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Quote of the Day | Alan Moore on superhero comics, fandom

alan moore“Now, see, I haven’t read any superhero comics since I finished with Watchmen. I hate superheroes. I think they’re abominations. They don’t mean what they used to mean. They were originally in the hands of writers who would actively expand the imagination of their nine- to 13-year-old audience. That was completely what they were meant to do and they were doing it excellently. These days, superhero comics think the audience is certainly not nine to 13, it’s nothing to do with them. It’s an audience largely of 30-, 40-, 50-, 60-year old men, usually men. Someone came up with the term graphic novel. These readers latched on to it; they were simply interested in a way that could validate their continued love of Green Lantern or Spider-Man without appearing in some way emotionally subnormal. This is a significant rump of the superhero-addicted, mainstream-addicted audience. I don’t think the superhero stands for anything good. I think it’s a rather alarming sign if we’ve got audiences of adults going to see the Avengers movie and delighting in concepts and characters meant to entertain the 12-year-old boys of the 1950s.”

Alan Moore, addressing modern superhero comics in an interview with The Guardian about Fashion Beast, his collaboration with Malcolm McLaren. Moore also touches upon the influence of his work on other writers, and gets in a jab another in the process: “Grant Morrison has actually self-confessedly made a tactic of not only basing some of his narratives on my style or my work but also trying to make himself more famous by slagging me off at every opportunity. I have nothing to do with him.”

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I am shocked that Alan Moore of all people would say something negative about any/every comic except his own.

good grief. this, out of the mouth of the man who wrote Lost Girls? I think a lot of the things in his mind are “rather alarming”

If he was directing books like Watchmen at a “nine- to 13-year-old audience”, someone needs to ask him about the situations he placed those characters in and why he thought his audience wanted to see it.

Morrison v. moore — Round uhhhhh…hmmm

Oh boy.

I love most of the work of Alan Moore, really I do, I’m one of those that would defend him at every opportunity. But this sounds like he really lost a few marbles. I mean, was watchmen aimed at 9-13 year olds?

If we can all agree that Stan Lee has a faulty memory, and it gets worse every day, can we all agree that Alan Moore becomes more and more grouchy every day?

So he didn’t actually read WildCATs, or Supreme, or 1963 or the last few issues of Miracleman or whatever other stuff he wrote for the various image publishers while he was writing it?

Strange.

He makes a solid point buried underneath all that grump and vitriol. It is true that superhero comics are for the most part stagnant and replicating/reproducing stories from eons ago. Watchman’s cultural legacy looms so heavily it’s hard to imagine superheroes without them. Plus, in a larger sense, Moore is arguing that nostalgia has been the current mode of cultural production, something easily identified, I should think. The mainstream comic book industry relies on the paradigm of nostalgia in order to fuel the narcissistic impulses of adults with disposable income. It’s pure economics: why market to children with no money when you can market to adult with some money? Plus, the whole Geek Pride shit that’s taken over geekdom feeds into this. Geeks have cultural capital, so any consumption of geek culture inherently reproduces the capital, no matter how shit the geek culture (and a lot of it is pure shit).

But on the other hand, Moore is wrong — very wrong. To dismiss an entire genre is foolish at best. I hate paradigmatic Tolkein fantasy, but I can’t say it’s *all* shit — just most of it. There are tremendous writers struggling under the aegis of conglomerates that need to balance a multi platform intellectual property. It’s the evacuation of artistic expression and challenge when a status quo must be upheld. However, that statement implies that all writers are working under this aegis when in reality there are alternative modes of publication (indie comix, Top Shelf) and even alternative to the alternative (web etc). Moore just sounds like an out of touch grandpa with his statements, but like any good cultural critic, he has a point buried underneath the bluster. So by the same token of not dismissing a whole genre, we should not dismiss entirely Moore’s comments.

sadly mr. moore, i’d rather read “emotionally subnormal” books over whatever Neonomicon was supposed to be.

