Jiminez on artwork — DC should be trying to get them irrespective of sexual preference!

And while you’re at it, I want the guy who wrote that Legion of Superheroes book of poetry (a professor at my alma mater, who I’m now bitter I never talked to!)

Wait a minute…..didn’t Marvel publish a whole set of minis based on Card’s Ender books? This whole thing is starting to sound suspicious. One major publisher publishes the work of a human second(?) only to Hitler in his genocidal intent and absolutely no teeth are gnashed, no clothing torn in anguish, nor comic retailers announcing that they will not carry the book. Their Distinguished Competitor announces that same creator is going to do a digital first book featuring their flagship character and we have Hiroshima in comicdom. I am starting to see a very interesting pattern develop here.

I am excited by what little I know about OSC’s Superman (mostly that it looks like a Pre-New 52 version of the Man of Steel) and am looking forward to buying the issues in print. I think that OSC’s personal views, affiliations, and monetary contributions should not disqualify him from writing this or any other character. I am one of those horrible evil people who thinks homosexuality is a sin (as if my opinion should matter to anyone). All that being said, with qualifications like he has, I really hope DC gives David Gerrold’s pitch a chance. I would love to buy it and read it, because it sounds like it has the possibility to be really fun and I am capable of reading and enjoying work from someone whose views differ from mine.

And THIS is whats wrong with our damn society. Instead of simply looking past race or gender or orientation when concerning things that should have nothing to do with them in the first place, we focus COMPLETELY on them. I dont care if its for a positive reason, when you do it, youre fighting ignorance with ignorance. If he wants a job at DC, thats fine. But using this stupid fiasco as a way to get hired and claim its for “balance”? I dont think hes taking advantage of the situation or anyting, but like my last point, this mindset of treating people artificially in order to avoid someone being offended is all wrong.

” I am starting to see a very interesting pattern develop here.”

I’m not sure that two incidents constitute a pattern.

David Gerrold is a strong candidate for writing Superman, particularly for something like this digital-first series. Come on, this is the guy who wrote “The Trouble with Tribbles” for Star Trek, “The Man Who Folded Himself” (the ultimate time travel novel!), the engaging young adult novel “Jumping Off the Planet” and its two sequels, and a multitude of other books.

There’s no need to discriminate. Even if his son is a Martian, he’d by a good pick for a Superman short.

Tell you what: I’ll buy a book from whichever author puts Superman back in red shorts and has him married to Lois again. Deal?

Card is a good writer. So for “balance”, DC needs to hire a bad writer. Oh wait, they already have plenty of those.

Your right Kevin, however, I am now very interested in asking a few questions. Let’s see, two volumes of Ultimate Iron Man, multiple minis based on the Ender’s universe all at Marvel and a Dragon’s Age book at IDW. Where was the outrage then? These books were not published in one month, they were not even published in the same year. Yet, it is only DC and this Superman project that receives this vitriol? Who is Richard Neal and/or Zeus Comics? I have not heard of this store until this incident, yet Neal gets a good bit of publicity to make his announcement, and honestly, will him not ordering the print book even make a dent in the total sales? So he is gay, fine. I can understand his feelings in not wanting to sell the book, but why him for this national campaign? Did he sell Ultimate Iron Man? The Ender Marvel books? Did he call for a boycott of Marvel? I want the answers to these questions. He may have, if so, I can respect it, I don’t agree with it, but I can respect it. If he didn’t then, why now?

After all the insane stuff we’ve seen from lobbyists, it’s refreshing to see someone can come up with a decent proposal.
Derek, Marvel and DC try to reflect society, they’re not campaigning for or against anything with the books you mlentioned.

Card isnt very good at comics, unfortunately.

Nico, you’re saying David Gerrold is a bad writer? Oh, wait. You’re intentionally trolling, aren’t you?

