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‘Scriptnotes’ co-host clarifies his ‘Slut-Hulk’ comments

she-hulk3While comics fans — joined by none other than Stan Lee himself — line up to lambast screenwriter David S. Goyer for his recent podcast comments about She-Hulk, Scriptnotes co-host Craig Mazin has stepped forward to clarify his own remarks, insisting, “I wasn’t saying that I think she’s a slut.”

Goyer, the writer of Man of Steel and the upcoming sequel Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, sparked controversy by asserting that She-Hulk was created as “a giant green porn star that only the Hulk could fuck.” However, Mazin has also been criticized for suggesting, “The real name for She-Hulk was Slut-Hulk. […] The whole point of She-Hulk was just to appeal sexistly to 10-year-old boys. Worked on me.”

Writing Thursday on the Scripnotes blog, Mazin emphasized that he “used the word ‘sexist’ in the podcast,” and explained, “I said this because I believe it. Unlike the Hulk, whose appeal was clearly divorced from any kind of normative standard of physical beauty, She-Hulk was initially drawn (and consistently drawn for many years) as slender, long-legged and large-breasted with flowing locks. Her face was the same old media-model-pretty version we see time and time again.”

As to his use of the word “slut” and accusations that “I slut-shamed She-Hulk”: “First off, my point wasn’t that I think She-Hulk is a slut. I don’t. I don’t think anyone is a slut. I don’t think there’s anything shameful about female sexuality or the female body.”

“I wasn’t saying that I think she’s a slut,” Mazin continued. “I was saying I think the people who created her were at one time pushing a visual image of Hulk as Slut in order to make money. And I don’t like that. My comment was entirely about the illustration of a fictional character. It was not a reflection of my opinion of the mind or actions of the character.”

Still, he conceded, he shouldn’t have used “slut,” as “It’s far too loaded, it’s not even accurate to what I meant, and for many it obscured my point. It may be obscuring my point right now, so lesson learned … and I’ll not use it again.”

Mazin also acknowledged that the depiction of She-Hulk has changed considerably since her introduction in 1980, saying there’s “no question that the appearance and character of She-Hulk has evolved dramatically and positively over the years. My comments were entirely about the early appearance of the character. She-Hulk isn’t being drawn in the style of a cheesecake model anymore. I think that’s a very good thing.”

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Talmidge Mcgulliger

May 23, 2014 at 8:32 am

am I missing something because I never looked at the she hulk and thought “sexy?” Is it me?

Talmidge Mcgulliger

May 23, 2014 at 8:37 am

I mean it’s not like there isn’t some clearly kinky stuff going on in those 70s and 80s marvel comics (particularly in the x-men books) But she hulk?

Mazin, dude, put that shovel down, you’re getting deeper…

Wow this guy is so full of shit.

She Hulk isn’t even sexy though …

“Initially”? In her initial appearances, Jen was never portrayed as a supermodel, but as a giant, wild cavewoman. Yeah, she was shapely, but I wouldn’t call her early appearances attractive. I really don’t think Marvel started portraying her as “sexy” until Byrne started drawing her, and even then, Byrne played a lot of the cheesecake factor for laughs.

I very much dislike David Goyer. Looks like he is standing by his comments too. Shouldn’t come as a surprise though, the guy did write Man of Steel.

Everybody who cares about this: Get a life.

*This has been a public service announcement from a well-adjusted, rational human being killing time at work before the long weekend.*

Don’t take life too seriously, y’all. Especially comic books and other peoples’ opinions which means, yes, you can totally disregard what I just said. I promise I won’t be OUTRAGED for what is ultimately insignificant.

Why can’t people who say dumb things ever just say, “You know what? That was stupid, ignorant, and I’m sorry. I’ll be better next time.” I would have a billion times more respect for someone doing THAT than these half-apologies where they insist a million people misunderstood them.

He did say that. He said he shouldn’t have said “slut” both because it’s an emotionally loaded term and because it didn’t convey his true intentions. He said that if he had it to do over again he wouldn’t have because he was wrong both morally and factually.

His broader point was basically correct though. She-Hulk did pretty much start out as a male sex fantasy figure, but she evolved pretty quickly into basically the female power fantasy that she is now.

Again, somebody tell me how Jen’s initial appearance is a male sex fantasy. http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100808180335/marveldatabase/images/f/fd/Savage_She-Hulk_Vol_1_1_page_13_Jennifer_Walters_%28Earth-616%29.jpg

That’s scary, not sexy. She literally was a female Hulk there.

Have comics changed to the point that an oversized green Sophia Loren in skimpy, torn clothes isn’t considered sexy any more?

I don’t remotely agree with Goyer, but camahn — of course the She-Hulk was supposed to be sexy. Not sex-kitten sexy, but that isn’t the only kind of sexy.

If she was “literally a female Hulk,” she’d have been brawny, monstrous and over muscled, like the male Hulk, instead of looking like a gorgeous underdressed film star who happens to be angry.

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With regards to She-Hulk being a sex fantasy, she’s green! To paraphrase Eddie Murphy, if a woman is green there must be something wrong with the pussy.

What the hell is a Craig Mazin anyway?

The real objection to the remarks of Mazin and Goyer should not be “was She-Hulk conceived to be sexy or not,” but their dumbassed insistence that this was the only possible appeal of the character. In effect, they’ve saying that it’s impossible for male readers to identify with a female character’s struggles if she’s hot; they can’t ever conceive of her as a “power fantasy,” only a “sex fantasy.” It doesn’t speak very well for their own self-images, IMO.

More remarks on the subject here:

http://arche-arc.blogspot.com/2014/05/highlighting-anxiety-pt-2.html

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