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		<title>DC relaunch scorecard: DCnU or DC No?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although it seems like DC&#8217;s big relaunch announcement came out an eternity ago, it actually took the publisher less than two weeks to roll out the 52 titles and their creative teams for the big relaunch/reboot/overhaul coming in September. Now that the cats are out of their respective bags, I thought I&#8217;d see where various [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_80871" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 209px"><a href="http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/green-lantern1-dave-johnson.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-80871" title="green lantern1-dave johnson" src="http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/green-lantern1-dave-johnson-199x300.jpg" alt="" width="199" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Green Lantern #1, by Dave Johnson</p></div>
<p>Although it seems like DC&#8217;s <a href="http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&amp;id=32563">big relaunch announcement</a> came out an eternity ago, it actually took the publisher less than two weeks to roll out <a href="http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&amp;id=32748">the 52 titles</a> and their creative teams for the big relaunch/reboot/overhaul coming in September. Now that the cats are out of their respective bags, I thought I&#8217;d see where various creators and characters will land after the reboot.</p>
<p>So I went back through <a href="http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&amp;id=32351">DC&#8217;s August solicitations</a> to see who was writing or drawing what, and tried to map everyone to their post-relaunch project &#8212; if they had one. However, looking at DC&#8217;s August solicitations, there seem to be several fill-in issues, so where appropriate I tried to map the most recent ongoing creative teams to their new projects (for instance, I consider Gail Simone and Jesus Saiz the regular creative team for <em>Birds of Prey</em>, even if they aren&#8217;t doing the last two issues before September hits). Keep in mind that I just went through the ongoing series and skipped over all the miniseries &#8230; of which there are a lot, what with <em>Flashpoint</em> winding up in August.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also worth noting that although several creators didn&#8217;t appear in the &#8220;big 52&#8243; announcements, that doesn&#8217;t mean their tenure with DC is necessarily over &#8212; some, like Frazer Irving, have said they have future projects that haven&#8217;t been announced. So I tried to note where creators have talked publicly about their post-relaunch plans with DC (or lack thereof, as the case may be). The same could probably be said for some of DC&#8217;s characters as well. Or, as <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/GailSimone/status/79353617424973824">Gail Simone said on Twitter</a>: &#8220;Again, September is NOT THE END. There&#8217;s still plans for characters that we haven&#8217;t seen yet.&#8221;</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s get to it &#8230;.</p>
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<p><strong>Green Lantern titles</strong>: There is no <em>Green Lantern</em> title in August. July&#8217;s issue, #67, wraps up &#8220;War of the Green Lanterns&#8221; and is by Geoff Johns, Doug Mahnke and Christiam Almy &#8212; the same guys working on <em>Green Lantern</em> #1. <em>Green Lantern Corps</em> #63<em> </em> is by Tony Bedard and Tyler Kirkham, while <em>Green Lantern: Emerald Warriors </em>#13 is by Peter J. Tomasi and Fernando Pasarin. The latter creative team takes over <em>Green Lantern Corps</em> in September, while the former moves to <em>Green Lantern: New Guardians</em>. As Sean Collins <a href="http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2011/06/dc-d-day-plus-7-what-we-know-and-dont-about-the-dc-relaunch-right-now/">pointed out</a> last week, not a lot of change here in terms of creative teams, although the GL books do have a new sister book in the previously announced <em>Red Lanterns</em> title by Peter Milligan and Ed Benes.</p>
<p><em><strong>Booster Gold</strong></em>: Looks like issue #47 is the last one, which ties into <em>Flashpoint</em>. Dan Jurgens is writing <em>Justice League International </em>#1, starring Booster Gold, with artist Aaron Lopresti. And Jurgens is drawing the J.T. Krul-written <em>Green Arrow</em>.</p>
<p><em><strong>Justice League of America</strong></em>: The book will drop &#8220;of America&#8221; from the title in September, as Geoff Johns and Jim Lee take over the series from James Robinson and &#8230; I guess the last regular artist was Brett Booth? Booth moves to <em>Teen Titans</em>, while James Robinson doesn&#8217;t appear anywhere on the big list of 52 titles. Which is &#8230; odd.</p>
<p>Between this, <em>GL</em> and <em>Aquaman</em> (with artist Ivan Reis), DC Chief Creative Officer Johns is tied with <em>Teen Titans/Red Hood and the Outlaws/Superboy</em> scribe Scott Lobdell for writing the most titles for DC come September.</p>