I keep trying to figure out how not buying an issue of Superman hurts Card . he has already been paid a royalty . until the the boycotts I did not know he was going to write an issue . the negative publicity will actually sell a few more issues then it would have before. look at it as the North Star effect . Alpha flight was not selling well so what happens Marvel has one of there characters announce he is gay and people who have never read Alpha flight for one month made it a hot seller then it went back to what it was selling before and was canceled. Alpha flight has never been able to come back . the point is if you want something not to sell you don’t loudly broadcast your objections you leave it alone. your not going to convince people who already read the title to stop but you might actually get few more people to buy it . As for David Gerrald DC should go for it if he writes a good then he has just much right as Orison Scott Card to be published unless he want to write rainbow superman or a story about Clark and Diana attending pride fest. I would read it

DC has hired openly gay creators on their books.
Marc Andreyko just finished a Black Lightning/Blue Devil run on DC Comics Presents.
Phil Jimenez and Stephen Sadowski are both working on Vertigo’s Fairest.
You don’t hire people because of their orientation or personal beliefs.

This is beyond stupid now.

“Your right Kevin, however, I am now very interested in asking a few questions. Let’s see, two volumes of Ultimate Iron Man, multiple minis based on the Ender’s universe all at Marvel and a Dragon’s Age book at IDW. Where was the outrage then?”

I don’t know, but if I had to guess, I’d say the difference between those instances and now is 1.) an iconic character like Superman is involved, and 2.) Card’s views have become a lot more widely known since 2008, with Prop. 8, and 2009, when he joined the board of the National Organization for Marriage. As I alluded to in Tuesday’s piece, there was a moment in 2008 when it looked as if Marvel might be drawn into the backlash over Card’s “government overthrow” column because of his work on Ultimate Iron Man and the then-upcoming Ender’s Game adaptation, but it didn’t gain traction. Why’s that? I suspect it may have had something to do with social media and online petitions not being as developed as they are now, and maybe the absence of an organization like All Out to help drive a protest.

“Who is Richard Neal and/or Zeus Comics? I have not heard of this store until this incident, yet Neal gets a good bit of publicity to make his announcement, and honestly, will him not ordering the print book even make a dent in the total sales?”

Richard Neal is the owner of, by most accounts, a very nice store in Dallas. It won an Eisner in 2006, but it’s not a large store; his decision not to stock Card’s comic isn’t going to send DC into a sales spiral. He most certainly realizes that, but he’s doing what he thinks is right.

“I can understand his feelings in not wanting to sell the book, but why him for this national campaign?”

He’s not involved in a national campaign. He merely wrote on his Facebook page that he won’t be ordering the comic and explained why, and several outlets picked up on his post.

Kevin, I appreciate your responses to the questions. Maybe I have been at my job too long, or too involved with politics, but something about this situation just does not feel natural or spontaneous. But honestly, I have basically given up on DC and Marvel both due to the crap they are pushing out, so unless this series does help restore Suoerman to readability, I will be passing on it. But, thanks for your info.

so not only is Gerrald advocating hiring a writer largely based on his/her sexual orientation, but he’s somehow turned this into asking DC to give him a high profile writing gig, somehow turning it around so that DC giving HIM specifically a job would be the morally correct thing to do? Man.

He’s a talented writer that DC should hire.

But they shouldn’t hire him because he’s gay. There is such a thing as positive discrimination. I think this letter is very bold and very cool, bravo for Gerrold for writing it.

So, DC should hire him. They should just hire him for the right reasons.

Richard Neal is wrong.

Boycotting the comic is like trying to pretend this type of racism/ prejudice doesn’t exist. It does. Face it. And boycotting is too easy. It doesn’t require any effort whatsoever.

What he, and othe store owners, and even commenters need to do is this:

Advocate.

Order the Superman book by Card. Order a shitload of them. And use the opportunity in your store to educate people about this issue. When they come to the counter give them a brochure, a flyer, information about the issue of gay marriage and gay rights. Don’t force it on them, but ask if they’re interested. Have a petition on the desk that’s important – one that’s addressed to the local politician that advocates for gay marriage to be legalised. Have people sign it if they want, and after a while, mail it to said politician. That will do more good than sidestepping the issue at hand by not stocking the comic on the shelves that week. Have a poster up that says, “spend less time blogging about this issue, and attacking those that disagree with you online – instead take the time to email your local politician about the issue.” Get off the couch, get off the laptop and be seen advocating for an issue you seem to be so passionate about online.

That’s how you really change things. You don’t change things by not ordering a Superman comic. Change takes effort.

This comes across as insincere, opportunistic, desperate and tacky.

Sure thing gay writer I’ve never heard of, soon as you write a legendary series of sc-fi books you can have his job.

You’ve never heard of “The Trouble with Tribbles”?

DC should force an Apollo/Midnighter subplot into Card’s Superman story.

