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Quote of the Day | The rehabilitation of Minnie and Daisy

26424MinnieDaisyMag-xlg“They say that every character is somebody’s favorite, but I really can’t believe that that’s true about Minnie Mouse and Daisy Duck. Oh, I’m sure that lots of people collect their merchandise but it’s hard to imagine anyone does it because they’re such funny, fleshed out characters. Let’s face it, for the last seventy or so odd years they’ve been fairly toxic female stereotypes of Olive Oyl proportions: bow wearing, squeaky voiced, clingy, emotionally demanding killjoys who seem to have been exclusively engineered to let boys know from an early age that girls are weird and no fun. And to see them being turned into actual characters that girls might actually like, well, I never thought I’d live to see that day.”

— retailer Steve Bennett, on his discovery of the new Minnie and Daisy BFF Magazine, which reinvents the two ladies of Disney as middle-school friends. Like all the Disney magazines, it has a mix of content that includes comics, and Bennett points out that this is the first comic since BOOM! Studios’ last issue of Darkwing Duck to show classic Disney characters.

It looks like this is a special issue of Disney Fairies Magazine, and hopefully it will lead to more. It’s nice to see Disney reinventing its characters like that.

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“bow wearing, squeaky voiced, clingy, emotionally demanding killjoys who seem to have been exclusively engineered to let boys know from an early age that girls are weird and no fun.”

See also Calvin & Hobbes..? Also, Daisy’s always been both more mature and better voiced than Donald.. how that’s ‘toxic’ I’m not sure.

This … really sounds like an 80′s thinking to do. Like turning Baloo into a pilot or Chip and Dale into detectives or Goofy into a doting single dad.

Also, I don’t really get the criticism. There’s really no negative stereotype of Minnie, mainly because she’s not really a character. You know who’s not really a character either? Mickey. They’re both these sorta bland cyphers who exist primarily as corporate mascots, but don’t really have any discernible personalities beyond generally likable. Compare Mickey during his Steamboat Willie days to whatever the heck Mickey is now, and you sorta see that he’s basically been stripped of anything resembling a character.

So when Bennett says Minnie is “clingy,” I’m totally at a loss as to where he’s getting this. Because from my POV, she’s in the same corporate non-entity category as Mickey is.

(And I agree with Eric. Was Daisy portrayed as toxic? Like, ever? Donald was obviously the big hothead jerkof the couple, while Daisy was always more rational one.)

Didn’t they make Daisy a gung-ho Lois Lane type in Quack Pack? The one where they also tried to separate and differentiate Huey, Dewey and Louie.

Turning Baloo into a pilot was a strange idea that worked much better than it ever should. So anything is possible.

There’s something to be said for what he said . . . they are kind of bland corporate icons . . . but Daisy has always had personality. And it is cool that they’re getting their own magazine and maybe Disney should try to stop treating them as cute caricatures and try to flesh out the characters like they do in Topolino. And no I’m not buying this magazine because its not a comic . . .

The Disney characters should have a comic, and it should be cheap, and easily found in store racks . . . if you want kids reading comics. Boom was building an audience before Marvel thew it all away . . . here’s hoping they’re not as stupid with Star Wars.

And Balloo wasn’t just a pilot, but a post-World War I/pre-Depression pilot. So not only did Disney give him a job unrelated to the Jungle Book, they stuck him in an era that most people outside of Great Gatsby fans don’t care about. It still worked. Weird.

Until her evolution into Oracle, the same argument could’ve been made of Batgirl.

I love tailspin and I still don’t care about Chip and Dale outside of rescue rangers, yeah they were weird but still awesome and it wasn’t until I watched it a few years removed that I realized they were supposed to be Magnum PI and Indiana Jones. I dunno if it was because Katzenberg was in charge or what but that was a pretty creative time at disney.

Daisy is usually the classy, long-suffering foil for Donald’s temper, doomed-to-fail schemes and utter lack of self-control. I’m not saying she’s Esther Greenwood or anything, but she’s a decent little character. It doesn’t seem like Bennet is really familiar with the characters.

“This … really sounds like an 80′s thinking to do. Like turning Baloo into a pilot”

1990

“or Chip and Dale into detectives”

1989

“or Goofy into a doting single dad.”

1992.

So, you know, one of those things happened in the ’80′s. Barely.

@Thad: Yes, yes, good points. But on the other hand…

*runs*

@Adam and @Simon: When TaleSpin debuted, though, I seem to remember it being as part of a bunch of trends that were popular at the time. They were following Spielberg’s lead, when Indiana Jones made a retro-WWII setting cool again. There was the Rocketeer movie, set around 1940′s. Not to mention the recently released Who Framed Roger Rabbit?, which was directly tied to the 1930′s. (And the less well received Newsies, too.)

Regarding the aerospace theme: Disney was pretty keen on propellercraft at the time. Along with the Rocketeer, airplanes were a somewhat big component with both DuckTales (Launchpad McQuack) and Chip & Dale (the half-balloon bleach container thing they flew in). Then later there was that one plane in Darkwing Duck. I think this may have been due to the popularity of Top Gun (and Top Gun-like movies such as Iron Eagle) that made pilots seem like the most awesome career in the world, but kids have always been into airplanes so it may just have been a natural thing to include. (Incidentally, I sorta credit these cartoons for my own career as an aerospace engineer.)

So, to me, TaleSpin was just the latest entry in their long-simmering retro 30′s-40′s kick coupled with their love of putting airplanes in their cartoons.

“Got a gal named Daisy
She almost drives me crazy…”

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Say what you will about Donald’s general lack of judgement, he knows what he’s doing when it comes to picking girlfriends. What she see in him, however, is more nearly open to question.

I’ll add that I don’t see the association with Olive Oyl. The animation character might be a little monotonous, but the Segar character is pretty varied in her character traits, to say nothing of the fact that she’s unlike 99.9% of comics girlfriends in being something less than a glamor-pants.

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