Moore has become the “crotchety old man” of comics who complains about anything and everything relating to comics.

All I have to say is Zzzzz.

matthew said what I was thinking. Moore had a point but then Moore got in the way and grumpified it.

So he didn’t read The Killing Joke, then?

Great writer, but a total jerk. He might have a point about the levels of violence in superhero comics and films, but doesn’t that apply to huge swathes of pop culture? And does he think all the adults reading Harry Potter or The Hunger Games should stop as well since those are meant for younger audiences?

I like what I like, period. It’s one thing to say that what’s out there isn’t that good. It’s another to basically insult anyone who likes things he doesn’t. And that is what he is doing.

I do have to ask, though, how he wrote superhero comics after Watchmen if he wasn’t reading those. Or does that not count.

Wow. I need to ignore everything Moore says from now on. Love his work from the older days, but if he thinks he has somehow moved forward while superhero genre has stagnated or regressed he is sorely mistaken. As someone mentioned above, Neonomicon is complete garbage with no redeeming qualities, and that from someone who loves Lovecraftian horror. I’ll take the current Avengers run over that any day.

Alan Moore is an award-winning author who specializes in the genre of “saying mean things about mainstream comics and Grant Morrison.”

I love him. He may very well have a point, but his tirades are becoming dangerously close to adorable.

I love him. LOL He’s spot-on about superheroes, but not about adults loving superheroes. I think he’s falling into that niche of people who assume that because you read comics or you like something from your childhood still into your adult life you’re somehow stunted or any less of an adult.

That’s myopic thinking. You can enjoy the things from your youth . . . its the perversion those people have made of superheroes, again to justify their continued love for them, that has ruined the term superhero. If you’re too ashamed to love something for what it is and you have to dress it up, it says more about your shame than about there being anything wrong with what you love. In this case, comic books.

You can have your Watchmen and your Batman, its when you try to mold every comic book character into Watchmen or some stupidly gross exaggeration that you end up losing. And superhero comics were lost a long time ago.

Comics as a medium will never die, but superhero comics will not ever be as popular with a wide audience as they were if they keep selling them as overpriced, adolescent fantasies pretending to be adult literature by virtue of shock, nudity, and sheer excessive violence.

this guy is so jaded

I’m not overly concerned that a highly over-opinionated, hairy reclusive loony is judging me regarding my reading and viewing habits. The fact that he thinks negatively of my lifestyle choices likely says more about him than me.

I enjoy a lot of Moore’s writing, but as a person I think he is lacking. He has many faults, as we all do. Unfortunately he spends most of his time pointing out others, and not looking at his own. I wish him well.

“I haven’t read any superhero comics since I finished with Watchmen. I hate superheroes. I think they’re abominations.”

Then stop talking about them and move on….thank you.

Wow Alan Moore said something that he has admitted that he knows nothing about -Hey when do we get a quote from Alan Moore about how to do cutting edge digital art work that could be implemented in sequential??? -Alan Moore does not practice digital artwork, so Im sure Kevin Melrose would love to get his opinion then, right???

Perhaps this will work instead: When can we hear Alan Moore provide CONSTRUCTIVE and INSIGHTFUL remarks *with specific practical examples provided) about how comics books can be less commercial and consumer-based and more creative and SEQUENTIAL-based forms of LITERATURE????

I used to think Moore was a jerk, but after actually watching a bunch of videos of him saying provocative stuff like this, I believe that his statements are meant to be a little humorous when said aloud but end up sounding crotchety when they are read in print.

Whether he’s legitimately a grumpy arse or if he’s a jocular curmudgeon, though, Moore has been missing out on some good stuff if he’s never read Astro City, All-Star Superman, Zot!, etc. Those are some really good post-Watchmen stories that are equally enjoyable by preteens and grown-ups alike.

When did it become “cool” to not like things?

Seriously, Moore is sounding like a grossly exaggerated caricature of a hipster without the wardrobe.