While I don’t agree with OSC’s politics, I can’t fault the quality his work. He’s an old guy who’s set in his ways. In a perfect world, we’d all agree to love and accept everyone, but we don’t live in a perfect world.

OSC also worked on the Xbox Live Shadow Complex game a few years back, and around that time, these same kind of fears came from people after learning his view. The game was awesome and sold well. Many will find when a piece of work is good, they tend to put their politics aside for a moment.

What you should ask yourselves, is where did OSC get such views from. He’s clearly been compromised by the religious flag he’s under. Blame the religious mormon nuts, for bending his mind.

In a similar way to Tom Cruise, I dislike his scientology side, but think he’s a good capable actor. What I’m saying is you don’t have to like a person 100%, and its okay to disagree with them on views/politics. OSC is being hired to write, not preach his politics. He’s still entitled to make a living, so he can eat. If we start to squeeze him, not based on his work, then I think we’d better start burning churches, for they really love to hate on gay folk, while hiding paedo priests.

What’s that? You don’t want to burn down the Vatican? Why not? They hide paedos.

DC should definitely not hire Gerrold until he finishes his “The War Against the Chtorr” series. I’ve waited a decade since the last book!!!

I’m assuming a lot of people posting thier “disgust” for Card have not actually read anything from the man. Card actually writes gay characters in his own novels and he doesnt make them idiots or sexual deviants, they’re just regular characters. His personal oppinions aside Card is an honest writer and DCs hiring of him will do nothing to promote the anti-gay agenda because Card (unlike many comic writers) does not write to promote his political agenda, he writes to entertain.

I have read nothing more than the above letter by Gerrold but somehow I feel he will not do the same.

I’ve known David Gerrold’s work for years. When I was ten, his was the first book about Star Trek(“The World of Star Trek”)I had ever read. Never knew he was gay, nor would it have mattered to me. Gay or not, this guy should be writing Superman.

Hire him! He’s a great writer. Star Trek the original series is the bomb! Trouble with Tribbles was a good episode (for a light hearted one), and Star Trek the Animated Series was all kinds of awesome!!

I dont care about his personal life.

See how easy that was?

I doubt you will find many folks that will get their respective undergarments of choice in a knot over hiring a gay writer.

If they do—then what? Nothing thats what. Or perhaps more drama_-this time from the counter camp.

Or maybe a boycott war! Yeaaaahhh!! Then when nobody buys DC comics—they can go out of business aaaaaannnnnddd (wait for it)–

EVERYBODY LOSES!!!!!

If you start trying to weed out every creative talent that isnt a carbon copy of your own perosnal identity and views: you will be left in a room by yourself. Hope you are good at shadow puppets.

DC didn’t hire Orson Scott Card to write Superman because he was an anti gay marriage guy. If Gerrold tried to get into DC because he wanted to be a comic book writer then I would be open to his writtings, but as of now I have a high suspicion that he will just write Superman (if he gets the chance) for his political soapbox!

And by the way, I’ve read OSC’s Ender’s game where in all of hell do other people get off saying his work is full of anti gay hate? If that book teaches me anything, it is too hate ants and that because I’m not a kid I must suck at video games.

i never buy superman but i will buy Orson Scott Card’s i’m sick of gay people pushing their agenda. He has every right to his opinions and beliefs if he writes some anti gay remarks in superman complain then. Gay people will use anything they can to get attention stfu and read the comic or don’t

Dennis,

What’s the cause of your hatred of gay people? If he was in the KKK (and he is active in their equivalent), then would you buy his books because he hated black people?

And those of you who don’t realize it, many of us stopped buying Marvel books because of the OSC hire. I dramatically reduced all Marvel titles, and I will do the same to DC if they continue in this path. I would prefer to support companies that treat all citizens as equals, and not employ those who hate on others….

Dennis, you can buy what you want, but so can I……

I don’t hate gay people. Gay people are an evolutionary dead end they can’t reproduce with each other which is one of the fundamental principles of life. Gay people are people they deserve the same rights as anyone else they deserve the right to marry who they want. I am a big fan of Ellen, NPH, Matt Bomer and Jim Parsons.
OSC has a right to his opinions he’s not going to put it into his writing on Superman the other guy is using his gayness to push an agenda to try and normalize something that is not normal, to get a job an more notoriety.

