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Judge denies bond to DragonCon co-founder Ed Kramer

Ed Kramer (Gwinnett County Jail booking photo)

Ed Kramer (Gwinnett County Jail booking photo)

A judge in Georgia today denied bond to Ed Kramer, the DragonCon co-founder who faces child molestation accusations dating back nearly 13 years.

According to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Gwinnett County Superior Court Judge Karen E. Beyers determined the 52-year-old Kramer, who was arrested in September 2011 on charges of violating his bond, might not adhere to the conditions of the order.

Kramer was originally arrested on charges of molesting three teenage boys between 1996 and 2000, but the trial has been repeatedly delayed since his 2003 indictment through legal maneuverings and claims of declining health, which at point point apparently required the attention of 16 physicians. He was first released on bond in November 2000, less than three months after his arrest, but he was back in jail within days when a neighbor reported seeing a teenage boy enter his home.

Following claims of a January 2001 assault by a deputy, Kramer was placed on house arrest, an order later modified to permit travel between Georgia and New Jersey or New York to receive medical treatments and visit his ailing mother. Under the conditions of the bond, he was to report his weekly location and not have any unsupervised contact with children under the age of 16. However, in September 2011, he was arrested in Connecticut after he allegedly was found alone in a hotel room with a 14-year-old boy.

He was extradited back to Georgia in January 2013 to face six counts of child molestation. Kramer’s return to Gwinnett County reignited criticism of his connection to DragonCon, igniting calls for a boycott of the popular Atlanta convention. Although he resigned from the board shortly after his arrest in 2000, Kramer continues to receive annual dividends — $154,000 for 2011 alone, according to Atlanta Magazine — after attempts to buy out Kramer’s stake in the for-profit corporation proved unsuccessful. Event organizers issued a response following the outcry, stating, “there is no simple, legal, solution to this matter … if there were, it would have been resolved long ago.”

The Journal-Constitution reports that at today’s hearing, Kramer appeared in a wheelchair and used an oxygen tank, but had to be wheeled out of the courtroom because he said he wasn’t feeling well. However, two witnesses testified to seeing him on movie sets in Connecticut and Kentucky, where he appeared to have no problems standing, walking or breathing.



According to Kramer’s attorney McNeil Stokes, that’s about $150,000 every year, not just 2011.

my son knew him personally,that man came to my home,,,that is scary,,he took my child with other little boys and went on an mountain climbing excursion…oh my god,this is just cant be true,,,this man is sick,I thought there was something about him,I couldnt put my finger on,weard in behaviour,quiet,subdued,no personality,nice,but not very upfront to me.I talk to him personally,and he told me about dragoncon,my son use to go there for years with his friends,so Ed was involved in our family,but this is scary..Iam speaking to my son now…

That’s why, as a parent, you have to be sooo careful with who your children are associating with. There is something WRONG with a 50-something year old wanting to spend all his time alone with young boys. I should know, I have an uncle who is a child molester and he did the same thing. Strangely, whenever he’d make a “friend” they would never stick around for very long… My dad would often go out of his way to warn any families my uncle would attempt to associate with. But you can never be too careful when it comes to your children. If you have a bad feeling about someone, follow your gut and keep them away!

I imagine it’s gonna be tougher and tougher for attendees and guests who’re going go to DRAGON*CON this year to go to Atlanta with a clear conscience on their minds, with Kramer’s loooooong-delayed trial finally underway and weekly news updates on his courtroom antics… explaining the reason WHY he’s in the position he’s in today.

Now, there’ll be NO excuses for all those SF/Fantasy/Comics/Skeptic attendees and various invited Genre Guests to feign ignorance on the facts that he’s charged with molesting underage boys during the late ’90s, and that 31% of the DRAGON*CON profits to go to his pockets, from his position of being one of the D*C
founding committee members, even though he’s no longer “officially” with the convention.

They’ll go in KNOWING FULLY that monies they’re helping D*C generate with their attendance tickets and fandom pull went to help Kramer evade trial since his arrest in 2000— and that it will “legally” continue going to him until the DRAGON*CON corporation dissolves.