I see he holds comic readers in the same ‘subnormal’ regard as I do people who think they are actually magicians.

I think Mr. Moore forgot what it was like to have an imagination. It’s unhealthy to lose that little kid inside when you looked at the wonderment in the world. Watch the evening news and you can understand why some of us read comics. We yearn for the time when we weren’t adults and didn’t have to face the harsh reality of the real world. it’s a get away place where we visit to remember what it was like to be a kid, when Hobbes was alive and you really could transmorgify things. When you really could save San Francisco from the villainous Riddler etc.
Maybe it’s time he look at his life where he stopped utilizing his imagination and turned it into a paycheck.

Alan Moore is an ass. Always has been. Always will be.

As always, great stuff.

I loathe Alan Moore. He hasn’t written anything that I consider worth reading in decades. He is the most overrated writer in the history of the medium. Grant Morrison is twice the creator that Alan is!

Alan the King of, who can we tie up and torture now comics, is concerned about the kids.

Looks that the brain parasite that consumed Frank Millers mind have found a new target…

Sure Moore have always been cranky, but now he is starting to get more and more venomous . Seriously when you make a book thats 90% Cthulhu-hentai and later complain about the maturity of the comic medium and its audience then you basicly nuked the glass house…

It’s hard to take an opinion on modern superhero comics seriously when apparently he hasn’t read one in over 20 years. I see nothing wrong in people of any age enjoying these concepts or characters and the fact that he finds it alarming does make him seem jaded.

I understand his point but I disagree. And it’s ironic because Moore confessed one time to be a Simpsons fan. And even though The Simpsons is aimed at a more mature audience then, let’s say, any Cartoon Network animation, kids love it just as well…it’s still a cartoon. So he enjoys a cartoon, something that is aimed at a younger audience, presumably. And he wrote Wild Cats not so long ago…he does admit that it was one of his worst works though (I never read it so I can’t tell) but still…why a superhero team book, if he despises it so much?

The whole thing baffles me. So what, are we, as adults, only supposed to watch foreign films and Woody Allen films? Always wine, never coca cola? Always a “proper meal”, never a burger?

I for one love superhero films (when done right) but I also love classic films, Danny Boyle films, Woody Allen films, Terrence Malick films…I think there’s absolutely nothing wrong with nostalgia as long as you are also willing to embrace what’s new as well.

There will always be those people who take things to extremes…the true fanboys…but you know what man? You work and you spend your money however the hell you want. If you wanna collect action figures instead of, I don’t know, expensive cigars or Civil War documentaries, more power to it. I admire people who defy the expectations of what it is to be an “ADULT”. Which is exactly what Moore has done all his life, with his Wiccan devotion and his threesome relationship he used to have.

Baffles me he would say such a vicious thing like that. He basically called every adult who enjoys superheroes morons.

To all those who were defending AM’s rants on DC putting out more Watchmen comics: please, continue. . .

Never mind that AM was saying DC didn’t have any original ideas so they had to re-hash his when Watchmen has numerous characters that were based on older characters that he re-hashed. And then there’s League of Extraordinary Gentlemen on top of that, which is also “re-hashing” of a sort.

And now this. As many have pointed out, I wonder if Watchman was directed at 9-13 yr olds? Or League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (see, e.g., the rape scene)? If that is what he thinks 9-13 yr olds need to read to expand their imagination, what the heck does he think the adults should be reading?

I’m pretty sure my job is more intense and intellectually demanding than his, and that it has a more direct impact on the world. Guess what, I read comics to get a little escape and enjoyment. You want my $5, great. You want to insult me and justify your own superiority complex and personal vendettas, then don’t expect me to waste my money on you. I suppose I’m not smart enough to know what I should be reading in my spare time.

I think that’s it for me and Alan Moore. There’s plenty of good writers out there to follow.

