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Licensed DC Comics tees draw accusations of sexism

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Two licensed T-shirts featuring DC Comics’ Trinity have sparked accusations of sexism among online fans.

The first shirt, as reported at DC Women Kicking Ass and spotted by CBR contributor Tamara Brooks this past weekend at Long Beach Comic Con, depicts Superman and Wonder Woman in a passionate embrace with the caption, “Score! Superman Does It Again!” As takedowns of that shirt began to circulate on social media, another one, bearing the phrase “I’m Training to Be Batman’s Wife,” was brought into the discussion.

Both shirts present undeniably sexist messages: The former positions the most prominent female superhero as a prize to be won, stripping away the character’s 75 years of nuance and feminist themes. The latter would be perfectly acceptable if it had only stopped before that final word; the assumption that the goal of any woman’s training would be to become someone’s wife is antiquated at best.

It’s the same problem many fans had in April 2013 with a girls’ shirt depicting Marvel’s male heroes leaping into action in between the words of the phrase, “I Need a Hero.” These shirts are problematic because they presume that women need men — either to save them or to marry them — in order to get them interested in superheroes. The controversial Marvel tees from last year also proved that point; the shirt’s male counterpart simply said “Be a Hero.”

As officially licensed DC products, the content of both shirts presumably had to have been given the go-ahead by someone at DC or, more likely, Warner Bros. Consumer Products. However, licensing rights can differ from one contract to the next, and it’s possible the final design did not need to be vetted by either DC or WB so long as it worked within agreed upon guidelines and used pre-approved art. The “Score!” shirt comes courtesy of Superhero Den, but Google Shopping lists the manufacturer as Changes. DC has not responded to an email inquiry about the origin of the shirt or whether it was involved in its design.

The existence of these shirts also works against the message comics publishers want to send to the modern audience. With the relaunch of the new Thor series with a female protagonist and the redesign/redirection of Batgirl, Marvel and DC have made very public strides in reaching out to female readers and to improve the visibility of female characters. The existence of licensed shirts like these only undermines the attempts to change the “Boys Only” image that superhero comics have long had.

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It never ends…. This site should just be in an Ad Lib format. ______ outrages fans. “Fans outraged about lack of things to be outraged about!!” It’s outrageous!! ; p

How do they never learn?

@DaddyX: I don’t see the word “outrage” anywhere in the article.

Well, these are gross, but I don’t expect much more from DC.

DaddyX, find another website.

Burn the Superman/Wonder Woman ship in a fire. Burn it. Burn it. Burn it.

What is inherently wrong with the Superman shirt? Did they not just have a romantic interlude in the actual comic? Didn’t it happen before? Isn’t it likely to happen again after DC’s next reboot in a few years? So to say “Superman does it again” is not somehow covertly misogynistic unless of course you’re searching for things to be outraged about, as DaddyX said. Being upset about the Batman shirt is ridiculous because women can train FOREVER and they could never be BatMAN. The MAN part is kind of important to the character I’d think. There’s real sexism and gender issues in the world, this isn’t one of them.

I’m all about sexual equality but isn’t this a bit far. I wouldn’t be offended if someone put out a shirt that said “training to be Wonder Woman’s husband” or the like.

“Being upset about the Batman shirt is ridiculous because women can train FOREVER and they could never be BatMAN. The MAN part is kind of important to the character I’d think.”

Oh. Honey. There’s just so much to unpack here about how wrong you are.

Or you could look at it like this:

To be Batman’s wife, that would mean that you’d have to be a pretty bad-ass woman: strong, intelligent, skilled, able to hold your own in a fight, etc…

And Wonder Woman chose Superman, so he got incredibly lucky to be able to score with her, and to do it multiple times? He’s very lucky.

‘Training to be Batman’s wife’ makes the assumption that someone wants to be Batman’s wife. They could have replaced ‘Batman’s wife’ with the name of pretty much any female hero. Batwoman, Batgirl, Catwoman, Huntress, etc. Those would be much better t-shirts as well.