Dennis your views are the real evolutionary dead end. The gay agenda is equal rights for all. Card is a board member on an organization that wants to deny gay partners equal rights and to stop gay people from being able to adopt children. Not wanting to support his work on ethical grounds makes sense.

A few responses to what people have written:

1. It’s not a given that Card’s authorial persona would reflect each one of his beliefs, but it’s very hard to let the work speak for itself when Card has so frequently attached his public image to his personal politics. He is, as Gerrold writes, “a writer for Superman who has written strongly of his opposition to equal rights for LGBT people.” Private beliefs aren’t on the table; public statements are.

2. It’s interesting that Gerrold never asks for any kind of self-censorship from DC; he asks for a gesture of good faith to the community of readers upset by this decision…and a job.

3. A few people seem to think that it is self-serving that Gerrold volunteers for a job writing Superman, but would his sentiments ring true if he didn’t care enough to put his time and name on the table? He’s defeating the obvious objection that highly credentialed queer science-fiction writers who love Superman and have a pitch or two in their heads don’t just grow on trees.

Isn’t it already balance to have one opponent of gay marriage among dozens of other creators who aren’t?

its cool that this guy wants a job, but itr would be more effective if he pushed other openly gay writers and artists, phil jimenez or roberto aguirre sascarra, and it wouldnt seem so self serving

Enough of this hypocrisies of “politically correct”.

When a company is hiring someone, it’s for its competences, professionalism. Point.

What will be the next request? A Democrat Black “whited” trans-genre writer???

Frankly, enough of this s-word. Readers are expecting the best in their books.

Only non capable persons are blahblahblahblah-ing for nothing. Just to do a mess and to have their “10 minutes” in their miserable life.

I don’t know. Does Gerrold have the exact same opinions as me when it comes to abortion, various taxes, guns, education, the death penalty, immigration, euthanasia, the voting age, and the foreign policy?

Because otherwise it would unfortunately be impossible for me to support him.

“I don’t know. Does Gerrold have the exact same opinions as me when it comes to abortion, various taxes, guns, education, the death penalty, immigration, euthanasia, the voting age, and the foreign policy?”

Almost certainly.

So, going by some of the posts (by people like ‘Redacted’) it would be okay for DC to hire a drug lord who kills children as long as he’s a good writer and pens a hearty romp that isn’t political. Hmm… Maybe OJ Simpson could write a chapter, he’s good at fiction. It’s not about the person’s politics or history, it’s about how entertained you’ll be, right? Maybe some terrorists with a literary sense can be brought in as well? Everything is forgotten when you’re entertaining!

IL, does Gerrold have a history of hate-motivated diatribes aimed at telling others how to think and live their lives? Gay-rights activists aren’t try to prevent straight marriage from happening, they’re trying to get their beliefs recognized. Beliefs that do not consist of ‘I think this, so they can’t think that.’

@Hysan

“And any argument from homophobia apologists goes out the window….”

Not quite. It seems to me that everyone will be happy if DC passed Superman into the Public Domain. By making Superman public domain, everyone can write and publish stories for the character. He’s part of the American consciousness, so get rid of Superman’s copyright.

Am I the only one who read David Gerrold’s letter to believe he was writing it with tongue thoroughly in cheek?

I’m sure Gerrold would love to write Superman. But his offer to write Superman to “balance” Card’s hiring seems quite in line with the type of humor he displayed when he wrote “The Trouble with Tribbles” or his fun, semi-autobiographical novella “The Martian Child” (see the Wikipedia entry on his story). He’s got a good, sly sense of humor. I don’t think he seriously expects DC to hire him because he’s gay, in whole or in part.

Perhaps because, like Superman, David Gerrold’s son was born on another planet, which gives Gerrold a perspective only Jonathan and Martha Kent could have. But not because Gerrold’s gay.

@Michael “IL, does Gerrold have a history of hate-motivated diatribes aimed at telling others how to think and live their lives? Gay-rights activists aren’t try to prevent straight marriage from happening, they’re trying to get their beliefs recognized. Beliefs that do not consist of ‘I think this, so they can’t think that.’”

In Ancient (Pre?)History, four cities in Judea were destroyed by a weapon that produced great heat. In India, four cities, including Mohenjo-Daro, were destroyed by nuclear weapons. Although the political and social beliefs of the people of the Indus are not known, the ancient Cannaanite political social beliefs of these four cities were recorded.