Guess what? Alan Moore doesn’t care what you or I think. :)
I don’t think Watchmen was intended to be super-hero comics. It was an adult story in every way. I think Watchmen would have/could have/should have been The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

I think its easy to judge someone when you’re just reading newspaper quotes. I’ve briefly met him twice, and he’s extremely nice. I don’t agree with a lot of what he says, but then I don’t hold it against anyone for changing their opinion, especially on such trivial matters. What he says here doesn’t gel with the man who wrote Watchmen, swamp thing or The killing joke, stories that use superheroes to tell very adult stories. They are not aimed at 12 year olds. Clearly his opinion has changed. I wouldn’t want him to stay the same, In fact I’m happy to have Alan Moore challenging my ideas of what a comic book is for as long as possible.

I would say though, I’ve never heard Grant Morrison saying a bad word against him.

An awesome writer, but a very boring man. Should I think that Mr. Moore wrote Top 10, Supreme, The Killing Joke and all the rest to 9 to 13 year old people?

okay, there are so many points I could make here, first one being that Alan Moore isn’t trashing every comic except his own…he’s responding to his feeling about the Superhero genre (of which he is a part) and makes a very good point about how comic fans cant say to other people that they like comics or read comics…they say i read “graphic novels” as if its a completely different thing…

like Manga…Manga is a style, not a seperate medium to comics, although the intended audience with Manga differs…as it does with comics

I’ve been a follower of the Marvel universe since I was a kid and have recently regained my interest in the form of DC’s NEW 52…and I’m 26 years old…and I like comics

no one should take his Moore’s comments negatively, just try to understand what he’s actually saying…

On one hand, Moore created the very problem he’s describing, “legitimizing” comics as an adult medium in ’86 with “Watchmen” by maturing nostalgically notions of characters (Owlman = Blue Beetle, et al.), but on the other hand, we as the fanbase KEPT the comics there by demanding seemingly grown-up-oriented material like that. Gimmicks like The Death of Superman of Spider-man’s Clone Saga are a direct result of we grown-ups backing our heroes into the corners of “a world without Superman” or “who am I and what’s my place in the universe?”

I think at the root of Moore’s opinion is the thought (and one I share) that superhero stories are best when they’re social allegory that use high-flying adventure to ease kids (and grown-ups, why not?) into big-picture concepts — like what’s right and wrong. Superman fighting landlords, Spider-man choosing between getting the bad girl or the girl, Green Lantern being asked why he’s abandoned “the black skins” — these are the stories we STILL hold in timeless regard. Batman’s “Death of the Family” may be a great story, but it doesn’t take its themes to MYTH the way these others do. Plus, it’s really all about Batman and his group — I think Moore realizes how SMALL we’ve made superheroes’ worlds, by focusing so much on their internal, cliquey struggles.

Moore’s opinions are crotchety, but therein also lies a challenge — tell bigger and better stories!

That’s “Spider-man choosing between getting the bad GUY or the girl” — oops — unless we’re talking Black Cat vs. Mary Jane, of course.

Marc C: You’re getting him confused with Mark Millar.

Stop the presses: Sturgeon’s Law is true.

Little word substitution:

“I think it’s a rather alarming sign if we’ve got audiences of [current 9-13 yr olds] going to [read] the [League of Extraordinary Gentleman comic] and delighting in concepts and characters meant to entertain the 12-year-old boys of the [early 1900s].

Isn’t it a little hypocritical of him to criticize superhero comics for appealing to adults when the vast majority of his superhero comics were specifically written for adults?

Maybe new comics just do not have enough rape in them for him

“It’s an audience largely of 30-, 40-, 50-, 60-year old men, usually men.”

Yes, because complaining about adult men reading stuff is indicative of what exactly? I’m not sure what his point is. An audience of 30-60 year old men is almost all men, except men in their 20’s.

What the heck is he getting at with statements like this? That 20 year old men are better? That a kid audience is better?