<div id="attachment_81717" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 210px"><a href="http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/superman11.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-81717" title="superman1" src="http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/superman11-200x300.jpg" alt="" width="200" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Superman: The Man of Tomorrow #1</p></div>
<p><strong>Superman titles</strong>: Lots of changes here &#8230; Paul Cornell and Kenneth Rocafort wrap up the &#8220;Reign of the Doomsdays&#8221; storyline in <em>Action Comics</em> in September. Cornell moves on to <em>Stormwatch</em> and <em>Demon Knights</em>, while Rocafort moves to <em>Red Hood and the Outlaws</em>. The book&#8217;s previous artist, Pete Woods, is on <em>Legion Lost</em>. Meanwhile, Grant Morrison and Rags Morales take over <em>Action Comics</em>.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Grounded&#8221; storyline in Superman ends with August&#8217;s issue #714, by J. Michael Straczynski, Chris Roberson, Allan Goldman and Eber Ferreira. Straczynski&#8217;s not tapped to write any of the September titles, which isn&#8217;t surprising, based on the fact that he <a href="http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&amp;id=29341">stepped away from monthly comics</a> to work on the sequel to <em>Superman: Earth One</em> &#8212; another question entirely. In any event, the man they brought on to finish up &#8220;Grounded,&#8221; Roberson, isn&#8217;t on the list either. Roberson <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/chris_roberson/status/78203203807756288">tweeted last week</a>, &#8220;I&#8217;ve laid off alcohol &amp; nicotine after <em>Heroes</em>, but I&#8217;m treating myself to a cigarette and beer, marking the end of my brief stay in the DCU.&#8221; He&#8217;s still writing <em>iZombie</em> for Vertigo. Goldman also isn&#8217;t on the list, while the book&#8217;s regular artist, Eddy Barrows, moves to <em>Nightwing</em>. George Pérez and Jesus Merino relaunch the the book in September as <em>Superman: The Man of Tomorrow</em>.</p>
<p>Two issues of <em>Superboy</em> arrive in August, by Jeff Lemire and a trio of artists. Lemire moves on from the title and will be writing <em>Frankenstein</em> and <em>Animal Man</em> in September, while Lobdell takes over writing <em>Superboy</em> with artist R.B. Silva. Artist Pier Gallo doesn&#8217;t appear to be doing anything for DC in September.</p>
<p><em>Supergirl</em>&#8216;s final creative team before the reboot, Kelly Sue DeConnick and Chriscross, aren&#8217;t working on any of the September books, although DeConnick did note that <a href="http://kellysue.com/2011/06/10/quick-note-re-dc-reboot/">she was approached to pitch to them</a>.</p>
<p>Most recently <em>Superman/Batman</em> has featured the work of Cullen Bunn and Chriscross, neither of whom appears on the big list o&#8217; 52, with Joshua Hale Fialkov&#8217;s three-parter appearing in the final issues this summer. Fialkov will be writing <em>I, Vampire</em> in September.</p>
<p><strong>The Bat-titles</strong>: <em>Batman Incorporated</em> goes on hiatus after August, but DC has announced that it will be back as a maxi-series next year. Morrison, as noted above, goes to <em>Action Comics</em>. The Bat titles themselves stay fairly consistent &#8212; Tony Daniel will continue to write and draw one of them as he moves from <em>Batman</em> to <em>Detective Comics</em>; writer Scott Snyder moves from <em>Detective Comics</em> to work with former <em>Spawn</em> artist Greg Capullo on <em>Batman</em>; and David Finch will continue to write <em>Batman: The Dark Knight</em> (a series he once drew as well) for artist Jay Fabok, who is slated to take over art chores with July&#8217;s pre-relaunch-resolicited issue #4. The only creators from those books pre-relaunch who don&#8217;t appear on the big list of 52 books are Jock and Francesco Francavilla, although Jock <a href="http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2011/06/jock-unveils-joker-pin-up-for-upcoming-detective-comics-cover/">is apparently still doing Batman-related covers</a>, while Francavilla <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/comic-riffs/post/dc-writer-scott-snyder-calls-the-new-swamp-thing-a-labor-of-love/2011/06/07/AGcEuyLH_blog.html">will do &#8220;special fill-ins&#8221;</a> for Snyder&#8217;s other writing project, <em>Swamp Thing</em>. Daniel has another project as well &#8212; <em>The Savage Hawkman</em>, with artist Phillip Tan.</p>
<div id="attachment_81719" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 207px"><a href="http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/batmanrobin1.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-81719" title="batmanrobin1" src="http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/batmanrobin1-197x300.jpg" alt="" width="197" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Batman &amp; Robin</p></div>
<p>Tomasi is also listed as the writer for <em>Batman &amp; Robin</em>, a book he was announced as the regular writer for after Morrison left. However, since then the book has actually been written by several folks, including Judd Winick, David Hine and Cornell. Hine&#8217;s name doesn&#8217;t appear on the relaunch list. Winick and artist Guillem March, who worked together on <em>B&amp;R</em>, will team up on <em>Catwoman</em> in September. Winick is also writing <em>Batwing</em> with Ben Oliver on art.</p>
