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Grumpy Old Fan | Does ‘Justice League 3000′ have a future?

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Oh, DC, you came so close to a slam dunk. If you had told me Keith Giffen, J. Marc DeMatteis and Kevin Maguire would be working on Legion of Super-Heroes, I’d have been beyond excited. After all, Justice League International was nothing if not a superb ensemble comedy, and what richer source of super-ensemble action does DC have than the Legion?

Instead, though, we’re getting Justice League 3000, set in the Legion’s 31st century and apparently following the events of August’s final Legion issue, but not explicitly tied to the 55-year-old super-team. This raises two questions. First, whither the Legion itself? DC has previously put the Legion on hiatus, although never for too long, so one wonders how long it’ll lie dormant this time. Second, why does it have to be such a familiar Justice League? The initial roster includes Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, the Flash and Green Lantern, with redesigns (courtesy of Howard Porter) that retain some fairly familiar elements. Is the League being “Avengers-ized,” so that every major super-team must have some “JL” in its name?

And those two questions combine for a third: How sustainable is JL3K, really?

At the risk of being too obvious, the answer no doubt depends on how readers react to the new title. Giffen, DeMatteis and Maguire’s Justice League relaunch was different enough both from its immediate predecessor (“Justice League Detroit”) and the classic Justice League of America style that’s now its own brand.

What’s more, the three turned things around rather quickly. Although Maguire left Justice League International following the 24th issue, the book had already become popular enough to warrant a spinoff. On Justice League Europe, Giffen provided the plots and page breakdowns, while DeMatteis scripted the early issues. (William Messner-Loebs took over for DeMatteis on JLE, and Gerard Jones followed Messner-Loebs.) Meanwhile, DeMatteis was writing JLI-related solo series like Dr. Fate and Mr. Miracle, in addition to his regular scripting duties on the renamed Justice League America. Giffen and DeMatteis also guided the oversized anthology Justice League Quarterly. All in all, they spent five years on the various League books, taking a bow with 1992’s JLA #60.

Since then, they’ve reunited a few times: for 2003’s Formerly Known As the Justice League miniseries and its sequel (the JLA Classified arc “I Can’t Believe It’s Not the Justice League”); for a Defenders miniseries at Marvel; and for a “Metal Men” backup series in the most recent Doom Patrol revival. During this period, Giffen and DeMatteis created another superhero comedy for BOOM! Studios, Hero Squared; and later returned to a character they helped redefine, when they co-wrote Booster Gold for a year (issues 32-43). The two are getting ready to launch a Larfleeze series with artist Scott Kolins. Meanwhile, among other work (including a cheesecake-heavy Batgirl/Catwoman arc for Batman Confidential), Maguire’s creation Tanga appeared in two DC miniseries, the revivals of Weird Worlds and My Greatest Adventure. Maguire was also co-penciler (with George Pérez) on the current Worlds’ Finest series.

Accordingly, while all three have been working fairly steadily, they haven’t done anything regularly since “Doom Patrol” ended in 2010; and their last collaboration was for the DC Retroactive: JLA — The ‘90s special. Neither of those were positioned to sell particularly well — and, to be honest, neither is Larfleeze, despite its Green Lantern connection. That’s not so much a concern as it is a comparison, as you’d have to think a new-ish Justice League title is going to get a lot of attention, especially with Giffen, DeMatteis and Maguire involved. Those are two big factors in JL3K’s favor, and the mystery of just who these Leaguers are may well add to the hype.

Along those lines, there seem to be a few basic possibilities for the origin of this new League. They could be existing Legionnaires — Bleeding Cool suggested (and then retracted) Mon-El or Kent Shakespeare, plus Night Girl and maybe Celeste McCauley, along with a handful of more obscure future-DC folk.  They could be the present-day League, thrown forward in time as a result of “Trinity War.” (That would explain their Forever Evil absences.) For that matter, Superman and Wonder Woman are practically immortal, so they could still be active in the 31st century. There is much speculation that the Flash and Wonder Woman are actually Wally West and Donna Troy, either displaced in space and time or just “New 52-ized” for this title.