I have no idea what he’s complaining about half the time, except he thinks everyone is ripping him off. Which is so ridiculous coming from a man who turned Peter Pan into porn.

killing joke was awesome, from hell sheer brilliance. every other alam moore thing i’ve tried to read has left me cold.

he’s become a writer with nothing to say so he says nothing worth saying.

alan moore can bite me.

Yeah. I like Killing Joke, but Moore can go to hell. He claims he basically hates comic books, and has contempt fotrt those of us who read them.That’s what this quote is, for those who missed it. He insults and spews bile at us adults that still read comics, yet still expects us to spend money his pretentious shit? I don’t think so, douchebag. Advice: If you think comics are so lame and comic fans are immature freaks, stop writing comic books, Alan! You want to know what’s alarming? That there are comic book fans who will read this bile and not only agree with his insults directed at them, because he is “ALAN MOORE” and will still go out and buy this dick’s work. That is what I find ALARMING.

Moore is painting with a bit of a broad brush here, but I think his criticism is much more directed at the industry than at the fans. It’s less that he thinks fans are by necessity stunted manchildren and more that he perceives the industry as being very defensive about not catering to said stunted manchildren. Hence, Moore posits, it goes out of its way to be overly mature, thus fallowing the very field its fans come from. Instead of comics just being for kids, most comics now are not at all for kids. Watchmen was a dark book, but it wasn’t the darkness of the subject matter that made it great. It was the complexity of the ideas and the way it got readers to think in new ways. I think he’d rather superheroes open up the minds of the young to those sorts of new, complex ideas instead of seeing more rape and pyrrhic victories in comics time and again. And I think in the past he’s acknowledged his own role in that change and his regret of it.

I don’t know. That’s what I got from this anyway. If I am being too generous, I think it’s fair to say many are being equally vicious and defensive towards someone who had a huge hand in what comics are today and was mainly stabbed in the back by the industry for it.

He can be such a grumpy old shit sometimes. All due respect of course.

Whelp, you heard it here folks:

Killing Joke was a superhero comic designed for 9-13 year olds.

Bronze Age Baby-68

November 25, 2013 at 2:27 pm

I agree that the concept of the Superhero can grow stagnate to a reader that’s read the same character/s for years. And ultimately finds the that its a commercial property that has to make revenue.
So the publishers have to try any new or daring concepts, that they think will sell the books.
And after decades of reading comics, you’ll find yourself out of touch with made that particular character/s appealing to you when you were younger.
So you end up appreciating original and independent publishers and creators.
Alan Moore helped create a ugly world for Superhero comics, and he knows this.
But to throw everyone under the bus who’s likes the Avengers movie is just bitter.
Those films are made for mass-audiences, Alan Moore included.
Brilliant writer and creator, but please don’t ask him about superheroes anymore.

Most comments about books, movies or now even comics from moore are based on the fact that he has never seen that stuff. All that stuff he knows comes from other people. Who the hell are they? And in fact a genre can evolve (maybe Alan Moore thinks there is no evolution?). On most superherostuff i would agree with him, maybe he just wants to start a discussion about the future of superheroes?

It’s hard to take anything he says literally and/or seriously. According to Moore he doesn’t read comics, watch TV, go to movies, or go out in general. I’d like to say “maybe he reads books” but I somehow doubt he’d be happy about the “state of the literary novel” these days. So how does he know about what’s going on in comics? I suppose he hears tidbits in his various interviews.

And I think we all have examples (that come from him) that counter that 9-13 year old remark. When he wrote Harry Potter turning into the Anti Christ and using lightning from his penis to kill Alan Quatermain was that the age group he had in mind? Seriously? I’m not even old enough to read that and I’m over 30! Maybe I am underdeveloped for enjoying simple uncomplicated superhero stories that DON’T involve rape,mutilation, child kidnapping,and otherwise equally horrible things. I’m okay with that. If not wanting to read about Peter Pan and the lost boys having an orgy makes me underdeveloped, then that’s just fine. I would think he wouldn’t have time for interviews what with all that magic he practices.