<p>The last few issues of <em>Batgirl</em> have been by Bryan Q. Miller and Dustin Nguyen, while Pere Pérez is the artist for the last three issues before the relaunch. None of them are listed as creators on the 52 titles in September. In responding to a question on Twitter, <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/bryanQmiller/status/78962291340607488">Bryan Q. Miller said</a>: &#8220;RT Anything new on the horizon for you at DC? @TreyKrimsin Maybe &#8211; but nothing in any way immediate.&#8221; The new <em>Batgirl</em> creative team is Gail Simone, Ardian Syaf and Vicente Cifuentes, with Barbara Gordon stepping back into the costume.</p>
<p><em>Red Robin</em> ends in August with an issue that has Tim going after his dad&#8217;s killer, Captain Boomerang, since CB is back from the dead. Writer Fabian Niceiza is working on <em>Legion Lost</em> in September. The artist for the last arc, Marcus To, isn&#8217;t doing anything in September, while the book&#8217;s previous artist, Freddie Williams, is working on <em>Captain Atom</em> with Krul. Red Robin will appear in <em>Teen Titans</em> come September.</p>
<p>The characters from <em>Gotham City Sirens</em> &#8212; Catwoman, Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn &#8212; seem to have scattered into the wind; Catwoman has her own book in September, while Poison Ivy appears to be in <em>Birds of Prey</em> and Harley Quinn is heading to the <em>Suicide Squad</em>. Creators Peter Calloway and Andres Guinaldo aren&#8217;t on any books in September.</p>
<div id="attachment_81721" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 207px"><a href="http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/birdsofprey.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-81721" title="birdsofprey" src="http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/birdsofprey-197x300.jpg" alt="" width="197" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Birds of Prey #1</p></div>
<p>And speaking of <em>Birds of Prey</em>, Simone&#8217;s last issue is #13, as the July and August installments are by writer Marc Andreyko and Billy Tucci &#8212; neither of whom is working on September&#8217;s books. Simone will move on to <em>Batgirl</em>, as noted above, as well as <em>Firestorm</em>, which she&#8217;s co-writing with Ethan Van Sciver. Jesus Saiz, who took a break from the book after issue #13, returns to <em>BoP</em> for the relaunch in September.</p>
<p>So what happens to <em>Batman Beyond</em>? Honestly, I&#8217;m not sure. It isn&#8217;t listed as one of the 52 titles, but <a href="http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&amp;id=32685">CBR&#8217;s interview with Adam Beechen last week</a> seemed to indicate the book isn&#8217;t going away:</p>
<blockquote><p>I do know what our next arc is going to be, but I can&#8217;t talk about it yet. I&#8217;m in the process of plotting it out, and I even know what the next arc after that will be as well as our next &#8220;Legends of the Dark Knight&#8221; issue. We&#8217;re in a pretty good place about what&#8217;s ahead of us, and if all goes according to plan, we&#8217;re pretty well set for the next bit of time. And we&#8217;re going to keep the team intact as long as we can and keep trying to crank out good stuff.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s worth noting that there&#8217;s also a <em>Superman Beyond</em> #0 in August; it&#8217;s listed as a one-shot, but c&#8217;mon, a zero issue in August? How can there not be a first issue in its future?</p>
<p><strong><em>Wonder Woman</em></strong>: The somewhat-controversial &#8220;Odyssey&#8221; arc, which put Wonder Woman in pants, wraps up in August by Straczynski, Phil Hester, Don Kramer and Wayne Faucher. None of these four is listed as a creator on any of September&#8217;s books. <em>Wonder Woman #1</em> will be by <em>Doctor 13: Architecture &amp; Morality</em> collaborators Brian Azzarello and Cliff Chiang.</p>
<p>Hester was brought onto the book at the same time Roberson came onto <em>Superman</em>, when Straczynski decided to step away from monthly comics. And while neither of them appears to be doing anything in September, Hester said on Twitter that &#8220;<a href="http://twitter.com/#!/philhester/status/78882700978692096">there are a lot of moving parts here,</a>&#8221; and &#8220;<a href="http://twitter.com/#!/philhester/status/78956983859949568">So much in motion right now, but it is appreciated</a>&#8221; when fans asked about his involvement, or lack thereof.</p>
<p><em><strong>Adventure Comics</strong></em> and <em><strong>Legion of Super-Heroes</strong></em>: Paul Levitz will continue to chronicle the tales of the Legion, while Fabian Nicieza will write a <em>Legion Lost</em> series. <em>Adventure</em> appears to be gone. As for <em>Adventure</em> artist Phil Jimenez, a DC-exclusive creator, he <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/Philjimeneznyc/status/78926987195990016" target="_blank">tweeted</a>, &#8220;Hey, comic readers &#8212; thanks for all the inquiries! I&#8217;m not a part of the big DCU relaunch, but I&#8217;ve got a few cool tricks up my sleeve!&#8221; followed by &#8220;Fun stuff! Hopefully announced by SDCC!&#8221; And artist Yildiray Cinar is working on the previously mentioned <em>Firestorm</em> book, as Francis Portela takes over <em>Legion of Super-Heroes</em>.</p>