Of course, they could simply be new characters, inspired by the Legion’s example to take up the identities of the previous millennium’s Justice League, just as the Legion itself was inspired by Superman and colleagues. That would probably be the simplest explanation, but perhaps not the most marketable, assuming DC is using both the “Justice League” name and the A-list costumes to rekindle interest in the Legion’s home era. (For whatever it’s worth, Giffen told CBR that the familiar roster helped sell him on the series.) Calling this book Justice League 3000 is a clear attempt to give it instant significance, such that fans may think it “matters” more than another Legion relaunch would.

That sort of cynical perspective is most likely at odds with the work itself, as Giffen, DeMatteis and Maguire told Newsarama that JL3K will be pretty much what you’d expect. Assuming it does take place in the immediate aftermath of whatever happens to the Legion, there should be frequent unflattering comparisons between the new and old super-teams, as well as world-weary banter among the Leaguers, and a healthy amount of broad humor. Given Giffen’s history with the Legion, the new League’s adventures should also be grounded in DC lore (which would be an ironic development for a New 52 comic, since the Legion’s history was somewhat insulated from the relaunches in the present-day books).

Wherever (or whenever) they come from, though, JL3K’s characters should have some strong interpersonal relationships. JLI’s “one punch!” scene is probably the best-known single moment from Giffen, DeMatteis and Maguire’s run, and it came from character interaction. It wasn’t subtle character interaction, obviously, but it illustrated succinctly how Batman’s no-nonsense leadership style dealt with Guy Gardner’s outsized ego. Perhaps more important were the other Leaguers’ reactions: Blue Beetle doubled over with laughter, J’Onn J’Onzz taking it all in stride, and Black Canary depressed for having missed it.

In keeping with League tradition, the first couple of years of Justice League International also boasted a variety of storytelling approaches, from globally flavored adventure (stopping a terrorist threat at the United Nations, dealing with another super-team’s incursion into the Soviet Union) to magic-based threats, alien invasions, a super-spy parody and a somewhat-unusual (back then) trip to Apokolips. These stories varied in length from a single issue to a series of arcs connected by subplots, and they seem to be a blueprint for the first year of JL3K. The Giffen/DeMatteis-written issues of Booster Gold were structured similarly, so it’s not like the approach hasn’t been tried in a while.

Still, despite my eagerness to see JL3K, and despite the confidence I have in this team, the book feels like a placeholder until the actual Legion of Super-Heroes returns. Because the Legion’s history wasn’t especially affected by the New 52’s continuity rewrites, it felt disconnected from the rest of the superhero line in a way that similarly-protected franchises like Batman and Green Lantern didn’t. In other words, whatever the merits of the book itself, the New-52 didn’t do the Legion any favors by effectively denying it a fresh start.

Meanwhile, Justice League 3000 has the potential to be lots of fun. I know, I know — us fans of the bwah-ha-ha always think Giffen, DeMatteis, and Maguire can do no wrong; but so far, their collective schtick has held up. Still, part of me hopes JL3K turns out to be a stealth Legion relaunch, because, boy, do I want to see these guys take on Matter-Eater Lad …

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I swear, I have no idea WTF this dude is even talking about. Complaining about a book that hasn’t even hit the stands yet.

@samurai36

Did you even read the article? He’s addressing his CONCERNS about what this book cold, and he also takes time to say that he book could be good. He’s saying why he’d prefer this creative team do Legion because they’d be absolutely perfect for it, not why he thinks they shouldn’t do this book. I know it’s hard to wrap your dudebro head around it, but they’re actually separate things. Seriously, as he said, the potential alone for bwa-ha-ha plus Matter Eater Lad is enormous.

*what this book could be

It’s at least as sustainable as Earth 2 seemed to be at the beginning. How many people thought that wouldn’t make it out of its wave of titles?

And with this creative team? As long as they plan on staying for a good long run, they’ll be fine.