Perpetually offended comic fans really need to develop a sense of humor.

There is another website that has shirts that say “Training to be Batgirl” and wonderful Wonder Women shirts that say “Training to smash the Patriarchy” . These are indie sites though; instead, through major sellers, women are provided this sort of merch.

It’s sad, really. That idiot execs/t-shirt makers think that women really want this stuff.

And *really* who would want to be Batman’s wife? To be Batman’s wife would mean you want to be fridged for Bruce’s manpain.

Yea I’m having a hard time seeing the problem here. I can understand how “training” to be someone’s wife is an antiquated idea, but on the other hand I personally know at least 3 women who would absolutely love this shirt. Should they not have an opportunity to purchase this shirt because some women don’t like that idea?

And on the first shirt; I personally say “Score” all the time when something awesome happens. I can think of few things that would be more awesome than gaining the love of a beautiful woman. I have to agree that it can only be taken as sexist if you’re trying to find something to be upset about. Sure it’s only exciting from a boys perspective but it is a boys shirt.

Wonderella nailed the one on the right: “Can’t believe they’re giving Superman ANOTHER new costume”

So some group is offended. Again.

Is someone offended that I am not offended?
If yes, it offends me that someone would be offended at me
not being offended. It’s offensive that someone expects me to be offended either.

I would like to train to be Wonder Woman’s husband.
Being husband is a hard job.

@Scott the Comicbook Writer

It’s implied in the second shirt. Anybody could be wearing it, and thus officially be “in training”. Black, Asian, Hispanic, Indian (my ordering of those races is random, and in no way represents a preference for one over the other). Unless you’re a guy. Then it’s saying that a guy, or, let’s cut the crap, a gay man, would automatically be assuming a wife/submissive role, to Batman’s husband. As a gay man, I find that offensive. In fact, where is my politically correct LGBT representation in this entire debacle? It’s a travesty, and I am outraged!! Do you hear me, THAD?? OUTRAGED!

These really are terrible. Superhero t-shirts for inbred white trash hillbillies.

To be fair, you can’t really expect much more from DC these days. Hopefully the Batgirl redesign is not an isolated example of portraying a woman as an equal to her male peers, but DC seems to be determined to prove that it is.

Marvel has learned their lesson about how to treat women in comics. It’s past time DC did as well.

If you don’t like it, don’t buy it.

Those who find the idea of training to be Batman’s wife disempowering or otherwise demeaning won’t buy or wear the shirt. That doesn’t mean they should be able to impose those beliefs on women who feel differently about the matter and like the shirt.

And if the party finding the shirt offensive greatly outnumbers those who find the shirt attractive, then the market will dictate, making the creation of such shirts unprofitable for DC.

Women as trophies to be won or sought after is a trope that has a long history in pop culture and wider society. You can see it in many, many movies where the actions of the lead male causes him, in the end to win the affection of the woman. You can see it in comics for much of the history of the superhero genre. You can see it in sci-fi/fantasy books. The idea of women being trophies doesn’t treat them as fully realized characters. It treats them as things to be acquired. This first shirt doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It exists as part of a culture of sexism, where women have long been treated as “things” to get (you can hear it in phrases used by men in a club ‘I’m gonna tap that ass’-which treats women not as things, but something to acquire and perform sex to, rather than with), rather than human beings to interact with and seek companionship with.

The second shirt also exists within a sexist culture where a woman’s role has long been seen to be at home, and her greatest goal should be to get married. It reinforces the sexist stereotype, still found in society, that marriage is or ought to be the goal of women.

The complaints here are from people who don’t appear to know much about the history of sexism and misogyny in US culture. This isn’t just a problem with comic books. It’s a problem in every aspect of society from the top down. We’re all swimming in a culture of sexism and entitlement to womens’ bodies. You won’t recognize this if you don’t try to learn about it. There are plenty of resources out there, but if you’re going to plug your ears and whine when this problem is brought up again, you’re not helping people make the world better. You’re contributing to the status quo, which is oppressive and discriminatory towards women.