/comicdom follies

From the vibe i got from friends who did the staffing at dc, it seem they pretty much for years slowing put them self away from him. and so on. over all dragon con is still a wonderful party event to attend =D

April 27, 2013 at 8:51 pm

“From the vibe i got from friends who did the staffing at dc, it seem they pretty much for years slowing put them self away from him. and so on. over all dragon con is still a wonderful party event to attend =D”

It’s unfortunate that one of their partners turned out to be a child molester, but no amount of their distancing is keeping him from profiting from Dragon Con. No matter how wonderful a party might be its not worth putting money in his pocket.

I’ll put it this way, I’m not interested in giving this guy any of my money. But I’m even less interested in making other people suffer because of him. There’s hundreds of people affiliated and connected to DragonCon who have nothing to do with this man. I don’t think they should pay the price for his actions. Enough people have paid far more dearly as a result of that. In the end, money isn’t really going to help this guy where he’s going, anyway.

S. Hebden: “According to Kramer’s attorney McNeil Stokes, that’s about $150,000 every year, not just 2011.”

Well, his attorney also says that he’s always been a strict, devout practicing Jew, that all of his medical claims are genuine, that he’s totally innocent and that he wants to get this to trial to clear his name. Given that, I’d take anything he says with grain of salt.

Besides, that’s not possible. Dividends don’t work like that. they’re not a set number like a salary is. Dividends are calculated based on after expense profit at the end of the fiscal year. That number is never the same so the dividend would never be the same.

Looking at Dragon*Con specifically, it’s even less likely to have been near that over the years. Just looking at the easy to spot indicators, you can see that the Dragon*Con of just 2006 wasn’t even half as large as it is now. Paid attendance figures are almost 2.5 times higher, there’s more dealer space and thus more vendors paying for spots, and they appear to be doing a little more in the way of merchandising. It’s not quite as easy to draw a straight line based on such factors, but it’s not an unreasonable guess that shares in Dragoncon/Ace Inc. as recently as 2006 were worth, at best, worth about half of what they are now.

And that doesn’t even factor in years when part of the after expenses profit was converted into investment capital and thus reduced the amount paid in dividends. We know from the discussion of it in a 2002 Creative Loafing in Atlanta piece that 2002 was a year where no dividends were paid on shares. That rings true looking at the expansion of the convention in 2003-2005. They were a smaller convention in 2002 and would have generated less total profit. It’s very easy to see them wiping out a year of dividends by converting them to investment capital.

I have no doubt that Dragoncon/Ace Inc. is doing well for itself these days, but there is no viable model that would support the idea that their shares have had the same value every year for the last decade plus that they have now. Do you think that shares paid the same in 2000 that they do now? Do you think that they would have paid as much in 1987 as they did in 2000? That’s just not how shares and dividends work.

Disgusted withDigitalJedi

April 29, 2013 at 7:37 pm

you and others like you digital jedi, DISGUST me. “I’m just trying to help the people who run Dragon Con”, the people who knew he wasn’t right, had suspicions, looked the other way, Yeah those people need the help, even though it also helps Ed Kramer. Just be honest and admit you love the freak show, wanna get your groove on with horny cosplayers and you won’t let a little thing like the money you spend helping a accused sexual predator of children corrupt our legal system. you have already given him over 1 million dollars in the 12 years since he was accused. That little boy in Connecticut that he is accused of being inappropriate with as well, thanks you for keeping him out of jail so long. You, Pat Henry and the rest of the disgusting MolestorCon attendees make me sick.


May 2, 2013 at 10:21 pm

It’s so fun watching people like Disgusted blather on, I wonder if Nancy’s lips move when they talk. They don’t have enough brain cells to realize that if there was no DragonCon, he would still be in the exact same position, arguing before the court that he’s too sick to go to trial, but they just don’t seem interested in addressing that. They just scream that anyone who goes to the event is an explicit supporter of Kramer.

Jerry Chandler: I’m certain that Ed Kramer’s attorneys are saying all kinds of stuff that might not turn out to be true. I am equally certain, however, that they have a considerably firmer grasp on his financials than you do.

C. Phillips,

So your saying that your position is basically that you’re certain that Kramer’s attorney says all sorts of things that aren’t true, but you’ll call it true if it suits your preferred narrative and that you’ll also ignore basic business 101 concepts to hold to that narrative.

Natch. Gotcha.

So answer the question I asked up there. Do you really believe that the dividends paid on shares were the same in 2006 that they were in 2011? Do you think that they were the same in 2000? How about 1987?

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