Definitely looking forward to this title. Seeing how it fits into the present and future DCU is going to be half the fun. Hope it won’t be a letdown.

Do you mean the writers or the Justice League take on Matter-Eater Lad?

Personally, I’m not buying this unless a new Legion title was being launched first, or if this was an Elseworlds. Because this just feels like a cliche.

Another Justice League Title…I must agree, between DC and Marvel, now every team is either Justice League this or Avengers that. Being a Longer than most of you have been alive Legion of Super Heroes fan I must say, I dislike seeing the LSH being on hiatus while they try out this book. How I wish for the days when there were more characters than just Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman that DC actually tried to develop. I have not seen the book, I enjoy that creative team, but I myself will have to pass on this JL 3000. I will wait for the next implosion at DC for it to revamp everything again. Yes, we all know it is coming, it happens every 15-20 years, maybe this time sooner. Hopefully this time the circle will carry it back to being Detective Comics instead of Daily Crossovers. DC is doing one hell of a job of marketing its books and I hope this title works out for it . So DC, you really need to give it more that 5-6 issues before you decide to cancel it as it seems is your S.O.P for this NEW 52. Nothing ventured nothing gained. I will agree with Tom Bondurant about seeing this creative team on LSH. But Tom Bondurant wants to contain their writing style from the 90s here in 2013, and writers who do not show signs of growth tend to fade out. That style of writing worked well for Justice League International but I can not see it panning out for every book he writes.

I’m giving this a chance (digitally) at least. The last interview I read said they had the first 12 issues planned and they are working on the second year. DC will give them at least a year. As for @Emram said I don’t think you have to worry about them growing. They have changed thier style from the 80’s early 90’s till now. They also stated that they know this is not JLI. There will not be as much comedy cause this team does not lead to that however their will be some. It should be a fun book anyway and I’ll give it a try. Why not?

@Anonymous:

Yes, I did read his rant. Saying “it could he good”, while pining away for something long gone is nonsensical. Besides, Matteis has already said why he’s not doing Legion now, or why they are not going back to the whole “bwahaha” schtick. It was both on here, as well as on Nrama.

I dunno what a “dudebro” is, but it sounds like so ethibg kinda dumb, that I wouldn’t have anything to do with.

As an older, long-time fan I’m starting to see that DC and Marvel are “leading” by following what they think readers want. They appear to be throwing things at the wall to see what sticks and then going with that. I just like reading good, entertaining stories. I’m not much into gimmicks. The Legion of Super-Heroes, and Legionnaires, was fun to read because it was unique. Justice League Beyond and Justice League 3000 doesn’t interest me.

Concerning the Legion books, I cannot think of one hiatus in the past 40 years.

As for this book, I love the creative team but I really do not think that the Legion needed to disappear.
Sure, the Legion is always going to be very niche, it is never going to sell as well as Justice League, but it always had one of the most loyal fanbases and some of the most invested writers.

Nice piece, Tom, I’m pretty much of the same mind. If this isn’t a stealth LSH relaunch, I wouldn’t mind a ten-page Action Comics back-up until the team regain their own series. Get Sholly Fisch, Chris Sprouse and Karl Story on the line!

It comes down to this: Legion sold well in the 80’s. It doesn’t sell anymore. JLI sold nice in the 80’s early 90’s. It doesn’t sell anymore. Prime-timer Justice League sells.

@ Squashua
That is definitely true. The thing is DC cannot just cancel every series which does not feature Batman, Superman or Green Lantern and replace them by comics that do.

If that ginger flash turns out to be Wally, I’m in.

Andrew Collins

June 21, 2013 at 1:32 pm

I’ll buy anything this trio teams up on to create, though I’ll admit, the concept doesn’t necessarily excite me much by itself. But I have confidence they can make it work for me…

Yeah, I’m looking forward to this. Would of been great if it was the DC 1 million Justice League (would love to see John Fox again), but I’ll check it out either way. They should make it a 40 page $4 titles and have the Legion as a back up.