Moore stinks, Morrison stinks, Watchmen STINKS, today’s comics stink….

Do I need to go further? Long live Bronze Age-style comics.

Moore has earned the right to say whatever he damn well pleases, and if you all see him as some kind of crotchety old uncle, then he’s the coolest crotchety old uncle ever.

Happy belated Birthday, Alan. Keep doing what you do.

Nowhere in this quote does Alan Moore insinuate that his works were written for 9-to-13-year-olds, or that all superhero comics should be written for kids. He is just saying that the genre USED to be for kids, and the whole enterprise made more sense THEN than it does NOW. He very much believes that things like Watchmen should have served as an ENDCAP to mature people caring so much about superheroes. Instead, over the last 25 years or so, our entire society (comics fans included) seem to have regressed into childish nostalgia more than Moore thinks is healthy.

It’s hard to disagree with his points once you understand them, though of course he phrases his criticism the way a total jerk would, and he certainly is ignorant about a lot of things.

The culture is moronic now, though. That’s inarguable. And 30- or 50-year-old comics fans who boo Moore, say he’s wrong, but then go on to pick up Tiny Titans — they get no play from me. You guys are proving his point, every day. So much of this stuff is just childish and outright babyish. 50-year-old men talking about the virtues of My Little Pony comics… Whether they’re good or not, the fact that you as a 50-year-old man CARE about them is damning to you.

Like someone else said, though, Moore is a hypocrite in that he likes The Simpsons, which is probably the single most regressive work in recent history. It’s literally helped turn two generations into perpetual adolescents who can’t take life seriously except when the TV tells them to do so. It’s just mind-numbing. The Simpsons was smarter in 1990, when its average viewer was probably 18 years old, than it is now when it’s average viewer is probably 42.

Moore wrote about all of this in his story “The Light of Thy Countenance”. He knows how bad media culture can be, how it hurts and infantilizes humanity. He critiqued The Simpsons in that story. But he went on The Simpsons afterwards and presumably he still likes it? I don’t get it. The Simpsons is candy-coated cultural poison. That’s obvious to anyone with any cognizance of what has happened to humanity over the last 30 or so years and how stupid everyone is becoming.

Lastly, I don’t know how some of you can equate the unoriginality of Before Watchmen to Watchmen itself. Or League. If you don’t understand how Moore takes preexisting concepts and does something RADICALLY NEW, MATURE, INNOVATIVE, AND DIFFERENT with them, then you are completely tonedeaf. He totally remodels entire genres. Yet some of you guys equate that with someone just working on the same damn stock characters month after month.

You guys don’t appreciate what Moore tried to do. He tried to help you GROW UP, but you learned all the wrong lessons.

Then again, there are pictures of Moore in the 1980s wearing hammer-n-sickle T-shirts, with a big goofy grin on his face, doing interviews where he said that Stalin wasn’t that bad and that polygamy was fine (before his first “open” marriage collapsed).

I dunno. What a mess. At the very least people should try to learn from Moore, even if he can’t learn from himself very well all the time. I fully admit that I still read a few too many superhero comics, and I think that as a 30-year-old man I SHOULD think of most of them as a guilty pleasure, not as something I should just consume like a mindless infant.

Signed,
Someone who did read Watchmen (and loved it) when he was only 13

So he wrote Watchmen for 9-12 year olds?

Sir Alan Moore is right! I’m nothing but a stoopid doodie headed old fanboy.
Maybe I shud just buy comics for mah kids.

Let see, howzabout some Sir Alan Moore comics? He did write Watchmen, which TIME magazine said is like the greatest comic ever! And TIME sure knows about them watches.

For mah big boy:
League of Extrasomething Gentlemen, gonna expose him to classicul literature.

For my darling girl:
Lost Girls, cos she’s into Disney princesses and fairy tales.