So let me get this straight: It’s a crime now for a man to want to and succeed at winning a woman’s heart and it’s a crime for a woman to actually want to be a man’s wife…even in comics?

I officially will never ever read comics again if leftist ideology permeates comics and merchandising to the point of sacrificing enjoyable stories.

Tyrell:
Marvel is doing better, but don’t give them more credit than they deserve. The Manara cover and Greg Land’s sexist artwork show that Marvel doesn’t fully understand the extent to which sexist beliefs and opinions permeate their company.

“Score! Superman’s a d**che-bag, bro!”

“To be fair, you can’t really expect much more from DC these days. Hopefully the Batgirl redesign is not an isolated example of portraying a woman as an equal to her male peers, but DC seems to be determined to prove that it is.”

Nobody’s produced a single shred of evidence anybody involved with DC’s actual comics even knew these things existed. As this article is at least honest enough to point out, odds are the closest these dreadful things went to DC itself was some licensing legal drone at Warners. But of course everyone’s acting like Dan Dido must have given them him personal stamp of approval.

“Marvel has learned their lesson about how to treat women in comics. It’s past time DC did as well.”

Yes, Marvel, those bold champions of diversity who have fewer female creators and headlining characters than DC, and are currenly working on their SEVENTH movie in a row centering around blonde white guys named Chris. Funny how they always get the benefit of the doubt.

Anyone claiming that these shirts are sexist doesn’t now what sexism actually is.

It’s just a shirt. Get over it.

@Tony – well said, thank you.

Women as trophies to be won or sought after is a trope that has a long history in pop culture and wider society. You can see it in many, many movies where the actions of the lead male causes him, in the end to win the affection of the woman. You can see it in comics for much of the history of the superhero genre. You can see it in sci-fi/fantasy books. The idea of women being trophies doesn’t treat them as fully realized characters. It treats them as things to be acquired. This first shirt doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It exists as part of a culture of sexism, where women have long been treated as “things” to get (you can hear it in phrases used by men in a club ‘I’m gonna tap that ass’-which treats women not as things, but something to acquire and perform sex to, rather than with), rather than human beings to interact with and seek companionship with.

The second shirt also exists within a sexist culture where a woman’s role has long been seen to be at home, and her greatest goal should be to get married. It reinforces the sexist stereotype, still found in society, that marriage is or ought to be the goal of women.

The complaints here are from people who don’t appear to know much about the history of sexism and misogyny in US culture. This isn’t just a problem with comic books. It’s a problem in every aspect of society from the top down. We’re all swimming in a culture of sexism and entitlement to womens’ bodies. You won’t recognize this if you don’t try to learn about it. There are plenty of resources out there, but if you’re going to plug your ears and whine when this problem is brought up again, you’re not helping people make the world better. You’re contributing to the status quo, which is oppressive and discriminatory towards women.”

I expect some sweaty guys wearing these at the NYCC.

@Jessica, yes, if we try to link everything to past instances of misogyny or oppression, then we can certainly find a reason to be offended by just about everything. We could easily find ourselves arguing that the institution of marriage itself is unnatural, oppressive, and offensive. We could go further and probably find aspects of 99.9% of all sexual encounters that has elements contrary to a purely egalitarian worldview.

But, if we could take a step back and look at these things in their actual context, setting aside our desire to view everything through the prism of victimizations past, I think we could see how utterly minor and silly this really is.

If something is indefensible, generally the way people defend it is to say: “Why are we even talking about this?”

Susan Storm, Jessica Jones, Mera and Meggan Braddock are all ‘wives’ yet they’re not individually terrible without their husbands, but certainly make them complete when they do, because married couples when they’re at their best can do anything. And it disappoints me that more and more comic fans feel like every male and female hero have to stand on their own to mean anything.

Training to be Batman’s wife? Well Bruce has high standards so if you’ve managed it you’d be one awesome lady.

Jessica what you say is all true.
Our society is a disgusting amalgamation of disintegration, confusion, and patheticness. Swimming in constant conflict between man and woman, teacher and student, boy and girl, worker and boss.