<div id="attachment_81726" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 206px"><a href="http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/allstarwestern.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-81726" title="allstarwestern" src="http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/allstarwestern-196x300.jpg" alt="" width="196" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">All-Star Western</p></div>
<p><em><strong>Jonah Hex</strong></em>: Jimmy Palmiotti and Justin Grey will continue to tell the tales of the ugliest bounty hunter in the west in <em>All-Star Western</em>. They&#8217;re joined by artist Moritat.</p>
<p><em><strong>Green Arrow</strong></em>: J.T. Krul will continue to write Green Arrow, joined by artist Dan Jurgens. Artist Diogenes Neves moves to <em>Demon Knights</em>, written by Cornell.</p>
<p><strong><em>Secret Six</em></strong>: Simone <a href="http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2011/06/gail-simone-confirms-that-secret-six-will-end-with-issue-36/">has confirmed</a> that issue #36 is indeed the last, as the characters Deadshot and King Shark move on to the new <em>Suicide Squad</em> book. Artist J. Calafiore is not listed as working on any of the 52 titles.</p>
<p><em><strong>Zatanna</strong></em>: According to <a href="http://kingofbreakfast.livejournal.com/104392.html">Paul Dini on his LiveJournal</a>: &#8220;A few folks have asked me about the future of the Zatanna book at DC. I don&#8217;t know what plans DC has for it after this August, though I can confirm my last issue is the current one, #13.&#8221; Issue #13 came out in May. Solicitations for issues <a href="http://www.dccomics.com/dcu/comics/?cm=18411">#14</a> and <a href="http://www.dccomics.com/dcu/comics/?cm=18997">#15</a> list Dini as the writer, while Beechen is listed as the writer for August&#8217;s <a href="http://www.dccomics.com/dcu/comics/?cm=19666">issue #16</a>. So &#8230; I&#8217;m not sure what that means.</p>
<p>Responding to a question about the relaunch, <em>Zatanna</em> artist <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/JAMALIGLE/status/78924084964106241">Jamal Igle</a> tweeted, &#8220;I wasn&#8217;t invited to participate.&#8221; The character will appear in <em>Justice League Dark</em>.</p>
<p><em><strong>Justice Society</strong></em> and <em><strong>Power Girl</strong></em>: I guess this explains why the description for the new <em>Mister Terrific</em> title didn&#8217;t reference the Justice Society. Apparently issue #54, by Marc Guggenheim and Jerry Ordway, will be the last. Neither Guggenheim nor Ordway was listed as working on any of the 52 titles, although artist Tom Derenick, who drew the recent issues #51-53, will team with Ivan Brandon on <em>Sgt. Rock and the Men of War</em>.</p>
<p><em>Power Girl</em>, meanwhile, ends with August&#8217;s #27 by Matthew Sturges and Hendry Prasetya, neither of whom is listed as working on any of the 52 titles. The series&#8217; previous writer, Winick, is working on <em>Batwing</em> and <em>Catwoman</em>, as noted above, while artist Sami Basri is working on <em>Voodoo</em> with Ron Marz.</p>
<p>Honestly, I was half-expecting a round of Justice Society titles to be announced at some point &#8212; <em>Justice Society</em>, <em>Power Girl</em>, maybe <em>Star Girl</em> or <em>Starman</em>. Maybe they&#8217;ll be tapped as mid-season replacements? On the other hand,<a href="http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/06/10/history-happens-now/"> the description of the Morrison/Morales <em>Action Comics</em> relaunch offered by DC&#8217;s The Source blog</a> &#8212; &#8220;This momentous first issue will set in motion the history of the DC Universe as Superman defends a world that doesn’t trust their first Super Hero&#8221; &#8212; would appear to preclude the existence of a team full of World War II-era heroes that predates Superman&#8217;s generation.</p>
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<p><strong><em>Teen Titans</em></strong> and <strong><em>Titans</em></strong>: <em>Teen Titans</em> writer J.T. Krul is penning two books come September, <em>Captain Atom</em> and <em>Green Arrow</em>. But I&#8217;m not seeing Nicola Scott or Doug Hazlewood on anything, though. That can&#8217;t be right; someone at DC get on that, stat.</p>
<p><em>Titans</em> writer Eric Wallace is working on <em>Mister Terrific</em>; Fabrizio Fiorentino isn&#8217;t on anything. Deathstroke gets his own title in September, while Arsenal will join Red Hood and Starfire in <em>Red Hood and the Outlaws</em>.</p>
<p><strong><em>T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents</em></strong>: I was kind of wondering about the long-term future of this one even before the reboot. Which is too bad, as it&#8217;s also one I really enjoyed. Writer Nick Spencer is exclusive to Marvel now, so his name wouldn&#8217;t be on any other DC book, while the regular art team of Cafu and BIT will work on <em>Grifter</em>. Recent issues have featured art by Mike Grell and Nick Dragotta, who aren&#8217;t listed on any of September&#8217;s books.</p>
<p><strong><em>Xombi</em></strong>: With John Rozum working on the new <em>Static Shock</em> series, I would have assumed that was it for <em>Xombi</em>. But someone asked about it on his blog, and <a href="http://johnrozum.blogspot.com/2011/06/dc-comics-announces-my-new-project-for.html?showComment=1307593238551#c1496433171915282999">he responded</a>: &#8220;&#8230; I still can&#8217;t comment one way or another. Check back periodically, but in the meantime, please take a few minutes to write a letter to the powers that be at DC about what you think about <em>Xombi</em> and send it to them via snail mail. It has an impact. It&#8217;s what led to the current run of <em>Xombi</em> in the first place.&#8221;</p>