For my little boy:
Necronomicon, cos he really loves them Transformers.

Tq Sir Alan Moore. You the bestest. Hoozah.

If he hasn’t read any superhero comics since Watchmen, he has no grounds for having an opinion about them.. one way or the other.

He’s the Charles Bukowski of comics. Between the crazy, he accidentally gets some things right – kinda.

I’m a big fan and admirer of Alan Moore as a writer, but we have to understand that no matter the talents of certain creators, no single mind is the be all and end all of opinion. We all have our faults. This is the man who wrote brilliant stuff like Miracleman, V for Vendetta, Swamp Thing, Watchmen, From Hell and his ABC works. For me, this is the best writing we’ve ever seen in comics. He’s also produced crap like Neonomicon, which he admitted he only did to pay his taxes. I’m honestly glad that was his reason because it shocked me how mediocre it was upon reading it. I could tell in interviews about it that he’s a big embarrassed by it.

The problem with Moore’s comments, on the surface, is the extremist tone. He certainly has a point, and knows what he’s talking about in regards to the core issues, but he seems to assume (at least with these short comments) that just because someone likes nostalgia, that they can’t also like to challenge themselves with new ideas and “serious” literary endeavors. But I think Moore would have no problem with these types of readers and is probably focusing on the stereotypical fanboy that reads nothing but dire modern superhero comics. If so, I agree. But as much as I like his works, and the works of his bud Moorecock, this has never stopped me from adoring Tolkein, with him they are diametrically opposed. Not to buff up my chest, but readers like myself are actually “superior” in the extent that we can see all sides and have a broader range of taste that are all but unaffected by the tide of modern pop culture or the stentorian proclamations of the literary elite. There is room on the imaginative and inquisitive reader’s shelf for Faulker, Proust, Tolkien, Moore, Kirby, etc.

Sorry for the typos. Gah.

And once again Alan Moore trolls the comic book community; I think he realizes how hypocritical and out-of-touch statements like this make him seem because of the publicity it garners.

He’s already stated he doesn’t read comics anymore, so who cares what he says about the contents of current comics? He’s already admitted, in a roundabout way, that he doesn’t know jack shit about the medium, so who cares what he says, he has no basis for any kind of claim he could make about modern comics.

He’s also one of these people he’s trying to, in his words, “slag off” since his Supreme run is a love-letter to his favorite Silver Age Superman stories, and he’s admitted he kind of wished he hadn’t written Watchmen because, partially, he felt people started labeling him the “dark” guy after that and that it led to the homogenization of the medium into the “grim and gritty” era (and his Supreme run was also a way of paying penance for him).

If he honestly believed what he said here, why would he have stuck around writing superhero comics for so long? Is what he said something that came to him in an alcohol-fueled revelation last week, when he was trying to forget the fact that he hasn’t been relevant in over a decade by drinking his way to the bottom of some liqueur bottles? Is it possible he’s maybe brooding over the fact no one gives a shit about what he writes anymore? Could it be that he’s only saying this because whenever he says something in an interview, people already dismiss it as the rantings of a crazy old codger so now in order to get attention he has to say crazier and crazier shit that makes no sense and just paints him as an asshole? Should I just stop asking these loaded questions? Maybe.

But as Jason Aaron wisely said a few years ago, and I am echoing the statement now: I gave up caring about what Alan Moore says a while ago, and you’ll probably feel a lot better if you do the same thing.

AWESOME COMICS Alan. Simply Awesome. One character murdering another is surely kid material.

I think we should hold on with accusing Moore of seeking attention. That’s the farthest thing from the truth. Moore gets asked these questions in interviews and he responds, but he clearly has no interest in the American comic scene, Marvel or DC. Plus, whenever he releases something it sales well, so he still has a loyal fanbase that will buy anything he writes.

And could we get rid of the ad hominem attacks? What does his facial hair have to do with anything? “Oh, by the way, he has a funny beard.” Grow the fuck up, people.