These shirts are embarrassing beyond all words.

However, the idea that they reflect on anyone who works at DC Comics is ridiculous. The people responsible for “Officially” Licensed products are so far removed from the actual comics publishing wing and, hell, from Warner Bros in general are so far removed from the creative process that it should barely even register.

@DaddyX Your claims this would be offensive to gay men is idiotic. IT’S A WOMAN’S SHIRT. That’s obvious from the shape if it.

So far everyone of the female gender that I’ve shown these shirts to, without mentioning the article, have given them a positive reaction. Especially the Batman shirt, mostly because “it looks the most feminine”. A few of them said things along the lines of, “I’d love to be Batman’s wife.”

After I gauged reactions I showed them the article. The message I got from the ladies after looking at the article was, “some people just need to get a life”. Yes, that’s a quote from the same sex ladies. Your own kind is urging you to get a life and stop leaping at every opportunity to beat an unnecessary feminists drum.

Some situations are just… shirts.

As someone who is a big Wonder Woman fan and who is also very much in favor of the Wonder Woman/Superman pairing, this shirt is a kick in the pants. It certainly gives a lot of ammunition to people who have worried that WW and Superman together would, inevitably, lead to the denigration and overshadowing of WW. Now, they have a blatantly sexist and offensive T-shirt to back them up.

What is wrong with DC? What is wrong with comics in general that the people in charge can’t understand how offensive this kind of macho crap is?

More comic book sexist crap. When people say “lighten up” they usually mean “shut up” So no.

LoL, oh ****. I was expecting this to be something overblown but those are pretty bad.

If the market/people decide not to buy it…then isn’t that good enough? Why do other people need to decide anyone else’s buying choices? Why does this item need to pulled from the shelves for any other reason than no one decides to buy it?

Hmmmnnn…I was a comic nerd in high school. My wife was the homecoming queen. I am definitely the one who scored in that equation by marrying waaaay out of my league. Maybe its a compliment because Wonder Woman is a far more interesting character than Superman.

These people need to stop complaining, get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich. ;)

But seriously, the second tee shirt is nowhere near as bad as the first. I can picture a guy buying the Supes shirt but if a woman buys the Batman shirt, shame on her? Then again, is it so bad? If it was a child size shirt that said training to be Batman’s sidekick need we lament that it will lead to self esteem issues? Wouldn’t anybody need to train to be Batman’s anything?

Lastly, there are much worse, widespread sexist messages hitting a much broader audience in tv, movies, videos, music, advertising in all media, etc… Let this one go.

Can anyone be surprised by this from DC? The company is a joke. It’s view of women is consistent if it is primitive and demeaning. So a shirt for a woman aspiring to be Batman’s wife and a shirt showing the male superhero getting props for seducing the female. DC’s view of women is sad or, as a Warner Brother’s stockholder said, embarrassing. I am not surprised that many comic fans approve of the shirts and see distaste at them as petty, but this kind of stuff only continues to isolate DC away from fans that could help it grow.

Being Batman’s wife would be a pretty good deal, considering he’s got a butler who takes care of everything, both at the manor and the batcave.
The downside is she’s become surrogate mother to half a dozen wards who have a tendency to die brutally.

But seriously… these shirts are crap, sexism or not. They’re just terrible.
Of all the amazing artwork DC has produced in 75 years available to make some kickass shirts, and that’s the best some moron designers could come up with? Pathetic.

And DC is being awful again. Sigh.

“If the market/people decide not to buy it…then isn’t that good enough? Why do other people need to decide anyone else’s buying choices? Why does this item need to pulled from the shelves for any other reason than no one decides to buy it?”

No it’s not, because these shirts are not simply just not good, they are also problematic, and that needs to be pointed out. There’s a difference between a shirt that just isn’t popular and a shirt that actively harms your brand.

The messages these shirts send are not good. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with aspiring to be a wife. However the font choices and colouring certainly imply that’s all they can train for. Why not use the word partner?