Of course JL3000 has no future because it already is set in the future.Don’t you guys get it?

Johnny Sarcastic

June 23, 2013 at 9:30 am

@DarthShap
“The thing is DC cannot just cancel every series which does not feature Batman, Superman or Green Lantern and replace them by comics that do.”

They can’t? That might be the silliest thing I’ve ever read. I’m pretty sure they can do anything they want with their series. If nothing but those types of titles sell, then that’s all we’re going to get. They’re a corporation – they don’t “owe” you, me, or any of us anything.

For the life of me I will never understand this entitlement. New 52 is the first time since 1991 I stopped buying Superman. I miss the books very much, but I understand that whatever this new direction they’re taking is – if it’s not for me, it’s obviously for other people. It sucks, but that’s a fact.

People vote for a product with their money. The end.

@ Johnny Sarcastic: As a company they do owe their customers satisfaction and if the multiple iconic titles were selling all that well for long runs it would be worth their while to oversaturate the market the way they have but do the numbers reflect that or not? Has this ploy really brought in new readers or not? By putting out too many iconic titles they undercut everything else in their catalog.To me it’s the Land of Diminishing Returns but only the numbers will tell.

Johnny Sarcastic

June 23, 2013 at 10:32 am

@Alton

They “owe” their customers satisfaction? So, if a book costs DC Comics more money than it makes, they are obligated to you and the people buying it to continue making the book at a loss? What planet do you live on? Are you posting on the internet after experiencing devastating brain trauma?

DC hires talent. They pay that talent, and that talent produces a book. They pay to produce multiple copies of that book and sell them.

You pay $2.99, $3.99, whatever for a book. You get the story inside the book. There is no ‘satisfaction guaranteed’ label anywhere, no agreement as such. Your exchange is concluded – you gave them dollars, and they gave you a 32 page, 40 page, whatever-page book. That’s the end of that.

If, at the end of the month, there isn’t enough ‘you’s’ buying that particular book, then it doesn’t justify paying the talent and paying to produce that book. In order to stay in business, they cancel that book and pay that talent to do something else that might make them more money, or stop paying that talent altogether.

I’m sure they’d be happy to publish Legion if it was making money – it’s not like they want to lose money. Legion wasn’t secretly making them bajillions of dollars and they were like, “oh, you know who we hate? Legion fans. Let’s cancel this sucker and make them all boom-boom in their diapers.” I’m desperately sad about the cancellation of ‘Dial H,’ but after seeing the numbers I understand it. I did all I could do – I bought my copy per month.

You have every right to dislike a decision. You have every right to talk about how you feel about that decision. But really – someone please explain to me rationally why there are so many people that feel like they are “owed?”

The people that seem to bash DC over Superman,. Batman and Justice League books need to remember that this is the same company that brought you Sword of Sorcery, Men of War, Frankenstein, All Star Western, OMAC, Dial H for Hero, Demon Knights, Threshold, Swamp Thing, etc. They do try different things and some of those things sell and some do not. To say that they don’t try new things is disingenuous. If people don;t support those books, the company has no choice but to cancel them, including Legion. The fact that they at least try to put something new and different out there should get them at least a little credit. It’s the success of the Batman, Superman, and Justice League books that allows them to take chances on other genres and characters that may struggle.

@Johnny Sarcastic

You sir have just said every point that I would have said. That is totally correct. People are not owed for the entertainment they purchase, see, or etc. The companies produce it, and the CONSUMER pays for it and looks. If you don’t like it, is that their fault? Sometimes, maybe. But if it’s up to a good quality, then who are you to judge?
This whole entitlement bullshit is getting on my nerves, and comic fans are the worse with it. You are not owed anything because they market to you. If anything, you owe them for the money they’re wasting even publishing a book that’s losing them money.
As for JL 3000, okay, I see it’s not for me. I’m not buying it. But am I going to complain and say they owe me? Nope. What am I going to do? BUY SOMETHING I LIKE. Why? Because it’s being smart and not wasting my time here.