I love the internet. It enables a bunch of nobodies to trash a somebody.

Whenever you sissy boys publish something of the caliber of Moore’s work, go on and state your opinion.

Until then you’re nothing and your opinion matters not in the least.

Dr. Strangelove:

I think that the “you can’t do X thing as well as Y person can, so you can’t criticize Y person” is a total fallacy. I haven’t even published anything in comics and I probably never will be able to get a story published or have the discipline to actually write a story even of the caliber of, say, “Ultimatum.” But that doesn’t mean that the criticisms I level against such a story are invalid – I can recognize crap even if I can’t write worth crap. The same thing goes for Moore – I will never be as good of a writer as Alan Moore. In fact, there is probably nobody who can write comics equally well as Alan Moore, yet that doesn’t make him immune to criticism.

In this case, I see Moore’s point and I think he was being over-the-top (intentionally) in making it. That doesn’t mean that people’s criticism of his language is invalid. I disagree (obviously) with the ad hominem attacks people are making toward Moore and a lot of the “so I guess Watchmen was for 13-year-olds” comments miss Moore’s point. Yet a lot of the criticism in these comments, such as berating Moore for basically spitting on his fanbase and the people who helped make him into a star or criticizing Moore’s close-mindedness toward and dismissal of new work that he hasn’t read is certainly valid and fair.

Dr. Strangelove,

Without “US NOBODIES”, people like Moore would have NO CAREER AND NO MONEY.

So yeah, we do have the right to say anything and to criticize him when he says idiotic things like that.

No man, no matter how genius he is, is above being criticized, especially when said man is insulting the very same people who buys his shit.

And Dan Ahn:

Any person who dislikes The Simpsons that much can only be the grouchiest person who ever walked on Earth. Saying you don’t like The Simpsons is like saying you don’t like ice cream.

Hey Zeus: succinctly summed up 99% of the reaction in under 10 words. And made me laugh.

Dr Strangelove: obviously doesn’t understand irony. So how do we treat a self-proclaimed “nobody” who reprimands other “nobodies” on the Internet. We do exactly what he says, – “Until then you’re nothing and your opinion matters not in the least.” LMAO.

You know why blasphemy is such a mortal sin? It pokes holes in the believers faulty and flimsy faith system.

I haven’t read any Alan Moore comics since Watchmen.

What is this crap about Moore not liking the Simpsons? Let’s face it, the first ten seasons or so of the Simpsons was the best satire, and best comedy writing, ever to grace TV. After that? Eh, hit or miss, and its never come close to the grandeur that was seasons 3-9. Moore, at least at one time, was a huge fan of the Simpsons. He’s said as much. Moore is far too smart and too skilled at satire to not like, at the very least, the best of the Simpsons. It’s impossible for a person with a functioning brain not to.

I’d rather read the worst piece of half arsed cash in bullshit that Marvel or DC put out than ANYTHING with Moore’s name on it nowadays.

Barely any of you actually read each other’s comments. You guys are doing the same thing that Moore is doing: just spouting off some shit without actually thinking it through. Only a handful of you guys took the time to really think about Moore’s ideas or what anybody else had to say.

He’s just taking the piss out of everyone. Pretty certain I read an interview with him a few years ago in which he said he liked the Superman Adventures comic in the 90’s. He’s always contradictory. He also said he liked the TV show The Wire, so he does watch TV.

I know Mr. Moore doesn’t give a fig about what I read or think of his opinion, and that’s fine. To me, he is a relic of my teen years. If he wants to be grumpy, have at it.

For me, Neil Gaiman has been wiping the floor with him (and Frank Miller) since The Sandman began and everything he’s done since. Gaiman has embraced his fanbase and they love him back, and I really believe that fuels him with better and better ideas.

Finally, Gaiman’s material has aged a heck of a lot better than Moore’s and Miller’s.

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