Jessica really says it much better than I can.

As for the I assume ironically named Voice of reason’s comment. Storm’s an X-Man not X-woman heck there’s a whole book starring female members of the X-Men called X-Men. That’s not even getting into the fact that you don’t need a penis to be a man.

As for the Superman shirt you can actually see the cover they took that image from here http://vixenvarsity.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/superman-wonder-woman-kiss.jpeg

See something missing? The item that perhaps puts the pairing on a more even footing and less of something Superman did? The very fact they had to alter the image to make their statement should make it clear that the story they’re telling shouldn’t be told

I admit that first shirt does have a purpose. Anyone I saw wearing that shirt would be a clear indicator of someone I wish to avoid.

Am I reading Comics Alliance?

It’s just a bit of satire. It’s less to do with sexism and more to do with limiting artistic freedom. There’s nothing wrong with having a sense of humor … even if it is a bit on the immature side.

Do none of you remember how Damian Wayne trained to be Batman’s sidekick/son? Devote your rants elsewhere.

I see no problem at all with the Batman one. I’d happily sport a T-Shirt saying “in training to be Catwoman’s husband/boy-toy/catnip/plaything” whatever. It’s not an assumption that the person is dismissive to Batman, just that they appreciate the character and, being fictional, obviously find that funny.

It’s like my “my other car is a Batmobile” sticker. It’s not offensive to my car, it’s a joke about a car I’d like.

It’s exactly the same as my sister saying I want to f**k Thor/Loki whenever she sees one of the actors. It’s aspirational fun, but not serious.

The Superman/Wonder Woman one though. That’s definitely a problem. I’d also like to extrapolate that further and say in the same vein the entire Superman/Wonder Woman relationship has had the same problem.

In almost every kiss, Superman is seen as dominant. He is leaning over her, tipping her backwards, making Wonder Woman seem lesser.

And that shirt, well, I think what that says about the wearer should be enough.

How PC do we have to get? These shirts are absolutely harmless. This kind of thing happens too much in comics fandom and it’s getting out of hand. Here’s a crazy notion for you: I guarantee all of the “outrage” is coming from not women but white knight doofus men who think every last thing in comics has to be scrutinized through some politically correct filter that’s destroying any fun the hobby used to have.

I see nothing wrong with this shirt.

Yeah. Keep it up. Pretty soon we all will have to behave 100% of the time like we do when we are at church. With our aunt. You know, that 46, never married, overweight aunt who owns 15 cats, has way too much facial hair and yet somehow knows exactly whats wrong with everybody.

I will have some icecream now.

“So let me get this straight: It’s a crime now for a man to want to and succeed at winning a woman’s heart…”

Maybe not a crime but it’s still dumb. They aren’t trophies to be acquired if you perform the right combo. Are you required to enter a relationship with a woman, no matter who she is, if she whispers the right code-word to you? What if another guy found you in the right castle. Are you now compelled to enter a relationship with him? No, you have a choice in the matter that is completely dependent on your own preferences and inclinations. No one can “win” your heart. You choose to give it to them or not based on what you want in your life. The same should be for women.

The fact that you think this is a legitimate and even noble way to approach relations with women shows exactly why these shirts are stupid.

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As a side note, I love how these articles bring the oblivious man-defenders out of the woodwork. It’s like worms on the sidewalk after it rains…only the worms feel entitled to look up the skirts of the women walking by!

Sam Robards, Comic Fan

September 30, 2014 at 7:55 am

I completely agree that the Superman/Wonder Woman one is in pretty bad taste, but I don’t agree about the second. Not completely, anyway.

Whereas the first shirt is making a broad (not to mention horribly wrong) statement, the Batman’s wife shirt is making a statement about the individual wearing said shirt (even if it’s tongue-in-cheek).

The women that choose to buy this shirt (assuming DC doesn’t have it removed from the marketplace) are ok with what it says, and wanting to get married or be a housewife doesn’t make someone sexist or a misogynist. And wearing this shirt doesn’t mean that someone’s trying to say or convince people that every woman should be a housewife.