Honestly, i’m really excited for this book, I think it could have a lot of potential and I like the team’s idea of having a book where you don’t have to buy other books to get the full story. On the other hand, what’s with Batman’s suit? If we’re in the year 3000, I feel like the Batman Beyond Suit should me present here, am I right?

I’ll buy Justice League 3000 and give it a fair chance. But that doesn’t mean I don’t lament the disappearance of the Legion, which has always been one of my favorite teams, if not always one of my favorite books. The frustrating part of all this is watching the Legion wither on the vine the last several years. When Paul Levitz was announced as returning, I was excited – he was a large part of the Legion’s prime, when it was one of DC’s most popular books. But it became quite clear early on that the magic wasn’t happening a second time. The stories were lackluster, the villains generic and the art, while good, was nothing special – there was nothing in the book that was ‘sparking’. And yet, this went on – and on and on, through the 52 reboot and everything was left as is, as if the book was working – and it wasn’t. DC basically let the book die. To make it worse, Keith Giffen was added for two issues – two issues that for me, started to bring the book alive again. Yes, shocking things happened; yes, I didn’t necessarily agree with everything that was happening – but for the first time in a very long time, the book was surprising me again – there was a ‘spark’ again! So, before canceling the book, we got to see what might have been for two months – and I wondered, why did they wait so long? Is it too late? And it turned out, it was.

And I know it’s popular for people to complain that the book just has too many characters. But that was a plus for the book back in the 80’s. And it certainly doesn’t seem to bother X-Men readers these days. So I don’t really buy that argument.

The Legion can work again – they’ve made it work in the past, from being very popular to being mildly successful. This time, it’s like DC set the book on autopilot, jumped ship and waited to see how long it would go before it crashed.

DC only owes their bosses and shareholders.

I only owe them the money for any book(s) I choose to read….which lately has been nothing.

Will check this out if that’s Wally, but the only stories I ever cared to read about on an ongoing basis that featured ‘the future’ were Star Trek Classic and novelized classic science fiction.

Would rather this be another multiverse Earth’s Justice League team than something that seems to be stepping on LOSH fan toes. ( I don’t think it is.)

To be honest, would rather that not be Wally West at all because then I’ll be getting a book for the character alone. Would rather also be getting it for the humor, adventure, and setting.

What, haven’t you heard? Matter Eater Lad IS the new Batman…

I can’t believe no one has mentioned the opposite of this effect…. remember in the 80’s Legion was spun backwards…
L.E.G.I.O.N. ’89 using almost the same template as a Legion team with Giffen plotting and Maguire on the covers….

hello parallel?

I’m betting the only connection between this and LoSH is that they both take place in the 31st century. Other than that, I’m expecting no connection. Why does there have to be a connection anyways? Maybe this the 31st century of Earth 2 or something. There are numerous possibilities.

I really don’t get DC and Marvel sometimes. Here, DC is re-wrapping yet another fringe comic. They keep re-wrapping stuff with similar results.

I wonder if DC will ever try a creator owned section where they accept submissions from creators. They could really use a breath of fresh air. DC has so many lame books (as does Marvel). Why not take on new material and anything that is decent can take place on ‘Earth 3′ and be a limited series. Anything that wows can become a regular series.

I guess newer readers don’t have the same view but I’ve been around for a while. So much of this stuff is recycled. The characters get some slight changes, from time to time, and the stories are VERY similar to stuff that was done years ago.

Image and Dark Horse have taken a step back and I often try and look for cool/fun books not done by Marvel/DC. There’s a lot of crap out there. Hopefully JL3K isn’t more trash.

Jonny_Anonymous

June 23, 2013 at 5:11 pm

Why would a bog standard Justice League line up sell you on a book? That would put me off more than anything else.

nobody’s speculating that the JL3K Flash could be Wally West? Finally???

Johnny Sarcastic

June 23, 2013 at 5:33 pm

@AC
@Kyer

Thank goodness not every comic book fan in the world is a self-entitled whiner.