They were slain by a weapon that produced enough heat that caused people to evaporate and become piles of mineral salts. Salts that are leeching from the soil in southern Israel and Jordan today. We are an Israelite nation, all 12 tribes of Israel are here, being led by a supposedly Judahite as President. Do you really think that the Levitical Law does not apply to us?

Because we are so special, we are the ones who get spanked the hardest, by weapons which are abominable in power since they release the energy contained in a Thunderstorm all in one instant over a wide area. “Foul is fair; and fair is foul” is society today. We have given the gay rights activists an inch when the Supreme Court said that Adultery is not against the Law if it’s between Consenting Adults. They’ve now ran miles. Now it’s up to God to mete out the punishment.

Sex between a man and a woman is the only way for which Man can reproduce himself. Male and Female can come together and make the miracle of life. A man cannot breed with a man to produce new life. It’s quite impossible.

I agree with Card’s politics, in as much as the result of advocating Gay Marriage as law is producing terrible consequences for our nation. In reality, anyone can be married, but the Gay Activists are using gay marriage as a reason to punish those who disagree with them. Quite frankly, to me, the issue can be solved by releasing Superman into the public domain.

That way, anyone can write for Superman commercially, you don’t need DC as a gateway. This whole controversy has shown how outdated Copyright really is. You guys should be attacking DC’s monopoly over the character.

“In Ancient (Pre?)History, four cities in Judea were destroyed by a weapon that produced great heat. In India, four cities, including Mohenjo-Daro, were destroyed by nuclear weapons. Although the political and social beliefs of the people of the Indus are not known, the ancient Cannaanite political social beliefs of these four cities were recorded.”

So what you’re saying is … ancient gays possessed nuclear weapons?

I was unaware of Card’s beliefs until this whole issue came up. Regardless, his writing has never appealed to me. I don’t understand the popularity of the Ender series – highly overrated, IMO – so I’m unlikely to read his take on Superman based on that alone.

Now Gerrold is a different matter. His novella “The Man Who Folded Himself” is one of the most creative time travel adventures I’ve ever read, so I’m sure he could come up with some interesting stuff.

Sure hire him, half the New 52 writers are crap.

Elton,

Yours is one of the strangest posts I have ever seen.

Gay people get married because they love their partners. Just like other people do.

NO OTHER REASON.

However, it is VERY CLEAR that you have your own agenda (and it is a sad one….).

I find your argument lacking about punishment. How does that statement make any sense at all? Who is being punished? Who is being hurt? And do you have ANY EVIDENCE at all that ‘terrible consequences’ are happening due to gay marriage? In fact, there is no consequence other than some miniimal financial impact due to equal obligations by our governments (where it is allowed).

Maybe someday your heart will be more open, and your brain will be more objective….

“Am I the only one who read David Gerrold’s letter to believe he was writing it with tongue thoroughly in cheek?”

Nah, I definetly think he’s being slightly less than serious.

He’d be a great writer of Superman and I’m sure he’d take the job if it were offered, but suggesting DC hire him for the sake of balance? On that point, he’s clearly just joking.

I’m gay as well and obviously support gay rights. However, I agree with many of the comments above that they should hire the best writer for the job BASED only on their qualifications for writing this title.
Now, if Card was to inject his anti-gay feelings into his writing for this title, then he should not be given the title as he is no longer writing a comic book but he is using it to push his own views on the readers. Also, if this title was to have a strong gay story line then obviously Card would not be a good choice, simply because his personal views would probably not allow him to write a professional unbiased story.

BTW, I’m also a Republican (based on financial issues mainly), but I am sick of minority groups, including gay people, having special awards, etc. I saw 2 minutes of the NAACP Awards a few weeks ago and basically it was the anti-cacusian awards. The main goal for all minority groups is to be integrated into society and have the same rights as every other American. Thus, how does having a BET channel or separate awards shows based solely on race accomplish that. If Caucasians were to create the WET channel, they would be called racists. Many minority groups do not realize that by creating these special awards, groups, etc., they are actually hurting their cause of being treated as equals as they are segregating themselves from other Americans. This double standard has to go.

End of rant.