Going off on a tangent, I kinda thought DC should have made Batman gay in the New52. I can’t really explain why: I just thought it would fit really well. And no, it has nothing to do with all the Robins.

Sam Robards, Comic Fan

September 30, 2014 at 7:58 am

*Just to add a clarification, not wanting to get married/be a housewife doesn’t make someone a misogynist, either. Different people have different lifestyle preferences.

Imagine if someone was wearing a shirt that said “Training to be an Astronaut.” That would not send the message that they think that everyone should be astronauts, and that people who don’t want to be astronauts should be pressured into being astronauts. Similarly, a shirt saying that you’re training to be Batman’s wife does not automatically convey a normative assumption that all women should want to be someone’s wife. There are some women who don’t want being someone’s wife to be one of their defining characteristics and there are some other women who do want that. Both groups of women’s preferences are equally valid.

The criticisms of the first shirt seem to center around the unwarranted assumption that it is impossible to simultaneously admire a man for being able to attract a woman and think of that woman as a human being with her own wants, desires, and identity. I’m going to call BS on this. Look at where the word “score” comes from originally, scoring points in a sports game. No one complains that we shouldn’t play sports because it dehumanizes the opposing players, that you see them as someone to score points against instead of as a human being. You can simultaneously see the opposing player as a human being, and as someone to score points against. The two aren’t contradictory.

In fact, being able to attract a women (or a man) is based entirely on recognizing their humanity. How do you attract someone? You possess characteristics that they value, characteristics that they find attractive. When you “score” the entire criteria for victory is “satisfy another human being’s desires.” In order to score you need to recognize someone’s basic humanity on some level (at least if you do so honestly without deception).

As I see it there is no inherent problem with the T-shirts themselves but that there are apparently no counterpart designs of “Score! Wonder Woman does it again” and “Training to be Catwoman’s husband”, which, yes, is indeed sexist.

@Ghatanathoah
Erm, nope, while your argument itself is philosophically sound, that’s simply not how people use the term.

The Superman/WW shirt is pretty bad and not really that funny either.

The Batman’s wife shirt is not as bad as it seems at first. Consider that training to be Batman’s wife probably includes learning martial arts, tactics, and criminology, it’s not like he needs someone other than Alfred to prepare his favorite food or repair the Bat-cape.

Ah yes, more, more bullsh*t from the feminist brigade, though the first shirt is pretty dumb, I fail to see the problem with the batman one. So the message here is that any woman who wants to get married is automatically going into slavery /submission by her male partner………so they’re saying it’s wrong to want to get married? Can anyone not see the problem here?..modern feminism is a joke, oh yeah they want all women to be represented…….except those who choose freely to become what they want. These fools have been invading every entertainment platform finding faults or anything to be offended by, and the sad part is they’re being recognized…..well bye comics, soo much good stories, everything must be pushing some kind of agenda down our throats or someone is going to get offended

I do not like the Superman shirt because it is another reminder of how the Superman mythology is being trampled on to make the “new, hip, real Superman. Superman is the ultimate boy scout – everything about him is repressed (including libido) to focus only on saving these Earthlings he has pledged to help. Superman is nobel and pure and nothing, NOTHING distracts him from his mission. Superman does not cut corners or take the easy way out or take a moment for himself.

Having his character display wants and needs -much less pursuing those wants and needs, is below the heroic stature of the character.

The dark, gritty style of the Man of Steel movie also smeared this character of purity and brightness.

Yes it is sexist, but it also disrespects the character and what it stands for.

*sigh* I don’t want to be the WIFE. I want to be BATMAN!
FIRST of all Superman isn’t a hound dog, so that doesn’t make sense to say “Superman does it again”?
Annnnd Wonder Woman is not a conquest!! I think that shirt would have been better if it just said, “Score” (then it goes both ways).