The comic book industry is the only one that I can think of off of the top of my head that is as generous with it’s corporate money as it is – they give a book much more time to find an audience than, say, most television networks do with a show… and yet you still get these rabid and all-too-vocal minorities of a book that just isn’t performing by any measure lighting up the internet and making sure everybody knows that Company X is actually the devil and also they created the ebola virus and crashed the stock market for canceling Book Y. Somehow these people actually feel like the company has somehow searched them out for an individual, personalized slight and canceled the series to spite them.

All of that being said, I’m interested in this book, which is good because I miss having DC in my pull pile. I like the idea that they want this one book to be ‘gospel’ for the characters so there won’t be inter-connecting books that you have to buy. I’m sure that would change in the future if the book becomes a hit, but for now, it’ll be nice to settle into something and not have to worry about continuity as more than window dressing for the characters and their heroic lineage.

If that Flash is Wally West I’m sold on the book lol.

Someone here said: “how I wish there were more character books than just Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman” …
Earth 1, Aquaman, The Flash, Teen Titans, Phantom Stranger, Constantine, Animal Man, Swamp Thing, Dial H, The Movement, Jonah Hex, Nightwing, Justice League Dark, Catwoman, Katana, Vibe, then there’s the whole Vertigo line and books that people apparently didn’t buy enough, Firestorm, Demon Knights, Grifter, Hawkman, Deathstroke, etc etc.

Jorge Martinez

June 24, 2013 at 8:12 am

I’m a huge Legion fan and I don’t get the negativity for this new book. I’ve been wanting other 31st century related books for years (Wanderers?!).

I don’t see it as a replacement at all. In the past I never wanted to see Supes, Bats, GL in the 31st century but the Legion has had many chances and haven’t sold.

Would they sell with a star creative team? Yes, ofcourse they would but so would any other book. But Geoff Johns and Jim Lee on anything and it would sell.

I think this is a chance to make the 31st century relevant again and maybe give the Legion a better chances in the future.

In other words as long as i don’t get ANOTHER REBOOT I dont mind them shaking things up in the 31st century a bit.

A couple of things.

First, I know that their is a sub-set of comic readers who LOVE the Legion, but for those of us who don’t follow it, it seems that the series was far too beholden to past continuity and characters. The backstory is so dense, that without a great writer capable of explaining that history to new readers, the LSH is always going to be bogged down by the sheer weight of it’s own history. I’ve been a DC reader for a very long time, and I was never a Legion reader until the Five Years Later arc, and the only reason I started reading that is because Giffen was doing the art, and I dropped the book within 6 months of Giffen’s departure.

Second, personally I think DC missed a golden opportunity to pare back the LSH with the new 52. Take the series back to it’s roots. Make the new Superboy the inspiration for the LSH, as he was originally (that doesn’t mess with continuity because it isn’t Kal). Perhaps utilizing the new villain Harvest as the impetus for introducing Superboy to the 31st century. Make it a small team with a mix of classic and newer characters, slowly re-introducing the remaining characters as the plot unfolds over the next few years. A perfect jumping on point for new readers, and a lot easier to read. The multiple plot lines of the current LSH was quite annoying and frankly, not handled very well by Levitz.

Third, I’m going to give any thing from Giffen/DeMattias/Maguire a chance. I had stopped buying comics in the late 80’s and the JLI & Sandman was what drew me back in. And I can only hope that somehow they find a way to bring Tenzil Kem into the story.

Fourth, I really don’t see what the issue is with the New 52 reboot. It’s been done before, and it will be done again. While I enjoy the continuity based aspects of a shared universe of characters, sometimes that very continuity gets in the way of telling a good story, or attracting new readers. Have all of the books been good? No, but no company is ever going to publish a large line that appeals to all. As a fan I would love to see fewer Bat-books & JLA family books (and do we really need a 5th GL title?) and a smaller overall line. Personally I would cut the current 13 books a week down to 8 and combine some of the lesser selling titles into anthology books (wouldn’t a 48 page, $5.99 title with 4-6 stories be cool?), but that ain’t gonna happen in the current market