“If Caucasians were to create the WET channel …”

They have; they’re called NBC, ABC, CBS, etc. Channels like BET and Logo cater to audiences who may not see their lives and interests represented elsewhere. Similarly, accolades like the NAACP Image Awards or the Lambda Literary Awards honor artists and works that might otherwise be overlooked. Complaining those “special awards” hurt some cause is akin to criticizing the existence of the Eisner Awards because, gosh, those comic books are segregating themselves from prose.

Speaking as someone who’s argued in favour of letting Card write the comic (and acknowledging the possibly tongue in cheek aspect of the letter), I wouldn’t want Gerrald to write a Superman *just* to balance things out. But if the guy who created the Tribbles has something to say about Superman, I say go for it and let him write the story. *That* is the reason to let him write the Superman story. Not because he’s gay but because he wrote one of the best Star Trek episodes and deserves our respect as a writer.

they should hire this guy, just because Trouble with Tribbles is an awesome story and I’d love to see him do a take on Golden Age story, I bet it’d be a hoot!

imo, the hiring of comic book writers should be based on 2 criteria, and 2 criteria only

1) the quality of their writing
2) the quality of their story idea

personal beliefs and politics shouldn’t factor in, UNLESS the writer in question uses the gig to push their agenda. THEN the solution is to fire them (or better yet, stop their story in editorial before it ever makes it to production)

There have been gay creators at DC for years. Probably Marvel too.

The writer that addresses DC points this out with ” I wrote two issues of the Babylon 5 comic you published ten years ago”.

When those were released—nobody gave a flying rat turd.

Criminey people–where does this crap end?

I hate to break it to most of the activists out there—but a great part of the “real” comic book community justs wants to read good comics.

They dont care about this crud.

“Similarly, accolades like the NAACP Image Awards or the Lambda Literary Awards honor artists and works that might otherwise be overlooked. Complaining those “special awards” hurt some cause is akin to criticizing the existence of the Eisner Awards because, gosh, those comic books are segregating themselves from prose.”

Not an accurate comparison as anyone of any race can write and be recognized for an Eisner Award and Prose. Those awards are based on merit not race. NAACP, the first qualifying criteria is Race and then they distribute awards based on talent. That is the definition of racism.

To everyone who has said something to the affect of OSC should be allowed to write until, “his personal opinions influence the writing” and then he should be fired or the like, have you read any DC comic in the last 40-50 years? I think it is odd that the idea of Card using this platform to espouse his ideas is grounds for termination, but Denny O’Neil’s very political Hard Traveling Heroes, Batwoman commenting on Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, Joe Kubert’s subversive “war” stories, or practically all of the writing of Gail Simone’s writing is lauded as masterpieces. I’m not a fan of politics in comics, but at least that is a blanket feeling. I don’t want politics from the left or right in my comics (although I’m not willing to call for the firing of any writer on those grounds). The notion that conservatives shouldn’t let their views influence their writing, but it is awesome when liberals do, seems hypocritical to me.

@TonyJ

I’m not against homosexuals getting married in principle, just the political implications. Homosexuals do not need a pastor to marry them, they don’t need any body in principle. If they desire to get married, they can. It’s part of the Law of Cause and Effect.

They are using Gay Marriage, however, to discriminate against others who will not offer them service. They have destroyed businesses with their lawsuits, and destroyed people’s lives. Not hurt anybody, are you serious? A photographer was sued, a wedding cake maker was sued, several other people have been sued because they denied them service.

@Kevin: “So what you’re saying is … ancient gays possessed nuclear weapons?”

Nope. Prehistoric people possessed nuclear weapons. There are strong evidence that nuclear weapons have been detonated in prehistoric times. Besides Mohenjo-Daro, which is obvious, there is also a place in India no one is allowed to build homes upon since it’s still radioactive.

It still seems to me that the best way to make everyone happy is for DC to relinquish Superman’s Copyright into the public domain. That way, anyone can write for Superman about any subject they wish. If they want Superman to have explicit gay sex with Jimmy Olsen after marrying him, then they can publish the story without legal redress from DC.

http://www.change.org/petitions/d-c-comics-to-give-the-rights-of-superman-and-related-characters-to-the-public-domain

I’m getting very tired of people comparing OSC to a member of the KKK. The Comic book community is more liberal by nature so its expected to see one side of the argument more heavily but we mustn’t forget that the issue of gay marriage is not the same as the issue of discrimination based on race. Card does not hate gays, never has he ever implied anything saying that. Opponents of Gay marriage do not have to hate gays, often they are opposed to gay marriage for religious reasons, because it is imbedded in their religious texts. By persecuting Card for his beliefs we are restricting his religious freedoms which is no more ethical than not hiring someone based on their race.