Someone posted on here that it’s sad that execs think women actually want to wear this stuff. Well, my fiancé owns the BATMAN’S WIFE shirt and loves it. She owns it due to me being a huge Batfan. She didn’t look for hidden sexist agendas or anything like that. She finds it to be cute. So, believe it or not, these execs know what they’re doing. And if I find a TRAINING TO BE CATWOMAN/WONDER WOMAN’S HUSBAND shirt, I’ll buy it. But I guarantee that no one online would complain about that one.

Talmidge Mcgulliger

September 30, 2014 at 1:17 pm

I don’t how he “does it again,” considering Superman’s only other girls he’s been with are most likely Lois and a mermaid and it doesn’t look like either of those things even happened in the new 52.

That’s pretty funny, but yes I’m out raged! This is worst than Mighty Maid… (see Action Comics # 260)

Continuity police

September 30, 2014 at 3:28 pm

Forgetting the pro or anti women argument for a second, the first shirt sucks because that kind of thought is out of character for Superman in general and he comes off as douchey.

Oh, come on. These are sexist in the ridiculous 7th grade way, so no surprises there. The dead give away for the second one is the “girly” font for “wife”. Had they stuck with same font for the whole thing, you wouldn’t feel like you had the tone-backflip there at the end. It’s an ugly, tacky princess-y typeface that just stinks. And yes, pink is not accidental. The first one is just lame because Kal doesn’t think of Diana as a g.d. “score” because he’s never been rendered as a friggin’ moron. Bruce seems attracted to other sociopaths, so not sure anyone has to care about that shirt anyway.

Oh, and just to be annoying: these characters aren’t real people. They are intellectual property/concepts (ownership always in contest, of course) that whomever the owner is at the time can do with whatever they da*n well please. Fans don’t have to like it, and we can all scream at the owners until they change direction. Who else remembers shuddering when the “electric nightmare” costumes arrive on the scene in the 90s? Terrifying. Scarring. We were left stunned and confused. And then they went away. And yes, Kal’s outfit has changed over time because, you know, time tends to move forward. I’ve lodged several complaints with management about that irksome problem.

Really? These shirts aren’t sexist, and the Score! Shirt is meant for boys, Like I would love to be Batman’s wife I mean, Batwoman can’t since she’s a lesbian.

I like that my comment that pointed out that this is a matter pertaining to WB Consumer Products, not DC, was deleted. Can’t have any facts derail the outrage machine around this dump.

Isn’t it a tad hypocritical to be outraged at people being outraged?

Wait what’s wrong with training to be Talia… Other than the fact she is kind of dead right now

> “The latter would be perfectly acceptable if it had only stopped before that final word; the assumption that the goal of any woman’s training would be to become someone’s wife is antiquated at best.”

Here we see that it is not the traditional moralists who are taking women’s choices about how to live their lives away and degrading women who make choices they don’t like. The modern feminists are the ones doing that.

> “These shirts are problematic because they presume that women need men — either to save them or to marry them”

Horror of horrors: the idea that people need each other! Here we see that it is not the Right which promotes an individualistic callous disregard for others: it is the Left which is doing that.

Just because “YOU” deem it offensive doesn’t make you right! My wife loved the “Training to be Batman’s Wife” and said it was awesome because we are collectors and and love The Batman and as for the Superman “Scores” Tee, Those of us who knows WW she would not let that kiss pass those Amazonian lips without a whomp to the recipient even if was Superman. Nuff Said

First thing I thought when I saw the Superman
shirt was “Nice, where I can get one?” Though after reading all your comments I think most of you make good point’s about the message it conveys.

Though to think this shirt objectifys women so much that they need to pull it seems kind of overkill to me.
Also, if I saw a women wearing Training To Be Batmans Wife I would find that awesome. Mostly because she’s probably a Batman fan.

The reason I have lost interest in wanting to find it somehow online was after reading the comment left by O. “Superman is the ultimate boy scout-”
From the non Superman fans I’ve spoken to I usually hear “He’s such a boring character” and “Batman is way cooler because he’s a detective and he actually knows how to fight”.

O, thanks for explaining what makes Superman so Super.

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