<p>At the very least, maybe they&#8217;d let Rozum and artist Frazer Irving wrap up the series in the new anthology title. Speaking of Irving, <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/frazerirving/statuses/79196209377579008">he tweeted</a>: &#8220;For all interested parties, I do have a post-relaunch DC gig but it&#8217;s a secret at the mo <img src='http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  And <em>Gutsville</em> still needs finishing&#8230;&#8221; More <em>Gutsville</em> is a plus for sure.</p>
<p><strong><em>Flash</em></strong>: <em>Flash</em>&#8216;s current run ended in May with issue #12 by Johns and Francis Manapul. The title will return in September sans Johns and with Manapul and Brian Buccellato sharing art and writing duties.</p>
<p>So there you have it, DC&#8217;s September books through the filter of their previous line-ups &#8230; and I still didn&#8217;t hit every single book that&#8217;ll come out in September. And based on some of the comments from various creators about additional projects beyond the 52, now I&#8217;d just really like to see what DC&#8217;s October looks like &#8230;</p>
<p>In the meantime, what September books are you going to get? <a href="http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&amp;id=32751">Head over to CBR and take the survey!</a></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although I wrote quite a lot over the past year about DC&#8217;s weekly series Trinity, I kept coming up with questions that went outside the scope of my weekly notes. Fortunately, writer Kurt Busiek was nice enough to participate in the following e-mail interview, conducted after Trinity concluded (and after he returned from a well- [...]]]></description>
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<p>Although I<a href="http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/tag/trinity-annotations/" target="_blank"> wrote quite a lot over the past year about DC&#8217;s weekly series <em>Trinity</em></a>, I kept coming up with questions that went outside the scope of my weekly notes. Fortunately, writer Kurt Busiek was nice enough to participate in the following e-mail interview, conducted after <em>Trinity </em>concluded (and after he returned from a well- deserved vacation).</p>
<p>We discussed the nuts and bolts of producing <em>Trinity</em>, its connections to a couple of Busiek&#8217;s other DC projects, a few nitpicky items, and what the year-long series leaves behind.</p>
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<strong>TCB: </strong>How did the weekly format affect your approach? Did you feel obliged to pace the book so as to satisfy both the weekly audience and the &#8220;wait-for-traders?&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>kdb: </strong>I always feel obligated to make a project satisfying in whatever formats it&#8217;s planned for. So yes, we wanted each individual issue to be an enjoyable read, and we wanted each trade paperback volume to be an enjoyable read. Which was a little tricky, since we didn&#8217;t know, going into it, whether it would be collected as 4 TPBs (meaning the volumes would end at #13, 26, 39, and 52) or 3 TPBs (meaning #17, #34 or 35, and #52).*</p>
<p>That said, we were aware that with a weekly schedule, it&#8217;s only 7 days to the next chapter, so if one week is light on action (or virtually all action), that would likely be balanced out by the next installment. Or maybe even by the story in the co-feature.</p>
<p><strong>TCB: </strong>What sorts of decisions went into breaking the series into individual two-story issues? Were there any labor considerations, for example to give the artists time to rest up for the next crowd scene? Did you and Fabian Nicieza write particular second stories for particular art teams?</p>
<p><strong>kdb: </strong>We did try to juggle things for the strengths of the various co-feature artists, yes. But we had flexibility there, because we had enough lead time so that we didn&#8217;t have to have them in strict rotation. If we needed two chapters in a row from Scott [McDaniel], for instance, we&#8217;d just have to make sure we were plotted far enough ahead that while he was working on chapter one of two, Tom [Derenick] and Mike [Norton] had their own chapters to work on. As a result, the co-feature chapters didn&#8217;t come in in order, but we had enough time that we didn&#8217;t need them to; we could juggle talent and material and match them up right.</p>
<p>As a rough rule of thumb, we started out giving Scott spooky stuff or crime stuff, Tom big superhero action and Mike &#8220;people&#8221; stories, but varied that around as we got more of a sense of what they could do. Tom turned out to be very good at space stuff, for instance, and Scott far better at &#8220;cosmic/trippy&#8221; stuff than anyone might have imagined, possibly even him. By the end of it, we were making sure he got the psychedelic stuff, because we knew he&#8217;d knock it out of the park, while at the start we were thinking of him for shadows and mood&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>TCB: </strong>Especially considering the artists&#8217; deadline pressures, I thought <em>Trinity</em>&#8216;s art was consistently good. Among other things, I feel like I&#8217;ve been to Thayer&#8217;s Notch now that I&#8217;ve seen it drawn by Mark Bagley and Art Thibert; and I was very impressed by Scott McDaniel and Andy Owens&#8217; psychedelic Worldsoul/Krona story. Not that you had low expectations for the art, but were there any scenes or sequences which looked better than you&#8217;d written them?</p>