Fifth, as to the charge that DC & Marvel are only publishing books from the best selling families, a lot of that is on us consumers. If we don’t buy the other books, the companies have no incentive to publish them. With that being said, I will also assign some of the blame on the direct market model. Under a non-returnable regime, most stores are not going to take a chance on marginal titles. The store I go to buys no shelf copies of any DC or Marvel book that doesn’t have at least 10 subscription customers. Is this going to grow the audience? Probably not, but the guy has been in business for over 20 years, so I can’t argue with the logic.

i can see the Legion resting and this carving out it’s own place in the 31st century….. and then Legion spinning out of this title…

people act like the Legion have never been on hiatus before …. seriously this ISN’T the first time the Legion ended and come back

Brian from Canada

June 25, 2013 at 2:54 am

Mike:

I disagree with you that Legion was beholden to its past. Batman is far more tied to what’s gone on before than Legion. And I totally disagree with you on the need to pare down the Legion as well.

What DC failed to do — and I have posted this numerous times — is give new readers someone to follow. There was no single character to do the exposition for us. Instead, as readers approaching New 52 Legion, we were thrown a group of characters without a primer (many of them were not in Secret Origin) and so much going on that it created a sense of whiplash.

When Legion is good it’s using a situation/small group of characters to lead into the big one. And when they did try a small group of Legionnaires in Legion Lost, it was more for Teen Titans than Legion: Lost should have gone back to Legion at the end and then spun out into a second book (Legion) that would redefine how the Legion works. But they didn’t want to interfere with Levitz, and it shows how much DC was not concerned.

As for the whole “family” situation, it’s a Catch-22 situation. Marvel and DC publish more of the books that sell; if they do not, they slide down the sales chart and are deemed irrelevant.

DC tried with New 52 to inject some diversity into its core. Unfortunately, it’s slipping away. All of the recent title announcements are aimed at expanding the Justice Leagues at the expense of the company’s other characters. And I think that’s where the complaints really originate.

All-Star Western, Animal Man, Earth-2, Suicide Squad, Stormwatch, The Green Team, The Movement and Worlds’ Finest are the ONLY books now not directly connected to the Justice Leagues in some ways — and that assumes All-Star Western doesn’t become a Bat-book with Hex now in modern day Gotham.

Dark has Constantine, Phantom Stranger (see upcoming crossover), Swamp Thing.
JLA has Green Arrow, Vibe and Katana.
And everything else is a Justice League character or their immediate spinoff.
That’s not good — no matter how good the creative team appears to be.

First thing first. Sorry for my english (I’m french ^^ )

I think LosH haven’t totally put toward New 52. Some Leaguer have been stuck in the present (Legion lost). I even don’t know what happen to them. I think some have return home, but are not in LosH since the end of Legion Lost.

For JL3000, I concern to. Fist of the title. Like Marvel they use a name licence for substain a new book.
Then the rooster. Please, I prefere have Donna & Wally lost in Limbo than in is parodic league.
Their look are awfull. I will not anymore defend the return to the batgirls (Cassie & Steph) because if it’s for erasing what make them the character I loved, It’s not worth it. I have already trouble with the new Black Adam & Lady Shiva (Man, the old character eat them at breakfast).

And then the artistic team. I hate them. I don’t like their JLI, I don’t like their Larfleeze, I don’t like what they done to Booster gold (I loved the title before them). And I don’t like the attempt to remack their league in mini serie.
So no I will not try this book.

I hope for the return of Phantom Girl and other Leaguer that I have learn to like. And Even if some are is this title it will not be enough.

The New 52 have great new title (Wonder Woman, Earth 2, Aquaman for exemple) but lack of structure.
We don’t know what have happen and who. Blackest night seem limited to Oa.
And Why have some character apparing and then put in limbo (Ravagers, Legion Lost, JLI leaguers …)

I so wanted to see a Booster gold title or a Global Guardian (I miss Godiva & August general in iron).
So Dc have screwed this time.

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