Don’t forget the issue of gay marriage remains vastly undecided in this nation and throughout the world and the reason is because the issue is not as cut and dry as racism. Everyone arguing against Card’s point are doing so with no sensitivity to religion and are in fact using more “hate” than Card ever has despite his rather controversial views.

There are some pretty good commentators in this thread.

Entertainment has always had some preahcy personal views in it. I enjoy watching Law and Order—but their views certainly arent mine on a great many topics. But is it entertaining? Sure it is.

Some folks need to learn how to “eat the meat” of a topic and “throw the bones away”.

In other words–absorb what you want, and throw out what you dont in anything you watch, read, or eat, etc.

Its that simple.

But trying to ban someone who isnt a carbon copy of yourself is stupid.

Vincent Price, Peter Cushing and Christopher Lee were all the best of friends. They all three had differing views on faith, politics, taxes, etc. But they all respected one another and remained friends for decades until the passings of Cushing and Price.

We could learn a lot about how to behave from men like this.

I am tired of all this crap. Just give me good comics. I will read what I like and pitch what I think is poop.

I strongly disagree with Card’s views on this issue, just as I strongly disagree with some of the personal views of Neil Gaiman, Alan Moore, Grant Morrison other talented comic book writers. As long as they don’t put those views into a story I don’t care.

David Gerrold has been a professional writer for at least forty-five years that I am aware of. If he wanted to write Superman before this I doubt DC would have turned him down. This smacks of opportunism and a stunt.

As others have pointed out, there are already plenty of pro-gay comic book writers, not to mention gay creators. DC doesn’t need to balance out Card. And, even if they did, creating some sort of “equal time” precedent won’t do a thing to get good stories. Will we need to balance every liberal writer with a conservative one? Every Christian writer with a Jew or Muslim or Atheist?

Finally, I wish CBR would stop fanning the flames on this issue. It smacks of sensationalism and even bias.

DC shouldn’t hire anyone because they are gay or straight, but because they have a good story to tell that readers will be interested in reading.

DC hiring Gerrold to try and prove their commitment to diversity would be stupid. It wouldn’t prove anything except that their willing to engage in a stunt in order to deflect some bad PR. A number of gay writers and artists have worked for DC over the years, so they have nothing to prove on this front.

I find it bizarre that people are saying creators should be hired based on their strength as writers, not on their personal beliefs (completely ignoring that OSC’s *actions* are the issue), as a defence for OSC… when he has NOT seen any real, lasting, critical praise as an author NOR as a comics writer in the past decade or two. His Ultimate Iron Man, supposedly, was rather poor.

So if you go on quality of writer as your benchmark… why pick Orson Scott Card?

Why should they hire this guy? Are there no people working in comics that are gay now? Balance? Did anyone read the story they are so fast to judge?
A very cheap and classless way to force someone to hire them. Send in a pitch and a sample and prove yourself first.

@Hank: The reason it reeks of bias is because…… there’s obviously some bias. Your olfactories do not deceive you,lol.

Every single time there’s a new gay character ….. it’s practically a gay pride parade on this site.

Focusing on the character…… no matter how lame or cool he or she might be….simply because they are gay.

If Ulysses Solomon Archer (the lead character from Marvel’s abysmal U.S. 1 series) were revealed to be gay—there would be a week’s worth of articles praising the character who currently is the quarter box king.

Its still a good place to find out about comics despite the personal bias of the owners/contributors.

But perhaps thats why they are so concerned about this Card idjit.

Their personal bias is evident in their writings, so they feel his will be evident in his writings as well.

But a good writier is fully capable of writing a work of fiction and keeping his religion, politics, and other b.s out of the equation.

Gerrold would bring “balance”………? That’s laughable. He would only add to the overbalance that already exists in most forms of media and entertainment sources in regards to this issue. Hiring Card hardly brings shame to DC. It makes the company surprisingly BRAVE AND BOLD in my eyes. Nicely done! Where do I get my copy?

Paul–

I’m glad at least one other person on this thread recognizes David Gerrold’s droll humor.