<p><strong>kdb: </strong>I agree with you on the art being consistently good &#8212; credit the artists, of course, but also credit Mike Carlin, for lining up such a good squad of guys and making sure to manage their schedules right.</p>
<p>As for which scenes looked better than I imagined, I&#8217;m tempted to say &#8220;All of them.&#8221; Getting pages in was a treat, because everyone found ways to go a little further, make it a bit bigger, or funnier, or more affecting. From giant battles to big mystery to chapters like that great Norton/Kesel chapter about the Riddler, which was just perfectly paced, it was a pleasure all the way through.</p>
<p><strong>TCB: </strong>Mike Carlin edited most of <em>Countdown</em>, and worked on the &#8220;weekly&#8221; Superman titles of the &#8217;90s. Was he more helpful with regard to the logistics of the book or the creative aspects?</p>
<p><strong>kdb: </strong>Mike weighed in on the big-picture stuff, going over the outlines, the big ideas and so on, but when it came to the chapter-by-chapter stuff, Fabian and I had a pretty good sense of how to play it out, and Mike rarely asked for changes. So I&#8217;d say that after the big story decisions had been made, he was very supportive creatively, and had to be the scheduling logistics taskmaster more often than anything else. And his experience juggling a large creative team helped out a lot.</p>
<p><strong>TCB: </strong>What was it like collaborating with Fabian? How much input did he have into those scripts, and/or the book&#8217;s overall direction?</p>
<p><strong>kdb: </strong>Fabian was insanely helpful. On the one hand, Fabian and I have worked together in a lot of different situations, going back to when he was a promotions manager at Marvel and I was a sales manager. We get along, we have a similar enough sensibility that we can pretty easily pull in the same direction, and he&#8217;s an inventive and professional writer. One of the reasons Mike didn&#8217;t need to involve himself all that much in the chapter-by-chapter plotting was that we pretty much had it covered &#8212; Fabian was kind of an extra story editor, where I could call him up and bounce ideas off him, and get feedback and suggestions from someone deeply involved in the story, who wasn&#8217;t pulled in a million directions at once by other emergencies.</p>
<p>At the same time, Fabian brought tons of creativity and no ego to the process &#8212; he knew going in that I&#8217;d be basically driving the bus, and his job was to help. I probably trampled all over his stuff dozens of times, replotting co-features, tweaking the dialogue so much that at points it amounted to rewriting rather than co-writing &#8212; but it was all in the service of keeping the two pieces of the issue together and working at speed; it&#8217;s simply easier, sometimes, to rewrite rather than talk all the details through.</p>
<p>So in the end, the credits are a bit misleading. Fabian&#8217;s name doesn&#8217;t appear on the lead chapters, but he was essentially a contributing writer on those, a sounding board, a suggestion guy and more. And my name is only listed as co-plotter on the co-features, but I had a lot more input than that. It was very organic &#8212; we were on the phone a lot and figured things out together. So I was driving the bus, but Fabian was co-pilot, or something. He had a number of very good suggestions, pushing me to think harder about Gangbuster and Enigma and others, and making sure I didn&#8217;t set something up and then let it fade away when it should play a larger role. He&#8217;s had a lot more experience with gang-written books than I do, so he saw pitfalls and structural issues sooner than I did, and kept us from falling prey to them.</p>
<p>And then I&#8217;d rewrite all his stuff; what an ingrate!</p>
<p><strong>TCB: </strong>Appropriately enough, <em>Trinity </em>itself seems to be the third part of a trilogy, wrapping up storylines from <em>JLA/Avengers </em>and <em>JLA</em>&#8216;s &#8220;Syndicate Rules.&#8221; How much of what became <em>Trinity </em>did you have in mind when you were writing the earlier stories?</p>
<p><strong>kdb: </strong>Almost none of it. We put Krona in the Egg at the end of <em>JLA/Avengers </em>because it seemed like a good place to leave him, somewhere that could lead to something rich, but we hadn&#8217;t figured out what, yet. And then in &#8220;Syndicate Rules,&#8221; we didn&#8217;t do a lot with the Egg itself, but built up ideas like the Void Hound, or the CSA&#8217;s favor- bank rules, knowing that they&#8217;d be paid off later, but again, not precisely how. So it&#8217;s more a case of putting things into places that feel like a satisfying resolution for the moment, but have a built-in springboard for further explanation. It&#8217;s more about knowing that there&#8217;s stuff you can do that&#8217;ll work than knowing exactly what stuff that&#8217;ll be.</p>
<p><strong>TCB: </strong>Apart from simply being shorter, do you think <em>Trinity </em>would have been significantly different as, say, an arc in <em>Superman </em>or <em>JLA</em>?</p>
<p><strong>kdb: </strong>Oh, it&#8217;d have to be. Keep in mind that the JLA doesn&#8217;t turn up until #3, and then is erased from reality for the middle third of the story. If it was a <em>JLA </em>story, we&#8217;d have gotten tons of complaints from people who thought we were using JLA as a vehicle to ram the Trinity down everyone&#8217;s throats, at the expense of the rest of the League, and then that we weren&#8217;t even letting the League be part of their own book. So it&#8217;d have had to have been a much, much different story.</p>
<p>Same for if it was in <em>Superman </em>&#8211; it&#8217;s not a straight Superman story; it&#8217;s a story that has Superman as one of the main characters. So to build it more fully around him would change a lot. It doesn&#8217;t really fit any existing DC book &#8212; to properly describe it, it&#8217;s either a book about the Trinity, with a whole bunch of guest stars, or a book about the DCU Universe, with a special focus on the Trinity. So if you don&#8217;t call it <em>Trinity</em>, you need to call it <em>DCU </em>or <em>DC Nation </em>or something like that. (It was originally pitched, by the way, as &#8220;<em>DC Superstars:  Starring Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman&#8230;.and The DC Universe!</em>&#8221; Which would have fit pretty well, as it worked out.)</p>
<p><strong>TCB: </strong>It seemed to me that <em>Trinity </em>shared some of its story structure, at least superficially, with <em>JLA/Avengers</em>. Both stories begin with a quest to gather certain powerful items, which are then used to create an alternate timeline. Although the two stories have their differences, are the similarities just coincidental?</p>
<p><strong>kdb: </strong>I think they&#8217;re coincidence. The quest-for-power-objects part of <em>JLA/Avengers </em>was there to help make it a travelogue/showcase of the two universes, an excuse to have a lot of fun locations for the fights. In <em>Trinity</em>, it was the villains going after power-objects, and that was to set up the building mystery of the Tarot connections and the personal items that were used in the Trinity spell.</p>
<p><strong>TCB: </strong>Another <em>JLA/Avengers </em>question. In <em>JLA/Avengers</em>, I got the feeling you were lamenting the heroes&#8217; various personal tragedies, and saying that no matter how appealing it looked, the combined DC/ Marvel timeline was just a pipe dream. Here, though, the experience of the deified Trinitarians suggests that the characters&#8217; tragedies are inevitable, and perhaps even necessary. What do these stories say about the usefulness of these events?</p>
<p><strong>kdb: </strong>In <em>JLA/Avengers</em>, the &#8220;tragedies&#8221; you&#8217;re referring to were things like the Scarlet Witch losing her children, or Hal and Barry being dead &#8212; I&#8217;d call that the kind of upheaval and calamity that happened to the heroes over the course of their careers, but which they had to accept as their burden to bear to restore the world to what they should be. In <em>Trinity</em>, you mean the legends, with the death of Robin and the Max Lord thing and such, right? I don&#8217;t know that we&#8217;re saying those are necessary, merely that they were big events that sent the heroes off into directions that isolated them, and they had to overcome those and reconnect with their true missions, rather than obsessing about personal failures.</p>
<p><strong>TCB: </strong>Apart from those tragedies, how important generally was it to tell a story about these particular versions of the characters? Was it simply a case of using what had been established and/or what was current? Could you have gotten the same points across with more &#8220;timeless&#8221; versions?</p>
<p><strong>kdb: </strong>I think they were reasonably timeless versions. We didn&#8217;t dwell all that hard on minor details &#8212; we used recent history in the legend stuff, but we used it in the process of illustrating who the characters are at their core. In another era, with different histories, those legends would have been different, but I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;d have found ways to say what we needed to say.</p>
<p><strong>TCB: </strong>Were there any characters who, for whatever reason, didn&#8217;t make the final cut? (Personally, I was a little surprised not to see the &#8220;Sword of Atlantis&#8221; Aquaman.)</p>
<p><strong>kdb: </strong>DC didn&#8217;t seem to know what they were going to do with Aquaman, so even though I created that version, I didn&#8217;t want to force him into the story. The big loss, to my mind, was Metron &#8212; we&#8217;d set up that Metron was interested in what would happen to the Cosmic Egg, and then couldn&#8217;t use him as we saw it play out because the New Gods were off-limits due to <em>Final Crisis</em>.</p>
<p>And we couldn&#8217;t use Madame Xanadu, because of her Vertigo series, but that meant that Charity got to play a role, which spun the story a bit differently, and that was fun.</p>
<p>Overall, though, we got to use most everyone we wanted to.</p>
<p><strong>TCB: </strong>Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are each inspired by their parents in very different ways. However, <em>Trinity </em>didn&#8217;t really concern itself with those differences. Why not?</p>