Everyone else who thinks this is “opportunism” or something equally silly — please read it again. And again, if necessary. Perhaps even the third time will be the charm.

This is the guy who wrote “The Trouble with Tribbles.” This is the guy who played a game with his newly adopted son, in which they both pretended that the boy was a Martian–an experience he worked into his novella, “The Martian Child”.

He’s kidding, folks. Try to take it in the humorous spirit in which it was meant. Please!

And yes, he’s a great author who I’m sure could write a great Superman story. In light of “The Martian Child”, I’d love to see him write a story about the young Clark Kent and his parents, in which they speculate about the boy’s origins. A story with a nice humorous touch. I think that could be a very cool story–though hardly the only one that he could write.

>“As content creators we steadfastly support freedom of expression, however the personal views of individuals associated with DC Comics are just that — personal views — and not those of the company itself.”
Unless they are critical of DC creating continuations to Watchmen

I don’t even think a boycott will be necessary, because based on his Ultimate Iron Man material, I just don’t expect OSC’s Superman to be any good. Setting his homophobia and religious kookiness aside, Card has been coasting on the success of Ender’s Game for decades. I don’t think any of his recent NOVELS have been any good, let alone the stuff he’s written for comics.

@kooblah Kahn: now that you mention it, that would explain why the only time this site covers Archie comics is to hype Kevin Keller as if every story about the character is Action Comics 1.

“now that you mention it, that would explain why the only time this site covers Archie comics is to hype Kevin Keller as if every story about the character is Action Comics 1.”

That’s not true at all:

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/tag/archie-comics/

Also, it’s a blog. Bias is intended and encouraged.

The agendas are getting overwhelming.

Interesting … JK Parkin essentially admits theres a bias but then attempts to excuse it with a ” it’s only a blog” defense.

If he has a great story to tell hire then hire him. Comics are an escape from the hate driven messages in politics today, and frustrates me greatly to see political agendas in my books.

It’s a slippery slope to start hiring, firing, and boycotting people on their views. If we did that as fans, and knew the thoughts and politics of creators, would guess this business would be over pretty quickly.

Keep politics out of comics!

“Interesting … JK Parkin essentially admits theres a bias but then attempts to excuse it with a ‘it’s only a blog’ defense.”

It’s not an excuse, it’s the point of the blog … each author is going to bring their own POV and opinions to a topic, unlike a more traditional journalistic outlet that strives — or should strive — for objectivity.

David Gerrold is an awesome writer. He should be hired for that reason alone. He’s a genius. I love his books. I would love to see him do Superman . . . do I think DC will hire him? Nah, not unless Marvel hires him first. The only thing present day DC is capable of is a watered down bad mimicry of Marvel. Sadly in all aspects. JL movie anyone? Yeah, only because Avengers worked and this still can’t get it off the ground. This after not willing to risk a Wonder Woman movie on Joss Whedon. DC grow some imagination and do your own thing stop aping Marvel.

Personally, I say yes. David Gerrold is a great writer, and I’d love to see him take a swipe at Supes…exactly in the same way I think Orsen Scott Card is a great writer and want to see him write a Supes story. I really don’t give a cr*p about the politics behind either individual (and yes, before you slam me I understand OSC’s stand on things and really don’t support it, and I also understand Gerrold’s stand on the issue, and I understand the want for money and notoriety)…I just want some great Superman stories.

Man, I bet DC wish they thought of this independently. This dude wrote “The Trouble With Tribbles”? Why isn’t he writing ALL my comics?!

First off, if this guy wrote the “Superboy” TV series and “The Trouble With Tribbles” he should definitely contribute, at least be commissioned to pitch.

Secondly, I highly doubt that DC is going to allow OSC to write an anti-gay Superman story. I don’t think his story is even going to touch the subject, even if he wanted to.

Finally, to fire Card because of what he does in his spare time is something Frederic Wertham would do. Actually it’s something the groups that boycotted Marvel over Northstar’s marriage would encourage. DC did not hire Card because of his beliefs, they hired him because he is a talented storyteller and wrote one of the best novels in modern sci-fi in “Ender’s Game.” There will not be an anti-gay message in “Adventures of Superman.”

“This is all well and good, but I have a question: does Scott’s story or the series as a whole have anything to DO with gay marriage?”

Orson Scott Card was crazy enough to re-write Hamlet with homophobic themes so… yeah…

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