<p><strong>kdb: </strong>It didn&#8217;t really come up. We could have made that another aspect of their trinitarianity, if that&#8217;s even a word &#8212; Superman was raised by loving parents, Batman&#8217;s an orphan, Wonder Woman had a single Mom; Superman&#8217;s adopted, Batman&#8217;s a natural son, Wonder Woman was created&#8230;but after a while adding more details starts to feel like you&#8217;re just piling them on, not going deeper into the characters.</p>
<p>There certainly stuff there to explore, and maybe someone will do a story about it. But we had enough going on that we didn&#8217;t need to add that in, too.</p>
<p><strong>TCB: </strong>Here are a couple of really nit-picky questions about the altered timeline. First, why did Hal Jordan become Sky-Knight if John Stewart was still Green Lantern? I take it Hal quit because he couldn&#8217;t operate as GL on Earth, leaving John to be the GL of Sector 2814 everywhere but Earth. Also, why did Interceptor wear those goggles?</p>
<p><strong>kdb: </strong>Interceptor&#8217;s visor has hi-tech sensors in it &#8212; it allowed her military bosses to observe what she saw; to see and hear what she did. Part of her being an agent of the government rather than a solo act. Hal Jordan quit being Green Lantern at some point and then built a new identity to keep being a hero, and John became our sector&#8217;s GL. Neither of these really came up, but like you say, it&#8217;s nit-picky.  Given the way comics work, we could see either character again and learn more about them, I suppose. I really got to like Interceptor, and would love to see Supergirl meet her, in a compare/contrast story. Each one would think the other&#8217;s life was unbearable; it could be a lot of fun.</p>
<p><strong>TCB: </strong>He only popped up briefly here, so where might we see Khyber again?</p>
<p><strong>kdb: </strong>Anywhere! He&#8217;s out there, but he&#8217;s very secretive, so he could pop up anywhere, or stay under the radar for years. He could make a good JLA villain, or get involved with some espionage/intrigue characters, or whatever. We hinted at him in &#8220;Syndicate Rules,&#8221; by the way, when I was planning him as a JLA villain. But I don&#8217;t think anyone noticed.</p>
<p><strong>TCB: </strong>The Tarot plays a pretty significant part in the story, especially early on. I imagine that is the kind of thing you want to get right, because you&#8217;ll probably have some readers who will know if you got it wrong. Did you have to do a lot of research before you felt comfortable with it? Did you consult any experts?</p>
<p><strong>kdb: </strong>Fabian and I got a number of reference books, and used those &#8212; I sort of delegated much of that to him, because, well, I was juggling so much stuff I didn&#8217;t have the time to be more than cursory about it, and he was willing&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>TCB: </strong><em>Trinity </em>works in a lot of Clark&#8217;s co-workers from his pre-<em>Crisis </em>days as a TV anchorman. That seemed to me to indicate a fondness for the Cary Bates/Elliott Maggin/Curt Swan era of Superman. Apart from your own work on the Trinitarians, and the ways they&#8217;re being handled currently, to whom do you look for inspiration for each of these characters?</p>
<p><strong>kdb: </strong>Everyone. I&#8217;m not looking to recreate any particular era, and my Superman, for instance, is informed by what Weisinger and his crew did, what Julie [Schwartz]&#8216;s creative staff did, what Byrne and Stern and Jurgens and Ordway and others did&#8230;.  I like the Bronze Age Superman a lot, especially the Cary Bates issues, but when I write Superman it&#8217;s a synthesis of all the stuff I like about Superman over the years. I don&#8217;t try to hit particular notes, I simply have a sense of who the character is from reading all those comics, and that guy in my head is the guy I try to get on paper. Same for Batman and Wonder Woman &#8230; I&#8217;m a big fan of Englehart&#8217;s Batman, for instance, but I&#8217;m not specifically trying to capture that, it&#8217;s just one piece of the mosaic that makes up Batman to me. Wonder Woman&#8217;s history is a lot more fragmented, so I suppose I&#8217;m more guided by the stuff from what George [Perez] did to what Gail [Simone] is doing today, but there&#8217;s certainly parts of the Bronze and Silver Age Wonder Woman in there, stuff that resonates with me and feels appropriate to who she is today.</p>
<p><strong>TCB: </strong>Any immediate plans for <em>Trinity</em>&#8216;s supporting cast, including Konvikt, Tarot and Gangbuster, Enigma and Stephie/Void Hound, and Tomorrow Woman?</p>
<p><strong>kdb: </strong>I can&#8217;t say, at present. I hope we&#8217;ll see a lot of them &#8212; including the Dreambound &#8212; but if there are plans I&#8217;m not at liberty to announce them, and if there aren&#8217;t I&#8217;m too sneaky to admit it.</p>
<p><strong>TCB: </strong>Finally, can you share what&#8217;s next for the new Earth-Trinity? Should we call it &#8220;Earth One,&#8221; or was that just a wink to fans of the old Multiverse?</p>
<p><strong>kdb: </strong>&#8220;Earth One&#8221; was a deliberate choice, and done in part at DC&#8217;s request. There&#8217;s definitely more than a wink going on there.</p>
<p>But again, I can&#8217;t say, at present, what it&#8217;s leading to&#8230;</p>
<p>kdb</p>
<p>+++++++++</p>
<p>* [It turned out to be 3 volumes, with vol. 2 covering issues #18-35 -- TCB]</p>
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